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The functionality of the navbar can be modified extensively. You can make it autohide like the dock in OS X or the taskbar in windows, you can add custom buttons to it, change the location of the buttons, change what the buttons do and give them longpress functionality, and so forth.
But you can't make it do the one thing that makes PIE brilliant: be always hidden, and pop up instantly as you slide from an edge onto a button, and simultaneously and instantaneously disappear and activate the button as you lift your finger.
So I like the PIE metaphor, but I don't like its semicircle shape or the fact that you can't customize it. Therefore, how can I give the navbar the functionality that PIE has, underlined above? Or, not as good but still better than default PIE, how can I make PIE flat instead of semicircle?
Personally I hate PIE, find it annoying. I hope it never finds a way into AOSP.
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Personally I hate PIE, find it annoying. I hope it never finds a way into AOSP.
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That's fine. It's also completely irrelevant lol... I'm just looking for info on how I can modify the navbar to have PIE functionality (or alternatively, how to change PIE to a flat shape like the navbar).
You're right. I probably shouldn't have posted.
I've been wanting the same thing. Hopefully its possible.
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Personally I hate PIE, find it annoying. I hope it never finds a way into AOSP.
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You know you can disable it right? Even on PA you don't have to use PIE if you don't want to.
why not simply using tablet ui. you get one small combined bar, left side buttons right side status informations and notifications.
personally i love the pie idea *not the flat bar* coz of full screen gaming..
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why not simply using tablet ui. you get one small combined bar, left side buttons right side status informations and notifications.
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Because that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. It doesn't feature what I explained above..."the one thing that makes PIE brilliant: be always hidden, and pop up instantly as you slide from an edge onto a button, and simultaneously and instantaneously disappear and activate the button as you lift your finger."
It's the combination of not being on the screen ever except for a split second, and the ability to slide onto a button and lift up to activate it.
You are a developer, do you know what I would have to modify to make the navbar function like this? Or, alternatively, to make PIE in a flat, navbar-like theme instead of sci-fi semicircle?
I think PIE beats any cyonegen ROM functions...PIE will end up being part of android OS in the future, its so simple and clean, it can't be annoying because the blackberry z10 utilizes touch/swipe everything to use the phone..
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I think PIE beats any cyonegen ROM functions...PIE will end up being part of android OS in the future, its so simple and clean, it can't be annoying because the blackberry z10 utilizes touch/swipe everything to use the phone..
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Please stay on topic. We are not discussing the merits of pie in here.
OP what you requested should be possible. However, whether someone will step up to the challenge is a different question.
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I think another idea about Pie, would be to have a Navbar that comes up like pie. I mean, that when you drag the finger up from the bottom, rather than having a semicircle (pie) shape, you could have the a rectangular bar with buttons (something like the nav bar). So rather than dragging the finger diagonally to the buttons, the user could drag up(start rectangular pie) and then drag to the left or right.
I know it sounds a bit wonky, but I think it's a neat idea. I would make a few conceptual images later today. IMO pie in it's current form is amazing. I am really looking forward to see where Pie development goes.
I believe AOKP has a navbar option that auto-hides it with a small trigger to bring it back up, similar to the Windows auto-hide taskbar option.
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I think another idea about Pie, would be to have a Navbar that comes up like pie. I mean, that when you drag the finger up from the bottom, rather than having a semicircle (pie) shape, you could have the a rectangular bar with buttons (something like the nav bar). So rather than dragging the finger diagonally to the buttons, the user could drag up(start rectangular pie) and then drag to the left or right
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That's EXACTLY what I'm describing. I love PIE, I don't love the semicircle shape, I prefer a bar shape. At the same time, you can customize the navbar but you can't customize PIE, so I'd like to just give PIE functionality to the navbar.
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I believe AOKP has a navbar option that auto-hides it with a small trigger to bring it back up, similar to the Windows auto-hide taskbar option.
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Ya a lot of ROMs do. It doesn't really accomplish anything like what PIE does (as described in my posts above). That's why I'm trying to give PIE functionality to the navbar.
It doesn't really seem like it would be very complicated to theme PIE into a flat bar shape, to look like the navbar. I'm willing to do the coding if someone can explain what I need to do. Really though, like I've been saying, the navbar is customizable whereas PIE isn't, so I'd prefer to code PIE functionality into the navbar.
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That's EXACTLY what I'm describing. I love PIE, I don't love the semicircle shape, I prefer a bar shape. At the same time, you can customize the navbar but you can't customize PIE, so I'd like to just give PIE functionality to the navbar.
Ya a lot of ROMs do. It doesn't really accomplish anything like what PIE does (as described in my posts above). That's why I'm trying to give PIE functionality to the navbar.
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I suppose there's some difference. I use LMT to get PIE controls on CM 10.1 (the default implementation is pretty limited) and it's not much different from the AOKP feature I mentioned. I hope you find what you're looking for.
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Please stay on topic. We are not discussing the merits of pie in here.
OP what you requested should be possible. However, whether someone will step up to the challenge is a different question.
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And the topic is about PIE so all things related can be said
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And the topic is about PIE so all things related can be said
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No it is not. The topic of this thread is about whether it is possible to create a hybrid of pie and the navbar with the appearance of the navbar but with the functionality of PIE. If you wish to discuss the navbar, you are free to discuss it in your own thread.
Furthermore, this thread is in the Q&A section. OP asked a question, so your post should answer his question. This is not General Discussion.
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That's EXACTLY what I'm describing. I love PIE, I don't love the semicircle shape, I prefer a bar shape. At the same time, you can customize the navbar but you can't customize PIE, so I'd like to just give PIE functionality to the navbar.
Ya a lot of ROMs do. It doesn't really accomplish anything like what PIE does (as described in my posts above). That's why I'm trying to give PIE functionality to the navbar.
It doesn't really seem like it would be very complicated to theme PIE into a flat bar shape, to look like the navbar. I'm willing to do the coding if someone can explain what I need to do. Really though, like I've been saying, the navbar is customizable whereas PIE isn't, so I'd prefer to code PIE functionality into the navbar.
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Why not send an email to the PA developers? The codes should be available, so all you really need to ask is which section of the code affects PIE.
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No it is not. The topic of this thread is about whether it is possible to create a hybrid of pie and the navbar with the appearance of the navbar but with the functionality of PIE. If you wish to discuss the navbar, you are free to discuss it in your own thread
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Why not send an email to the PA developers? The codes should be available, so all you really need to ask is which section of the code affects PIE.
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You like quoting people I see, how about you quote the person that said they didn't like pie? Its the 2nd or 3rd post..who wants a pie nave bar when its doesn't need to be messed with, don't quote me a 3rd I won't respond
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This mod works on the n4. I used it early on before pie caught on. U can use the full screen toggle app with button savior app. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1497558
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Please get out of this thread unless, like snapper.fishes said, you have information on how to mod a hybrid with the appearance and customizability of the navbar and the functionality of PIE.
DowntownJeffBrown said:
This mod works on the n4...
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Thanks but it's not at all what I'm trying to accomplish. People have offered up various alternatives so I should be clear:
What PIE does is very unique, and things like hidden navbar and button savior are entirely unlike it. It's the mechanism of sliding from an edge > buttons appear > lift finger > button activates as the menu disappears. It's a very brilliant, modern paradigm, seen in UIs like Ubuntu Phone
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I feel like they wouldn't care what I have to say, though I guess it's worth a shot... Really I thought I could find an answer fairly quick around here but that's not panning out so well lol.
Hey. I have always wondered, why is it not possible when having transparent navbar in the apps? Just look at LG G2, its transparent in the camera and on the homescreen, so why isnt it possible? Or is it to hard to code?
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Hey. I have always wondered, why is it not possible when having transparent navbar in the apps? Just look at LG G2, its transparent in the camera and on the homescreen, so why isnt it possible? Or is it to hard to code?
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I've seen it a few times in custom ROMs - Carbon I think? I remember crdroid used to have it as well, but not on purpose
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I've seen it a few times in custom ROMs - Carbon I think? I remember crdroid used to have it as well, but not on purpose
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Ahaa yea i have also seen it in chrome browser with paranoid, but as you say not on purpuse, more a bug.. But i think maybe the people that are more intrested in these codes and things and more experience than me should look in G2s framework and see what the can find Its transparent in the camera as you can see on pictures.
Slimbean and Odyssey have it, that's why I stick to them...I love that feature. It's my alternative to pie, trans navbar and hidden and trans sbar. I'm on Odyssey now and love it just as much as I did illusion on 4.2, illusion was also based on slim. I've attached a pic of my home screen, to give you an idea.
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Slimbean and Odyssey have it, that's why I stick to them...I love that feature. It's my alternative to pie, trans navbar and hidden and trans sbar. I'm on Odyssey now and love it just as much as I did illusion on 4.2, illusion was also based on slim. I've attached a pic of my home screen, to give you an idea.
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Oh sweet But is that only on the homescreen? I have carbon and if its only on the homescreen and statusbar, then i have i also, but i want in the apps
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Oh sweet But is that only on the homescreen? I have carbon and if its only on the homescreen and statusbar, then i have i also, but i want in the apps
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I had that feature once, don't remember the Rom but when I enabled it, it made it somewhat harder to navigate because very often the background is white or a very light color. Another option is to change the height of your nav bar in settings, other than that try PIE.
Fwiw, I prefer the lack of transparency on the nav bar in apps.
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I had that feature once, don't remember the Rom but when I enabled it, it made it somewhat harder to navigate because very often the background is white or a very light color. Another option is to change the height of your nav bar in settings, other than that try PIE.
Fwiw, I prefer the lack of transparency on the nav bar in apps.
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Okey. Yea i guess that feature is not ment to be working.
I have carbon now, but it hasnt the PIE, so i guess i have to go with the regular bar.
The reason is because most apps do not draw behind the status bar. So even if it is transparent. It will still show as black because there is nothing behind it.
That is why for those with the transparent notification it only works on the launcher, lock screen & a few apps.
On previous phones I have had some modifications include stretching apps out so that they are behind the status bar resulting in a transparent bar always working however I'm not sure I've seen any such mod for the nexus 4
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Some of you asked me what you could/couldn't change on the device, here's a few videos showing off what you can do free out of the box. If you want to see anything else, feel free to ask
Fonts
Icon Theming
Keyboard Themes
Messaging Theming
Lock Screen
Navigation Buttons
Themes
What about the lock screen customizations?
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What about the lock screen customizations?
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Ah, yes...you can customize that as well. There's 5 slots for any app you'd like to launch as well as no icons. Also able to change unlock animation for it. I'll post another quick video about that tomorrow as well
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Oh can you change nav buttons around?
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Oh can you change nav buttons around?
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Yea, that's possible
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How to get redit of screen lock customization...?
Preloaded videos
Thanx 4 ur hard work.
Off topic:Bro can u plz upload the preloaded videos not on the youtube...
I liked it to untouched quality...
devguruXochitl said:
How to get redit of screen lock customization...?
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Wut?
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devguruXochitl said:
How to get redit of screen lock customization...?
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You can't...that's a Google thing. Not LG.
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Here's the Messaging Theming, it's super minimal
Also the Lock Screen
Here's the Icon Theming
Info
These official customization features are awesome
How can devs can develop for these features?
i m not LG user but i wanna know if thr s way for example to make theme or etc for this official customizations?
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Nice vids. Thanks
The home screen icon "customization" is pretty disappointing. No support for icon packs? Lame. I wonder if Smart Bulletin will be worthwhile enough to keep me from switching to Nova like I always do.
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The home screen icon "customization" is pretty disappointing. No support for icon packs? Lame. I wonder if Smart Bulletin will be worthwhile enough to keep me from switching to Nova like I always do.
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Actually if themes add support for LG Home it will, only found 1 theme which does ;}
If only they included a way to make the on screen navigation buttons smaller. Guess we'll have to rely on eXposed.
So being overwhelmed with joy, I didn't spend much time searching to see if this was already stated... none-the-less, Substratum themes work great on Stock Oreo, rootless, with the help of Andromeda. Here's a guide if needed: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ap...top-clients-release-notes-t3668682?styleid=18
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...those "thin"navbar icons may slow burn-in. ...allegedly.
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Indeed. I'm trying Archangel's blank navbar for that purpose until all that gets figured out.
Any substratum themes that make the nav bar set to 0
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Any substratum themes that make the nav bar set to 0
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Maybelle pointed one out, here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.amazed.navbars&hl=en
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Maybelle pointed one out, here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.amazed.navbars&hl=en
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Oh, awesome! You can adjust the height to 0?
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Oh, awesome! You can adjust the height to 0?
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Sorry, no, I misunderstood. There's a blank Navbar theme you can use. its there, just invisible.
Here's a good one if you're like me and like to have more than 3 columns for your quick toggles.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.msfjarvis.substweaks&hl=en
I've been running for half a day so far all is well..
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How has everybody's experience been with Substratum and apps? I love the theming capability, but keep on having certain apps force close. This is my first attempt with Substratum so I am sure I am doing something wrong, but not quite sure where to look. I have ensured that apps are all updated, and I choose the correct version on theme application, but I still end up with certain apps crashing. For example, I was using swift black (very nice btw) and Google photos and facebook messenger would force close. Is it best to only theme system stuff and leave apps alone? Or is swift black to blame? Or am I doing something wrong like I suspect?
It depends greatly on the themers, but can be easily broken by an app update. Themers like de Jan, Niklas Schnettler, Jeremy Beck, I could go on... Are very thorough and quick about updating themes. One approach is to Apply all the Overlays, as I'm sure you've done, but if an app crashes, just go back into Substratum and reapply the specific app overlay. If this doesn't help (oh, and reboot) then remove, uninstall or disable that specific app overlay. I'd say I probably have a an 80% success rate on all Overlays working perfectly on a given theme. (I have maybe 15 apps over and above stock) You could also just not theme apps, and only system and the base stock apps. It will still be gorgeous...
Try these: Outline, Mono, (anything from DeJan or Kohlewrrk) Spectrum, Aligned)
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How has everybody's experience been with Substratum and apps? I love the theming capability, but keep on having certain apps force close. This is my first attempt with Substratum so I am sure I am doing something wrong, but not quite sure where to look. I have ensured that apps are all updated, and I choose the correct version on theme application, but I still end up with certain apps crashing. For example, I was using swift black (very nice btw) and Google photos and facebook messenger would force close. Is it best to only theme system stuff and leave apps alone? Or is swift black to blame? Or am I doing something wrong like I suspect?
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I don't use Facebook but I'm using Swift Black for photos.. You will get FC on apps when versions get updated before the theme is updated... I've seen them plenty while using Substratum on Samsung devices
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I don't use Facebook but I'm using Swift Black for photos.. You will get FC on apps when versions get updated before the theme is updated... I've seen them plenty while using Substratum on Samsung devices
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I wonder if that is what it is. I may have to try being more meticulous since I cannot fix it unless attached to a computer. Thank you for the reply. Have you noticed any issues with system theming?
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I wonder if that is what it is. I may have to try being more meticulous since I cannot fix it unless attached to a computer. Thank you for the reply. Have you noticed any issues with system theming?
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I’m using aospUI Black theme for system and it seems to be good just a few blacked out icons like in about phone but mainly good ..
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That's good to know. I wanted to give this a try.
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Anyone know a theme that centers clock that currently works
I want to be able to theme my phone without rooting, and sure, the 1.99 for Andromeda is no big deal. However, a lot of other themes (like Archangel's navbar app) are paid as well, so I'd be spending more in addition to paying first to be able to theme. Are there any other themes with transparent navbars, or just any other way so that I wouldn't be spending more on top of the first price?
Currently this no longer works with 8.1 Beta until the code is updated by the developer..
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So being overwhelmed with joy, I didn't spend much time searching to see if this was already stated... none-the-less, Substratum themes work great on Stock Oreo, rootless, with the help of Andromeda. Here's a guide if needed: https://forum.xda-developers.com/ap...top-clients-release-notes-t3668682?styleid=18
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Invisible icons like these will slow it down lol.
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Invisible icons like these will slow it down lol.
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Just so you guys realize, a nav bar without any pixels (total black) will actually leave a burn-in of that exact size. In order to limit that, you need to fill it with some color other than red (red pixels don't wear).
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Flux theme crashed system UI for me... which corrupted the OS. Had to do a factory reset to get it running again. Just FYI.
Hey y'all
I just got the Google Q beta 3 on my pixel and with the full navigation mode you get the IOS like animations. I say IOS like for lack of a better term as they were the first to offer a polished version of gesture animations (to my knowledge, don't want to debate that).
I know that my oneplus 6t and Huawei Mate 20 pro also had that same animation style.
What I mean is that when you swipe up to go home the app animation goes back into the app icon itself, funny enough one ui has a similar animation for when you close a folder.
I'm surprised that our phones don't have it. It makes the whole gesture thing seem like an after thought. I asked Samsung and they told me to download a different theme...
So here are my questions
1- Is there a name for that animation style?
2-Is there an actual theme that would enable it or maybe a launcher?
I'm just a bit surprised that my $1700 phone would have such an unfinished gesture navigation implementation.
Not debating but informing you that WebOS was gesture navigation based before everyone else.
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Not debating but informing you that WebOS was gesture navigation based before everyone else.
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????? That has absolutely nothing to do with my question hence why I didn't want to debate that fact, but thanks for your input. ?
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XDAs gesture navigation is probably the closest to ios you will find
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XDAs gesture navigation is probably the closest to ios you will find
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I'm fine with Samsung navigation, I actually like it very much. It's really the navigation transition animations and more specifically the apps. The way that they kind of pop back into the actual app icon. As opposed to the just fading out.
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