Is there a way to downgrade from 7.0 to 6.0 even though out the box the V20 comes running 7.0?
lol nope.
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Why I want to downgrade?
Slimegod said:
Is there a way to downgrade from 7.0 to 6.0 even though out the box the V20 comes running 7.0?
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Why I want to downgrade?
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1. The v20 doesn't have 6.0 Firmware
2. If it did have it and you were on 7.0 Firmware then downgrading would actually brick your device.
Why? Because LG incorporated an "Anti_Rollback" counter. You can see it in the 'Hidden Menu'.
i.e. If MM was Anti-Rollback #1 and Nougat Anti-Rollback was #2 there would be no going back. You can only flash/upgrade/restore firmware/Roms with the same Anti-Rollback number. So if you take an OTA and it switches to 3 then any Roms or Backups or even Firmware Packages that are lesser than that you can No longer use.
Good Luck.
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1. The v20 doesn't have 6.0 Firmware
2. If it did have it and you were on 7.0 Firmware then downgrading would actually brick your device.
Why? Because LG incorporated an "Anti_Rollback" counter. You can see it in the 'Hidden Menu'.
i.e. If MM was Anti-Rollback #1 and Nougat Anti-Rollback was #2 there would be no going back. You can only flash/upgrade/restore firmware/Roms with the same Anti-Rollback number. So if you take an OTA and it switches to 3 then any Roms or Backups or even Firmware Packages that are lesser than that you can No longer use.
Good Luck.
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Thanks, that summed it up for me [emoji106] [emoji106]
I just bought a v20 off eBay. It was already on h91810r version I just bumped it back to h91810p which is 2 versions back with no issue and got to h91810k and it rejected it so I guess that's that. No root or custom recovery for me. Lg played us dirty.
fastjohnson said:
I just bought a v20 off eBay. It was already on h91810r version I just bumped it back to h91810p which is 2 versions back with no issue and got to h91810k and it rejected it so I guess that's that. No root or custom recovery for me. Lg played us dirty.
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10k is the last version with ARB=0 (anti-rollback). Any firmware update that followed was ARB=1.
If you buy a V20 off of eBay, your best bet is to not buy it from an individual because they will probably have used it right up until the time of auction, meaning they will probably have installed the latest updates. Mobile phone resellers that sell them in lots are a better bet.
I got mine last week and it was on 10j. You bet I made sure it was not going to be connected to the Internet before I was done rooting.
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No root or custom recovery for me. Lg played us dirty.
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For what it's worth. I think the anti rollback thing is mainly T-Mobiles fault since I believe the T-Mobile model is the only one that has anti rollback activated on it.
I tried getting it to h918k but it failed. And I did buy it from a seller not a everyday Joe. That's why I was pissed when I seen it was h91810r I was like WTF I'll brick it and send it back.
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I tried getting it to h918k but it failed. And I did buy it from a seller not a everyday Joe. That's why I was pissed when I seen it was h91810r I was like WTF I'll brick it and send it back.
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Unfortunately, it's still a luck of the draw. A mobile phone reseller might have gone ahead and put the latest updates on it, but that's not always the case. If an individual is selling their V20, they probably didn't keep it locked away for the last year before deciding now is a good time to sell it.
Anyway, you should keep a watch on this thread. There is hope, but it won't be instant gratification.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/how-to/laf-download-mode-how-root-t3676011/page38
Yah I figured in the near future it would see full root and full working twrp. The bottom line is I like the damn phone, it works perfectly ( for a LG ) it's a big step up from the v10. But the power button if faulty you have to just about put your finger through the phone to get it to activate and that's a pain in the ass when your doing the combo to get into DL mode or fastboot.
Then the power button alone issue would be good enough reason to get a return or exchange.
Unfortunately the seller has about 20 of these devices mainly all t mobile but there all messed up or in terrible condition. I paid 130$ for this and it's mint except that button. He's got a 90$ parts phone that's unlocked but has a botched charger port and I bet it's sitting on h91810j or older firmware. There's root in sight.
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Hi everyone,
Looks like Verizon released new KDZ for LG G5 VS987 - V11A
Here is the official link:
http://tool.lime.gdms.lge.com/dn/do...J95526JA851A574VIV/VS98711A_02_0330_ARB00.kdz
Enjoy mates
was just going over the partitions now. interesting to see it's still antirollback v0.
what was the stock rom.. 10A?
nice to see they aren't trying to stop downgrading with this update.
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was just gong over the partitions now. interesting to see it's still antirollback v0.
what was the stock rom.. 10A?
nice to see they aren't trying to stop downgrading with this update.
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I don't know, but I think 11A is the stock rom (can't find an older version)
Al0n said:
Hi everyone,
Looks like Verizon released new KDZ for LG G5 VS987 - V11A
Here is the official link:
http://csmgdl.lgmobile.com/dn/downl...J95526JA851A574VIV/VS98711A_02_0330_ARB00.kdz
Enjoy mates
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I don't get why I can download it despite my IMEI
Mine came with 10A
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was just going over the partitions now. interesting to see it's still antirollback v0.
what was the stock rom.. 10A?
nice to see they aren't trying to stop downgrading with this update.
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My Canadian H831 came with 10A - that's with March Android security patch. I wonder is this 11 is the April patch eh?
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My Canadian H831 came with 10A - that's with March Android security patch. I wonder is this 11 is the April patch eh?
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DON'T TOUCH THIS SOFTWARE. YOU'LL **** UP YOU PHONE.
THIS IS FOR VERIZON. 11A NEXT SHOULD BE 11B 11C AND SO ON
YOURS IS 10A NEXT SHOULD BE 10B 10C AND SO ON
20a should be android N. VERIZON i think 22a
AMEN to that brother
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DON'T TOUCH THIS SOFTWARE. YOU'LL **** UP YOU PHONE.
THIS IS FOR VERIZON. 11A NEXT SHOULD BE 11B 11C AND SO ON
YOURS IS 10A NEXT SHOULD BE 10B 10C AND SO ON
20a should be android N. VERIZON i think 22a
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I picked up my new baby 2 days ago. I will not perform any sketchy operations on this brand new G5. Not until there's root and TWRP will I consider anything besides approved, OEM updates - it's way too early for that stuff. It takes 6 months to a year for those things to maure enough for me to be comfortable.
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I picked up my new baby 2 days ago. I will not perform any sketchy operations on this brand new G5. Not until there's root and TWRP will I consider anything besides approved, OEM updates - it's way too early for that stuff. It takes 6 months to a year for those things to maure enough for me to be comfortable.
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I was hoping to get mine in a week or so.
But the whole Bootloader crab is pushing me to s7 or maybe htc 10.
Just gotta sell my h815 and h812.
Maybe Canadian telcos will drop a few bugs
Im not spending 400$ for a s7 edge on a two year renewal. In Germany there 0 on a two year.
What a ****ed up system canada has.
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kjwaugh said:
I picked up my new baby 2 days ago. I will not perform any sketchy operations on this brand new G5. Not until there's root and TWRP will I consider anything besides approved, OEM updates - it's way too early for that stuff. It takes 6 months to a year for those things to maure enough for me to be comfortable.
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Amen to that brother :good:
I can't for the life of me figure out how to flash this using LG up or LG flash tool using download mode. Any suggestions or is it not possible yet.
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Never mind figured it out that you have to use the VZW software utility to restore the KDZ.
VZW Software Utility
Any idea where to download the VZW software utility? Didn't have luck on VZW site!
enzyne said:
I can't for the life of me figure out how to flash this using LG up or LG flash tool using download mode. Any suggestions or is it not possible yet.
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Any idea where to download the VZW software utility? Didn't have luck on VZW site!
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Connect your phone to your PC then switch the USB connection type to Software Installation by swiping down on the status bar and selecting the option that says" tap to change USB connection". Once you do that a new CD Drive will pop up in My Computer with an LG logo. Double click that and then run the VZwsoftwareupdate exe. Profit
I see, so having a T-Mobile device will make me not able to use the VZW software to flash the Verizon KDZ on my T-Mobile? Could you maybe share the .exe execution file of the software so that we can give it a try
Thanks
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Connect your phone to your PC then switch the USB connection type to Software Installation by swiping down on the status bar and selecting the option that says" tap to change USB connection". Once you do that a new CD Drive will pop up in My Computer with an LG logo. Double click that and then run the VZwsoftwareupdate exe. Profit
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I see, so having a T-Mobile device will make me not able to use the VZW software to flash the Verizon KDZ on my T-Mobile? Could you maybe share the .exe execution file of the software so that we can give it a try
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Ahhhhh I should've asked that I guess. Yea not sure how it would work for T-Mobile. I will share the whole folder as soon as I get home.
Here's a complete copy of the folder in its entirety. I think your supposed to use LG bridge with T-Mobile devices unless I'm mistaken. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9so7d5en3a7Wmd3M0dabUNNNFE
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Ahhhhh I should've asked that I guess. Yea not sure how it would work for T-Mobile. I will share the whole folder as soon as I get home.
Here's a complete copy of the folder in its entirety. I think your supposed to use LG bridge with T-Mobile devices unless I'm mistaken. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9so7d5en3a7Wmd3M0dabUNNNFE
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Thanks Dude, i will give it a try
Just an FYI tho this specific KDZ is only for Verizon devices. Don't try to flash this on your T-Mobile phone.
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Just an FYI tho this specific KDZ is only for Verizon devices. Don't try to flash this on your T-Mobile phone.
Sent from my VS987 using XDA-Developers mobile app
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Yeah i have been doing some readings, and GSM T-Mobile wont accept the CDMA Verizon KDZ. This will brick the device. I am in square zero now Any idea how to overcome the T-MObile Sim Lock?
As per this video, T-Mobile GSM working on the Sprint device! So would be is possible for the Verizon ROM work on the T-Mobile device ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8oplw2rgHk
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As per this video, T-Mobile GSM working on the Sprint device! So would be is possible for the Verizon ROM work on the T-Mobile device ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8oplw2rgHk
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The Verizon variant of the LG G5 is factory unlocked per FCC network access requirements for the 700mhz spectrum of LTE. Which is what he is using. A Verizon device. Not a T-Mobile or Sprint device. This Verizon KDZ will only work on Verizon devices. You have to use LG Bridge to restore your phone.
anyone tried to extract the LG G5 kdz file? I can not merge the sysmtem.img file.
Are any devs working on a root for ls997 (sprint v20) zv6 update?? Will it be possible ever? Just wondering .. I know i was told i wouldnt be able to root on zv6 so i guess now im wondering if its even being worked on or looked at.. Thanks!
Im not even looking at it.
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Im not even looking at it.
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Oh.. Just not interested in getting it rooted?
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Oh.. Just not interested in getting it rooted?
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I do have a possible way but it is WAY to complicated for use. It can EASILY result in a hardbrick. and mostly untested. if that method ever gets released i will have done countless hours of testing on my own device before i even attempt to tell someone how to do it. That being said. as of right now. i am rooted on a custom rom. there is no incentive for me to try to work on it. if i do eventually get bricked for somereason and get a replacement with zv6 on it then yes i will work on getting root for that.
Ahh i see no worries.. Sucks we have no way of even getting back also.. Ugh first phone i havnt been able to root... It does suck..
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Ahh i see no worries.. Sucks we have no way of even getting back also.. Ugh first phone i havnt been able to root... It does suck..
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Getting back as in downgrading? Correct there is no kdz to downgrade with. However i have confirmed that ARB is still set to 00 on zv6 meaning that if we manage to create a KDZ then zv6 CAN be downgraded.
@me2151, I got a question for you.... I went to jail on march 21st, my phone got stolen and was taken to the ECOATM. I just ended up getting it back on Friday. what im trying to figure out is if im still good to root. I have been reading about this zv6 update and im hoping and praying that my phone has not updated. I will have acess to it tomorrow. should I go in as soon as I turn it on and turn off OTA updates and make sure it doesn't update? or do you think that ECO atm went ahead and updated it? I know the service was disconnected on march 25th. also thank you for your time and help
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@me2151, I got a question for you.... I went to jail on march 21st, my phone got stolen and was taken to the ECOATM. I just ended up getting it back on Friday. what im trying to figure out is if im still good to root. I have been reading about this zv6 update and im hoping and praying that my phone has not updated. I will have acess to it tomorrow. should I go in as soon as I turn it on and turn off OTA updates and make sure it doesn't update? or do you think that ECO atm went ahead and updated it? I know the service was disconnected on march 25th. also thank you for your time and help
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if you are concerned with a auto update you can remove the simcard when you turn it on to check what version you are on. I dont know the business practices of ECOATM so i cannot say they did or didnt update it. I would just pray its not zv6
ugh I hope to god not, but where I don't currently have active service on it that should help also?
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Getting back as in downgrading? Correct there is no kdz to downgrade with. However i have confirmed that ARB is still set to 00 on zv6 meaning that if we manage to create a KDZ then zv6 CAN be downgraded.
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So basically if i have any hopes of getting a root ... I shouldnt do any more updates to my v20? And that would be cool to get root for zv6 and some how create a kdz for it if need be!
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So basically if i have any hopes of getting a root ... I shouldnt do any more updates to my v20? And that would be cool to get root for zv6 and some how create a kdz for it if need be!
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Correct.
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Correct.
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Ok dually noted haha
I'm due to buy a new phone any day now, does anyone know if phones are shipping from the factory with ZV6, or do they ship with the original FW and take the update OTA.
Really getting more and more bummed being on Sprint. It seems like each generation root on Sprint gets harder and harder. I can't just buy whatever the current flagship is like I used to and not have to do a ****load of research first.
Samsung S8 -> No root on Snapdragon, maybe ever
LGV20 -> No root on ZV6, but it's being worked on
LG G6 -> No root and from what I've seen things don't look super promising for awhile
I was going to wait a few weeks to see how things are shaking out with the G6, but if the V20 is shipping with the old firmware I'd just buy it now and take the sure bet.
fiver5 said:
I'm due to buy a new phone any day now, does anyone know if phones are shipping from the factory with ZV6, or do they ship with the original FW and take the update OTA.
Really getting more and more bummed being on Sprint. It seems like each generation root on Sprint gets harder and harder. I can't just buy whatever the current flagship is like I used to and not have to do a ****load of research first.
Samsung S8 -> No root on Snapdragon, maybe ever
LGV20 -> No root on ZV6, but it's being worked on
LG G6 -> No root and from what I've seen things don't look super promising for awhile
I was going to wait a few weeks to see how things are shaking out with the G6, but if the V20 is shipping with the old firmware I'd just buy it now and take the sure bet.
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Sucks for us who took the ota.. Were pretty screwed at the moment... It sucks that these devices are loosing root ability... I loved being able to root my phones.. Ugh as for them still coming with old FW im not sure sorry
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Sucks for us who took the ota.. Were pretty screwed at the moment... It sucks that these devices are loosing root ability... I loved being able to root my phones.. Ugh as for them still coming with old FW im not sure sorry
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Just picked this phone up with out doing any research... It automatically updated to the v6 before I realized that the phone is set to auto update.. The v7 notification continues, as if I want it! Any news on rooting v6? Guess I'll just exchange this one for a different color and then make sure it does not auto ruin (update) MY phone! :silly:
LS997Zv6 Let'sGoogle Phone
So at the time of this post, my phone is currently downloading a 1215.98 MB update. Comsidering my last update was only 300 MB, I assume this is nougat. My phone is a k425. I'LL report back once the download is done (which might be a bit; all this weather is killing our internet)
And here's a screenshot for those who are skeptical.
Well the updates almost done; ill report back once I've installed it
Nougat is out for the k425
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Nougat is out for the k425
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Wow. We are waiting for all other models too.
I can also confirm this but with one issue if you use the att go phone version you will not be able to update for a few days as there putting priority on people that have this phone and are under contract. You can work around this by finding a friend and use his sim card as long as there a contract att member to get the update on your phone then switch back after the update. This is only for a few days as the people that are under contract get it first. Sigh
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I can also confirm this but with one issue if you use the att go phone version you will not be able to update for a few days as there putting priority on people that have this phone and are under contract. You can work around this by finding a friend and use his sim card as long as there a contract att member to get the update on your phone then switch back after the update. This is only for a few days as the people that are under contract get it first. Sigh
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It's a good thing that we can build "Lineage OS 14.1" without any hassle.
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It's a good thing that we can build "Lineage OS 14.1" without any hassle.
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Perhaps this will change whether or not we can root this model
Oh wow and now waiting for the mtk variants.
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Oh wow and now waiting for the mtk variants.
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The update is only for t moile and att variants; it seems like they basically paid lg to have them help build this update, so people continue to buy this phone, and not waste so much money on lost sales.
Anyone on MetroPCS get this update?
LG K10 T-MOBILE GOT NOUGAT!
Wow! Thanks! Just checked my phone and got the update.
It's really good news for lg k10 user, But When we will receive nougat update for k10 430dsy?
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It's really good news for lg k10 user, But When we will receive nougat update for k10 430dsy?
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Dude, seriously? About 5 out of your 15 posts are asking about nougat for k430dsy, and 5 about rooting it, stop spamming.
Nobody here knows when or even will k430dsy get nougat, because LG won't say anything.
MetroPCS got it, too.
Battery life is notebly worse after install; after clearing cache about a week or two after install helped it improve
woot
AT&T your update process really bad finally after a month and a half They really need to stop all this release in batches crap with updating it easy just allow people with a valid sim to download the update. No if we can just root lg-k425 and nougat be great. Any one know of a easy way to copy the firmware with out root?
copy firmware
Is there any way to copy this frim ware from my device with out Root?
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Is there any way to copy this frim ware from my device with out Root?
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not needed. Firmware is available for download online.
Anyone thinks that root can actually be achieved?
I'm starting to think no. I'm asking only because if the majority thinks no, I'm going to grab a different device.
Its not impossible, but will take a while. Will get Oreo berore rooted 10p.
Rooted H918 10q Bounty!
We will never get Oreo. T-Mo will leave this phone as is and drop it flat in 1 more year just like the now totally unsupported g4.
I'm starting right now with a $150.00 Root Bounty on the H918-10q!
Who's in?
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We will never get Oreo. T-Mo will leave this phone as is and drop it flat in 1 more year just like the now totally unsupported g4.
I'm starting right now with a $150.00 Root Bounty on the H918-10q!
Who's in?
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Link? I'll add to it
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I wonder why it cannot be rooted since the bootloader is unlockable. Anyway to downgrade firmware to an earlier version that will work?
All unlocking the bootloader does is tell aboot to not verify the integrity of boot, recovery and laf. Yes, you need an unlocked bootloader to have any reasonably rooted phone, but you also need a way to flash those. T-Mobile went into full d**k mode starting with the G5 and pulled all the pertinent fastboot commands -- namely fastboot flash. Figure out a way to flash, and you can have root. I am working on reverse engineering the LAF protocol (the same thing download mode uses). If I (or someone else) can figure it out -- and it is just a matter of time -- then all LG phones that have a boot loader than can be unlocked (H918) OR have an engineering aboot (the rest of the V20s) will be rootable.
hope this is found.. I plan to keep my V20 for a while.. and would love to at least have the ability to root if I make the decision to do it.
Thanks!
right when i decided to root the phone.. now its to late lol
Keep an eye on this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3676011
OP says flashing recovery partition is imminent, just a matter of time.
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I just installed another update.. was hoping it was the bump to OREO... but just now at 10r ...... uggg...
cumofogabriel said:
We will never get Oreo. T-Mo will leave this phone as is and drop it flat in 1 more year just like the now totally unsupported g4.
I'm starting right now with a $150.00 Root Bounty on the H918-10q!
Who's in?
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Count me in for $20!
cumofogabriel said:
We will never get Oreo. T-Mo will leave this phone as is and drop it flat in 1 more year just like the now totally unsupported g4.
I'm starting right now with a $150.00 Root Bounty on the H918-10q!
Who's in?
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I think we will get oreo considering there have been many posts online saying it will come in q1 and I know people are saying they never gave us 7.1 but LG has skipped versions in the past on other phones so that's probably why and T-mobile has been giving security updates I'm on the latest November update
I'll wait to update hope they get a root for this phone on 10q.
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I think we will get oreo considering there have been many posts online saying it will come in q1 and I know people are saying they never gave us 7.1 but LG has skipped versions in the past on other phones so that's probably why and T-mobile has been giving security updates I'm on the latest November update
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We will absolutely get Oreo, this phone is too new not to get it.
I was on nougat until the other night i believe my dog stepped on the update button because it comes up all the time and i usually ignore it. I want to get back to nougat(phone is unuseable on oreo)and root so this never happens again. I just paid it off also. Please give me a hand.
Edit:bootloader v3
Nope it's patched might as well use pie beta now
No root and no downgrade. Have to get another rev 2 since if you want root again or wait to see if it ever becomes available on rev or higher
Sucks so bad. Ive held off that update since i bought it and woke up in the morning to 8.0. Just paid it off also. Now its not even worth that much. Definitely my last flagship and last Samsung.
The guys from one of the safestrap root threads are saying I can get back to nougat as long as I am not past v5 bootloader. Have you heard anything about this?
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The guys from one of the safestrap root threads are saying I can get back to nougat as long as I am not past v5 bootloader. Have you heard anything about this?
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If you are a regular s8 no. The combination file is a nougat system but is not functional as a everyday driver. This device prevents downgrading so yes technically if you flash the combination. It is a 7.0 base but no apps full of bugs. Heat. Crappy battery. No play store no nothing. Combination files are Samsung test imgs again not usable systems. So whoever is telling you this they can tell me too cause unless they said the same as this they are rolling off crap.
If you own a s8+ you posted in the wrong section and yes you can flash the rooted system. Or whatever they use til at least rev 3 bootloader.
Yes I was in the wrong forum. Thanks for the info. I used chat alot with ya on the telegram s8+ channel. Did you ever root yours? What allows the S8+ to be able to go back to nougat using the safestrap/samfail method? I was under the impression the phones were very similar hardware/software wise. Im just happy I can go back to nougat. I hate oreo.
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Yes I was in the wrong forum. Thanks for the info. I used chat alot with ya on the telegram s8+ channel. Did you ever root yours? What allows the S8+ to be able to go back to nougat using the safestrap/samfail method? I was under the impression the phones were very similar hardware/software wise. Im just happy I can go back to nougat. I hate oreo.
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Yeah my s8 had been rooted since like day 5 of having it. They either skipped or just messed up on patching the +. Past to me shows they don't patch the best model. I've seen it with several lgs. Samsung's. The plus models always get more attention.
Yeah I gave up that group, the management and I didn't see eye to eye. Now I run my own ????
Can you pm me your telegram? I'd love to be a part of one again. Thanks again for all your replies.