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Hello,
First of all, i'm very satisfied with the Note 3's Camera. It's very useful and makes very good pictures and is also very fast. The shutter lag is very short in sports mode, and i also love the [email protected] and 4K-Recording. The User Interface of the camera is also designed very well, and it's got a giant amount of features. :good:
Please note, that i've got (the lastest) Android 4.3, because 4.4.2 is very bogus and Lollipop's User Interface is very ugly and lost many features.
But here are three software-features, that you can add, by installing the S6 and M9 Camera APK, but they are only supported from Android 5.0/higher.
1. Real-Time-equivalent Slow Motion / HFR
I'd like to record it like i described it right here, because the displayed playback speed in the player is equivalent to Real-Time and because Audio is recorded. This is also, how the Galaxy S6's Camera Software Application does it.
2. 1440p Video Recording
This is what i need, when i'd like to take a video, which is better than FullHD 1080p, but doesn't eat up as much space as 4K-Video. This is, what the Note 4/S6 Camera application also is capable of.
Bitrates:
FHD - 17 MBit/s
WQHD - 28 MBit/s (like [email protected])
4K-UHD and DCi-4K: 50 MBit/s (sometimes around 48)
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3. Zero Pause Lag/Delay
This is, what the HTC One M9 can do - even in 4K. The last phone i know, which can do this is the Omnia 2.
It allows you, to Rec/Pause/Rec/Pause/etc... a video, without any lag/delay.
You can hit the rec/pause button, as fast as you want, and it always reacts.
The Note 4 and S6 have got a pause delay of around two seconds.
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Here's a list of small things, that are also missing on the Note 3-Camera, but are less important currently.
Hardware
Physical Shutter Button (Priority: 60 %)
OIS Camera (every Flagship Smartphone newer than Med-2014 should have OIS.) (Priority = 70 %)
Mechanical Shutter (makes Picture quality a little bit better but is not so important) Prior.= 20 %
Software
The disadvantages below are so small, that they're pretty much off-topic. I'm satisfied with the Note 3 Camera.
Selective Focus
Tap-to-shoot
AF/AE Lock
Manual Camera Settings
Color Spectrum RGB Sensor (low Priority) (As known from the LG G4)
Laser Auto Focus (low Prior) (as known from LG G3 and G4)
Burst Shot Limit - higher than just 20
Lossy digital zoom is useless. Only Lossless Digital Zoom is good.
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I'm still very satisfied with the Note 3 Camera. ♥
Every help is highly appreciated. But please take this thread seriously.
The main Problem is, that every useful app is only supportet on Android Ugly Edition 5.0.
I don't like the case, if the lowest API that an app supports is 19 or higher.
I miss the old pretty times, where the Note 2 (with it's beautiful TouchWiz Nature UX 1.0) with it's Android 4.0.4 or 4.1.2 or where the Note 3/10.1(2014) with their superior User Interface (TouchWiz NatureUX 2.5) and Android 4.3 were the newest. Then 4.4 ruined all software. Now 5.0 comes with a ruined U/UX.
Also the S5's UI was OK, but lost some features. I like this ocean blue of the S5.
The Note 4's UI+Hardware lost too many features.
Hannah Stern said:
The main Problem is, that every useful app is only supportet on Android Ugly Edition 5.0.
I don't like the case, if the lowest API that an app supports is 19 or higher.
I miss the old pretty times, where the Note 2 (with it's beautiful TouchWiz Nature UX 1.0) with it's Android 4.0.4 or 4.1.2 or where the Note 3/10.1(2014) with their superior User Interface (TouchWiz NatureUX 2.5) and Android 4.3 were the newest. Then 4.4 ruined all software. Now 5.0 comes with a ruined U/UX.
Also the S5's UI was OK, but lost some features. I like this ocean blue of the S5.
The Note 4's UI+Hardware lost too many features.
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Heard of launchers and themes?
And TW is never nice.
Tap-to-Shoot
The Tap-to-Shoot-Feature, which is activated by tapping somewhere in the Viewfinder, isn't in the S4, but actually it does exist on the Note 3.
I have not seen it before.
My large Post in the following link also includes some camera disadvantages, that also hit the Note 3:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61982181&postcount=529
ShutterLag: Good but could be better.
Manual Settings in Jelly Bean API
Unlimited Burst Shots (Lixe Xperia Z)
I would like to ask a general question. Is there any difference between Stock Samsung rom and Lineage rom when it comes to phones features quality? For example, camera, will it still be using same good dual pixel technology? Images will have same quality? Or some of the stock Samsung rom features will be gone? I know that the stock applications will be gone, and that’s a good thing, but I would like to know about the features:
• Samsung fast charging
• Dual pixel camera features
• 24 bit / 192kHz audio
• Wireless charging
• Calls and signal quality
Each Lineage rom has its own enhancements and problems.
It should have a full description of what works / what doesn't. What's included and what isn't.
Rooted devices will encounter Samsung Pay and Android Pay not working.
Tapatalk for Android - Works awesome on my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
I have the same questions....if anyone has answers, please share
Fast charge?.... I don't know but charging speed was same with stock rom.
Wireless charge? Works well.
Dual pixel? Maybe. image quality was same when I took a picture with snap camera app
Calls, signal quality: Doesn't have problem with calls, mobile network signal. However, Lineage os need more strong signal to conmect Wifi. But It's just slightly more.
Audio? If you use audio fx and find proper equalizer setting, You'll never consider it.
Actually, Human being can't distinguish 24 bit 192khz.
I am planning to buy the Le Pro 3 x720 and customise it to have a oneplus 3 experience.
The LEx720 and OP3 has the same camera sensor and almost same processor (snapdragon 821 for LEx720 & snapdragon 820 for OP3)
kimovilDOTcom/en/compare/leeco-le-pro-3-6gb-64gb,oneplus-3-6gb-64gb-cn
Yet the x720 camera reviews are less positive in comparison to the OP3. I guess its the processing.
1. So has someone ever tried the Oneplus camera on the LEx720?
apkmirrorDOTcom/apk/oneplus-ltd/oneplus-camera/
2. Is it possible to have some samples comparison please, especially against the google camera?
My alternative choice would be the Meizu M6 Note which boasts the same camera as the HTC U11 and it's working pretty great with its Arcsoft algorithm.
3. Based solely on camera, can the LEx720 deliver a better image quality than the Meizu M6 Note?
I would really appreciate your views.
Thank you all in advance.
I wouldn't say you're guaranteed to get a Sony sensor. Some people here are reporting that their camera isn't working on custom ROMs like Paranoid Android--which means that they have a different camera sensor (I believe custom ROMs for the Pro3 variants are built with Sony drivers, but IDK). The OnePlus 3 camera is miles better than the Pro3 camera simply because OnePlus bothers to put good camera software on their phones. Not iPhone-quality, but definitely up there. When it comes to cameras, software is a lot more important, IMO. That's why the iPhone 6's camera quality holds up today, even though the phone was released in 2014. Name a single Android phone from 2014 with good camera quality today...
You are not guaranteed good camera quality from Chinese phones. Some Chinese brands claim to make this a priority, but reviews don't lie. Now, Camera2 API may improve quality, but it really depends. Camera2 API has done wonders for variants of the Xiaomi Note 4 stuck with the inferior Omnivision sensor. It's done even more for variants with Sony and Samsung sensors. And I expect it does well for the Pro3 too, since the Pro3 has a chipset with good image processing. Do your research. Look around the forum and search for camera mods. See if you like the results or not. Camera2 API requires you to root your phone.
Sorry, but if you want a flagship-worthy camera experience, you either buy an iPhone 7, 8, or X, a Samsung S8 or Note 8, an OP3T or OP5, or a Pixel phone. Pixel phones have the best smartphone cameras in the market right now, especially the Pixel 2, since it has dedicated hardware for it. I can't think of any other phones that take excellent images no matter where you are or what you're doing. With other brands you'll have to either a) make sure there's enough lighting, b) be in the right place at the right time, or c) do a lot of manual post-processing, which ruins image quality.
I'm okay with my x722's image quality. It takes good shots in sunlight. Low-light performance is awful. Pretty typical experience. I don't know which sensor I have, though. I'd have to be rooted to find that out.
The Meizu M6 Note has a better sensor. Even if its camera software is awful, it's bound to be better. LeEco doesn't even try with its camera app, so Meizu has to be better.
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I wouldn't say you're guaranteed to get a Sony sensor. Some people here are reporting that their camera isn't working on custom ROMs like Paranoid Android--which means that they have a different camera sensor (I believe custom ROMs for the Pro3 variants are built with Sony drivers, but IDK). The OnePlus 3 camera is miles better than the Pro3 camera simply because OnePlus bothers to put good camera software on their phones. Not iPhone-quality, but definitely up there. When it comes to cameras, software is a lot more important, IMO. That's why the iPhone 6's camera quality holds up today, even though the phone was released in 2014. Name a single Android phone from 2014 with good camera quality today...
You are not guaranteed good camera quality from Chinese phones. Some Chinese brands claim to make this a priority, but reviews don't lie. Now, Camera2 API may improve quality, but it really depends. Camera2 API has done wonders for variants of the Xiaomi Note 4 stuck with the inferior Omnivision sensor. It's done even more for variants with Sony and Samsung sensors. And I expect it does well for the Pro3 too, since the Pro3 has a chipset with good image processing. Do your research. Look around the forum and search for camera mods. See if you like the results or not. Camera2 API requires you to root your phone.
Sorry, but if you want a flagship-worthy camera experience, you either buy an iPhone 7, 8, or X, a Samsung S8 or Note 8, an OP3T or OP5, or a Pixel phone. Pixel phones have the best smartphone cameras in the market right now, especially the Pixel 2, since it has dedicated hardware for it. I can't think of any other phones that take excellent images no matter where you are or what you're doing. With other brands you'll have to either a) make sure there's enough lighting, b) be in the right place at the right time, or c) do a lot of manual post-processing, which ruins image quality.
I'm okay with my x722's image quality. It takes good shots in sunlight. Low-light performance is awful. Pretty typical experience. I don't know which sensor I have, though. I'd have to be rooted to find that out.
The Meizu M6 Note has a better sensor. Even if its camera software is awful, it's bound to be better. LeEco doesn't even try with its camera app, so Meizu has to be better.
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Different camera sensor? Has there been a case? Doing so would be nightmare for device maintenance and unless it is a large scale company with a model that gets sold huge quantities (Samsung and Apple), it would just be a unnecessary headache without any benefit. Camera not working on certain custom roms does not indicate different sensor. Far from it. A missing or extra line on device tree or even in build.prop would cause it.
It is true that camera sucks on most of Chinese phones. They've got the hardware but unless you're shooting RAW, end result will be very poor.
However, that was the case before Google HDR+ port. That port makes dramatic different. No reason to use OnePlus camera when OnePlus users are rooting for Google HDR+.
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Different camera sensor? Has there been a case? Doing so would be nightmare for device maintenance and unless it is a large scale company with a model that gets sold huge quantities (Samsung and Apple), it would just be a unnecessary headache without any benefit. Camera not working on certain custom roms does not indicate different sensor. Far from it. A missing or extra line on device tree or even in build.prop would cause it.
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Is that so? Sorry, I didn't know that. I thought it strange that the camera would work on ROMs installed on some devices but not others.
It is true that camera sucks on most of Chinese phones. They've got the hardware but unless you're shooting RAW, end result will be very poor.
However, that was the case before Google HDR+ port. That port makes dramatic different. No reason to use OnePlus camera when OnePlus users are rooting for Google HDR+.
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Yeah, Gcam changed everything. Now phones with the worst sensors get decent shots, even at night.
I am very interested in buying the Honor 9 however the poor quality in low light is kinda refraining me from doing so. I've seen that other devices such as G6 have reached an improvements with a Google pixel camera mod and I was wondering if there was something similar for Honor 9?
Why not try out some of the other dozens of cam apps on the store?
i have my Z5C from 2016 (now rooted)
im still happy with him most of the time, beside indoor \lowlight photos
on average most flagship 2019 its only twice faster(benchmarks),
i dont feel its worth upgrade yet (my usage is mostly music\gps\whatsapp , camera once in a while, rarely games
i had thought about buy the S10E i prefer small phones with stereo frontal speakers but still expensive
you still have Z5C as main?
if not? what did you have now?
I still have it as main, but i'm thinking about upgrading to XZ1 Compact.
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I still have it as main, but i'm thinking about upgrading to XZ1 Compact.
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why do you want sony again? (z5c its my 2nd sony phone, i had LiveWithWalkman (W19A) before
but they barely updating their phones and the speakers not as loud anymore
example all google pixels got android 9 now even the oldest pixel 1, while z5's is only 7.1
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why do you want sony again? (z5c its my 2nd sony phone, i had LiveWithWalkman (W19A) before
but they barely updating their phones and the speakers not as loud anymore
example all google pixels got android 9 now even the oldest pixel 1, while z5's is only 7.1
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I want sony again because: 1. The software is great 2. i am still happy with the compact form factor 3. they are very durable, Sony cares a lot about battery lifespan and general build quality wich is a huge deal for me. My 5 year old xperia m2 is still getting my dad through the day without needing to replace the battery, and the same thing is going on with my current z5 compact. Meanwhile i keep seeing 2 year old Xiaomis, huawei and iPhones having battery degradation issues all the time. Also, there is no way of breaking or bending these bricks. 4. I don't like the shady stuff going on with chinese brands like huawei, oppo, etc. 5. i am going to repeat point 2... there isn't an alternative... s10e? too expensive and i don't like the software (Not to mention that it's still a lot bigger and it has worse battery performance). mi a2 lite? hate the notch, don't like the brand much and most importantly it's an outdated low end phone. Pixel 3a? still much bigger, but would've been a nice choice... if it didn't have worse cpu and battery.
These are the only "current" compact phones, and except for the s10e wich i don't like... they are all over-all worse than the xz1c.
barely updating their phones? they are still giving you 2 years of fast updates, and honestly... i don't care much about them. Maybe the xz1c won't receive android q but i'll put aosp extended on it anyways. Treble Support means you are going to get lots of custom roms. You don't have to fight with non-existent drivers like for the Z5c. Oreo and Pie fully working on Z5c? almost impossible. Android Q on xz1c? no problems.
The z5 received lollipop, marshmallow and nougat. the pixel received nougat, oreo and pie. It's the same number of major updates so far. Most brands don't even reach 2 major updates... i really don't understand why you are criticizing one of the better aspects of sony phones by comparing it with google phones that are the best in the market for that...
the speakers... i use them once per week, i mostly use headphones. And... the xz1 compact still has the headphone jack. Also, you are complaining about loud-ness, not sound quality. Wich is still top notch. If i need loud speakers, i'll just buy a 20€ bluetooth speaker.
i think the camera it's a much higher issue, but again i don't use it that much and photos get compressed when you send them anyways...
tl:dr : i am going to buy the xz1 compact because it's my only choice, and it's still a great phone.
i absolutely LOVE the z5 compact, the issues i have with it are: heating and low battery performance (also, lack of stable custom roms excluding LineageOS, the xz1c already has stable aex wich is my favourite)
By buying the xz1c i am completely eliminating these issues while keeping the same size and design (and getting an overall much better device).
woah i wrote a lot more than expected.
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I want sony again because: 1. The software is great 2. i am still happy with the compact form factor 3. they are very durable, Sony cares a lot about battery lifespan and general build quality wich is a huge deal for me. My 5 year old xperia m2 is still getting my dad through the day without needing to replace the battery, and the same thing is going on with my current z5 compact. Meanwhile i keep seeing 2 year old Xiaomis, huawei and iPhones having battery degradation issues all the time. Also, there is no way of breaking or bending these bricks. 4. I don't like the shady stuff going on with chinese brands like huawei, oppo, etc. 5. i am going to repeat point 2... there isn't an alternative... s10e? too expensive and i don't like the software (Not to mention that it's still a lot bigger and it has worse battery performance). mi a2 lite? hate the notch, don't like the brand much and most importantly it's an outdated low end phone. Pixel 3a? still much bigger, but would've been a nice choice... if it didn't have worse cpu and battery.
These are the only "current" compact phones, and except for the s10e wich i don't like... they are all over-all worse than the xz1c.
barely updating their phones? they are still giving you 2 years of fast updates, and honestly... i don't care much about them. Maybe the xz1c won't receive android q but i'll put aosp extended on it anyways. Treble Support means you are going to get lots of custom roms. You don't have to fight with non-existent drivers like for the Z5c. Oreo and Pie fully working on Z5c? almost impossible. Android Q on xz1c? no problems.
The z5 received lollipop, marshmallow and nougat. the pixel received nougat, oreo and pie. It's the same number of major updates so far. Most brands don't even reach 2 major updates... i really don't understand why you are criticizing one of the better aspects of sony phones by comparing it with google phones that are the best in the market for that...
the speakers... i use them once per week, i mostly use headphones. And... the xz1 compact still has the headphone jack. Also, you are complaining about loud-ness, not sound quality. Wich is still top notch. If i need loud speakers, i'll just buy a 20€ bluetooth speaker.
i think the camera it's a much higher issue, but again i don't use it that much and photos get compressed when you send them anyways...
tl:dr : i am going to buy the xz1 compact because it's my only choice, and it's still a great phone.
i absolutely LOVE the z5 compact, the issues i have with it are: heating and low battery performance (also, lack of stable custom roms excluding LineageOS, the xz1c already has stable aex wich is my favourite)
By buying the xz1c i am completely eliminating these issues while keeping the same size and design (and getting an overall much better device).
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good review, its also easy to unlock and root the 2nd reason why is ive got another sony, on battery life my battery is still good, but also overheating forgot about the 2 giga RAM every big apps are closing
now im on linage 14.1 with google camera(max 8MP but still very good) and improved UX\GUI speed overall
i also prefer small factor (one hand operate +small in the pocket) xz1c is great idea,but where i live i can get for about 300euro (or ebay for about the same price) other down sides , its: 1 camera (no telephone and wide), body to screen ratio ,
btw why not xz2c? because it abit bigger?
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btw why not xz2c? because it abit bigger?
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There are lots of reasons why i think xz2c is worse... i don't even know where to start.
1. Worse battery life and overall efficiency
2. Performance on the xz2c is only like... a fraction of a second faster at opening apps, gaming? well, because of the lower resolution the xz1 compact runs smoother and less power hungry...
3. Custom roms: xz1c already has LineageOS and AEX wich i love. Both roms are available oreo and pie and AEX on oreo also supports gcam (with hdr this time). XZ2c? Only OmniRom pie so far. Also i bet that when official updates end for the xz1c (it's happening very soon) we will start seeing even more roms.
4. Headphone jack
5. well... the bigger screen means that not only when watching videos you get black bars but... i read somewhere that when watching 16:9 videos, they are acutually bigger on xz1c. I prefer a standard 16:9 screen. Having that bit of more space means you will have to stretch your thumb much more to reach the notification panel.
6. I don't like the new design, it's too thick.
7. Fingerprint scanner at the side is better
8. Much higher price
9. No wide angle front camera
For me, it's only cons. The rear camera is better but i rarely use it anyways.
thanks!
i didnt think about screen the 16:9 ratio even if ill buy s10e the 5.8 screen will be about like 5.2" because the blackbars anyway, also i dont like notches and punch-holes
i agree on the headphone jack and the finger scan also, i didnt notice that
anyway you are right x1zc its a good purchase, and upgrade over the z5c, i would bought the xz1c too, but i think 300 euro it abit expensive for 2yr old phone even if its high end didnt found 2nd hand, (if ill find cheaper ill buy)
(my z5c was about 800 euro when it was new)
they rarely make's any high-end small flagship phones anymore, sony was the last one to do so
I'm considering a xz2 compact because my z5c lacks performance and battery-life (even with a fresh install of MROM, which is a lot better then lineage). Also my rear camera broke.
What i don't like about the xz2c is the curved display (protectors don't fit) and the bad sd-card performance (i'm using a 400gb card quite heavily).
I also don't like that for the same money (~400€) i could get a technically far superior s8, but it's just a lot bigger.
Not sure which way to go.
The xz1c also might be a nice replacement at a good price.
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I still have it as main, but i'm thinking about upgrading to XZ1 Compact.
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Do it. That's EXACTLY what I did
Best thing about it is that XZ1 Compact vs Z5 Compact is that it doesn't "scream in pain" if you work it hard
I still have it. Tried last week S10e but sent it back because no FM-radio function (tried everything) and did not work well with 2014 WV car bluetooth as media player.
Changed Z5C battery lately (because the old lasted only 4-5 hours), it cost 70€. No better results until I factory reset pfone and then got 20-28 hours with average usage. So still happy with Sony, photos are crap but it's small and does all I need.
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I still have it. Tried last week S10e but sent it back because no FM-radio function
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can't you just use internet radio? it's even better than regular fm in sound quality and never has artifacts
TheVan28 said:
can't you just use internet radio? it's even better than regular fm in sound quality and never has artifacts
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I don"t have internet access in cellars where I'm often being working and by using streaming over mobile data, the battery lasts about 3x less than using FM radio over FM radiowaves.