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So, I'm relatively new to Android and trying to decide which phone to buy. I first joined the scene with the HP touchpad. Now I want a phone and wonder if the HD2 is a good buy.
I like what ive seen so far- esp. dual boot wp7/android
I dont like all the complaints about freezing, overheating, screen issues etc.
I need something that is receiving a lot of developer support.
For the past decade and a half i've been a Nokia/symbian guy. Now I'm getting a bit bored with my N900.
Appreciate your opinions. Price is a major factor- i cant buy a 2011 phone right now. Being a late 2009 phone, the HD2's price has dropped and is right in my range (from what I'm seeing on ebay).
i love my hd2. i would prefer android instead of wm7
joyjoy_nbg said:
i love my hd2. i would prefer android instead of wm7
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agreed. i love this phone too. this phone is monster os.
Worthed every penny..
You won't get any overheating, freezing etc unless there is something wrong with the phone itself or you did something wrong.
The hd2 does have a lot of developer support, it can run latest android builds, wp7 and ICS. Stable for ics should not be too far away.
Obviously this phone will be left behind in terms of speed when more and more dual core phones are coming out.
But if you are looking for something that can run all major types of software well, this is the phone for you.
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You won't get any overheating, freezing etc unless there is something wrong with the phone itself or you did something wrong.
The hd2 does have a lot of developer support, it can run latest android builds, wp7 and ICS. Stable for ics should not be too far away.
Obviously this phone will be left behind in terms of speed when more and more dual core phones are coming out.
But if you are looking for something that can run all major types of software well, this is the phone for you.
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Yup, thats exactly what im looking for. Ive pretty much decided i'll be getting one... ebay and Craigslist prices are right in my range. But how do I know I won't be buying a defective unit, even if I buy a new one? Just luck I guess?
For ebay: You're just gonna have to take the sellers word, also watch if returns are accepted in case something does turn out to be wrong.
Craigslist: prices should be cheaper here and you can check if there is anything with the phone etc.
So the general consensus is that an hd2 with a touchscreen that freezes can be fixed by changing the digitizer?
I've seen a ton of Android users bashing "iSheep" over the years for their undying loyalty and "sheepism" (if there is such a word) for the way that they foam at the mouth for every new Apple product that gets released. It seems that no matter what the reviews or competing products show them, they run out and buy that new iProduct as soon as it hits the shelves.
I've started to wonder if us Nexus fans aren't exactly the same.. here we have a brand new Nexus 4 coming out, and let's be honest most of the reviews are not on the positive side. I've seen the numerous justifications about how the test phones weren't running the most "optimized" software, how the reviewer(s) were Apple fan boys, how the final product won't be anything like the test phones..
However, when I started recounting my experiences with the Nexus brand, I have to say I think we are putting our blinders on due to the excitement of having a new Nexus with decent specs. Case point:
When I decided to buy the Galaxy Nexus I was extremely excited to finally get my hands on the "Pure Android Experience". Coming from the Galaxy SII, I had some high expectations of what I top notch smart phone should be - but I also had high hopes given the Gnex specs. When the day my Gnex arrived, I couldn't get the box open fast enough! Then low and behold - the phone was DOA. Wouldn't even power on, nothing. No long press, multiple press, extended charging, nada. Quickly called Google and was sent a replacement two days later.
When the replacement arrived, it powered up just fine (thank God..) and I began getting it all set up. Almost immediately I noticed it didn't seem as responsive as my Galaxy SII. The touch screen lacked the sensitivity of the SII, but I thought to myself, I can deal with that - hey, it's a Nexus! The colors seems a bit off to me, but I thought "it's probably just the auto-brightness". It was only after setting the phone up completely that I noticed the urine-colored whites and the muted colors. I thought to myself, "well, everyone says the Galaxy SII is over saturated anyway.." although I wasn't too convinced. It just didn't seem to have the "WOW" factor the SII had. Still, I carried on - after all.. it's a Nexus!
Three weeks later and I'm starting to get pissy about the Gnex. Reception just wasn't as good, seemed to run things slightly slower than my SII, DL speeds were slower than my SII, the touch screen responsiveness (or lack thereof) had simply become annoying. That coupled with the so-so screen quality and everything started to get to me. Dissatisfaction was growing at this point..
Finally I couldn't take it anymore. Sold my Gnex on XDA for $350 shipped and guess what? The very next day it drops to $350 in the Play Store. Felt really bad for the guy who bought mine, but since I keep my phones pristine I'm sure he was OK with it. Plus he saved tax + shipping.
So I immediately went out and bought the Galaxy SIII on release day. OH. MY. GOD. I had my phone back. It was like the SII only bigger. Better. Faster. Touch screen responsiveness and screen was simply amazing. Everything flew on this phone, no matter what I threw at it. Fell in love with Android all over again.
Three weeks ago I went and bought the Nexus 7. I thought, surely the reports of the QC issues are slightly exaggerated since XDA is such a small portion of the consumer population.. they're just a little more anal, a little more OCD about their devices (at least this is what I am reading by the members aggressively defending the Nexus 7). I'm sure it will be fine!
My first Nexus 7 has such bad light bleed I immediately returned it. Bad luck, I thought. I'm sure this isn't the norm. After all, I didn't have any screen lift.. right? My 2nd Nexus 7 - Ahh, perfection. No light bleed, no screen lift, everything looks great. Well, except for the slightly washed out colors and over saturated whites. But hey, it's LCD so what do I expect right? Besides... it's a Nexus!
Sure enough, here I am three weeks later, and the same light bleed in the lower left corner has manifested, along with a slight screen lift on the upper left hand side. I haven't removed the back to check for missing screws yet, but I am sure I will find it is the same as others have reported.. I won't be returning this one as I have decided to live with it even though it aggravates me every time I see it.
So here I am at the impasse.. I have the Galaxy SIII, which is what I consider the best phone on the market (besides perhaps the Note 2) running CM10 Jellybean 4.1.2 flawlessly.. and yet the Nexus name is calling to me again.
WHY IN THE WORLD should I expect things to be different this time? Why would I choose to ignore the reviews and believe other Nexus fan boys who say it's the "test phones" and software that is "not optimized", and that it's not the "final product"?
There's only ONE reason I can think of. Because I am a God damn Google fanatic that keeps ignoring reality in the hopes that everyone is wrong and this will be the best Android phone ever. But we all know that it won't... don't we?
I'm giving Google one last chance to impress the hell outta me. After this, if things turn out like they have in the past, I'm sorry to say it but... I will be a Samsung fan from now on. Yes, they did make the Gnex.. and it was inferior.. but honestly it's probably because they were putting everything into their Galaxy S line to steal the show, which IMO they have done quite successfully.
Don't let me down Google. Make me a Nexus believer again.
Anyone agree with me?
TL;DR, lol.
Nexus 4 will be made by Samsung. Should've called it the SGS4.
I disagree.
SGS2 owner.
locsplitter said:
Nexus 4 will be made by Samsung. Should've called it the SGS4.
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Uh... OK.
The Nexus 4 is made by LG. Not Samsung.
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Thats a lot of writing man, my eyes hurt
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TL;DR, lol.
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This.
Some things can't be properly conveyed in a short paragraph.
Not that I expected any actual responses in a Nexus forum.
I'm not saying that I'm not all in on the Nexus 4.. just saying I don't hold high hopes that it will be everything Google claims..
I read it and here's my take on the Nexus 4.
I may not be as technical as most people on XDA, but I try to read up as much as I can. I think what makes MOST (not all) Android users different from MOST (not all) iPhone users is that we actually take the time to research a product before be buy it. They buy their products because it says "Apple" on the box. We have countless different devices to choose from. We HAVE to do the research before we buy. This isn't just about buying a Nexus, this is about buying a new Android phone and having to choose between what's currently on the market.
For me, I'm over my current phone (T-Mobile G2x) and want to get a new one, but I'm still on contract. I don't make enough money to drop $600+ on a new phone. Hell, even if I did make enough money, I wouldn't be comfortable dropping that much money on a phone. Buying a phone from Google means I can buy a nice phone at an affordable price without forcing me to extend a contract that I never wanted to be on in the first place (I originally only switched from Virgin Mobile to T-Mobile because I wanted a better phone at a decent price and signing a contract used to be the only way to do that). My original plan was actually to buy the Galaxy Nexus to hold me over until my upgrade was available and then, from there, decide if I wanted to stick with Android or try out Windows Phone 8.
Then the Nexus 4 was announced and for the same exact price as the Galaxy Nexus. It's a better phone, at a better price.
Like I said, I may not be as technical as the rest of you, but what I see is a phone that is equivalent to each heavy hitter currently on the market (Galaxy SIII, One X, iPhone 5, the various upcoming offerings from Windows Phone 8). The only difference is that this phone is half the price of all of those. That's what I see when I look at the Nexus 4. I see an affordable upgrade for my current phone that is cheaper to every other comparable phone on the market and that's why I'm going to buy it (after consumer reviews of course, but it's almost certain that I will be ordering this phone before the month is over).
Now, the thing I do not understand is why people with the above mentioned phones would seriously consider this. Yes, it's a Nexus. Yes, it will get updates faster. But why should that all matter? All of us here on XDA are probably running rooted phones and we've all probably flashed multiple ROMs. My G2x is currently running Jellybean 4.1. It may not be 4.2, but I'm sure a clever dev will make it happen at some point. If not my phone, all of the above mentioned phones (minus the iPhone and Windows Phone 8 obviously) will get it at some point. Our vanilla Android experience isn't going to be vanilla for too long out of the box.
Maybe it's because I'm not made of money, but I wouldn't be able to justify dropping another $350 if I already had a $600+ phone. I don't buy into brands (part of the reason why I refuse to use Apple products). I'm happy to be a future owner of a Nexus phone, but I'm not buying it because it's Nexus (although that is nice). I'm buying it because it's cheap and, to my untrained eyes, more or less equal to the best phones on the market.
To each their own. To me, Nexus 4. All there is to it
I agree. I am buying the nexus 4 strictly for these reasons:
1) I need a new phone, currently using Samsung captivate on aokp jb milestone 1.
2) don't want to spend an arm and a leg for a new phone
3) want a phone that will be supported with software updates immediately
4) Want a phone that has great specs so that it can support future software updates down the road
I am not expecting this phone to be a savior. As the old saying goes, if it seems too good to be true it usually is. To buy the most powerful "best" phone and only pay 359$ for it brand new? That seems too good to be true IMO. I just need a huge upgrade from my captivate and the nexus is more than that.
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Obagleyfreer said:
The Nexus 4 is made by LG. Not Samsung.
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Not according to this retailer. http://www.popularelect.com/LG-Nexus-4-Unlocked-Smartphone-p/Nexus4.htm?gclid=CKm_ksGpu7MCFcaDQgodClkAow
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I can see your point though I don't agree with some of your reasoning. At times there are levels of excitement that are disproportionate to reality, but I don't think this is representative of the majority of users.
As for the "negative reviews" take a look at the screenshots that show kernel and baseband versions - on at least three of the sites they are different versions. It is highly likely that software improvements will address these issues. The fact that many of the reviews did not make note that the software on their review device is a pre-release version is either disingenuous or ignorant. Making note of this as a consumer does not denote fanboyism.
All products will have build quality issues, this is just how things are. I returned my first Galaxy S2 because of problems with the screen and my first Nexus 7 as well. I know people who have had problems with iPhones and other Android devices which required RMA. Does that mean that an LG product will now have flaws because it has Google branding on it? Hardly. There probably will be issues and we'll hear all the whining and moaning, we wait and see.
tl;dr - it's just a phone, people need to chill the **** out. Only time will tell if it's a great phone or not.
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I can see your point though I don't agree with some of your reasoning. At times there are levels of excitement that are disproportionate to reality, but I don't think this is representative of the majority of users.
As for the "negative reviews" take a look at the screenshots that show kernel and baseband versions - on at least three of the sites they are different versions. It is highly likely that software improvements will address these issues. The fact that many of the reviews did not make note that the software on their review device is a pre-release version is either disingenuous or ignorant. Making note of this as a consumer does not denote fanboyism.
All products will have build quality issues, this is just how things are. I returned my first Galaxy S2 because of problems with the screen and my first Nexus 7 as well. I know people who have had problems with iPhones and other Android devices which required RMA. Does that mean that an LG product will now have flaws because it has Google branding on it? Hardly. There probably will be issues and we'll hear all the whining and moaning, we wait and see.
tl;dr - it's just a phone, people need to chill the **** out. Only time will tell if it's a great phone or not.
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Why, when other phones are reviewed, are they not on some sort of "pre-release" software?
I don't remember reading reviews of other high end Android phones and seeing people say they were "misleading" or that the "software wasn't optimized"
I mean c'mon, all of the sudden reviews are completely bogus and software isn't up to par?
I don't care of they were running GB, the phone either flies or it doesn't.
OP, I'm really glad you made this thread. I've never had a Nexus and I also am over my current device (myTouch 4G) and chomping at the bit to get a new one. I had no idea there were that many problems with either the gnex or the N7. This worries me. I have some thinking to do...
Also, have a thanks.
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Why, when other phones are reviewed, are they not on some sort of "pre-release" software?
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If the software is not released or finished, then they are by definition running 'pre-release' software.
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I don't remember reading reviews of other high end Android phones and seeing people say they were "misleading" or that the "software wasn't optimized"
I mean c'mon, all of the sudden reviews are completely bogus and software isn't up to par?
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I never said the reviews were completely bogus, in fact I mentioned how it was obvious that there was different software on at least three review devices and that It is highly likely that software improvements will address the issues. Note - I am acknowledging that there are issues
Again, it's just a phone. If you are concerned it wont meet your expectations wait until it's been out for a while to see what happens; some people will love it, others will call it a flop.
Other top phones (SIII, etc.) aren't reviewed with pre-release software because they use an established version of Android, aka SIII shipping with ICS, whereas the Nexus 4 is shipping with a brand new version of Android, 4.2, which has not been as widely tested and established, and which Google is probably still working on. If 4.2 were completely ready today, the Nexus 4 would probably be released today, rather than the 13th.
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To me it is a matter of price. I'm stuck with Xperia mini, and I want to upgrade. At the same time the Nexus 4 is released, and it is insanely cheap, at least from foreign countries like Germany (which use the same power plug as Sweden). The price is what makes this phone so very interesting, if it weren't for that there would have been a lot of other phones in question. In Sweden the Nexus 4 isn't something out of the ordinary, when you can buy a Galaxy S3 for about the same price. But if I import this phone from Germany, I save about 150 euros, that is why I'm very interested.
The fact that it is a Nexus is positive, but not the main factor. I've read some bad reviews, but for this price, it isn't a dealbreaker. The same criticism at swedish prices would be a dealbreaker however.
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I need a new phone, I have always preferred vanilla android, and I've had two nexus phones before my current non-nexus phone.
I am ready to be back on a nexus phone, between the quick updates, and being free from a contract, the nexus 4 is extremely enticing, AND at an amazing pricepoint.
I agree with the OP on many counts. Even though I myself have had no problems with my GNex and felt that it was THE most beautiful phone I have owned (maybe second to the LG Prada), the whites were jaundiced and sickly looking. And even though kernels like Trinity fixed it to a certain extent, Google needs to realize one thing - the phone needs to be working without problems out of the box. I think what is happening is an over dependency on devs and a complacency thinking that people will overlook glitches in nexus devices because, hey! after all this is android. The devs can fix everything, right?!
A trend I am seeing with the N4 is that no matter what the issue is, many people go, 'well its just 350, so its ok'! No its not! Its not like we asked Google to make an inexpensive device, so they were compelled and thus had to resort to faulty and low quality hardware to cut costs. The price was their decision. I as a consumer want my phone problem free - $350 or $650
That said, I hope as much as the next guy that the problems so far are indeed related to pre-release firmwares and kernels. But then, it was absolutely ridiculous and insane of Google to send those devices for review. Might as well have no reviews than have tons of negative ones. Sure, people here on XDA are 'techy' enough to know that the test firmware is not final and most of the issues might be wrinkled out by release date. But a common man sees the review and goes 'oh crap! i don't want a headache, lemme just get something that everyone says works i.e. iPhone'.
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He makes some valid points, especially on the price. In summary, he argues that the price isn't outrageous for a number of reasons:
- The specs of this phone are insane and can justify a higher price tag
- The premium build on this phone is unlike any of the previous Nexus devices
- Companies such as Apple and Samsung sell phones that are even more expensive. Nexus 6 is actually a bit cheaper than it's competitors.
- The Nexus 6 is Google's step on becoming mainstream and more premium feeling Stock Android experience
What do you guys think?
All this is true. I think main reason people are pissed is because this is like a complete switch over tight. Go from 4" phones that are 350 to 6" phones that are 1.2x the previous price with no in between ya know? Such as a smaller device with slim down spec and cheaper price. It is true that compare to others it is cheap...but let not forget, lg g3 is cheaper and it gives us just about everything the n6 (32gb) offers (almost) so google really had no excuse
Yeah, I can understand that. Big changes aren't always welcome.
The LG G3 is a great phone but the Nexus 6 has (slightly) newer specs. Of course, this probably won't be noticable at all.
Also, the Nexus 6 has a better design in my opinion even if I loved the G3's design.
Google is just trying something new.
The jump from the Galaxy Nexus to the N4 was just as precipitous, just in the opposite direction. IIRC, the GN was something like $600 when it was released. The VZW on-contract price was $300. It was not cheap at all.
I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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Just saying, the fast charging isn't something that costs a lot to implement. Its been there since the LG G2 even the nexus 5 has the hardware but it hasn't been activated for use. Even the new moto x has turbo charging, its part of the 800,801,805 chips.
mgbotoe said:
I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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I think it just has become an expectation from the Nexus series since the N4 started the whole price reduction thing. Just like No SD Card Support or Removable Battery once something adheres from one generation to the next people assume it will remain that way for Nexus.
As for me, it cannot come out soon enough!
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Dear All,
Yes, the price of the device is not Nexus 5 territory anymore. Google listened to your requests:
1. Larger battery -> Complied.
2. Better speakers. ->Complied.
3. Android 5.0 -> Complied.
4. More screen on time -> Complied.
5. Premium feel -> Complied.
What more can you ask from Google. They met our requests but also added a new direction that they feel will be of best interests for their business model. They are clearly moving towards more mainstream this time as 4 carriers will carry the phone right from the start. Samsung can't have all the fun with the phablet segment so Google and Apple wants a piece of the pie. Apple won't argue with money since Samsung took so many sales from them with the Note series. Google did leave us Nexus owners a bad taste in our mouth since we were use to the bargain price for a well rounded phone. Now, they want to move in another direction. They did keep the N5 active for people waiting for the N6 if they are thinking of upgrading from N4 or other devices. The N5 is the answer if you want a more "one hand friendly" phone and the N5 is a great phone. With the Lollipop soon to be on the phone, it will even get better with battery life and the overall experience.
Finally, if the N6 is right for you... hand over $649 / $699 to Google and enjoy your monster N6. If the N6 doesn't float your boat, the N5 is a great phone (current owner of N5 too) to fill your needs or wait till early spring/summer 2015 for 64-bit flagships to appear in a smaller footprint.
I think I will get Nexus on Verizon. And try it for a year if I don't like it, more 64 bit phones will be out which will present more options. I'm betting that the nexus will have better support a year or two when comparing it to Touchwiz.
My note 2 is starting to feel a bit slow.
Ill admit. I was floored when I saw the price but when you think about it, its not overpriced at all. Im pretty much sold on picking one up and upgrading from my N4. Only thing that would deter me is if reviews are utterly terrible, and something tells me thats not happening
I honestly don't believe they are canning the n5... Kind of like apple having the 6 and 6+
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He makes some valid points, especially on the price. In summary, he argues that the price isn't outrageous for a number of reasons:
- The specs of this phone are insane and can justify a higher price tag
- The premium build on this phone is unlike any of the previous Nexus devices
- Companies such as Apple and Samsung sell phones that are even more expensive. Nexus 6 is actually a bit cheaper than it's competitors.
- The Nexus 6 is Google's step on becoming mainstream and more premium feeling Stock Android experience
What do you guys think?
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I think it's a tablet. I think that Google and other companies are forgetting that these are phones. It's a ridiculously big phone, and I doubt it's not going to go mainstream. Phone makers need to remember these are portable devices, they keep getting bigger and bigger and are officially in tablet territory now.
Price was never the issue for me. For once it has quite good specs without skimping on stuff but the phone itself is MASSIVE. If I buy one I'll have to buy new clothes.
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I think it's a tablet. I think that Google and other companies are forgetting that these are phones. It's a ridiculously big phone, and I doubt it's not going to go mainstream. Phone makers need to remember these are portable devices, they keep getting bigger and bigger and are officially in tablet territory now.
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I think you're forgetting that every year people complain that phones are getting too big, and yet people continue to buy them happily. Even Apple has seen enough evidence to release Android-sized phones so you know it's obvious if they're changing their plan, stubborn as they are. As mentioned in the video, the Nexus 6 is the same height as the iPhone 6 plus and doesn't appear to be much larger than the Note 4...so don't let the screen-size alone determine your beliefs.
Do you think for one second that if Google is able to achieve sales similar to those of the Samsung Note series that they'll be disappointed? Clearly there is a market for this size phone and it's continuing to grow as people realize bigger is better with phones, despite the drawbacks. That's not to say it's for everyone, so you can continue to choose from one of the many options available at a size/price you prefer.
I wonder what the on contract price will be
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i think considering the s10 x64 processors will be out and be a standard in the s6 and m9 ..etc the n6 isn't worth the price tag.
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djkinetic said:
I honestly don't believe they are canning the n5... Kind of like apple having the 6 and 6+
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well obviously the rumor of them revamping it with higher specs were wrong.
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I think you're forgetting that every year people complain that phones are getting too big, and yet people continue to buy them happily. Even Apple has seen enough evidence to release Android-sized phones so you know it's obvious if they're changing their plan, stubborn as they are. As mentioned in the video, the Nexus 6 is the same height as the iPhone 6 plus and doesn't appear to be much larger than the Note 4...so don't let the screen-size alone determine your beliefs.
Do you think for one second that if Google is able to achieve sales similar to those of the Samsung Note series that they'll be disappointed? Clearly there is a market for this size phone and it's continuing to grow as people realize bigger is better with phones, despite the drawbacks. That's not to say it's for everyone, so you can continue to choose from one of the many options available at a size/price you prefer.
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Google is never going to encroach on Samsung. Ever. It's futile to try and Nexus devices have never sold well. Bigger is better, until you pass 5.5" or so. When does it stop? 7" phone? 7.5" phone screen? How big do people really need their phone? I can be equally productive on a nexus 5 as I can a nexus 6. Period.
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Price was never the issue for me. For once it has quite good specs without skimping on stuff but the phone itself is MASSIVE. If I buy one I'll have to buy new clothes.
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I've seen this argument quite a few times now, where exactly did previous Nexus phones "skimp". It seems to be something people are using to justify the high price despite for the past two years everyone saying the nexus was a high end phone for half the price...
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i think considering the s10 x64 processors will be out and be a standard in the s6 and m9 ..etc the n6 isn't worth the price tag.
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I think by the time 64 bit actually matters in phones I will have moved on to the next Nexus, so it's not an issue for me. Like most tech people (I think), I'm not the type of person who keeps the same phone for more than a year or two max.
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Google is never going to encroach on Samsung. Ever. It's futile to try and Nexus devices have never sold well. Bigger is better, until you pass 5.5" or so. When does it stop? 7" phone? 7.5" phone screen? How big do people really need their phone? I can be equally productive on a nexus 5 as I can a nexus 6. Period.
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Google will certainly make a dent considering they are selling this Nexus via all US carriers for the first time...so it doesn't really matter what they did in the past, this is a new era. They definitely won't make a huge dent, but it has a chance to be meaningful.
How can you possibly argue that "bigger is better until you pass 5.5" or so". That's not some magical number that has any real meaning...it's simply your brain deciding that you've had enough, despite the fact that you've never used the Nexus 6. A million people said the same thing when phones moved to 4.7"...then they said it again at 5.0"...then they said it again at 5.2"...they said it about the Note when it came out...and now they're saying the same thing about the Nexus 6...they've been wrong every single time and I see no reason to believe that suddenly this is it.
I think we're probably pushing the limit of how big you want a smartphone, but that's EXACTLY what I want to happen. I want the biggest damn phone that isn't "too big". We won't know what "too big" is until we get there, but I don't believe the Note 4 was too big and we know that the Nexus 6 is not that much bigger..much of the half inch screen size difference is made up for by smaller bezels, which is also something I want to see continue to happen.
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I think by the time 64 bit actually matters in phones I will have moved on to the next Nexus, so it's not an issue for me. Like most tech people (I think), I'm not the type of person who keeps the same phone for more than a year or two max.
Google will certainly make a dent considering they are selling this Nexus via all US carriers for the first time...so it doesn't really matter what they did in the past, this is a new era. They definitely won't make a huge dent, but it has a chance to be meaningful.
How can you possibly argue that "bigger is better until you pass 5.5" or so". That's not some magical number that has any real meaning...it's simply your brain deciding that you've had enough, despite the fact that you've never used the Nexus 6. A million people said the same thing when phones moved to 4.7"...then they said it again at 5.0"...then they said it again at 5.2"...they said it about the Note when it came out...and now they're saying the same thing about the Nexus 6...they've been wrong every single time and I see no reason to believe that suddenly this is it.
I think we're probably pushing the limit of how big you want a smartphone, but that's EXACTLY what I want to happen. I want the biggest damn phone that isn't "too big". We won't know what "too big" is until we get there, but I don't believe the Note 4 was too big and we know that the Nexus 6 is not that much bigger..much of the half inch screen size difference is made up for by smaller bezels, which is also something I want to see continue to happen.
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Ridiculous. Here's a nice little study you can do at home. Go pick up your Nexus 7 and hold it to your face, or try and put it in your pocket. Think about carrying that thing with you all day long as a phone. There are plenty of examples of what "too big" is, we're there now. You may want your tablet to be a phone, but most professionals need something portable, and easy to carry, that isn't going to require being kept in a backpack. 5.5" phones like the LG G3 are actually still small enough to be considered a phone, I've held the iPhone 6+, trust me, we're there, phones are now too big.
There was a time when having a big phone was cool. I remember years ago when I got my first big phone, the Dell Streak 5, I was the big man on campus at work, it was the same way with my Note 2, people use to marvel at big phones, it was worth the uncomfortable feel in your hands.
But now everyone has a big phone even Apple, and big phones are no longer as cool as they use to be. Now for me its coming down to the hardware and features, in which the Nexus 6 lacks cool features. I want something more unique and smaller in my hands (big phones are no longer worth the uncomfortable feeling in my hand). So I'm thinking about selling my Nexus 6 for around $500 and putting it towards another phone, I'm looking at the S6 Edge, it fits in one hand and has unique features that make me feel good about myself, maybe I'm insecure and need the attention Planning to unlock my phone so I can sell it for more.
Thoughts?
simple amswer for you.. do whatever you like, its your life and your decision. it effects me in no way.
My thoughts are, you should have posted this in here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3077130
Instead of creating a thread.
500 though?
Check swappa
Ask for others thoughts here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/google-nexus-6-t3077130
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This is only a question and dicussion I want to bring up, this is not about anything else, and truly not about disrespecting anyone, but just asking why is development slow... Please don't be offended, it was not my intentions by asking these things, just trying to figure why a nice phone doesn't have more people working on it is all..
I have my own ideas, maybe these are the reasons.
1. Smaller Company - but the Geeks know who Andy Rubin is
2. See number 1, with Andy Rubin at the wheel, where are the Android enthusiasts supporting the project?
3. Ok company has had a bad start, lots of bad reviews, mostly over the camera
So a smaller company, and the newbie phone users are all chasing after the bigger well known names, but again, what's happening here with the Android Geeks?
Anyhow, small company, bad reviews, started out costly, now prices are down. So where's the Android love for one of the Founders?
Agreed. But I guess we have 2 more years (till 2020, I guess) of support from essential side. I own Xiaomi Mi5 and Essential Ph1. Quite a lot of difference in development. SD820 has started to show signs of aging and 3GB ram is not holding up well. Will hold on to Essential for next few years. Hope development kicks in. Although happy with stock rom and android p beta program.
Not a bad phone at all. for 500 dollars. Not much into camera. Overall a great phone. Dunno why there was so much negativity around this phone.
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@Rahat34, I sometimes wonder if there was just a lot of propaganda posting going on against the Essential. It was strange all the negativity as you mention, and to be honest, we all know all phones out there get their share of it, but for some reason, I really wondered when it came to this phone, now this was all without even owning this phone, I just thought it was odd. By the way, they just went on sale for half off, I ordered a few at $249USD...
But looks like the sale is over.
@Tech_Savvy, so is there any work going on with TWRP at the moment, that there should be something working soon?
As far as ROMS are concerned, there's a lot of Android users in the world, so saying how many we need, well, that's anyone's guess.
The AospExtended, this is a really nice ROM I'd like to see for the Essential.
Also if my eyes are seeing correct, I didn't notice Franco or Void with Kernels for the phone.
Then there's microG, any ROMs supporting it good?
I wonder, if Xposed is working good on Esssential with Oreo, stock or custom?
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@Rahat34, I sometimes wonder if there was just a lot of propaganda posting going on against the Essential. It was strange all the negativity as you mention, and to be honest, we all know all phones out there get their share of it, but for some reason, I really wondered when it came to this phone, now this was all without even owning this phone, I just thought it was odd. By the way, they just went on sale for half off, I ordered a few at $249USD...
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Even for $500, gettiing a SD835, unlockable bootloader, titanium-ceramic build,a nice lcd panel (and what not) was a steal. $250, its nuts . Here, we get 625 schip at this much price and crappy glassy phones.
Must have been some sort of propaganda/conspiracy. Every phone has drawbacks, But boy every youtube review was bashing this phone.
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Even for $500, gettiing a SD835, unlockable bootloader, titanium-ceramic build,a nice lcd panel (and what not) was a steal. $250, its nuts . Here, we get 625 schip at this much price and crappy glassy phones.
Must have been some sort of propaganda/conspiracy. Every phone has drawbacks, But boy every youtube review was bashing this phone.
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Yes it's a low price I paid...
Depends what you're after really. If you want a few solid roms, or a hundred half baked bug ridden roms. I've done the "huge" forums before where I had to wade through twenty roms in order to find one that functioned decently. I'm past my days of needing to flash a new rom on a daily basis though. Work and kids keep me from having the time to do that anymore even if I wanted to.
I"ll take a solid dependable phone with support from the manufacturer any day.
I'll add as well, there are quite a few roms that are simply not posted on these forums (validus, gzosp, etc).
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I'll add as well, there are quite a few roms that are simply not posted on these forums (validus, gzosp, etc).
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Ive heard to go to discord but ive found nothing. Where should i go to find them?
Sure no one wants half baked, but there should be twice the amount of development going on that is at present.
Anyhow, I would hope that everyone agrees there is not a lot of development going on.
So, what do people think on this forum about an email drafted up, and the Modding Community reaching out to Essential, in hopes of building up it's modding development?
just got the phone from prime day sale plus extra $100 off from AMEX, paid around $170 total. I have to say, I am pleasantly surprised by the build quality, it makes my LG V30 feels like a toy. Reception problem with AT&T is real though I would actually see zero reception driving around my neighborhood in upstate NY which never happens in any other phones I have.
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just got the phone from prime day sale plus extra $100 off from AMEX, paid around $170 total. I have to say, I am pleasantly surprised by the build quality, it makes my LG V30 feels like a toy. Reception problem with AT&T is real though I would actually see zero reception driving around my neighborhood in upstate NY which never happens in any other phones I have.
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@oceansoul, sorry, not sure what you mean by your post for development?
Thanks
you asked for why there is so little development for the phone, maybe because of the reception issue, not many people are using it? at the same spot I am getting -112dBm for PH-1 and -83dBm for Lg V30 on ATT LTE band 2
It really doesn't sound like you'll be happy with this phone, I'm sure someone will take it off your hands.
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toxic much? you asked for why there is so little development for the phone, maybe because of the reception issue, not many people are using it? at the same spot I am getting -112dBm for PH-1 and -83dBm for Lg V30 on ATT LTE band 2
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toxic much, what does that mean?