Hi all.
First of all, apologize my rude english.
I realize that there is no comments about this device on the forum.
A quick summary: GPD-Win is a Intel Atom X5 Z8550 gaming device (UMPC including gamepad) running Windows 10 (and possible DualOS with Android, after releasing the device)
The device main specs are:
Name: GPD-WIN
SoC: Inte X7-Z8550
RAM: 4GB Ram
STORAGE: 64GB
OS: Windows 10 Home *
UEFI 64 bits
Able to run another OS from MicroSD or USB
DISPLAY: 5,5" IPS, Corning Gorilla Glass 3.
RESOLUTION: 1280x720 (720p)
BATTERY: 6000mAh
TV Out: MicroHDMI
1 x USB 3.0 (Full Size Port)
1 x MicroUSB
Wifi 5GHz Dual Channel
Bluetooth 4.1
MicroSD Slot (128GB Support)
Updated SoC to Cherrytrail Z8550
Bluetooth module updated to 4.1
Wifi module updated from 2.4GHz (single channel) to 5GHz (dual channel)
Added X360 Guide Button to the layout.
Re-located some keys such PgUp, PgDn, Home, End
Mode Switch updated. There are 3 modes: DInput, Mouse, XInput
The device come with USB 3.0 Type-A (Full Size) port, and MicroUSB 2.0 port.
Added a big aluminium heatsink between the SoC and the keyboard, for heat dissipation.
There is a speaker system that will help to heat dissipation by vibrations.
About the size, comparing with GPD-XD is very similar, then Nintendo 3DSXL cases will be suitable to protect and carry this device too.
There are some new images from the prototype (Courtesy of GPD).
Front comparisson
Side
Comparing with GPD-XD
Mode Switcher
Buttons L1 and R1 detail. Now these buttons are more ergonomics.
Upper and Lower views
Source: Mod Edit: Fundraisering link removed.
I really think the price will not be $499 on release, because is a non-realistic price for the device. Most probably the device price will down to the campaign price, that is more reasonable price in my opinion ($299)
in any case, if there is any interest on this device, i will tray to write a review to post here (Hopefully, some time before the device release on the market).
If there is any question about this, let me know, and i will do my best on trying to get info from GPD.
Zalu2!
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Apologyze about the link (i don´t know about it)
thanks for moving the thread. ^_^
Seriously going to love this Device when it comes out
Here will be my Setup for it
200GB MicroSD
500GB SSD USB 3.0 Velcro underneath the Device
Going to have to attach Carbon Fiber Skin Decal to it like I did with my GPD XD. Would mean having to Scan every Part of it to get it right like I did with the XD. LOL
So far, the Videos of this Device in Action are amazing. A User that received a Unit for Testing (Non-Fan Variant) so far has shown some promising results.
Ultra Street Fighter IV running, but Background Graphics are Removed. But I saw 1 Video where he got a Internet Challenge on it and then a Pop-Up Message came up saying the CPU Temp was around 80 Degrees C (177 F). Max Temp for the CPU is 90C. So it does allow for more recent Games if the Settings are just right. Also was able to run Wolfenstein - The New Order which is surprising to me. Graphics seemed to be stuttering but still able to run smoothly.
There was another Test for Emulators and it seemed to run PS2 Games pretty good. I gave a list of some Games/Emulators to test how it would go for my Standards. But from what I saw in the Videos, when it has the Variants WITH a CPU Cooling Fan, it should do quite well.
The only thing going through my head right now is: Why didnt someone think of creating a Device like this YEARS AGO?????? LOL. Finally, a Windows OS, Handheld, GamePad, Gaming Device. Just have a few problems with it:
Storage Size: 64GB ROM. Seriously??????? At best, after removing Applications I wont need, I will be left with maybe 45-50GB and thats if I am lucky for 50GB. 128GB would have been preferable.
No FULL Keyboard: Not a biggie, but would be nice. Will just have to use a Bluetooth Number Pad or Bluetooth Full Keyboard if it doesnt have a Pop-up for it.
Only 1 Full Size USB. I dont need the Mini-HDMI Port, nor will I be needing the Wireless Display. They could throw that out and replace it with a 2nd Full Size USB Port for additional Storage or USB Devices.
Directional Pad and Joystick: Seriously wish they would use a Directional Pad like the ones on the PS Vita same with the Joystick. Using the GPD XD which has the same Controls, it is kind of problematic.
But regardless of those mentioned Dislikes, this Device should be a Kick-### System for Gaming. Going to love finally having a Portable Windows Gaming System WITH Attached GamePad
Just hope it will be Released in October like they Estimate :fingers-crossed:
guys tell me something about the compatibility with Android, dual boot seems the easy way but, is it supported like an old gpd xd ?
if anybody is interested in the new aluminum version of the GPD Win, here's a $50 off coupon for geek buying: EMFQNEVZ
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Windows tablets have been gaining popularity since the release of Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface Pro. Windows 10, which made its way to millions of PCs and tablets through free online upgrade last year, further enhanced the experiences of those two-in-one Windows devices.
Although Microsoft’s very own Surface and Surface Pro lines are still considered as the market-leading Windows tablets and also remain to be most popular, many other manufacturers, big and small, are trying to have a share in this fast-growing market of tablet & PC hybrids.
Cube, a Chinese brand mainly known for making budget Android tablets, has already released a bunch of Windows tablets since 2014. One of their most successful products was the Cube i7 Stylus, a Windows tablet which came with a Core M processor, 4GB RAM, a comfortable keyboard base and Wacom digitizer. Recently, Cube has released an upgraded version of the Cube i7 Stylus – the Cube i7 Book, which comes with many improvements such as an all new Skylake Core M3 processor, a USB Type-C port and a rotary keyboard base. The tablet itself is only priced at RMB2,199 ($329), even cheaper than the entry model of Microsoft Surface 3. You might need to spend more on the rotary keyboard base and a Wacom, but I am sure the added cost the two will be under $100.
Cube i7 Book Main Specs
OS: Windows 10 Home
Screen: 10.6-inch IPS, 10-point multi-touch, IGZO
Display Resolution: 1920 x 1080 (16:9)
CPU: Intel Skylake Core-M 6Y30
CPU Frequency: 0.9GHz (Base clock) – 2.2GHZ (Turbo clock)
GPU: Intel HD 515
RAM / Storage: 4GB DDR3L / 64GB SSD
Bluetooth: Bluetooth 4.1
WiFi: 802.11 b/g/n, WiFi hotspot
Camera: 5MP back camera, 2MP front camera
Battery: 9,000mAh
Ports: Micro SD Card Slot, Micro USB 3.0 Port, USB Type-C port, 3.5mm Headphone Jack, DC Charging Port
Size: 273*172*9.6mm, Weight: 710.5g, Color: Black front and blue rear
Retail Package
The Cube i7 Book has the same packaging used on other Windows tablets from Cube. Inside the box you will find a wall charger, an OTG adapter (Micro USB 3.0 to full USB 3.0), a warranty card and a user manual.
Design
The i7 Book looks like a triplet brother of the Cube i7 Stylus and Cube iWork 11 Stylus. The front is dominated by a 10.6-inch IPS display, with relatively big bezel around. We do love the small bezel design deployed on the Huawei Mate Book and Samsung Galaxy TabPro S. But when we use the slate as a standalone tablet, we do need the bezel to rest out fingers on.
The slate has an Aluminum rear side, which is coated in blue. I used to praise the use of blue color on Cube’s Windows tablets, as it reduces the industrial feel of the device. However, Cube seems to use this color combination in all of their Windows tablets, and it feels quite boring. Maybe it is just me who have this feeling because I have tested many of Cube’s tablets, first-time buyers may still appreciate the aesthetic.
Unlike the Huawei Matebook and Samsung Galaxy TabPro S, both of which only come with a single USB Type-C port and a headphone jack, the i7 Book still offers a slew of ports and slots. On the left side you will find a headset jack, a Micro USB 3.0 port, a 3.5mm DC charging port and a Micro SD card slot which supports cards up to 128GB.
There is also a USB Type-C port which can be transformed into a full USB port or an HDMI port, or both if you have the right adapter. I used the type-C adapter for my Macbook and it works brilliantly with the i7 Book.
The keyboard port can be found on the bottom side of the slate, this time it is an 11 contact magnetic port, as opposed to the 5-contact port we have seen on other Cube’s Windows tablets. So the magnetic force which draws the tablet and the keyboard could be potentially stronger.
If the Huawei Mate Book and the Samsung Galaxy TabPro S represent the design of Windows tablets in 2016, the Cube i7 Book still feels like a product from early 2015. The slate itself measures 273*172*9.6mm, and weighs just 710g— light enough for one-handed use with a stylus. As the tablet has a metallic build, it feels very solid, and could survive some pressure or even occasional drops. With the keyboard base attached, the total weight comes to 1.1 kilograms, still on the lighter end of the convertible tablet range.
Display and sound
The Cube i7 Book sports a 10.6-inch full HD IPS display, manufactured by Samsung. Although not as exciting as the AMOLED panel on the Samsung Galaxy TabPro S, it is still quite decent and offers a lot in terms of sharpness, colors and viewing angle. The brightness of the panel is towards the lower end of Windows tablets, but it is way more than enough for indoor use.
The sound quality of the side-facing speakers is in the same class of the Microsoft Surface Pro 3, and it is not a compliment. Although everything is clear and easy to make out, the bass is muddled, and there is not enough volume for you to listen to music or podcasts in a large bedroom. External audio systems such as a speaker or headphones are highly recommended.
Input mechanism
The Cube i7 Book came with five distinct input options. There’s the touchscreen, the optional Wacom Pen ($30), and the keyboard base, which in addition to its keys offers a touchpad, you can also connect the slate with a mouse.
Touchscreen
The touchscreen felt great in our tests. The surface was smooth and consistent, as you’d expect, and gestures were all correctly registered. Unfortunately, the screen is not made of Corning Gorilla scratch-resistant glass, but only a standard soda lime glass panel, a screen protector is necessary if you don’t want any marks on your screen after a long time of using the tablet.
Pen
If you want more precision than your greasy fingers can offer, the optional Wacom pen delivers. It makes stylus input quite natural, and works well with the Windows desktop thanks to its built-in buttons. Hover a bit above the screen and you’ll see a pointer, which makes it easy to avoid accidentally tapping a button or icon.
Drawing and taking notes with the pen is also quite easy, although it isn’t as comfortable as drawing on a paper due to the glossiness of the screen, the experiences are still quite similar. The Wacom pen supports 1,024 levels of pressure, so you can easily draw lines with different weight. This makes the i7 Book much more usable as a standalone tablet, as you can actually write things down on it and won’t always feel the need of a keyboard for input.
Rotary keyboard base
Keyboards for tablets are always somewhat uncomfortable to use. I have personally struggled to find my top typing pace with the Surface Type Cover and the stock Bluetooth keyboard for the Acer ICONIA W700. The keyboard bases for Cube i7 and i7 Stylus were actually more comfortable to type on than average tablet keyboards, but they were also very thick and heavy.
The i7 Book comes with an all new rotary keyboard base, which is, in my opinion, better designed than any other tablet keyboard. Not only can it instantly turn the tablet into a laptop, you can also use it as a stand to support the tablet in many different modes.
The screen can be adjusted from 0 to 120 degrees, limited, but still a huge improvement from the docking mechanism of the original i7 and i7 Stylus, which can only have a fixed angle.
Although the keyboard base still doesn’t quite measure up to the keyboard on an average laptop, it comes pretty close. The keys are well-spaced, and give enough feedback for touch typists to develop a flow. Of course, certain compromises had to be made to fit a full keyboard into such a small dock, so don’t expect the full laptop experience. The depth of each keystroke is noticeably shorter, which dampens the tactile experience. With that said, this is still one the closest things to a laptop keyboard available for any tablet, and is among the best tablet keyboards we’ve used.
The keyboard base also features a trackpad, which supports lots of gestures. There are also distinct left and right click zones to give you an experience which is similar to using a mouse.
You also get two additional full USB 2.0 ports with the keyboard base attached, one on the left, and one on the right. Which further enhances the usability of the device.
Windows 10
The Cube i7 Book ships with Windows 10 Home and a valid license. Thankfully, the tablet comes with no bloatware, and you don’t need to uninstall anything before using it.
You can install Office Mobile for free from Windows Store, but it is always a must to have the desktop version of Microsoft Office for more productivity, and the newer versions (Office 2013, Office 365 and Office 2016) all support touchscreen and stylus input very well.
There are a few other applications I strongly recommend for the i7 Book and all Windows tablets with stylus support. One Note for Windows, WRITEit, Squid, PAINT are all applications to make the best of your Wacom Pen.
Performance
The Cube i7 Book is powered by a Skylake Core M3-6Y30 processor, which isn’t as powerful as the i3, i5 or i7 processors used in high-end Windows tablets and ultrabooks, as it seeks to balance performance, efficiency and portability. There is also 4GB of RAM on board to take care of multi-tasking and 64GB of SSD for internal storage for apps and files.
Our Cinebench R10 scores show just how much this processor can do. The single core rating was 4,280, and the multi-core score was 8,424. The Cube i7 Book can keep up with most Windows 10 tablets on the market right now, and that includes the Surface Pro 4.
In the Cinebench R15 Open GL test, the i7 Book handily beat all the other tablets we compared it with, and in the CPU test, it also scored higher than the Huawei Matebook and Samsung Galaxy TabPro S, although still behind the i5 Powered Surface Pro 3.
In the Fritz Chess Benchmark, the i7 Book was also returned a very decent score of 4,030.
In the PCMark 8 Home Accelerated test, the Cube i7 scored 2,785, which is better than the other Core M powered tablets we have tested, including the entry model of Surface Pro 4 (2,750) and the Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Tablet (2,675).
In the cross-platform Geekbench 3 test, the Cube i7 Book scored 2,404 in single-core and 4,682 in Multi-core, better than the i3 version of Surface Pro 3 (1,566 & 3,235), the ivy-bridge i5 powered Acer W700 (2,064 & 4,378) and the Core M powered model of Surface Pro 4 (2,339 & 4,429).
We also ran other Benchmark tests on the i7 Book, and were returned some pretty decent scores. From the numbers, we can tell that the Core M3 in the Cube i7 Book is on par with the Haswell Core i3 in the Microsoft Surface Pro 3 and betters the ivy-bridge Core i5 in the Acer ICONIA W700, betters the Atom Cherry Trail processors in the Surface 3 and other budget Windows 2-in-1s, but not as powerful as the Haswell i5 and Skylake i5 used in the Surface Pro 3 and 4. Core M is built for efficiency but, in certain situations, it can perform very well.
The benchmark scores are reflected in day-to-day usage, the Cube i7 Book performs general productivity tasks easily. Performance was so good that we forgot this entire machine was crammed into a tablet form factor, thinking of it instead as a full-blown laptop. Browsing the web and writing were no problem, but neither were more processor intensive tasks such as unzipping a large compressed file. Atom based tablets, including the Surface 3 and ASUS T100HA, suffered a bit with this kind of tasks. But the Core M3 chip is competent, and the 4GB memory allows you to handle a decent amount of multi-tasking.
You shouldn’t really even consider running an intensive 3D game on the i7 Book, but it can chew through some basic 3D tasks, thanks to the improved Intel HD515 GPU.
As fast as the i7 Book could be in your everyday tasks, it is still a tablet, and can’t really replace a workstation desktop or laptop.
Storage
The Cube i7 Book offers a Foresee O1229B solid state drive, with 64GB of storage space. There is a Micro SD card slot to help expand the storage, but you can add no more than 128GB.
The Speed of the internal SSD is generally slower than the drives in other high-end Windows tablets, but much faster compared to the eMMc used in those Atom based Windows slates. Our AS SSD benchmark showed a read speed of 481.21 megabytes per second, and a write speed of 153.87MB/s. That’s significantly slower than the Surface Pro 4 (822.36mb/s & 347.34mb/s) and Surface Book (1,012.33mb/s and 498.74mb/s), but on par with and even betters most of the Windows tablets currently on sale.
Temperature
As with other Core M powered tablets, there are no fans in the Cube i7 Book, meaning you’ll never hear it no matter how hot it gets, and it will get hot occasionally.
After running a few benchmark tests, Ludashi reported a CPU temperature higher than 80 degrees centigrade, and the rear side of the tablet felt quite warm, and unpleasant for the my hands to hold.
Wi-Fi and Bluetooth
The Cube i7 Book features an Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165 chip to take care of internet connection, and it was pretty solid in our test. Even when there were two walls and 10 meters between the tablet and the router, it could still reach its top downloading and uploading speeds. Bluetooth 4.0 is also on board to establish easy connections to wireless speakers and input devices.
Battery life
The Cube i7 Book features an 8,600mAh battery, on par with the original i7 Stylus but slightly smaller than the battery inside the Huawei Matebook. I test battery life using a looped HD video, playing until the battery finally gives out. Here, the i7 Book performed slightly below average—still, at 6 hours, 50 minutes, it delivers pretty close to an all-work-day computing experience.
Cameras
There are two cameras on the Cube i7 Book, a 2MP front-facing camera and a 5MP rear-facing camera. The front camera naturally takes care of video chatting. I used to say that the rear-facing camera on tablets are not necessary, well, I was wrong. The Huawei Matebook doesn’t offer a rear camera, and once when I was chatting with a friends on Skype, and wanted to show him the things I was looking at, I needed to flip the tablet around and use the front-facing camera to do that, and I didn’t even know whether I framed what I needed to show because the screen is not facing towards me.
With that said, both cameras on the i7 Book are not good at all. Even when there is proper lighting, Photos can still have a lot of noises. Smartphones of even the lowest end could do a better job at taking pictures.
Verdict
The Cube i7 Book is not a perfect 2-in-1, but it is a very good one. It exceeds the Microsoft Surface 3 on almost every benchmark, and offers a much nicer keyboard. In some ways, the i7 Book even manages to compete with the entry level model of Surface Pro 4, with similar processing power and graphics capability. The display, while not perfect, is in line with the competition. And a unique docking system gives users the ability to use the tablet in many different modes, something very few competing Windows 10 tablet currently offers.
The Cube i7 Book offers all this, and is competitive on price. With a Core M processor and 4GB of RAM, it is priced at only $399, lower than the most basic version of Microsoft Surface 3, which sports a much weaker Atom Cherry Trail Z8700 processor and 2GB of RAM. Also, accessories of the i7 Book are much cheaper than those of the Surface. The Wacom Pen is only $39, and the keyboard base, which looks and feels much more premium than the Surface Type Cover, is also only priced at $59.
The main weaknesses of the i7 Book are the battery life and the temperature. The battery life is below average in the Windows tablets category, and the i7 Book can get unpleasantly hot during intense tasks. Also, it doesn’t look as modern as the Huawei Matebook and the Samsung Galaxy TabPro S, I personally consider those two as the best looking two-in-one Windows devices currently available.
Still, the Cube i7 is a great alternative to the Surface 3, and betters the latter and most of the similarly priced tablets in almost every aspect. It could also give the awkward iPad Pro and Jide REMIX Ultra tablet a run for their money, using iOS and Android for work is simply a joke, Windows can still do everything much better when it comes to productivity tasks.
Please watch our video review here: https://youtu.be/RW2wPfMsdhE
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Please watch our video review here: https://youtu.be/RW2wPfMsdhE
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How hot does it get exactly, how much higher than 80C?
Is this tablet compatible with all Wacom stylus models or only specific ones? I've also heard some Samsung Galaxy Note Stylus's work too?
Hello, thank you for the review
I ordered mine on Sunday on aliexpress and I shall have to receive the tablet (with keyboard&stylus) in 3 weeks
About the problem of temp, there is mods to decrease it (you have to open the tablet).
I'd also like to know about the compatibility with other wacom stylus'
I found the answers to the other two questions at techtablet.com - http://techtablets.com/2016/07/cube...ck-first-impressions-hands-first-impressions/
The other question is regarding charging - can you charge the tablet through either of the USB port (micro 3.0 or Type C)? Yes, it can charge through this port
Is the storage an M2 SSD that is removable? I've been burned by EMMC on tablets that have died so want to transfer my storage to a new device in the event of a failure. Yes, this is an internal M2 SSD
Thirtybird said:
I'd also like to know about the compatibility with other wacom stylus'
I found the answers to the other two questions at techtablet.com - http://techtablets.com/2016/07/cube...ck-first-impressions-hands-first-impressions/
The other question is regarding charging - can you charge the tablet through either of the USB port (micro 3.0 or Type C)? Yes, it can charge through this port
Is the storage an M2 SSD that is removable? I've been burned by EMMC on tablets that have died so want to transfer my storage to a new device in the event of a failure. Yes, this is an internal M2 SSD
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According to Chris @tech Tablet's video review other Wacom stylus will work including Samsung Note stylus.
Also he confirms the SSD is replaceable as well.
Thanks for the nice write-up.
Can you please advise how bad is the sound quality and volume on this tablet? I know it's probably hard to describe and it's always subjective but from what I noticed all reviews mention this so it has to be quite bad. I know the sound is thin, lacks bass and is not very loud but is it possible to watch a movie during the day (with some background noise) without headphones or external speakers?
Also did you have a chance to test USB speed on this one? Tech Tablets mentioned it's only limited to USB 2.0 speed. Cheers.
Did anybody find a powerbank that allowed you to charge the tablet via the USB C port? From my own attempts and what I've read online it seems that even though quick charge should deliver the necessary 12V, I tried a Tronsmart powerbank and wasn't able to make it work either from the Quickcharge port or the USB C port. Other people seem to have similar experiences, so any hints to those that work would be welcome!
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Thanks for the nice write-up.
Can you please advise how bad is the sound quality and volume on this tablet? I know it's probably hard to describe and it's always subjective but from what I noticed all reviews mention this so it has to be quite bad. I know the sound is thin, lacks bass and is not very loud but is it possible to watch a movie during the day (with some background noise) without headphones or external speakers?
Also did you have a chance to test USB speed on this one? Tech Tablets mentioned it's only limited to USB 2.0 speed. Cheers.
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i just got my tablet and the speakers are terrible... But they work, i dont find them to quiet, they are loud enough to watch a movie. But the sound quality will make your ears bleed if you watch a full movie
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i just got my tablet and the speakers are terrible... But they work, i dont find them to quiet, they are loud enough to watch a movie. But the sound quality will make your ears bleed if you watch a full movie
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Thanks for the confirmation. I decided to go for Cube iWork10. I guess I am gonna get comparable sound quality
IS it worth upgrading from i7 stylus to i7 book???! performance and gaming ??
Hi, can we install androidt to this tablet?
Regarding updating, it depends, as always. If you need the better WiFi card or the transformer style keyboard dock or the USB c port, or if you're after the last drop of performance, maybe. I haven't got the older model, but I think the performance difference is supposedly around 30%. I guess for me that wouldn't justify an upgrade, but if the other changes are appealing/important enough, it might be worth it.
As for android, you can definitely run remixOS on it and I suspect also other varieties of Android-x86. But notice that they are all running on kernel 4.4 or so, which doesn't make good use of the power saving of the skylake cpu, so it's running full power most of the time, which reduces battery life of course. Hopefully, there'll be a way to get a newer kernel (4.6 upwards) soon, that should help with that issue. Apart from that remix seems to be working OK, although I haven't tried a whole lot yet.
Windows 8.1 camera drivers
Does anyone have Windows 8.1 image/iso with full working drivers? Maybe mirror from official Cube baidu images?
Or just drivers themselves?
Can't find working drivers for both cameras. Please, help. Windows 8.1 x64.
Are there driver for the keyboard. More specifically the touchpad? Under settings there are no touchpad settings. I want to disable the win10 gestures. I am getting sick of the task view always popping up.
Regarding the touchpad, I think they mentioned some registry hack you need to do to disable touchpad gestures on techtablets.com, so maybe have a look there (I haven't been using windows enough to care about disabling it, although I also find it quite annoying when I'm on windows).
On a different note, since there was a question about Android above and I just mentioned remix os, there is a different project porting android to the x86 framework which is working relatively well. It's called Bliss-x86 and can be found here on xda (https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3534657).
I've got a post there describing how it worked on the cube i7 book a month ago or so. Some things are still not ideal, there still seems to be some process forcing the CPU to run circles even when idle, so it probably wasn't just the kernel on remix as I suspected above. But overall quite worth trying out.
franzli said:
Regarding the touchpad, I think they mentioned some registry hack you need to do to disable touchpad gestures on techtablets.com, so maybe have a look there (I haven't been using windows enough to care about disabling it, although I also find it quite annoying when I'm on windows).
On a different note, since there was a question about Android above and I just mentioned remix os, there is a different project porting android to the x86 framework which is working relatively well. It's called Bliss-x86 and can be found here on xda (https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3534657).
I've got a post there describing how it worked on the cube i7 book a month ago or so. Some things are still not ideal, there still seems to be some process forcing the CPU to run circles even when idle, so it probably wasn't just the kernel on remix as I suspected above. But overall quite worth trying out.
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Thanks! I tried asking this over there but I am unable to post. Not only that, but I cannot even send an email using the "Contact Us" link. I will try searching over there again.
CHUWI Lapbook SE - 13.3" IPS FHD | Celeron N4100 (Gemini Lake) | 4GB | 32GB + 128GB
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Display: 13.3" IPS Fully laminated, 1920x1080*
* SHARP LQ133M1JW08
CPU: Intel Celeron N4100 (Gemini Lake)
RAM: 4GB DDR4 2133MHz (Single-Channel)
* 1x4GB DDR4 2400MHz running at 2133MHz (S5RG2Q20CMS?)
eMMC: Sandisk DF4032 32GB*
* Speed: ~157 Read [MB/s] and ~113 Write [MB/s]
SSD: M.2 2280 SATA3 FORESEE FSGGMNC-128G 128GB*
* Speed: ~537 Read [MB/s] and ~439 Write [MB/s]
Audio Codec: Realtek HD Audio (can't find the precise model)
WiFi/Bluetooth: Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165
Sensors: Hall Sensor
Touchpad: Hantick HTIX5288 (recognized as Precision Touchpad)
Ports: 2x USB 3.0 (one for each side, both running at full speed), 1x Mini-HDMI 2.0 Output, 1x Headphone Jack
SD Card Reader: Realtek RTS5129 (USB 2.0)
Security: Trusted Platform Module 2.0
Front-facing Camera: 2.0MP Photos - 720p30 Videos (Generic USB)
Speakers: 4x (declared, not confirmed yet) with the sound coming out of the Keyboard
Battery: 2x 3.8V/5000 mAh cells = 7.6V 38Wh* (37Wh from the BIOS)
* Guangdong Pow-Tech New Power - PT 2877164-2S (2ICP3/77/164)
Power Supply: Xinspower A241-1202000D DC 12V/2A 3.5mm*10mm
Operating System: Windows 10 Home x64 (Multi-language)
* Genuine License
Real Weight: 1441g
Real Size: 31.7 x 21.6 x 1.43 cm
Extras: Backlit Keyboard and Logo, Aluminum Chassis with Plastic
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Internals:
Imgur Album
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Drivers:
Archive (07/09/2018)
Older Packages:
None yet.
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BIOS:
Not available yet.
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Extra:
Official Website:
CHUWI Lapbook SE at chuwi.com
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Based on @Wootever thread layout.
Backlight Bleeding issue
Just like what happened in the past with the CHUWI Lapbook Air (1st batch, latest ones are not affected), also the Lapbook SE is affected by the same annoying issue. Basically, you need to be lucky in order to get a unit with a perfectly glued screen until they fix the issue in the production line.
Full-quality photo album here: https://imgur.com/a/1pGcJ3S
Thermal Mod
Since this PC was reaching almost 90c under heavy-load with the locked 6W TDP, I decided to go ahead and open it. Unfortunately, many bad surprises came out.
ALERT: Be careful, there are some hidden screws that made me crazy while opening it since my Lapbook Air was not featuring them.
First of all, there was no thermal pad between the heatsink and the metal chassis (the one you see here has been added by me as a test).
Second, the heatsink seems to be recycled from another motherboard, but this is just the beginning. Due to this, the coating used to shield the Metal from the Motherboard was behaving as a barrier for the heat.
So, the only way to fix this mess is by removing the coating from both heatsink and metal chassis (because yes, they insulated also that). I used some abrasive paper (P400) to remove most of the coating.
The thermal pad has been replaced with thermal paste (Kyronaut by Thermal Grizzly).
By doing this process i have discovered that the thermal pad i used as test on the heatsink was too thin (0.5mm) so i have switched to something probably overkill (1.5mm), both pads were high-performance ones BTW for the best results.
Funny story, 1.5mm resulted to not be overkill at all because there is also a design issue with this heatsink, that is not being perfectly flat thus the distance between the die and the heatsink itself is quite big so this extra thickness of the 1.5mm Thermal Pad worked perfectly. NOTE: I would recommend to go for a copper pad instead of a thermal pad but i don't have any thermal adhesive so i decided to go for something safe.
Done! As a result of this process, temps dropped by ~10C at 6W, reaching maximum 65c under Prime95 maximum heat test.
Full-quality photo album can be found here: https://imgur.com/a/2Yi24vL
For those interested, even though it is possible to disable Power Limit 1 in the BIOS, the setting is ignored and the maximum power usage keeps getting limited to 6W. XTU is not working either (blank tab).
For those interested, even though it is possible to disable Power Limit 1 in the BIOS, the setting is ignored and the maximum power usage keeps getting limited to 6W. XTU is not working either (blank tab).
By using ThrottleStop it is possible to unlock power limits properly: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/
The problem is that temps get too high even with the thermal mod, i may consider liquid metal as next experiment.
Update regarding my Thermal mod. I was not satisfied with the result so proceeded and this is what i had to do.
First of all, i switched to liquid metal (Conductonaut) so i had to insulate almost the whole motherboard.
Then, as you can see here, a small piece of heatsink has been removed since, due to the design flaw, it was causing it to be bent improperly with poor contact with the die.
The result is unfortunately not superb, but i am now able to stay with power limits unlocked (via Throttlestop) with no/minimum thermal throttling.
2160p60 Playback with no Power Limits
windows 10 on ssd
Hi, I've seen that the SSD is faster than the emmc. do you know if it is possible to install Windows 10 on the ssd?
Willower said:
Hi, I've seen that the SSD is faster than the emmc. do you know if it is possible to install Windows 10 on the ssd?
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Yep, why not? It is handled just like a secondary drive.
Chromium OS
Chromium OS for Lapbook SE
This is a release candidate and the final release will be more polished and with a working built-in installer.
Downloads:
Chromium OS 68 Image: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N8qNpLruVz3gJieWwReb2fqe-lirqUJ9/view?usp=sharing
Installation: Depending on the destination device, you may have to follow different installation guides.
- Internal SSD (for permanent installation): in order to avoid issues, you need Linux, so choose your preferred distro and boot it (a live USB is fine, you don't need to install it). Then follow this video guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N17rPCj9ye8
- USB Devices (HDD/SSD/Flash Drives, for portable installation also known as Live USB, 16GB minimum): you can use both Windows and Linux. For Windows, just download Rufus (https://rufus.akeo.ie/), choose your USB device, tick DD mode (instead of ISO) and proceed. For Linux, the video guide linked for the Internal SSD installation can be followed.
Known Bugs:
- Unavailable tap to click (the hardware click button works fine though)
- Broken Chromium OS Installer (disabled to avoid complains)
FAQ:
- Question: I can't find the Play Store as seen on Chromebooks, where is it?
- Answer: You won't find it until Google decides to make this feature available to the public.
- Question: The Laptop is stuttering and stops responding for a while, please help.
- Answer: It means that your External USB Device is painfully slow and have to consider to get a faster USB 3.0 device to avoid this.
- Question: Is the current image source-built? If yes, where is the kernel source as requested by GPL?
- Answer: No, the current release candidate build is based on another already built image thus i have no source code for it. I am waiting for the public source release in fix all remaining issues plus make the source code available.
Wow the maximum power usage is insane without any power limit enabled. Almost 21W without any active cooling is just too much to handle, i was lucky to get only a maximum of 85c thanks to my extreme thermal mod but i can't recommend to keep power limits completely off without doing it.
Hi
thanks for the detailed information regarding this laptop
I would like to know if you have tried upgrading the SSD, specifically if it'll be able to boot from an NVMe M.2 SSD?
hope to hear from you soon. Thanks
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Yep, why not? It is handled just like a secondary drive.
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I intend to put a new SSD of 240 or 500gb could you suggest some models that have a high reading and work on this handset?
vkashin said:
Hi
thanks for the detailed information regarding this laptop
I would like to know if you have tried upgrading the SSD, specifically if it'll be able to boot from an NVMe M.2 SSD?
hope to hear from you soon. Thanks
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Yes, already tested.
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I intend to put a new SSD of 240 or 500gb could you suggest some models that have a high reading and work on this handset?
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I don't know your budget so i can't recommend you a specific model, Samsung SSDs are the best on the market as far as i know. BTW, any M.2 2280 SATA (not PCIe!) SSD will work on this device.
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Alberto96 said:
Yes, already tested.
I don't know your budget so i can't recommend you a specific model, Samsung SSDs are the best on the market as far as i know. BTW, any M.2 2280 SATA (not PCIe!) SSD will work on this device.
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My budget is 110 dollars Just let me know the names. I live in Brazil so the values vary a lot. I wanted a high reading. I found one of Kingston a1000 among others. But I'm confused by this SSD issue. I bought one but it is wrong, I ended up buying a SSD pcie So I would recommend some models to me.
tekadon said:
My budget is 110 dollars Just let me know the names. I live in Brazil so the values vary a lot. I wanted a high reading. I found one of Kingston a1000 among others. But I'm confused by this SSD issue. I bought one but it is wrong, I ended up buying a SSD pcie So I would recommend some models to me.
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Samsung 860 EVO M.2
Does somebody found a way to make camera work in Linux?
Hi, what settings do you have to change in TS in order to remove power limits on the N4100?
Thank you in advance.
Noob quick question
I majorly f-ed up my Chuwi SE. I thought I successfully cloned it to the 128 SSD, then deleted the eMMC. But, I now get this blue error screen.
Anyhoo. I'm trying to reinstall windows using the drivers the OP posted (thanks), and the windows + bios files on the chuwi site (slow going. Keeps getting network errors while dloading...). [sry, can't post outside link as I'm a new member. It is located on the official chuwi forums]
ANyway, my question. After I install windows (fingers crossed). How do I install the bios files that I downloaded from the chuwi forum? I downloaded them and they appear to be 4-5 different .efi files scattered about. How do I use these files, and do I need to install all of them? Many thanks in advance.
Hello... Post an HD photo of the motherboard, I'm interested to see the type of RAM installed