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The devices are similar enough, maybe a Desire/Eris dev can take a look to find a root.
developer.htc.com
CDMA Hero users are getting ready to see our world turned upside down. Soo much is getting ready to happen, hope to see you get root soon!
Will the Sprint Hero kernel be the same as the one for our phone?
I can confirm that the CDMA Hero source makes reference to our device specific flag (CONFIG_MACH_DESIREC) in a couple different places (all in arch/arm/mach-msm/). It is worth noting that almost all the same references were found in the original Hero source. The only thing that has been added for our architecture alone was an isCDMA flag in what appears to be USB descriptor.
That said, I don't believe this is exactly our source. Based on hardware release timelines, I would expect to see ours within the next 1-2 months.
EDIT: Following up, I would expect to see our source contain files like: arch/arm/mach-msm/board-desirec-xxxxx.c
As currently these device-specific files (board-heroc-xxxx.c) are explicitly built in the Makefile by the CDMA Hero specific switch (CONFIG_MACH_HEROC).
pinksocker69 said:
I can confirm that the CDMA Hero source makes reference to our device specific flag (CONFIG_MACH_DESIREC) in a couple different places (all in arch/arm/mach-msm/). It is worth noting that almost all the same references were found in the original Hero source. The only thing that has been added for our architecture alone was an isCDMA flag in what appears to be USB descriptor.
That said, I don't believe this is exactly our source. Based on hardware release timelines, I would expect to see ours within the next 1-2 months.
EDIT: Following up, I would expect to see our source contain files like: arch/arm/mach-msm/board-desirec-xxxxx.c
As currently these device-specific files (board-heroc-xxxx.c) are explicitly built in the Makefile by the CDMA Hero specific switch (CONFIG_MACH_HEROC).
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That may be true, but your biggest obstruction right now is unable to root the phone. It's possible that, although the phone section itself isn't exact, the rest of the kernel may be a match. If so, you may take a look for any vulnerabilities that you can use to root the phone.
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That may be true, but your biggest obstruction right now is unable to root the phone. It's possible that, although the phone section itself isn't exact, the rest of the kernel may be a match. If so, you may take a look for any vulnerabilities that you can use to root the phone.
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We know that the CDMA Hero is vulnerable to the Bluetooth socket/sendpage local root escalation, which the Eris is not vulnerable to. That alone is enough to make me bench it for now.
how would you go about finding a kernel exploit?
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how would you go about finding a kernel exploit?
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Tenacity. Deep knowledge of the linux kernel. Tracing through HTC's custom code and hoping to get lucky.
I know I'm probably not up for finding and writing my own exploit. Tracing through the VMSplice exploit was like looking at a book written in Chinese, and I don't consider myself awful at C. The bluetooth socket/sendpage bug was much more readable, but also a once-in-a-blue-moon exploit, I think. If someone else found an exploit, I think I'd be in at least an okay position to try to port and modify it to suit our needs, but that's about it.
me + linux, C, or code in general = :-( so that bubble just popped, lol, but my friend is a wiz at linux so time to send him the cdma hero source just for giggles, hey you never know
True! Just let him know that the major security holes (bluetooth/sendpage and vmsplice in particular; you'll see binaries exploiting these in the Hero forums referred to as asroot and asroot2) have already been patched for our phone. Thanks for bringing another into our fold!
Hi All,
I'm going to put this upfront, because it's more important than the FAQ. Though there names get repeated a bit in this post, a major credit goes to Koe & Appagom for providing a lot of know-how, testing, information sharing and answers to questions users have posted here. This thread wouldn't be half as valuable without them. They should probably consider getting donate links, as it's the popular thing to do around here anyways, and I'd surely give them a few 원 for some soju or their beverage/food of choice for enhancing my phone experience. If they do decide to do something like that, I'd encourage you to do the same if you've used their methods or have even delayed taking action until you saw and read about their successes, trials & tribulations before proceeding with anything risky.
Next important thing, please don't try to flash i9000 or any other SGS variant's firmware unless you are really prepared to experiment and fix your own problems.
I'm writing this because perhaps it will help us SHW-m110s users spread information and have a point of reference, perhaps even bookmark, to spread information specific to our phone. Many of our questions just get posted in the most recently replied to thread with the word "Korean" in it. Part of my goal will also be to provide an area that Korean users who speak little English will be able to post and have a discussion. I will start that process on my own and enlist help from others I know. Please feel free to contribute in any way you can in any of these areas.
With the Froyo update, I'd like to link to one of the more newsworthy and relevant development's due to increased system functionality we have at our disposal. Koe's guide on HowTo OpenVPN on the SHW-M110S (via StrongVPN and maybe others) can be found here Thanks KOE
Tested on FroYo firmware versions DI29 and SK05
Prerequisites:
rooted (I also recommend SuperUser)
busybox installed
You understand the benefits of being able to connect to a stateside OpenVPN server.
openVPN server account
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By request, other links to other guides or important topics available on XDA (or elsewhere) for the Galaxy S series if you haven't already come across them or just need a point in the right direction will be posted here. So, please let me know if you feel there is some other required reading before the test :
[REF] BIG FAQ! {Flash/Root HOWTO} {ADB&Tutorials} {T&T} {FW-Guide} [MUST READ!]
So, on with the FAQ/guide:
*please note, this is a highly work-in-progress thread and is meant to be supplemental to, not in place of, better, more refined guides featured in the I9000 board. I started to plan this about 24 hours ago but there continue to be questions asked out of place so I'm rushing this a bit
Where can I find ROM "(insert name)"?
How do I update my phone?
Can I put a ROM from the i9000 or another SGS family on this device?
What frequencies does the cellular radio operate on?
Does that make this a world phone?
What limited functionality have users experienced overseas?
How do I use Voice search in Korean?
What else is different from the I9000 and other versions of the SGS?
How do I root my phone?
Where is Samsung Apps/Samsung Apps store?
Are there any other ways to download games in Korea?
Does SK Telecom support OTA updates?
How do I work the DMB tuner?
Why aren't the Secret Codes aren't working?
Can I change the SMS character limit from 80 to 160 characters?
Can we get Social Hub on the phone?
I want the boot animation, do you have it?
This FAQ is terrible, but I have a question...
Where can I find ROM "(insert name)"?
Koe seems to have kept a good list, here.
How do I update my phone?
Download Kies 2.0 here > click on the magnifying glass to the right of "Kies" > click on the white button "Kies 다운로드" > run the file > install > important set your location (left box) to Korea (I assume this to be the default) and your language (right box) can be the language of your choosing.
Can I put a ROM from the i9000 or another SGS family on this device?
This is one of those, 'if you have to ask...stay far far away questions'. Essentially you can come in here if you want a suggestion on what ROMs we might be using at the time, but no, for the love of God don't ask about i9000 or other device ROMs. If you know how to get yourself out of a pickle you wouldn't even need to ask, and if you try and fail you'll be asking us to get you out.
Right now most users are content with z4mod, though there are some Korean ROMs that will be brought up from time to time.
What frequencies does the cellular radio operate on?
*To be updated*
Does that make this a world phone?
XDA users have reported some phone functionality in Russia and the Philippines. And know specific carriers in the US that the phone may/may not be compatible with, and if this will work for users in the EU. It seems that most people, if they have the right APN information, have gotten working this in a variety of countries though there will be at least some U.S. carriers that aren't available and potentially other non-standard frequency users. Still, if I were living in another country I'd probably only get this from a distributor who I'd be able to get a refund from if I couldn't get it working - anything else and you're doing so at your own risk.
What limited functionality have users experienced overseas?
User ulrauko has reported no data functionality on his device in Russia.
It is recommended to work with a local carrier to get APN information to enter into your settings in order to maximize phone functionality. Some users may continue to have 3G problems after this, it might be possible to check setting "data roaming" in wireless & network > Mobile networks, but it'd be wise to check with your carrier to see what happens if you end up roaming onto another carriers towers.
Users precious_mew has reported that he can't use MMS due to his carrier while chester_go has reported an inability for his phone to see his phone number requiring him to edit his phone number (to any number, not necessarily his actual number) to send SMS without any problems receiving SMS. Since then, Chester has been able to "program" his SIM by using the following method:
-Removing the SIM card
-Placing it in another phone that has the "My Number" option (I used an iPhone, heard that older Sony Ericssons work too.)
-Entering my own number in international format (+63917~) (Prior to this, "Unknown" was also shown in the iPhone.)
-Inserting the SIM back to the M110s.
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How do I use Voice search in Korean?
Voice Search can be changed in settings>voice & input>voice recognition settings>lanugage...
What else is different from the I9000 and other versions of the SGS?
For now, I assume that we have different cellular radios. Also, we have a T-DMB tuner. We were given different stock software, originally missing Swype and a few other things, since then we have received Swpye through a firmware upgrade. We do utilize different firmware for our SHW-m110s than the typical international versions.
How do I root my phone?
Appagom's Evolving, and well well-supported, Post.
Where is Samsung Apps/Samsung Apps store?
The Samsung Apps store in Korea is a subset of SK Telecom's store, I highly doubt this would be accessible overseas as I think it's SIM card dependent. There you will find a full version of Asphalt for a free download. Please note, some games, even western games such as Farm Frenzy only have Korean language menu, while Asphalt has both English and Korean. I'd also guess there is no 24 hour return policy, but any confirmation would be great, and I have to presume that charges will be added to your monthly phone bill. *As of Froyo SK has partially, and poorly, integrated part of their(?) app store into the marketplace in a separate tab called "SKT"
Are there any other ways to download games in Korea?
Being rooted will allow you to run MarketEnabler and fake a SIM code to be in one of a few countries. I don't think anyone on this thread knows the legality of such actions, so do so at your own risk.
*Note, as of Nov 15th, the Froyo update fast web installer is not functional. Will update if there is a change and I remember. Also, see Koe's guide to getting VPN working which can give you access to location restricted apps.
I hold out hope that fast web installer for AppBrain will be updated to work on the SGS, there are reports that some items such as GoogleEarth can be installed in this manner where users can't find the app in the marketplace.
There are also always "other ways" amongst them there are 3rd party sites such as slideme.org where you can find both paid and free games (some of which might not be available in the marketplace due to developer preference and/or marketplace restrictions). Slideme will work direct on the phone and you can also use it on your PC to download and sideload apps. As a matter of fact, games can be found by developers here at XDA which can be sideloaded. If you root your phone you will, hopefully, be able to use market enabler to sign as though you aren't in Korea (use wifi + airplane mode) and be able to download games directly from the marketplace. Additionally there are always the less legitimate ways.
Does SK Telecom support OTA updates?
User akbk84 reported to me in August that he did receive an OTA udpate. However, this was weeks after I had received my first, and I was perhaps on my 3rd or 4th update by then. He She (my apologies ) did, however, receive the most current update. I do not know what SK/Samsung plan going forward, perhaps just critical updates will be OTA. I personally have, and I kind of recall reading someone else might've, received an OTA camera update.
Update: In the t-store there is an app called T-Upgrade, we believe it is supposed to give OTA updates to the phone. After downloading it didn't help me get the newest FW, so I'll post further information when I hear of a success story.
How do I work the DMB tuner? The DMB tuner works best with the DMB antenna extended. Extend the DMB tuner, located on the top right of the phone above the power button.
The secret codes were changed, or removed from, or broken during, an August firmware update. For now, we will keep a running list of working secrete codes here:
TouchKey F/W Info - *#86824#
- Has an "F/W Update" Button
- Can set the "Menu" and "Back" key sensitivity
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SKT Admin menu (general settings, such as: network, system, sms, etc.)
From the dialer enter: 319712358
You will be prompted for a pasword: 774632
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thanks koe1974
Can I change the SMS character limit from 80 to 160 characters?
This seems to be a common question posed from people living outside of Korea. Handcent defaults to 160 characters before changing the message to an MMS, how this will affect your message setting and carrier costs have never been verified so please do some sort of conclusive test and update us. Within Korea, MMS/SMS have the same pricing and free allotment, so it doesn't seem to be necessary to have the 160 character difference, also I haven't heard anything about how this might affect the messages and how SKT would deal with and treat extra long SMS messages.
Can we get Social Hub on the phone?
As far as I know, no one has successfully extracted and loaded Social Hub onto our phones.
I want the boot animation, do you have it?
Yes, please go to this post for more information.
This FAQ is terrible, but I have a question...
Please ask, provide better answers, do whatever to help us improve our SHW-m110s experience.
Thanks all!
여기 한국어 faq 쓰겠습니다, 하지만 미국 사람 입니다. 그름, 한굴말 잘 못 합니다, 미안합니다.
i'm hoping the mods will create a subforum for this model, since they seem to be doing it for all the models
or instead of that, they should combine all the forums into one
no idea what their plans are, but it's really messy as it's right now
Agreed, if I wasn't busy writing this I might've actually posted a link in the Galaxy Tab forum regarding your proposal when I saw it pop up on my Google reader.
re. the unlimited data option. it is currently available. i called SKT a few days ago and changed my plan to unlimited.
steveohan said:
re. the unlimited data option. it is currently available. i called SKT a few days ago and changed my plan to unlimited.
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You are correct, this thread has paid for itself already!
i'm so envious.... USA and Korea, and many other countries already have unlimited data
but we in Canada still stuck with limited data
Ha, if I were still in the US I'd still be a bit jealous of the Korean system. U.S. buy a Galaxy S, get a gimped phone and be forced into a data plan (no FF camera, no tethering with the exception of Sprint in 4G areas). These days new contracts at the big two, AT&T and Verizon don't even get unlimited data IIRC (Verizon is implementing capped data, not sure on the timeframe)
In Korea you can buy a phone without a data plan, or a plan without a voice plan. Unlimited data plan with 200 texts and 300 minutes (I might've reversed those) is essentially less than half the price of the cheapest AT&T and Verizon plan with more than 1GB.
In summary, you can have:
contract free
no voice plan
no data plan
unlimited data on the super cheap
free tethering (not available on any carrier in the U.S. in the near future with the exception of Sprint but only on the 4G network)
Free wifi access points
Compared to Canada I pay less than 50CAD for my plan.
Also, not available on SKT, the carrier that has the SGS, but one more reason to be jealous of possibilities here...KT expands Wi-Fi coverage to all subways
I found these at an korean site.
It's used with odin to root the phone.
NOT TESTED
hope this help
link here:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...tml?id=tipn&no=80&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
i think we should link all the other relevant Korean Galaxy S question to this topic, for a quick and easy index
i'll add them here as i find them
Korean Galaxy S Missing Features and Laggy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731466
[Q] Updating a Korean Galaxy S on a Mac
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=766310
Anycall Galaxy S?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761040
Anycall Galaxy S?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761095
Korea Figures
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=758447
Official firmware DG07 pushed out in Korea via Kies
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=725407
Android 2.2 coming to Galaxy S. Starting with the Korean version.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723713
[Q] m110s EDGE problem
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=774508
Korean keyboard apk files from Korean Galaxy S?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=778256
[Q] Samsung Galaxy S SMS Problem
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760159
Korean keyboard apk files from Korean Galaxy S?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=778256
[Q] Need help on fixing boot.bin and Sbl.bin for my Korean Galaxy S (M110S)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=790388
[Q] Anycall Galaxy stuck..>.> please HELP!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=812106
Note: we (mods) are discussing the best way to combine/organize all the Galaxy S sections for ease of use.
In the meantime, I'm making this thread a sticky in this section for easy reference, 'till we determine if it will get it's own section in the long run.
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I found these at an korean site.
It's used with odin to root the phone.
NOT TESTED
hope this help
link here:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...tml?id=tipn&no=80&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
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Your link is more recent than mine, I think there is some merits to using both, I think the method I have is safer and doesn't use ODIN but it'll take some research. I'll see if I can look into it tomorrow 3 am right now. In any case, I appreciate the search and the links.
*Edit* As I said before, I think the way I have posted is preferred by the Korean community, the most recent, popular hack going on there links to mine. According to the discussion at matp, I think there's a smaller chance of bricking with the method I posted. However, also like I said before, I think thought there might be merits to both, so I'll put your link on the front page as an option to those who want to use Odin. Either way, thanks again.
AllGamer said:
i think we should link all the other relevant Korean Galaxy S question to this topic, for a quick and easy index
i'll add them here as i find them
Korean Galaxy S Missing Features and Laggy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731466
[Q] Updating a Korean Galaxy S on a Mac
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=766310
Anycall Galaxy S?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761040
Anycall Galaxy S?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761095
Korea Figures
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=758447
Official firmware DG07 pushed out in Korea via Kies
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=725407
Android 2.2 coming to Galaxy S. Starting with the Korean version.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723713
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I definitely contemplated it, especially the most recently active thread. You have more experience here so I'll defer to your wisdom, so there wouldn't be much hard in essentially "bumping" those other threads by posting a link to here? Or is there another method that's preferable? The one thing about the most recently active thread was two people were having the same issue and I wasn't sure if they'd be in contact there. I definitely want them to be in contact in one place or the other, so bumping that might actually do them some good. I'll post the link there now.
One more question. I plan, or at least planned, on posting when we receive Froyo in a new thread (I think it'll at least give the community the "update is around the corner" feeling that they desperately crave) and they won't be going out of there way to be looking here. Also, it seems to be the general community practice, even posting rumors they here from some guy in a kiosk . Do you advise against me starting a new thread when that occurs? I could always still link here even though I think it'd be expected that a lot of the initial discussion would occur there.
thanks for the update sirphunkee , it's good to know the idea hasn't been dropped.
alovell83, feel free to create new topics for worthy information, as most likely people would like to add feedback, etc
you don't want everything in this topic, else it will become a big mess, so instead we'll use this stickied topic as an index for all new Korea SGS related topic discussions, and important announcements.
until we learn the fate of the Admin decision on how to improve the SGS family forums
Good to hear on both the integration and the sticky, sirphunkee, thanks! We're feeling more welcome here already! But now you make me wish I wrote a better thread, well, it's already Saturday here so I guess I can get to my planned improvements when I wake up. Hopefully work on getting a 3-button equipped SGS as well so I can get some better rooting info available. More importantly, I'll probably, finally, register at matpclub and tell them we have a special section over here and looking to share best practices with there community.
you might want to write up something for your fellow Koreans, about the trick to warm up the phone to enable the 3 button download mode.
I still can not believe it myself, but there have been mixed reports from people saying yes it works (3 buttons did not work before the heat), and no it doesn't work
so i'm really confused, but it's worth a try for a few guys that got the Korea SGS and got stuck because the ROM Flash failed
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thanks for the update sirphunkee , it's good to know the idea hasn't been dropped.
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Good to hear on both the integration and the sticky, sirphunkee, thanks! We're feeling more welcome here already! But now you make me wish I wrote a better thread, well, it's already Saturday here so I guess I can get to my planned improvements when I wake up. Hopefully work on getting a 3-button equipped SGS as well so I can get some better rooting info available. More importantly, I'll probably, finally, register at matpclub and tell them we have a special section over here and looking to share best practices with there community.
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No prob I too would love to see a better organization of all the Galaxy sections...and I think the odds are very good that the final structure will be at least very similar to what's been proposed in AllGamer's poll (which is what we're using as the reference in the mod discussions).
Anyway, thanks for both of your efforts on all this, it is very much appreciated by both myself and the other users around here!
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Your link is more recent than mine, I think there is some merits to using both, I think the method I have is safer and doesn't use ODIN but it'll take some research. I'll see if I can look into it tomorrow 3 am right now. In any case, I appreciate the search and the links.
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Since we can root the device, in theory we can easily fix the 70 chars limited sms and so on...
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Since we can root the device, in theory we can easily fix the 70 chars limited sms and so on...
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For people using the device outside of Korea, please fix for yourself. For domestic users who text alot, I wouldn't look for a fix, I'm under the impression you'll be charged for 4 texts if you use 241 bytes. While if you use MMS instead (the default when you go 81+ bytes) is counted as 1 message.
You need to have 3G on to send the MMS, which used to be annoying for me because I used to leave 3G off bc of 500mb limit, but they just started their unlimited data program so I now use 3G on 90% of the day.
In any case, do what is convenient for you.
Thanks for creating this thread alovell83.
Just to clear things out for FAQ #3, I was able to solve the issue PERMANENTLY by:
-Removing the SIM card
-Placing it in another phone that has the "My Number" option (I used an iPhone, heard that older Sony Ericssons work too.)
-Entering my own number in international format (+63917~) (Prior to this, "Unknown" was also shown in the iPhone.)
-Inserting the SIM back to the M110s.
There
PS I wasn't able to reply to you in the other thread, but 3G works now. I just had to enable data roaming on startup and use apndroid (avail. in market) to switch data on/off.
Hello people.
To get the source code, follow the steps:
1 - enter opensource.samsung.com
2 - Type P600 in the search box;
3 - Choose SM-P600_KOR_KK_Opensource.zip on the list;
4 - Click on "agree" option, and after "continue"
I hope this information can help developers! :good:
That's strange. I believe it's pretty rare for the source to drop before a firmware is actually released.
P600KXUAMJ3 is 4.3, so no, there is no KitKat source available.
foo said:
P600KXUAMJ3 is 4.3, so no, there is no KitKat source available.
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Maybe someone like @scrosler could look at the source and confirm if it's 4.4; I'm sure it's something he'd be interested in if it is. Here's a list of all the new Note's and the firmware posted for them in the Open Source registry. The only one's showing "KK" are the new Note|Pro 12's and the one version of s/w for the N10.1-14 the OP mentioned. All the rest are "JB." So regardless of the three character s/w version number it does seem to be KitKat.
foo said:
P600KXUAMJ3 is 4.3, so no, there is no KitKat source available.
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I haven't downloaded it yet to look at it, but seriously... 200 posts and 6 thanks. If it looks like a troll and sounds like a troll, its probably a troll. I'm just making an observation, I don't know this "foo".
Edit: My download failed, but I got it from a reputable source that this is indeed NOT kitkat. Apologies foo.
I just entered the SW version in google search and saw that it is mentioned in posts from last year (like here). You will also find that it is a 4.3 version. This was not a troll attempt but only my observation. I would be glad if this information was wrong because I'd love to get KK on my note and I'm also 100% confident that we'll get it some day.
Hello,
I recently came across this "LOW-COST-ULTRA-POWERFUL(LCUP)" device.
I immediately started looking for an Ubuntu Mobile OS port for this device.
Unfortunately there seems to be none, then i came across this
https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
Would love to see somebody adopt this project and give us a Dual-Boot YU.
I am sure the Ubuntu community would be thrilled to assist you and add another device to their compatibility list.
With its 9K($140) price point and an ubuntu port, Canonical couldn't be asking for a better device to showcase their OS given that this device is still sold out within seconds of its sale window.
CANONICAL SHOULD THINK SERIOUSLY ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY !!!
RATIONALE :
Officially adding support to this device besides the nexus, wouldn't be a bad idea for canonical, as given its never tiring run at the sales window every week(which lasts only seconds on Amazon, India.) it could soon surpass the nexus device counts.
Besides and MORE IMPORTANTLY i would be more comfortable fidgeting with a device that is $ 140 as against the nexus lineup which is upwards of $350.
THE COROLLARY :
Officially supporting it means no-bugs, no-bugs means people(MOBILE MECHANICS) in India can setup shop and earn out of Ubuntu installations(with Dual-Booting Android) which will translate to a free market to Canonical to lay base for its OS.
India cannot be ignored, given the numbers that we are, success stories get written overnight. Case in point being the maker of this device 'MICROMAX' itself.
BIGGEST OPPORTUNITY :
MICROMAX'S POORER-THAN-POOR SUPPORT COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO OTHERS(Canonical & UBUNTU in this case) , INSTEAD OF LAYING TO WASTE A HARDWARE AS GOOD AS THIS.
A STABLE(OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED) 'UBUNTU MOBILE OS' SHOULD ENCOURAGE USERS TO LOOK AT UBUNTU MOBILE OS AS A REPRIEVE AS AGAINST MICROMAX'S POORER-THAN-POOR SUPPORT SYSTEM.
CONCLUSION(COROLLARY) :
MORE DEVICES means KICK STARTING THE UBUNTU MOBILE OS ecosystem.
AN ACTIVE ECOSYSTEM means MORE OEM'S SEEING VIABILITY IN THE 'UBUNTU MOBILE OS PROJECT'.
PS: Poll added for a reality check of the viability of this request.
thanks,
wrong location of the thread buddy.
and with lollipop on the horizon, the whole project would have to be rebased soon enough. so will have to wait anyway.
requested mod to move the thread
Sorry!
& Thanks,
Moderator Can u please move this to the relevant section ?
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I want to source an Android smart watch from China for a project am working on. I want to change the menu interface it comes with and replace with a custom interface specific for my purpose (means no custom control to intended audience).
Thoughts Needed
Does anyone here have a similar experience?
Are they good at customizing ROMs and interfaces according to requirements?
If not, how easy is it to hire somebody to build a custom ROM with custom interface (for say MTK6572)?
Any recommended suppliers you know?
Phase 1 MUST HAVE Minimum Requirements - 100 Units Order
Android OS
GSM/GPS
Touch screen
Mic/Speaker
Charging points on the back side (no micro-usb slot on the side)
Shortlisted AK-S5 or AK-S7
Phase 2 MUST HAVE Minimum Requirements
All from Phase 1
IP67 or IP68
Magnetic based charger point on the backside
Heart rate sensor at the backside
Shortlisted - None available yet
abuduri said:
I want to source an Android smart watch from China for a project am working on. I want to change the menu interface it comes with and replace with a custom interface specific for my purpose (means no custom control to intended audience).
Thoughts Needed
Does anyone here have a similar experience?
Are they good at customizing ROMs and interfaces according to requirements?
If not, how easy is it to hire somebody to build a custom ROM with custom interface (for say MTK6572)?
Any recommended suppliers you know?
Phase 1 MUST HAVE Minimum Requirements - 100 Units Order
Android OS
GSM/GPS
Touch screen
Mic/Speaker
Charging points on the back side (no micro-usb slot on the side)
Shortlisted AK-S5 or AK-S7
Phase 2 MUST HAVE Minimum Requirements
All from Phase 1
IP67 or IP68
Magnetic based charger point on the backside
Heart rate sensor at the backside
Shortlisted - None available yet
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Please note: to date no Chinese Android watches are IP67, even the ones that provide proof of IP certification, I've learned that the hard way
AK-55 is the Z01
The AK-S7 is or looks like ZGPAX S7
I'm sure you have experience dealing with Chinese sellers, but if you don't . .. . be extremely careful, even using Paypal, trust no one!
simple1i said:
Please note: to date no Chinese Android watches are IP67, even the ones that provide proof of IP certification, I've learned that the hard way
AK-55 is the Z01
The AK-S7 is or looks like ZGPAX S7
I'm sure you have experience dealing with Chinese sellers, but if you don't . .. . be extremely careful, even using Paypal, trust no one!
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Thanks a lot @simple1i.
I have a chicken-egg question ... Which came first - AK-S5 or Z01? Which of these (or among numerous others on Alibaba) is "original" (designed first)? If there is no traceback and everyone is using the same reference design, as long as it works as intended, does it matter? I did get this supplier to show me the watch on skype video (though it doesn't prove anything).
My main question is - if the supplier really has a "fully working version" of S5 or Z01, and is ready to supply - they also say they will do ODM - any experience on their skills to make a custom ROM and change the menu interface to my needs? If not, anyone here willing to build the ROM and interface (paid)?
x201 model
abuduri said:
Thanks a lot @simple1i.
I have a chicken-egg question ... Which came first - AK-S5 or Z01? Which of these (or among numerous others on Alibaba) is "original" (designed first)? If there is no traceback and everyone is using the same reference design, as long as it works as intended, does it matter? I did get this supplier to show me the watch on skype video (though it doesn't prove anything).
My main question is - if the supplier really has a "fully working version" of S5 or Z01, and is ready to supply - they also say they will do ODM - any experience on their skills to make a custom ROM and change the menu interface to my needs? If not, anyone here willing to build the ROM and interface (paid)?
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I started looking into smartwatches on XDA from Mar 2014, so my history before then is limited. For me it started with the Omate TrueSmart, their Kickstarter campaign that promised it all and delivered a lie. I could be wrong, but Omate made the watch first (x201) and the rest copied (or someShenzhen firm made it first and Omate copied ) @pizzaman77 - knows the full history of Omate clones x201. But yes, now it does not matter as long as it works.
As for the development, you might get lucky and find that someone is already doing what you want or similar on the Omate forum - search on the Android development threads. I'm not a dev, so I don't if the Chineses sellers have the skills, doubt it. But the Devs on XDA will have. Look at this Omate thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/oma...rom-omate-truesmart-ironman-firmware-t2998434 - lots of dev going on on the Omate and its clones.
@kuronosan - is a key dev, still active, he might be able to help with paid work. You should start with making a new thread in the Omate Dev forum with your request.
@Lokifish Marz - knows a loooot but is not too actives these days
Please keep me informed on your dev plans (if its not top secret ) - i really really want to also buy a bulk order (maybe only 5 to start with) from China and sell them in the UK, but i need to join someone who is ordering in bulk so that i CAN only buy 5 units to start with. The other issue is i would need to fix any software issues first then sell them and if they sell then buy more. Can PM me if you wish. Thanks.
simple1i said:
I started looking into smartwatches on XDA from Mar 2014, so my history before then is limited. For me it started with the Omate TrueSmart, their Kickstarter campaign that promised it all and delivered a lie. I could be wrong, but Omate made the watch first (x201) and the rest copied (or someShenzhen firm made it first and Omate copied ) @pizzaman77 - knows the full history of Omate clones x201. But yes, now it does not matter as long as it works.
As for the development, you might get lucky and find that someone is already doing what you want or similar on the Omate forum - search on the Android development threads. I'm not a dev, so I don't if the Chineses sellers have the skills, doubt it. But the Devs on XDA will have. Look at this Omate thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/oma...rom-omate-truesmart-ironman-firmware-t2998434 - lots of dev going on on the Omate and its clones.
@kuronosan - is a key dev, still active, he might be able to help with paid work. You should start with making a new thread in the Omate Dev forum with your request.
@Lokifish Marz - knows a loooot but is not too actives these days
Please keep me informed on your dev plans (if its not top secret ) - i really really want to also buy a bulk order (maybe only 5 to start with) from China and sell them in the UK, but i need to join someone who is ordering in bulk so that i CAN only buy 5 units to start with. The other issue is i would need to fix any software issues first then sell them and if they sell then buy more. Can PM me if you wish. Thanks.
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Thanks a ton @simple1i. I will start a thread there.
Do you know any Android watches that fit my Phase 2 requirements (couldn't find any on Alibaba or similar sites)?
I did find a few watches fitting my spec without Android (either Nucleus or similar). Is it advisable to build on those platforms given that Android is now into wearables Reason I chose Android is because I want to be able to easily change supplier and/or watch hardware (looks) later easily and just port the code/functionality rather than getting locked. Else it will become an EXPENSIVE affair later. Am I right in thinking so?
abuduri said:
Thanks a ton @simple1i. I will start a thread there.
Do you know any Android watches that fit my Phase 2 requirements (couldn't find any on Alibaba or similar sites)?
I did find a few watches fitting my spec without Android (either Nucleus or similar). Is it advisable to build on those platforms given that Android is now into wearables Reason I chose Android is because I want to be able to easily change supplier and/or watch hardware (looks) later easily and just port the code/functionality rather than getting locked. Else it will become an EXPENSIVE affair later. Am I right in thinking so?
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And yes @simple1i, I will definitely keep you in the loop on the bulk ordering.
abuduri said:
Thanks a ton @simple1i. I will start a thread there.
Do you know any Android watches that fit my Phase 2 requirements (couldn't find any on Alibaba or similar sites)?
I did find a few watches fitting my spec without Android (either Nucleus or similar). Is it advisable to build on those platforms given that Android is now into wearables Reason I chose Android is because I want to be able to easily change supplier and/or watch hardware (looks) later easily and just port the code/functionality rather than getting locked. Else it will become an EXPENSIVE affair later. Am I right in thinking so?
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Yes I'd stick with Android, lots of resources available, gives more flexibility. I don't think Nucleus OS is a viable option yet, it would be too expensive.
I take it SIM is a requirement too? I'll look around, the IP67 is not available yet, maybe the Ironman 3rd generation might be IP67, but the company (Unova) is full of liars, I was ripped off with the 2nd generation, I proved it's not IP67. Other then the IP67 the rest might be available, you'll need to search for it on AliExpress.
What country are you from?
simple1i said:
Yes I'd stick with Android, lots of resources available, gives more flexibility. I don't think Nucleus OS is a viable option yet, it would be too expensive.
I take it SIM is a requirement too? I'll look around, the IP67 is not available yet, maybe the Ironman 3rd generation might be IP67, but the company (Unova) is full of liars, I was ripped off with the 2nd generation, I proved it's not IP67. Other then the IP67 the rest might be available, you'll need to search for it on AliExpress.
What country are you from?
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Yes, with 2G. 3G really not needed but if it comes with it, cool. Couldn't find any with android and heart rate on back side, keeping IP67 on the side.
Am currently in Boston (originally from India).
simple1i said:
Yes I'd stick with Android, lots of resources available, gives more flexibility. I don't think Nucleus OS is a viable option yet, it would be too expensive.
I take it SIM is a requirement too? I'll look around, the IP67 is not available yet, maybe the Ironman 3rd generation might be IP67, but the company (Unova) is full of liars, I was ripped off with the 2nd generation, I proved it's not IP67. Other then the IP67 the rest might be available, you'll need to search for it on AliExpress.
What country are you from?
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@simple1i ... is Android Wear OS same as Android 4.4 etc running on Z01 (and others) etc?
abuduri said:
@simple1i ... is Android Wear OS same as Android 4.4 etc running on Z01 (and others) etc?
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Found the answer ... http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/what-operating-systems-do-wearable-devices-run-on/
Looks like Android Wear needs a compatible Android phone for it to work.
So, I'll stick with just Android.
General rules with Chinese Android smartwatches
Broken firmware
Major security holes
Little to no official support (this includes the phone side app)
English (or any other language other than Chinese) for the phone app is very rare
Incomplete source code (when you can even get it) that is a generic build pulled from a phone
Inconsistent battery life due to broken firmware
IP67 is more like IP54 if lucky
Poor build quality and QC by western standards
Not Lokifish supported (I've walked away from the industry as a whole until they get their collective heads out of their butts)
kuronosan's time is limited so fixes may be slow
Depending on your needs and goals. Talk to Ingenic. The HW is a little slow on the Newton (SmartQ Z uses it), not sure about the Newton 2. Either way they have source (Linux, Android, etc). The package is small enough that you could design and build a smartwatch that's about the same size as a real watch, but the display will need a new "crystal" to pull it off nicely. Find a compatible round display, and you should be able to use off the shelf watch cases with minor modifications giving you a 200m diver's smartwatch if you do it right.
*Side note
Even with a 1/2 million buy in for 3000 units we designed ourselves, Umeox still would not have provided source code, and little to no support. That's what the Chinese ODM's are like. kuronosan can verify this.
@abuduri - I'm not sure if my reply to your PM went thru? I can't see it in my sent folder. Did you get it?
I'm still working on stuff for the Omate. I just haven't actually had any free time as of late. I can't just take off of work to put work into a device that's difficult to troubleshoot. If I can be of any help let me know.
I've just started working with smartwatches, but I'm happy to help however I can. I'll be attempting some work on the s8, and I know my way around Android pretty well.
kuronosan said:
I'm still working on stuff for the Omate. I just haven't actually had any free time as of late. I can't just take off of work to put work into a device that's difficult to troubleshoot. If I can be of any help let me know.
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@kuronosan @chainsol - thanks guys.
The thread for the new smartwatch is here, we have 5 people so far: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3115221 - including an electronic engineering. [emoji818]
firmware files of z01
abuduri said:
I want to source an Android smart watch from China for a project am working on. I want to change the menu interface it comes with and replace with a custom interface specific for my purpose (means no custom control to intended audience).
Thoughts Needed
Does anyone here have a similar experience?
Are they good at customizing ROMs and interfaces according to requirements?
If not, how easy is it to hire somebody to build a custom ROM with custom interface (for say MTK6572)?
Any recommended suppliers you know?
Phase 1 MUST HAVE Minimum Requirements - 100 Units Order
Android OS
GSM/GPS
Touch screen
Mic/Speaker
Charging points on the back side (no micro-usb slot on the side)
Shortlisted AK-S5 or AK-S7
Phase 2 MUST HAVE Minimum Requirements
All from Phase 1
IP67 or IP68
Magnetic based charger point on the backside
Heart rate sensor at the backside
Shortlisted - None available yet
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
need firmware files for z01 (android 5.1)