Hi All,
I'm going to put this upfront, because it's more important than the FAQ. Though there names get repeated a bit in this post, a major credit goes to Koe & Appagom for providing a lot of know-how, testing, information sharing and answers to questions users have posted here. This thread wouldn't be half as valuable without them. They should probably consider getting donate links, as it's the popular thing to do around here anyways, and I'd surely give them a few 원 for some soju or their beverage/food of choice for enhancing my phone experience. If they do decide to do something like that, I'd encourage you to do the same if you've used their methods or have even delayed taking action until you saw and read about their successes, trials & tribulations before proceeding with anything risky.
Next important thing, please don't try to flash i9000 or any other SGS variant's firmware unless you are really prepared to experiment and fix your own problems.
I'm writing this because perhaps it will help us SHW-m110s users spread information and have a point of reference, perhaps even bookmark, to spread information specific to our phone. Many of our questions just get posted in the most recently replied to thread with the word "Korean" in it. Part of my goal will also be to provide an area that Korean users who speak little English will be able to post and have a discussion. I will start that process on my own and enlist help from others I know. Please feel free to contribute in any way you can in any of these areas.
With the Froyo update, I'd like to link to one of the more newsworthy and relevant development's due to increased system functionality we have at our disposal. Koe's guide on HowTo OpenVPN on the SHW-M110S (via StrongVPN and maybe others) can be found here Thanks KOE
Tested on FroYo firmware versions DI29 and SK05
Prerequisites:
rooted (I also recommend SuperUser)
busybox installed
You understand the benefits of being able to connect to a stateside OpenVPN server.
openVPN server account
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By request, other links to other guides or important topics available on XDA (or elsewhere) for the Galaxy S series if you haven't already come across them or just need a point in the right direction will be posted here. So, please let me know if you feel there is some other required reading before the test :
[REF] BIG FAQ! {Flash/Root HOWTO} {ADB&Tutorials} {T&T} {FW-Guide} [MUST READ!]
So, on with the FAQ/guide:
*please note, this is a highly work-in-progress thread and is meant to be supplemental to, not in place of, better, more refined guides featured in the I9000 board. I started to plan this about 24 hours ago but there continue to be questions asked out of place so I'm rushing this a bit
Where can I find ROM "(insert name)"?
How do I update my phone?
Can I put a ROM from the i9000 or another SGS family on this device?
What frequencies does the cellular radio operate on?
Does that make this a world phone?
What limited functionality have users experienced overseas?
How do I use Voice search in Korean?
What else is different from the I9000 and other versions of the SGS?
How do I root my phone?
Where is Samsung Apps/Samsung Apps store?
Are there any other ways to download games in Korea?
Does SK Telecom support OTA updates?
How do I work the DMB tuner?
Why aren't the Secret Codes aren't working?
Can I change the SMS character limit from 80 to 160 characters?
Can we get Social Hub on the phone?
I want the boot animation, do you have it?
This FAQ is terrible, but I have a question...
Where can I find ROM "(insert name)"?
Koe seems to have kept a good list, here.
How do I update my phone?
Download Kies 2.0 here > click on the magnifying glass to the right of "Kies" > click on the white button "Kies 다운로드" > run the file > install > important set your location (left box) to Korea (I assume this to be the default) and your language (right box) can be the language of your choosing.
Can I put a ROM from the i9000 or another SGS family on this device?
This is one of those, 'if you have to ask...stay far far away questions'. Essentially you can come in here if you want a suggestion on what ROMs we might be using at the time, but no, for the love of God don't ask about i9000 or other device ROMs. If you know how to get yourself out of a pickle you wouldn't even need to ask, and if you try and fail you'll be asking us to get you out.
Right now most users are content with z4mod, though there are some Korean ROMs that will be brought up from time to time.
What frequencies does the cellular radio operate on?
*To be updated*
Does that make this a world phone?
XDA users have reported some phone functionality in Russia and the Philippines. And know specific carriers in the US that the phone may/may not be compatible with, and if this will work for users in the EU. It seems that most people, if they have the right APN information, have gotten working this in a variety of countries though there will be at least some U.S. carriers that aren't available and potentially other non-standard frequency users. Still, if I were living in another country I'd probably only get this from a distributor who I'd be able to get a refund from if I couldn't get it working - anything else and you're doing so at your own risk.
What limited functionality have users experienced overseas?
User ulrauko has reported no data functionality on his device in Russia.
It is recommended to work with a local carrier to get APN information to enter into your settings in order to maximize phone functionality. Some users may continue to have 3G problems after this, it might be possible to check setting "data roaming" in wireless & network > Mobile networks, but it'd be wise to check with your carrier to see what happens if you end up roaming onto another carriers towers.
Users precious_mew has reported that he can't use MMS due to his carrier while chester_go has reported an inability for his phone to see his phone number requiring him to edit his phone number (to any number, not necessarily his actual number) to send SMS without any problems receiving SMS. Since then, Chester has been able to "program" his SIM by using the following method:
-Removing the SIM card
-Placing it in another phone that has the "My Number" option (I used an iPhone, heard that older Sony Ericssons work too.)
-Entering my own number in international format (+63917~) (Prior to this, "Unknown" was also shown in the iPhone.)
-Inserting the SIM back to the M110s.
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How do I use Voice search in Korean?
Voice Search can be changed in settings>voice & input>voice recognition settings>lanugage...
What else is different from the I9000 and other versions of the SGS?
For now, I assume that we have different cellular radios. Also, we have a T-DMB tuner. We were given different stock software, originally missing Swype and a few other things, since then we have received Swpye through a firmware upgrade. We do utilize different firmware for our SHW-m110s than the typical international versions.
How do I root my phone?
Appagom's Evolving, and well well-supported, Post.
Where is Samsung Apps/Samsung Apps store?
The Samsung Apps store in Korea is a subset of SK Telecom's store, I highly doubt this would be accessible overseas as I think it's SIM card dependent. There you will find a full version of Asphalt for a free download. Please note, some games, even western games such as Farm Frenzy only have Korean language menu, while Asphalt has both English and Korean. I'd also guess there is no 24 hour return policy, but any confirmation would be great, and I have to presume that charges will be added to your monthly phone bill. *As of Froyo SK has partially, and poorly, integrated part of their(?) app store into the marketplace in a separate tab called "SKT"
Are there any other ways to download games in Korea?
Being rooted will allow you to run MarketEnabler and fake a SIM code to be in one of a few countries. I don't think anyone on this thread knows the legality of such actions, so do so at your own risk.
*Note, as of Nov 15th, the Froyo update fast web installer is not functional. Will update if there is a change and I remember. Also, see Koe's guide to getting VPN working which can give you access to location restricted apps.
I hold out hope that fast web installer for AppBrain will be updated to work on the SGS, there are reports that some items such as GoogleEarth can be installed in this manner where users can't find the app in the marketplace.
There are also always "other ways" amongst them there are 3rd party sites such as slideme.org where you can find both paid and free games (some of which might not be available in the marketplace due to developer preference and/or marketplace restrictions). Slideme will work direct on the phone and you can also use it on your PC to download and sideload apps. As a matter of fact, games can be found by developers here at XDA which can be sideloaded. If you root your phone you will, hopefully, be able to use market enabler to sign as though you aren't in Korea (use wifi + airplane mode) and be able to download games directly from the marketplace. Additionally there are always the less legitimate ways.
Does SK Telecom support OTA updates?
User akbk84 reported to me in August that he did receive an OTA udpate. However, this was weeks after I had received my first, and I was perhaps on my 3rd or 4th update by then. He She (my apologies ) did, however, receive the most current update. I do not know what SK/Samsung plan going forward, perhaps just critical updates will be OTA. I personally have, and I kind of recall reading someone else might've, received an OTA camera update.
Update: In the t-store there is an app called T-Upgrade, we believe it is supposed to give OTA updates to the phone. After downloading it didn't help me get the newest FW, so I'll post further information when I hear of a success story.
How do I work the DMB tuner? The DMB tuner works best with the DMB antenna extended. Extend the DMB tuner, located on the top right of the phone above the power button.
The secret codes were changed, or removed from, or broken during, an August firmware update. For now, we will keep a running list of working secrete codes here:
TouchKey F/W Info - *#86824#
- Has an "F/W Update" Button
- Can set the "Menu" and "Back" key sensitivity
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SKT Admin menu (general settings, such as: network, system, sms, etc.)
From the dialer enter: 319712358
You will be prompted for a pasword: 774632
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thanks koe1974
Can I change the SMS character limit from 80 to 160 characters?
This seems to be a common question posed from people living outside of Korea. Handcent defaults to 160 characters before changing the message to an MMS, how this will affect your message setting and carrier costs have never been verified so please do some sort of conclusive test and update us. Within Korea, MMS/SMS have the same pricing and free allotment, so it doesn't seem to be necessary to have the 160 character difference, also I haven't heard anything about how this might affect the messages and how SKT would deal with and treat extra long SMS messages.
Can we get Social Hub on the phone?
As far as I know, no one has successfully extracted and loaded Social Hub onto our phones.
I want the boot animation, do you have it?
Yes, please go to this post for more information.
This FAQ is terrible, but I have a question...
Please ask, provide better answers, do whatever to help us improve our SHW-m110s experience.
Thanks all!
여기 한국어 faq 쓰겠습니다, 하지만 미국 사람 입니다. 그름, 한굴말 잘 못 합니다, 미안합니다.
i'm hoping the mods will create a subforum for this model, since they seem to be doing it for all the models
or instead of that, they should combine all the forums into one
no idea what their plans are, but it's really messy as it's right now
Agreed, if I wasn't busy writing this I might've actually posted a link in the Galaxy Tab forum regarding your proposal when I saw it pop up on my Google reader.
re. the unlimited data option. it is currently available. i called SKT a few days ago and changed my plan to unlimited.
steveohan said:
re. the unlimited data option. it is currently available. i called SKT a few days ago and changed my plan to unlimited.
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You are correct, this thread has paid for itself already!
i'm so envious.... USA and Korea, and many other countries already have unlimited data
but we in Canada still stuck with limited data
Ha, if I were still in the US I'd still be a bit jealous of the Korean system. U.S. buy a Galaxy S, get a gimped phone and be forced into a data plan (no FF camera, no tethering with the exception of Sprint in 4G areas). These days new contracts at the big two, AT&T and Verizon don't even get unlimited data IIRC (Verizon is implementing capped data, not sure on the timeframe)
In Korea you can buy a phone without a data plan, or a plan without a voice plan. Unlimited data plan with 200 texts and 300 minutes (I might've reversed those) is essentially less than half the price of the cheapest AT&T and Verizon plan with more than 1GB.
In summary, you can have:
contract free
no voice plan
no data plan
unlimited data on the super cheap
free tethering (not available on any carrier in the U.S. in the near future with the exception of Sprint but only on the 4G network)
Free wifi access points
Compared to Canada I pay less than 50CAD for my plan.
Also, not available on SKT, the carrier that has the SGS, but one more reason to be jealous of possibilities here...KT expands Wi-Fi coverage to all subways
I found these at an korean site.
It's used with odin to root the phone.
NOT TESTED
hope this help
link here:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...tml?id=tipn&no=80&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
i think we should link all the other relevant Korean Galaxy S question to this topic, for a quick and easy index
i'll add them here as i find them
Korean Galaxy S Missing Features and Laggy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731466
[Q] Updating a Korean Galaxy S on a Mac
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=766310
Anycall Galaxy S?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761040
Anycall Galaxy S?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761095
Korea Figures
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=758447
Official firmware DG07 pushed out in Korea via Kies
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=725407
Android 2.2 coming to Galaxy S. Starting with the Korean version.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723713
[Q] m110s EDGE problem
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=774508
Korean keyboard apk files from Korean Galaxy S?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=778256
[Q] Samsung Galaxy S SMS Problem
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=760159
Korean keyboard apk files from Korean Galaxy S?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=778256
[Q] Need help on fixing boot.bin and Sbl.bin for my Korean Galaxy S (M110S)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=790388
[Q] Anycall Galaxy stuck..>.> please HELP!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=812106
Note: we (mods) are discussing the best way to combine/organize all the Galaxy S sections for ease of use.
In the meantime, I'm making this thread a sticky in this section for easy reference, 'till we determine if it will get it's own section in the long run.
vragon said:
I found these at an korean site.
It's used with odin to root the phone.
NOT TESTED
hope this help
link here:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...tml?id=tipn&no=80&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
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Your link is more recent than mine, I think there is some merits to using both, I think the method I have is safer and doesn't use ODIN but it'll take some research. I'll see if I can look into it tomorrow 3 am right now. In any case, I appreciate the search and the links.
*Edit* As I said before, I think the way I have posted is preferred by the Korean community, the most recent, popular hack going on there links to mine. According to the discussion at matp, I think there's a smaller chance of bricking with the method I posted. However, also like I said before, I think thought there might be merits to both, so I'll put your link on the front page as an option to those who want to use Odin. Either way, thanks again.
AllGamer said:
i think we should link all the other relevant Korean Galaxy S question to this topic, for a quick and easy index
i'll add them here as i find them
Korean Galaxy S Missing Features and Laggy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731466
[Q] Updating a Korean Galaxy S on a Mac
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=766310
Anycall Galaxy S?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761040
Anycall Galaxy S?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761095
Korea Figures
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=758447
Official firmware DG07 pushed out in Korea via Kies
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=725407
Android 2.2 coming to Galaxy S. Starting with the Korean version.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723713
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I definitely contemplated it, especially the most recently active thread. You have more experience here so I'll defer to your wisdom, so there wouldn't be much hard in essentially "bumping" those other threads by posting a link to here? Or is there another method that's preferable? The one thing about the most recently active thread was two people were having the same issue and I wasn't sure if they'd be in contact there. I definitely want them to be in contact in one place or the other, so bumping that might actually do them some good. I'll post the link there now.
One more question. I plan, or at least planned, on posting when we receive Froyo in a new thread (I think it'll at least give the community the "update is around the corner" feeling that they desperately crave) and they won't be going out of there way to be looking here. Also, it seems to be the general community practice, even posting rumors they here from some guy in a kiosk . Do you advise against me starting a new thread when that occurs? I could always still link here even though I think it'd be expected that a lot of the initial discussion would occur there.
thanks for the update sirphunkee , it's good to know the idea hasn't been dropped.
alovell83, feel free to create new topics for worthy information, as most likely people would like to add feedback, etc
you don't want everything in this topic, else it will become a big mess, so instead we'll use this stickied topic as an index for all new Korea SGS related topic discussions, and important announcements.
until we learn the fate of the Admin decision on how to improve the SGS family forums
Good to hear on both the integration and the sticky, sirphunkee, thanks! We're feeling more welcome here already! But now you make me wish I wrote a better thread, well, it's already Saturday here so I guess I can get to my planned improvements when I wake up. Hopefully work on getting a 3-button equipped SGS as well so I can get some better rooting info available. More importantly, I'll probably, finally, register at matpclub and tell them we have a special section over here and looking to share best practices with there community.
you might want to write up something for your fellow Koreans, about the trick to warm up the phone to enable the 3 button download mode.
I still can not believe it myself, but there have been mixed reports from people saying yes it works (3 buttons did not work before the heat), and no it doesn't work
so i'm really confused, but it's worth a try for a few guys that got the Korea SGS and got stuck because the ROM Flash failed
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thanks for the update sirphunkee , it's good to know the idea hasn't been dropped.
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alovell83 said:
Good to hear on both the integration and the sticky, sirphunkee, thanks! We're feeling more welcome here already! But now you make me wish I wrote a better thread, well, it's already Saturday here so I guess I can get to my planned improvements when I wake up. Hopefully work on getting a 3-button equipped SGS as well so I can get some better rooting info available. More importantly, I'll probably, finally, register at matpclub and tell them we have a special section over here and looking to share best practices with there community.
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No prob I too would love to see a better organization of all the Galaxy sections...and I think the odds are very good that the final structure will be at least very similar to what's been proposed in AllGamer's poll (which is what we're using as the reference in the mod discussions).
Anyway, thanks for both of your efforts on all this, it is very much appreciated by both myself and the other users around here!
alovell83 said:
Your link is more recent than mine, I think there is some merits to using both, I think the method I have is safer and doesn't use ODIN but it'll take some research. I'll see if I can look into it tomorrow 3 am right now. In any case, I appreciate the search and the links.
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Since we can root the device, in theory we can easily fix the 70 chars limited sms and so on...
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Since we can root the device, in theory we can easily fix the 70 chars limited sms and so on...
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For people using the device outside of Korea, please fix for yourself. For domestic users who text alot, I wouldn't look for a fix, I'm under the impression you'll be charged for 4 texts if you use 241 bytes. While if you use MMS instead (the default when you go 81+ bytes) is counted as 1 message.
You need to have 3G on to send the MMS, which used to be annoying for me because I used to leave 3G off bc of 500mb limit, but they just started their unlimited data program so I now use 3G on 90% of the day.
In any case, do what is convenient for you.
Thanks for creating this thread alovell83.
Just to clear things out for FAQ #3, I was able to solve the issue PERMANENTLY by:
-Removing the SIM card
-Placing it in another phone that has the "My Number" option (I used an iPhone, heard that older Sony Ericssons work too.)
-Entering my own number in international format (+63917~) (Prior to this, "Unknown" was also shown in the iPhone.)
-Inserting the SIM back to the M110s.
There
PS I wasn't able to reply to you in the other thread, but 3G works now. I just had to enable data roaming on startup and use apndroid (avail. in market) to switch data on/off.
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I currently have a rooted Tab. If I update to GB will it screw up anything (other than unrooting)?
Original Samsung Galaxy Tab from Verizon gets Gingerbread update
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Remember the original 7 inch Samsung Galaxy Tab? Verizon has given new blood to the ol' boy with a firmware update that gives the device a Gingerbread transfusion. The tablet was launched with Froyo installed and the update from Verizon adds some new features as well as Gingerbread functionality.
Android 2.3.5 is now on Verizon's Samsung Galaxy Tab
Besides receiving Android 2.3.5, the Verizon sold Samsung Galaxy Tab will also have improved word selection and copy functionality, improved security for the PIN method as when using the PIN on the device, you will no longer be asked to enter a symbol as a numeric entry and a "View Data Plan" icon will be available to let you adjust your plan. At the same time, a feature from Verizon Data Service gives you a real-time peek at the amount of data you have consumed for the month to make sure you don't go over your contracted amount.
Other new features coming with the OTA update are a download manager app, the ability to use the front-facing camera to record video, more accurate portrait and landscape re-sizing of widgets, support for Verizon's pre-paid service, and perhaps most importantly the update brings some security patches from Google.
Once you've allowed the update to proceed to the end, let us know what you think of the changes by dropping a comment in the box below!
Please look at the search results when you post a new thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328633
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jason62082 said:
Please look at the search results when you post a new thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328633
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This thread was created first. So please look at the time stamps when responding in a thread.
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This thread was created first. So please look at the time stamps when responding in a thread.
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If you're going to call me out, at least be right....
That's from an Indian forum (not permitted to post link)
Don't know how true, but sounds interesting:
I was in mall 3/4 days back , apparently looking at tabs ( duh!! ) and I met a technical person from Samsung and he was telling me that since ICS is made for cellphone and tablets alike, It will unlock the potential for calling on GSM as well, and hence Samsung tab 10.1 will RECEIVE support for GSM calling cause it has hardware ( sim tray & messaging), will xoom receive its calling ability as well ?
also he told me that 7.7 will be launched on or around nov 15th where as 8.9 & 7.0 plus will be here in January Samsung is marketing them such way that they will exhaust the supply of 10.1 and then only move to next version ,
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The GSM -hardware- has ALWAYS supported the ability to make and receive regular GSM phone calls and SMS/MMS. The question isn't whether or not the GTab/ICS -can- support GSM calling; they always have been able to.
The question is, will carriers bully the manufacturers into requiring that the GSM phone calling abilities of tablets be disabled or not. American carriers succeeded in that with the original Tab. (The P1000 could make and receive calls everywhere in the world except for the US versions; having a single device, and thus a single subscription, is bad business for carriers...)
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That's from an Indian forum (not permitted to post link)
Don't know how true, but sounds interesting:
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Thanks for info...i m happy to know gsm calling would be available in near future. Desperately waiting for that feature.
i have made the call settings appears in the settings for gtab 7500 , but i didn't continue the process as im using mini laptop and is killing me during compiling and de-compiling xD
i have made the call settings appears in the settings for gtab 7500 , but i didn't co
Can u tell me how did u do it ? I'm also trying my best to activate gsm calling
Thank u
Thomas3G said:
That's from an Indian forum (not permitted to post link)
Don't know how true, but sounds interesting:
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this is one of the thing i am very much interested in. it would be nice if the developers can enable the calling for GTab 10.1.
This is one function that I have been looking forward to.
Sadly, I'm not well versed in programming. However, it's great to see that someone has already started on it.
Can't wait for it to be available.
Hi,
I've already bought a galaxy Note 3 n9006 from China and a day after it I came back to my country, but unfortunately I found it can not work with any Google applications and it can not add Google account and this is a very big problem for me, also it do not have any languages except English , Korean and Chinese. Can anybody help me? what should I do?
siamaknemati said:
Hi,
I've already bought a galaxy Note 3 n9006 from China and a day after it I came back to my country, but unfortunately I found it can not work with any Google applications and it can not add Google account and this is a very big problem for me, also it do not have any languages except English , Korean and Chinese. Can anybody help me? what should I do?
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You will need to go through the process of learning how to root and unlock the phone. I hope there will be enough support or assistance for you on this site and that it being an N9006 won't be too problematic.
I am in China, but went out of my way to avoid the N9002, N9006, N9008 or any other variant they are selling here. I get my hands on the N9005 in a few days, so time will tell if it actually bloody works or not in China. It wouldn't surprise me to find that we are stuck in the same same boat on different shores...
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s327374 said:
You will need to go through the process of learning how to root and unlock the phone. I hope there will be enough support or assistance for you on this site and that it being an N9006 won't be too problematic.
I am in China, but went out of my way to avoid the N9002, N9006, N9008 or any other variant they are selling here. I get my hands on the N9005 in a few days, so time will tell if it actually bloody works or not in China. It wouldn't surprise me to find that we are stuck in the same same boat on different shores...
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siamaknemati said:
Hi,
I've already bought a galaxy Note 3 n9006 from China and a day after it I came back to my country, but unfortunately I found it can not work with any Google applications and it can not add Google account and this is a very big problem for me, also it do not have any languages except English , Korean and Chinese. Can anybody help me? what should I do?
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Actually the process looks like it might be easy enough for us:
http://techbeasts.com/2013/09/27/ho...ot-samsung-galaxy-note-3-all-versions-guide/#
Describes the way to do it.
Then you'll probably need to stick the most recent GAPPS on it, if it isn't already on it.
Good luck and have fun getting through the nervousness of rooting your first (I presume) device.
Cheers.
Should I return the n9006?
Hi there - I'm living in Shanghai and just found this thread. I bought the sm-n9006 today and was excited until I started reading about region locking and non-LTE versions,etc.
This is my first Android device so I'm super new but the bloatware on this thing is annoying! I wanted to remove this stuff and get some Google apps installed but I can't even find the Google play app to get started.
I'm concerned that because it's the mainland china version that this is going to be a bigger pain than it's worth. Should I wait a few months and have a family member buy a US model? Any other reasons to stay clear of this china model?
Is rooting the device a must if I want to get full access to apps, etc.?
Also, it seems this model does not have LTE. Is that correct? I ravel/stay in the US over summer holidays. Any help/advice is greatly appreciated!
gaylonalfano said:
Hi there - I'm living in Shanghai and just found this thread. I bought the sm-n9006 today and was excited until I started reading about region locking and non-LTE versions,etc.
This is my first Android device so I'm super new but the bloatware on this thing is annoying! I wanted to remove this stuff and get some Google apps installed but I can't even find the Google play app to get started.
I'm concerned that because it's the mainland china version that this is going to be a bigger pain than it's worth. Should I wait a few months and have a family member buy a US model? Any other reasons to stay clear of this china model?
Is rooting the device a must if I want to get full access to apps, etc.?
Also, it seems this model does not have LTE. Is that correct? I ravel/stay in the US over summer holidays. Any help/advice is greatly appreciated!
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The bloatware won't be your main problem, it will be no access to google apps. I wouldn't worry about no LTE, you probably won't notice.
Importantly for Laowai, rooting is necessary, unless you are fluent in chinese, and can therefore use the Chinese markets and apps.
There are quite a few places online to find out how to unlock and root your device - this forum/link above/galaxynote3root.com/etc. I think you'll need about three to four hours of uninterrupted time (as a beginner), a pc (I've used a mac and it is annoying), fast-ish internet speed (to dowload the files), maybe a vpn to look at You tube clips that exemplify (eg, gfwvpn.com is handy and easy to install on both your computer and device), and only a small amount intellect.
You go through the process as above link or elsewhere, and then flash on an updated GAPPS zip if it isn't on the stuff you downloaded.
People here and elsewhere have really made it simple compared to when I first did mine (or maybe I have a little more knowledge). I'm only really just getting the hang of it all now and find it really enjoyable part of Android experience. Actually, just fell in love again with my S3 using CM... Wondering why I am going back to touch wiz, actually...
I'll know on Monday if it was the right choice for me after a day with the new giant phone.
Good luck.
Thanks for the post and information, I am new to android so it looks like I'll have to start doing my research. I am not fluent but certainly advanced so perhaps there are some Chinese options though I assume it'd be a better experience if I had it rooted instead.
Are you in SH by chance? I'd treat you to a coffee or something here in Pudong if so while you tutor me haha.
Thanks again for your help.
gaylonalfano said:
Thanks for the post and information, I am new to android so it looks like I'll have to start doing my research. I am not fluent but certainly advanced so perhaps there are some Chinese options though I assume it'd be a better experience if I had it rooted instead.
Are you in SH by chance? I'd treat you to a coffee or something here in Pudong if so while you tutor me haha.
Thanks again for your help.
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Sorry, mate. I'm BJ ren. I'm certain you'd be able to find someone in Shanghai who can root an Andoid device with that offer though.
Good luck.
Hah, no problem. I love BJ but our work is in SH for now. If the air quality would get better up north I'd be pushing to move to BJ.
SM-N9006 More than root needed?
I have the same SM-N9006 purchased in China and now back in the USA. Most of the Chinese in the phone was converted to English through the normal settings. The problem is the Apps... they are all Chinese and need to be replaced with English versions. The current ROM blocks all access to the Google Play Store, even if it is side loaded, it is forcibly closed when opened.
Would it not be better to re-ROM the phone with a Samsung stock ROM that will work with the N9006 hardware? Is there such a ROM?
Please be specific on the steps (not the how to's) that need to be taken to use the N9006 in the USA with the Play Store Apps.
Much Thanks in advance, I'm also a newbie on a learning curve.
Support for Safe Rooting ( non-Warranty Voiding )
Just as a side note guys,
@designgears & @Chainfire have developed a warranty safe root for other versions of our phone already.
For all of you who already know about the problem with KNOX and voiding your warranty once you root your phone join me on these posts to get us freed from all the worry
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2479952&page=151
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2487916
I just got this Note 3 SM-N9006, I think mine is rooted that it has everything as if it's normal Note 3 in the US. But I note that it does not show that it connects using 4G/LTE. Does it have 4G/LTE, air command, etc ... capabilities to turn on somehow?
Is there an app that display what really inside your note, I mean the actual hardware of the phone?
N9006 doesn't have 4G/LTE. air command is ok
Sent from my N9005 using Tapatalk
ciditin said:
I just got this Note 3 SM-N9006, I think mine is rooted that it has everything as if it's normal Note 3 in the US.
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Really? I wouldn't be too happy to buy a rooted phone from Samsung... you won't get one officially at least. Especially if you bought it in China that would mean its been messed with prior to you buying it. I like my phones coming rooted.
If you had them root it after them unboxing your phone ( hopefully not with Kingo App or some suspicious app that connects to the internet to do its thing ) then your fine. Provided you saw them unbox everything...its not a cheap phone.
If the serial numbers on the box and your phone match ( and the box has some Chinese ) then your fine.
If area under the removable battery didn't have any bright yellow sticker with lots of nasty looking Chinese text, then your fine.
If your in the U.S then its fine you don't need to worry about warranty.... as I am still currently in Shanghai I got mine official with a 2 year warranty.
Sorry if I sound too untrusting of phone sellers here. I have been told of the countless stories about how innocent people buy phones they assume are "new". Just recently I had to help my friend fight some store "official Samsung Store" owner for his replacement of a dead Note 2 dud ( you know those fake recycled phones that are sold in Shenzhen from HongKong that live for 4 months tops ).
HELP
I have a FAKE SM-N9006 (Thought was real coz I can access samsung app store). Thinking of installing CWM recovery which I did and now the phone keeps restarting after loading (not a bootloop, but continuous restarting. I can't flash nor restore as I can't no longer go into recovery mode through google MTK tools and hell no way of even entering download mode in the 1st place. Please HELP.:crying:
Jackwu696 said:
I have a FAKE SM-N9006 (Thought was real coz I can access samsung app store). Thinking of installing CWM recovery which I did and now the phone keeps restarting after loading (not a bootloop, but continuous restarting. I can't flash nor restore as I can't no longer go into recovery mode through google MTK tools and hell no way of even entering download mode in the 1st place. Please HELP.:crying:
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do you still have the phone?....PM me please
China made SM-N9006
Hey I got my self a china made note 3. I would very much like to root it to get some bloat ware off, and to also find a android version 5 rom to feel like a cool kid.
It doesn't have a download mode, that is replaced by a Chinese factory mode.
SHARING IS CARING
RW
(Exhibit 4g 2 & Note 3 User)
Can N9006 run 3G or 4G SOMEHOW? Or is there no workaround?
Hello, I am having the same issue someone mentioned about not getting 4G (or even 3G) with the SM-N900 (model N9006) Chinese Note 3. I did not see a solution to the initial post, though. My phone does everything else, but running on Edge is pretty shoddy. I called T-Mobile (my carrier), and they made me enter some settings into the "access point names" tab (apn protocol, port number, etc.). This did not resolve the problem, unfortunately. The back of the phone, under the battery, says it is 3G WCDMA + GSM. T-Mobile runs on GSM, so it should work, I am absolutely stumped. As I said, all the apps work, and it is running Jelly Bean, it's just the slow as molasses internet that bugs me. Is there some sort of solution to this? I could not really find anything worthwhile on any Google searches. Thanks in advance! :fingers-crossed:
I have n9006 and when I type the star and hash key it Cannot display and when switch the data off it automatically switch on and I don't know what to do with the phone,I cannot use it
Hi all.
This is my first post so be gentle.
I have recently purchased an S8. I am diabetic and i use Abbott Freestyle Libre to monitor my blood sugar. Libre uses NFC technology and a specific reader. There are a lot of apps (including an official one : LibreLink (which is not yet available in my country)) to get the readings.
When i first opened the package (S8) the first thing i did was to install Glimp (app from play store) which does the same thing as the reader. Gets the readings via NFC. It worked fine at the time. Then a notification for update came along and i did it. Ever since NFC works fine with other devices apart from the sensor i have. Glimp does no longer work.
I did some research on the internet and found out that a lot of people have the exact same problem as i had.
I contacted Samsung support and told me it is Abboots fault. I called Abbott and told me its samsungs fault. I called Glimp HQ and told me "No S8!" (lol). LibreLink was even became unavailable through playstore because of that reason.
How i solved it:
I downloaded the original samsung ROM that the mobile came with and installed it via Odin. It was the earliest one. AQCA. Since it was an official samsung ROM, the KNOX was not triggered and i am still on 0 (good news). Glimp and NFC are working as they should without a problem with this firmware.
The thing is that i would like to be able to get the updates without fear of having to roll back on the first rom and do the tiring procedure of restoring and backing up over and over again.
Does anyone know what they did from the AQCA to AQDD regarding the NFC?
Has anyone else solved the issue with any other way than mine?
Thank you in advance.
Don't do the updates it's still doesn't work and we are the 5th of july
I have the same issue, just that I am only thinking about buying a phone.
Regarding LibreLink, there seem to be several discussions around the Galaxy S7/S8 phones and trouble around the current firmware (S8) and the current LibreLink version (S7). The solution seems to be: use an APK LibreLink (S7) or an older firmware (S8) until someone solved the problems. Glimp doesn't seem to work at all with the S7 (non-edge), but LibreLink seems to.
All very strange!
Can you help me regarding the S8, All these firmware names are rather cryptic for an outsider. How can i find out if the firmware is still available for a specific model.
(I am in Switzerland, will buy a non-branded phone).
thanks!!
Regarding S8 firmware
christian.ry said:
I have the same issue, just that I am only thinking about buying a phone.
Regarding LibreLink, there seem to be several discussions around the Galaxy S7/S8 phones and trouble around the current firmware (S8) and the current LibreLink version (S7). The solution seems to be: use an APK LibreLink (S7) or an older firmware (S8) until someone solved the problems. Glimp doesn't seem to work at all with the S7 (non-edge), but LibreLink seems to.
All very strange!
Can you help me regarding the S8, All these firmware names are rather cryptic for an outsider. How can i find out if the firmware is still available for a specific model.
(I am in Switzerland, will buy a non-branded phone).
thanks!!
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I know it a strange problem.
Samsung messed it up real good this time.
Right now I am using only Glimp.
I have researched and did a lot of experiments to find out which firmware is ok to work with both applications.
Unfortunately, the earliest firmware that is for EU phones (Unlocked) is not early enough. There are other firmwares that came earlier to companies like Vodafone etc etc. These are the firmwares you need to download. Right now I am using the one that ends in AQCA, which is the earliest one. and it works fine.
I guess that you will have no problem flashing a firmware that is from another company (mine for example that it is the vodafone GR AQCA) and still work fine. The firmware you need is given by SwissCom and it is the same that I am using. No matter what you download make sure that the PDA ends in AQCA or AQC9.
Make sure that you flash ALL files from the firmware that you will download. Not just the AP, but all of them, else you will have different baseband versions and your phone would be messed up in different ways. And definitely, when the notification for update pops up, always choose LATER, or you will have to roll back again after the update is done.
Also, since it is an original firmware i guess, as it happened in my case too, the KNOX will not be triggered.
If you have any questions about how to do it, pm me, and i will be more than happy to help. It was really bad for me having an S8 and not be able to work with something so essential as blood monitoring which a 100$ lenovo would have no problem!!! I was ready to sell it.
That is actually helping a lot. For me it probably just means I won't buy the phone at all and since there is no reliable info on a high-end Android phone available, I will continue using the Freestyle-Reader.
But now that we're at it, do you know what the "AUT" in the other firmwares available for Switzerland means?
I understand the I'll need at least AQCA or AQC9, which is only available for the Swisscom formwares.
Since these are official firmwares, can the official Samsung tool (SmartSwitch) be used to flash them?
And thanks anyway, this was very helpful!
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That is actually helping a lot. For me it probably just means I won't buy the phone at all and since there is no reliable info on a high-end Android phone available, I will continue using the Freestyle-Reader.
But now that we're at it, do you know what the "AUT" in the other firmwares available for Switzerland means?
I understand the I'll need at least AQCA or AQC9, which is only available for the Swisscom formwares.
Since these are official firmwares, can the official Samsung tool (SmartSwitch) be used to flash them?
And thanks anyway, this was very helpful!
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Happy to help.
The AUT im not sure what it is but my guess is that has to do something with the region.
If you decide to finally buy the S8 then the only way to flash any ROM is the Odin application that circles around the net. Very easy to find.
Understand that this happens with S7 and S8 only and that is completely Samsungs fault.
I tried to work around with the freestyle libre reader when my S8 was updated and i did not find it useful at all. I had to always have the reader on me, where my S8 was already with me. I dont carry around a bag to have things in it and that is why it was not suitable for me. If you, on the other hand, have no problem carrying around the reader then i guess that having a libre-working phone pays no role.
SmartSwitch is a completely different tool. It only transfers data (contacts, logs, pictures, video, logs etc etc.) an not system, so this will not be in any case helpful.
Tip for reliable readings with Glimp:
Insert the blood levels from the reader into Glimp manually when u measure the blood sugar.
ex. You measure the blood sugar level with glimp and it states 100. The same minute measure the blood sugar lever with the freestyle libre reader and it states 88. Insert the 88 manually in to glimp the same moment you read it. That way the Glimp readjusts the algorithm that uses to better suit the readeer readings. After a day of re-adjustment the readings from Glimp are not so different from the reader. -5+ around.
If you need anything else, I ll be around and check this post regularly.
Other people need the information too, i guess.
Hey again,
I think we're having very much similar issues – I started with the reader when I got my first sensors and worked with it for about a year, which was great compared to the normal blood glucose measurements.
And now I am ready to change to Android (seems iOS will never happen) and realize that the Galaxy S4 that I am currently using (got it from a friend for free) is much more fidgety to use than the reader was.
By that I mean it can takes quite a while to get it realize the sensor and do the measurement, the reader did it in an instant. Is that similar with your S8? On the other hand I if course completely agree - having two devices to carry sucks, I just ask myself why is everyone making it so difficult for us?
There is another thread on reddit where someone also uses your method, I can share the link if necessary
Now - allow me two remaining questions:
- work with a firmware that cannot be updated – have you had any problems with other apps?
- how do I make sure the phone I buy in Switzerland will be able to use the UK firmware (or another)? You sound quite confident it will work though.
And finally – are you aware of any other state-of-the-art phone that actually does all this without issues? The only one I heard of is the S7 edge, but with other phones we are completely left alone with LibreLink. Doh. I even thought of creating a facebook page that collects information about that.
Now thanks again for your help, feels good to finally not be alone with the issue
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Hey again,
I think we're having very much similar issues – I started with the reader when I got my first sensors and worked with it for about a year, which was great compared to the normal blood glucose measurements.
And now I am ready to change to Android (seems iOS will never happen) and realize that the Galaxy S4 that I am currently using (got it from a friend for free) is much more fidgety to use than the reader was.
By that I mean it can takes quite a while to get it realize the sensor and do the measurement, the reader did it in an instant. Is that similar with your S8? On the other hand I if course completely agree - having two devices to carry sucks, I just ask myself why is everyone making it so difficult for us?
There is another thread on reddit where someone also uses your method, I can share the link if necessary
Now - allow me two remaining questions:
- work with a firmware that cannot be updated – have you had any problems with other apps?
- how do I make sure the phone I buy in Switzerland will be able to use the UK firmware (or another)? You sound quite confident it will work though.
And finally – are you aware of any other state-of-the-art phone that actually does all this without issues? The only one I heard of is the S7 edge, but with other phones we are completely left alone with LibreLink. Doh. I even thought of creating a facebook page that collects information about that.
Now thanks again for your help, feels good to finally not be alone with the issue
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Well, The readings with the sensor are so much faster than with the phone because the whole reader is an NFC antenna, where in the case of the phone you have to completely match the antenna surface with the sensors surface. Look up in the internet to find in which part of the phone (S4) is the NFC antenna located for better (faster) readings. As you look the back of the S4 is in the right side of the camera flash.
Yes, i have seen the reddit thread. Its pretty much the same as what i have done. Same problem - same solution.
There also been cases with S7 (not S7 edge) with the same problem. I dont know why Edge is working but the normal one does not.
As for other phones, the one that i was having before the S8 was the oneplus 3T (one of the greatest phones around - extremely powerful). Now oneplus launches the oneplus 5 (20 of June), which i believe will beat the S8 in benchmarks and performance. Oneplus 3T was better than S7. The good thing about oneplus is that you do not loose the warranty if you root it or flash a custom OS. Basically, there is no way to loose the warranty with oneplus whatsoever. And since its one of the most popular phones around the Android community, if the stock rom does not work (extremely unlikely) you can flash another one and still be in top ranks.
I can only suggest though, and be absolutely sure for, phones that i have tested. We have seen what happened with the S8. The one minute was working and after the update not so much... I could start a list and post the brand and the firmware of the phone of phones that work with Glimp (LibreLink is still unavailable in my country). But if it works with the one will work with the other.
As of the confidence that the firmware swapping will work:
I could try it on my phone and tell you.
I mean - my S8 was bought in Greece and it was a branded Vodafone phone. I could flash the SwissCom firmware that will supposedly work with the phone that you will buy and tell you.
Sadly for you (happily for me) I do not have a facebook page or any other social networking page to be part of it.
Hey again
Thanks for the a kind offer (flashing), but it is not necessary. I think I won’t go for the S8 until the issues are resolved or it at least is more clear.
I just tried an S7 with an older LibreLink Version (someone reported it works, I guess you’ve seen that too). It did exactly once, before destroying the sensor (I had only 1-2 days left, so thought I just give it a shot). But I should have known better ?
The OneTouch sounds indeed like a good option, let’s see how it finally looks!
Thanks for helping me!
christian.ry said:
Hey again
Thanks for the a kind offer (flashing), but it is not necessary. I think I won’t go for the S8 until the issues are resolved or it at least is more clear.
I just tried an S7 with an older LibreLink Version (someone reported it works, I guess you’ve seen that too). It did exactly once, before destroying the sensor (I had only 1-2 days left, so thought I just give it a shot). But I should have known better
The OneTouch sounds indeed like a good option, let’s see how it finally looks!
Thanks for helping me!
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No problem.
There is a very informative list of devices in the website of Glimp somewhere that states which phone tend to destroy the sensors. I managed to find it once and never again.
The S8 has been tiring for me the past few days with all the problems it has and the problems that have yet to come. I didnt know that Samsung was that unreliable.
Thankfully the S8 is the TOP samsung phone right now in the market and i will have no problem selling it in a good price. I will return to the OnePlus which has the best customer service and no complex whatsoever regarding custom ROMs and device modifications.
I just hope samsung will make it up for all the trouble people have been through at some point.
Good luck all.
PS. In any point in the future, if someone has a problem with S8 devices regarding Glimp and how to make it work properly, feel free to pm me.
Seems like neither Samsung nor Glimp have any intentions to solve the matter.
I, therefore, sold my S8 and bought an LG G6.
My impression are way way better than the S8s.
The G6 NFC antenna is huge and it acts very similar to the reader, meaning that i do not have to get too close to get the reading. This is the only mobile phone that i have seen doing that.
I know that the G6 is worse than the S8 in many ways but it works so much better with the Freestyle.
Hello, I have the same problem and unfortunatelly I have to use old firmware.
I noticed that Samsung pushed new update (16.07.2017) - I found that on sammobile.
Have anyone tried this update (maybe they fixed nfc issue)?
The issue has been solved at least in my s8 librelink and glimp works with the last update
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The issue has been solved at least in my s8 librelink and glimp works with the last update
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WOW!!!! It's great! This update prompt in notifications is so annoying...... Can you check in the settings exact version number? I mean G950FXXU1............... ?
Good news! Great news.
Someone in the Samsung company has been listening.
Good to know they take into consideration all that have been around.
I have already soled my S8 though so i cannot confirm it but i would take your word for it since you have been having the same problem with everyone else and it has been solved.
Cheers.
Now I can confirm that all issues are gone I installed new software G950FXXU1AQG5 (I'm from Poland, XEO version) and everything is ok.
LibreLink app usage
Hi,
I confirm that since the last software update, Samsung Galaxy S8 eventually is able to read the Freestyle Libre Sensors.
Although, can you share your experience on how do you use the official LibreLink application for countries which the android/iOS app has not yet been released?
I 've tried to download the android .apk with the check for the country disabled from apkpure.com, or even downloaded the official app via VPN (i.e. from Italy) but I got an error message for the compatibility of the country at the very beginning of the app.
Thus, I used the Lucky Patcher app to reproduce the official Italian valid version of the .apk by only removing the compatibility checks. Finally, I bypass the country check and I can proceed to read the sensor. But still I get another error: "Incompatible Sensor. This sensor cannot be used with this version of LibreLink."
Any ideas? Has anybody managed to do it successfully?
Thank you.
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No problem.
There is a very informative list of devices in the website of Glimp somewhere that states which phone tend to destroy the sensors. I managed to find it once and never again.
The S8 has been tiring for me the past few days with all the problems it has and the problems that have yet to come. I didnt know that Samsung was that unreliable.
Thankfully the S8 is the TOP samsung phone right now in the market and i will have no problem selling it in a good price. I will return to the OnePlus which has the best customer service and no complex whatsoever regarding custom ROMs and device modifications.
I just hope samsung will make it up for all the trouble people have been through at some point.
Good luck all.
PS. In any point in the future, if someone has a problem with S8 devices regarding Glimp and how to make it work properly, feel free to pm me.
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The website you're looking for is this one most likely: deebee.it/?p=4959
Code:
=== Supported NFC Smartphones
LG_G3
LG_WATCH_URBANE_2
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_A3
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_ACE3
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_S3
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_S3_NEO
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_S4
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_S4_MINI
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_S7_EDGE
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_S8
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_S8_PLUS
=== Not Supported Smartphones
BLACKBERRY_Z10
=== Not recommended NFC Smartphones
HUAWEI_HONOR_V8
HUAWEI_NEXUS_6P
HUAWEI_P8_LITE
GOOGLE_PIXEL
LG_K8
LG_NEXUS_5
LG_NEXUX_5X
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_CORE_PRIME
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_GRAND_PRIME
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_A3_2016
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_J3
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_NOTE5
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_S7
SAMSUNG_GALAXY_YOUNG2
XIAOMI_MI5
XIAOMI_MIX
Mini-rant
OK, so I have to rant (just briefly) about the whole state of Samsung phones at the moment. Basically, we spend gobs of money on expensive devices and get locked down pre-loaded junk in return. Oh, they are physically impressive, have good specs, and are aesthetically nice gadgets. But would you spend $1600 bucks on a new laptop that came with software you couldn’t remove and could only be upgraded for the next 4 years?!?!
I have wanted to experiment with LineageOS for years. I bought a used Samsung S8+ in 2018 and quickly found out that LineageOS was a no go because Samsung locks the bootloaders on all US and Canadian models. So, that was never going to happen unless some guru found a hack.
Now, five years later, I went out of my way to find a Global/European S10+ (an SM-G975F) specifically so that I could install LineageOS. Now, I managed to do that easily enough. But now I am stuck with a phone that has poor reception and slow LTE speeds because it is missing LTE bands used in Canada (i.e. the SM-G975F uses different bands than the SM-G975W).
So here we are… making tradeoffs again.
And while I like fiddling with things like this, I have to wonder... why are we here in the first place? I just want a phone that doesn’t come preloaded with junk that I don’t want. I don’t want Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, TikTok or even Office 365 pre-installed and non-removable. It is like moving into a new house and finding out that the builder picked out furniture for the living room and, while you can push it off to the side and cover it with a blanket, you can never actually remove it. Why is the builder picking out furniture for me in the first place?
Some will say they like the furniture the builder picked. Most will say they don’t hate it or that they found a way to cover it up sufficiently that they don’t really notice it anymore. That isn’t really the point though, is it?
LineageOS on the other hand comes with nothing that it shouldn’t. Oh, and you can have LineageOS if you like (if you stand on your head and find a way to order a phone from another market) but then you have crummy reception forever. Oh, and when you are done you are a 2nd class citizen who can't use the NFC chip on his/her phone to pay for things because you were a "bad person" who found a way to remove the builder's sofa from your living room.
Oh, there are tricks… download this tool or that… but some don’t work anymore because of update XYZ…
Why can’t I just turn on the LTE bands I need??!?! Like, seriously, why not?!?!
Or better yet, why doesn’t my phone do it for me when it sees the Bell SIM card?!?!
Whose phone is this anyway?!?!
The state of Samsung phones in North America is garbage. Full stop. Pure garbage. No, I am not being too harsh.
1) All phones should come with basic firmware that makes the phone work and nothing else. The phone should not be used as an on-ramp into whichever ecosystem is paying the manufacturer more. OEM apps (i.e. Samung Calculator, Samsung DeX, etc.) are fine but no 3rd party junk like Facebook and Instagram. That is what the store is for.
2) All bootloaders should be unlockable and re-lockable once custom firmware is loaded if that firmware is itself signed. No "tripping Knox" or this nonsense.
3) All radio/LTE/carrier settings should be accessible and customizable with easily selectable presets for major carriers worldwide.
Anything else is a closed ecosystem that doesn't respect your basic property rights.
OK, done ranting... Maybe someone from Samsung will notice and maybe it will make a difference.
Best regards,
The Fish
I run two stock N10+'s, a N975U and a N975U1.
Running on Android 9* and 10 respectively. Neither have had their firmware upgraded. I use Package Disabler to block about 70-80 apks and settings are heavily optimized. Both run fast, stable and fullfill their mission with almost no issues and little maintenance. Excellent SOT and standby time.
Both are compatible with AT&T and as such there are no reception issues. You check and verify this before you purchase. Slam the sim card in and they're good to go. Once optimized and running well, don't upgrade firmware or update apps and it will run fine for years. Don't do the above and you will need to find work arounds... if they exist.
Current load on this N10+ will be 3yo this June. No malware during that time. Still looks, feels and runs like new. Only repair has been a battery. After a steep learning curve I'm very pleased with these devices. They are still a joy to use. However I can't say the same for the proceeding Samsung flagships and will never own one of them for a litany of reasons*.
Samsung phones with/in this SOC/generation can run well in capable hands, stock, if used as described.
*has last Android 9 firmware update
**lol, don't get me started
blackhawk said:
Neither have had their firmware upgraded. I use Package Disabler to block about 70-80 apks and settings are heavily optimized. Both run fast, stable and fullfill their mission with almost no issues and little maintenance.
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This kind of proves my point. I am not saying there isn't a way to get your Samsung phone running the way you want it. I am saying that the hoops we have to jump through and the tradeoffs we have to make are unacceptable.
Why do you have to use Package Disabler to block about 70-80 apks?!?! Why should you have to block *any* APKs at all?
Why do you have to stick with old, outdated firmware? Why do you have to make this tradeoff? Why do we have to have a hostile relationship with Samsung?
Why can't we have a nice phone, no bloatware, no junk, no apps we don't want. Get updates for a reasonable amount of time (i.e. till the hardware no longer supports it)?
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Both are compatible with AT&T and as such there are no reception issues. You check and verify this before you purchase. Slam the sim card in and they're good to go.
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Sure. And I knew ahead of time when I purchased the Global S10+ (the SM-G975F) that it didn't support all the same LTE bands as the Canadian model (the SM-G975W). But again, I had to make tradeoffs because I wanted to run LineageOS. Again, why do we have to choose between two crummy options?!?! Where are the good options?!?
I am daring to imagine a world where this is better. Really, we used to have phones locked to service providers and 5-year contracts. Those were the bad old days. But these days right now (with the bloatware, etc.) are also not great. It reminds me of the Windows XP era of PCs where you would buy a new PC and be prompted to sign up for 100 different services upon initial bootup. Only difference then was you could re-install the operating system on your PC and free yourself from the OEM bloatware. But now, with phones, they make even that impossible with locked bootloaders.
Basically, if I could unlock the bootloader of a Canadian SM-G975W that would be ideal. Any why isn't it like that anyway?!?! Isn't that the way it should be to begin with?
Locked bootloaders with no option to unlock should be illegal.
The Fish
thefish123 said:
This kind of proves my point. I am not saying there isn't a way to get your Samsung phone running the way you want it. I am saying that the hoops we have to jump through and the tradeoffs we have to make are unacceptable.
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I'm a pragmatist, I use what works.
thefish123 said:
Why do you have to use Package Disabler to block about 70-80 apks?!?! Why should you have to block *any* APKs at all?
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It's only blocking what I consider bloatware. 10 or 15 of those apks are apps I installed but chose to kept disabled 99% of the time.
thefish123 said:
Why do you have to stick with old, outdated firmware? Why do you have to make this tradeoff? Why do we have to have a hostile relationship with Samsung?
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It's your choice to upgrade and there's no reason to upgrade if the firmware is fulfilling its mission if you're running Android 9 or higher. If you lack wherewithal you pay a price...
thefish123 said:
Why can't we have a nice phone, no bloatware, no junk, no apps we don't want. Get updates for a reasonable amount of time (i.e. till the hardware no longer supports it)?
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Updates and upgrades aren't needed on an optimized device that's running well. New phones with the newest firmware are running like crap in case you didn't notice. Very little speed increase in most routine activities and horrible SOT on most.
thefish123 said:
Sure. And I knew ahead of time when I purchased the Global S10+ (the SM-G975F) that it didn't support all the same LTE bands as the Canadian model (the SM-G975W). But again, I had to make tradeoffs because I wanted to run LineageOS. Again, why do we have to choose between two crummy options?!?! Where are the good options?!?
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Well you knew there be connectivity issues and that should have flagged it. Custom roms have custom problems with a limited user/support base.
thefish123 said:
I am daring to imagine a world where this is better. Really, we used to have phones locked to service providers and 5-year contracts. Those were the bad old days. But these days right now (with the bloatware, etc.) are also not great. It reminds me of the Windows XP era of PCs where you would buy a new PC and be prompted to sign up for 100 different services upon initial bootup. Only difference then was you could re-install the operating system on your PC and free yourself from the OEM bloatware. But now, with phones, they make even that impossible with locked bootloaders.
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It's not that bad if you shop smart. I bought out my AT&T N10+ at 2 years. It's almost identical to my carrier unlocked variant. I want the boot loader locked for security. No way I'm touching the firmware as these are premium flagships that run extremely well as is. I have very little to gain and lots to lose... including time.
thefish123 said:
Basically, if I could unlock the bootloader of a Canadian SM-G975W that would be ideal. Any why isn't it like that anyway?!?! Isn't that the way it should be to begin with?
Locked bootloaders with no option to unlock should be illegal.
The Fish
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You buy Samsung flagships for the premium hardware and then work within the framework that's available and what works best for you. You can root the Exynos variants but their hardware is almost always inferior to the Snaps. Consequences.
At this point both Samsung and Android newest products are so out of line that they are unusable to me. I don't care what they do, screw them. I'm in a holding pattern for 3+ more years happily using my N10+'s... I don't care. All my issues are worked out because I threw time at them to do so and I'm very satisfied with the outcome.
In 3+ years I will reevaluate the situation and decide what to do. Right now as things stand I don't reccomend any new Samsung's or anything Android version above Android 10. Unfortunately I have no easy solutions for you other than what I did. Even that isn't simple fix but it's a zero risk fix. I refuse to risk damaging these N10+'s by mucking with their firmware unless its needed for repair.
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Well you knew there be connectivity issues and that should have flagged it. Custom roms have custom problems with a limited user/support base.
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The reason I purchased this specific model was so that I could run a custom ROM. But the connectivity issues are not caused by the custom rom. They are caused by the fact that I am using a phone designed for a different market where different LTE bands are used.
And yes, I knew that ahead of time. And I am not regretting that. But you are missing the point. The radio in my phone is perfectly capable of using the LTE bands that my carrier uses. So why shouldn't there be a straightforward way to enable them?
What if I used to live in Europe and moved to Canada? Should I be forced to buy a new phone just because Samsung doesn't let me change LTE bands? Or if I travel between Europe and Canada on business then I just have to suffer with crummy reception?
My point is one of ownership, property rights.
thefish123 said:
The reason I purchased this specific model was so that I could run a custom ROM. But the connectivity issues are not caused by the custom rom. They are caused by the fact that I am using a phone designed for a different market where different LTE bands are used.
And yes, I knew that ahead of time. And I am not regretting that. But you are missing the point. The radio in my phone is perfectly capable of using the LTE bands that my carrier uses. So why shouldn't there be a straightforward way to enable them?
What if I used to live in Europe and moved to Canada? Should I be forced to buy a new phone just because Samsung doesn't let me change LTE bands? Or if I travel between Europe and Canada on business then I just have to suffer with crummy reception?
My point is one of ownership, property rights.
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Connectivity is paramount. Regardless of what your user rights should be, you need to work within the limits of the options available. The square peg round hole thing...
You may be able to enable those bands and that's probably where you should be directing your energy. I purposely try to avoid having to do that as much as possible and never had to. You dove down the rabbit hole, hopefully it's not too deep. Try looking at the hidden phone user settings first... I guess.
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Connectivity is paramount. Regardless of what your user rights should be, you need to work within the limits of the options available. The square peg round hole thing...
You may be able to enable those bands and that's probably where you should be directing your energy. I purposely try to avoid having to do that as much as possible and never had to. You dove down the rabbit hole, hopefully it's not too deep. Try looking at the hidden phone user settings first... I guess.
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Yes, I agree. Being a phone is the most important thing that a phone does. And I am directing my energies in that direction as well. But in the process, it occures to me that a messed-up antagonistic anti-customer ecosystem this whole thing is. We would *never* accept this from a computer company, a car manufacturer, or a home builder. Yet, for some reason, we accept it from phone makers like Samsung and that we need to work within these [artificially imposed] limits.
Anyway, yes, there used to be a hidden phone menu (why hidden?) that would have let me enable the bands that I need. But Samsung removed it sometime last year with an update. Again, why?!?!
I'll keep looking. I'm sure I will figure out something in time inspite of Samsung, not because of them.
The Fish
What OS version are you on?
The band selections are probably still there although means of access may have changed.
My knowledge in this area is very limited. The sim card always configured it perfectly for me.
Best to check with your carrier to be sure that phone model is on their white list.
You could try seeing if someone help you from your carrier tech support...sometimes you get lucky if you try enough.
blackhawk said:
What OS version are you on?
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I am running LineageOS 19.1.
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The band selections are probably still there although means of access may have changed.
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The band selection app is categorically *not* there anymore because it A) it was part of the Samsung firmware and B) even if I was on Samsung firmware it wouldn't be there anymore either because Samsung removed it.
There used to be a tool you could download that would allow you to access the "hidden" band selection app. But it stopped working because Samsung removed the hidden app altogeather. Like I said in my original post on this thread "Oh, there are tricks… download this tool or that… but some don’t work anymore because of update XYZ…"
My point is that the whole nonsense of disabled bands and locked bootloaders is infuriating. I is like buying a computer that can only access the internet at full speed in Europe and if you fly to Canada and use it there you get penalized with 1/2 speed. Oh, and even through you could change it with the flip of a switch that switch is buried, disabled, hidden behind locked doors.
The Google Pixel 7 Pro has all the bands turned on (i.e. there is one phone for the whole world) and the boot loader is unlocked. Just saying...
At some point I will probably prevail in getting the bands I need turned on. And then I will likely be very happy with this phone for the next 5+ years. But none of that changes the fact that this anti-consumer predatory behavior on the part of Samsung is unacceptable.
The Fish