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Onnia 7 QC issues?

(why is there no omnia 7 forum?)
I've just been told by t-mobile that the Omnia 7 has QC issues and their deliveries yesterday were returned to their suppliers, anyone know what these might be?

I just picked one up today from Orange!.. I wonder if mine is affected
I heard from vodafone store that their delivery of LG Optimus (Win7) came in and had to be recalled immediately without sale due to a bluetooth issue.

The build quality of the Omnia is one of the things that worries me after reports like this and the issues with the Galaxy series.
Evilanglic, since you now have your hands on one, what are your impressions of the device? Does it seem solid?

Much more solid than I was expecting. I thought it would feel like a light plastic shell like the Samsung Galaxy S.
It really is very nice, no creaks, just a solid slab of deep black technology! Good times.
The back is actually wrapped in metal to the edge of the screen on the sides, it is only the top and bottom of the device which are solid plastic sort-of-cap/ends of the device.
You definitely can't call it a unibody (or can you?..) but as I say... sort of mostly 'wrapped' in a sheet of metal.
It was a close call between the (SAMOLED) Omnia and the (very nice crisp LCD) HTC Mozart, the latter fits the hand better of course due to size, but in the end the slick all black face of the Omnia, adorned with its high contrast SAMOLED screen, just made it worth it despite the low actual PPI!
It would have been nice if the rockers and camera buttons where more metallic or... metal, but instead they are old school black plastic. They work well nonetheless.
The home button is also not the most premium of push switches (compared to iPhone of course) but it is nice to have a soild key!
I would urge you to get both of these devices side by side in the store if you can, but be careful because it took me at least 20 minutes to tell the man which one I wanted to take out lol...
Here are a few pics of the construction as links:

I'm jealous. I have about 2 weeks before WP7 comes out in the US. That and you guys got the better selection of phones (minus Micro SD expansion). I am definitely getting the Focus though. Best choice out of the options available in my opinion.

ryotgz said:
I'm jealous. I have about 2 weeks before WP7 comes out in the US. That and you guys got the better selection of phones (minus Micro SD expansion). I am definitely getting the Focus though. Best choice out of the options available in my opinion.
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It's very un-Microsoft!

Freypal said:
The build quality of the Omnia is one of the things that worries me after reports like this and the issues with the Galaxy series.
Evilanglic, since you now have your hands on one, what are your impressions of the device? Does it seem solid?
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Yeah. I wont touch a single Samsung phone after the trouble the Vibrant gave my stepmom. It's not fun trying to give tech support to someone 1500 miles away, over the phone with the issues, to a lady with no clue about technology.
EDIT: It reminded me of the time I had to help someone with Windows ME. They didn't know where the "desktop" was! As you can imagine, that was a loooooong phone call.

ericc191 said:
Yeah. I wont touch a single Samsung phone after the trouble the Vibrant gave my stepmom. It's not fun trying to give tech support to someone 1500 miles away, over the phone with the issues, to a lady with no clue about technology.
EDIT: It reminded me of the time I had to help someone with Windows ME. They didn't know where the "desktop" was! As you can imagine, that was a loooooong phone call.
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I've owned a few samsungs in the past (years ago lol), and they didn't give me any trouble. I suppose it was before the major smartphone race of the the last few years though haha.
I only went for the Omnia after holding it myself, there was no way I was going to order a Samsung phone without getting into a store and exploring it - but it was more solid than expected.
Hopefully if there are any support problems in the future, I will just take it to the high street store I got it from and play super dumb and demand a replacement or different phone lol... no harm done.
It seems like a negative thing to say but keep in mind that the phone really is good right now, no problems at all, everything works perfectly so far.
Note for those not in the know: the location based issues of Android Samsungs are not present here! On maps it focuses down with GSM triangulation and GPS pinpoint kicks in a couple of seconds later, super speedy!

Well that's a relief. I suppose the biggest factor that makes it feel so much better is that it's got some metal, right?

Mine's just arrived.
First impressions are very good. It feels very sturdy with no creaks and the metal casing is nice. It feels much more solid than my HTC Blackstone, although I am worried about such a large screen getting damaged!
It's going to have to stay off whilst the sim card registers. Annoying wait ahead!

How come you got this over the mozart?

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How come you got this over the mozart?
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I was reading conflicting reviews on the Mozart's camera and since I mainly use my mobile for web browsing the extra screen acres sold it for me.
The screen quality is awsome by the way. The device also looks way better in the flesh. It seems it may also have Cornings gorilla glass which would be a welcome addition!

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I was reading conflicting reviews on the Mozart's camera and since I mainly use my mobile for web browsing the extra screen acres sold it for me.
The screen quality is awsome by the way. The device also looks way better in the flesh. It seems it may also have Cornings gorilla glass which would be a welcome addition!
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For web browsing I might have thought it possibly more comfortable to use the Mozart's SLCD with RGB pixels (higher subpixel count) if you have good eyes that is lol.
I just cant get over how amazing the 4" SAMOLED looks though...
Because of the all black screen surround, and the nature of the WP7 text laid out to the edge of the screen, it sort of looks like your phone is just one massive display, which a lot of it is... lol
The blacks of the SAMOLED just merge with the black surround! So cool.
Where does the screen end?! lol
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I am a happy omnia 7 owner. Just like what the other said, solid construction, beautiful screen.
But the build in app is sub-par (vs lg optimus) and I hope I don't regret choosing a device with 8GB of storage.
Cheers

A user over on MoDaCo forums is reporting that their T-Mobile account manager has told them that the Omnia 7 has been temporarily pulled due to software issues.
I've been waiting on one of these for some time as well, and was told today that their most recent update for handset stocks (issued internally today) did not include a new batch of Omnia 7s. The CSR I spoke to wouldn't be drawn on any specific problems with the handset, except to say that "there have been a few issues" with the ones we've received, and that I would be receiving a call in due course to let me know when mine would be delivered.
Does anyone else know anything about this?

gcaw - apparently they have dispatched Omnia 7's now on T-mobile, so I'd get on the phone ASAP.

risq - many thanks for letting me know about that. As it happens, fifteen hours after I'd made my previous post, I received a call from T-Mobile to let me know that they had stock and confirming delivery later today, but I'm grateful that you informed me of that - and hopefully others will have taken note of that information and successfully placed orders themselves.
I was also pleased to hear from the CSR (the same one I spoke to yesterday) that T-Mobile is extending the same deal to new Omnia 7 owners as it offers to Android buyers, giving 3GB of monthly data usage at no additional cost, rather than the standard 1GB offered under the fair usage policy for other handsets.
Compared with the rather pitiful 500MB offered on O2's contracts, that's a pretty awesome deal.

QC seems top notch!
Posted this on another forum. I'm happy about the build:
Well it had to happen sooner or later, in under a week I've dropped the Omnia 7 while lazily trying to hit snooze just moments ago (typing this message with my phone now lol). Dropped from about table height, and while it was dark, sounded like it landed on a corner first... Picked it up in the dark and dropped it again, this time hitting face flat on the ground.. My floors got a wood finish on top of a normal concrete slab so its pretty solid. Shocked and not feeling so lazy anymore, turned lights on, inspected phone, and absolutely no scratches to be seen...i think this is due to the matte looking polycarbonate plastic they use, plus the color looking like its been amalgamated with the actual plastic, I say this because I remember on my htc touch HD the bezel would scratch/chip so easily because all it was was some cheap paint over plastic/metal? As for glass, i read it's gorilla glass, whether or not it is, I'm glad it isn't scratched... My screen protector can't come soon enough,
Either way, I'm glad to know the Omnia7 is a solid beast . Though in truth, after dropping it, my excitement and feelings of it being a new toy has slightly washed off... My feeling now is 'it might be damaged somewhere'

Nexus 6 Quality Issues (2 out of 2 phones)

So, I bought a Nexus 6 for my wife and at first it was great. But a few weeks later, she was complaining about the camera. I check it out and there is definitely something wrong. It seems that sometimes when the camera focuses, the optical image stabilizer would jump around. It moves so much, that it seems to hit it's limits and you hear it "click". Makes recording videos useless. Worse than having no stabilizer at all.
We're beyond the 14-day return period for Sprint, so I do an advanced exchange RMA with Motorola. Two days later, the replacement phone arrives. It looks like a brand-new sealed box. But when I take the phone out, I see the back cover is separating from the phone. How does the phone like this even get put into a box? Unless the back cover separated after it was placed inside? I didn't even bother to try to turn it on and contacted Motorola via online chat. We'll see what the next steps are, but so far, I'm not impressed with the quality control. Customer service response is pretty good so far.
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I am not going to say its anyone's fault but could be multiple things .... Have you seen how package companies treat packages they are shipping .... But yes more than likely that is a problem from factory
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Yeah, but not in this case. The box had a few minor dings, but was in otherwise near-perfect condition. The seal was still in perfect shape.

Looks like the battery ploded
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I had the same,
but not with the back cover problem. I had my original Nexus 6 replaced 2 times.
Within 3-4 days of minimal use my nexus 6 was getting a deep scratch on the screen which was very annoying.
This is the 3rd nexus 6 i am using and i did not take out the protector with which it came with until i bought a screen guard.
So i am still worried, if i take out the screen guard it will get a scratch again.
GG3 does not seem to be implemented in nexus 6 i guess.

After three weeks, my camera got progressively worse, taking blurry shots and double exposures,.. Looked like the optical stabilization failed, I got RMA started on 30 Dec, but finally I should receive My replacement today..... Here's hoping I don't have problems.

udimars30 said:
I had the same,
but not with the back cover problem. I had my original Nexus 6 replaced 2 times.
Within 3-4 days of minimal use my nexus 6 was getting a deep scratch on the screen which was very annoying.
This is the 3rd nexus 6 i am using and i did not take out the protector with which it came with until i bought a screen guard.
So i am still worried, if i take out the screen guard it will get a scratch again.
GG3 does not seem to be implemented in nexus 6 i guess.
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I've been using mine for more than two weeks now without any screen protector and the screen is perfect! I even carry it in my bag together with my Lumia 1520 and no problems at all! And Yes, the Nexus 6 IS with Gorilla Glass 3! I've seen people trying very hard to scratch this glass and they have all failed!

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I've been using mine for more than two weeks now without any screen protector and the screen is perfect! I even carry it in my bag together with my Lumia 1520 and no problems at all! And Yes, the Nexus 6 IS with Gorilla Glass 3! I've seen people trying very hard to scratch this glass and they have all failed!
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It scratches Buddy trust me. My nexus 5 has a few

I replaced my att nexus 6 5 times for various problem. I don't want to get it started here. Anyways, I was expecting a lot better build quaility for this price point comparing to N5. I am really disappointed. GG Motorola.

What camera are you using to take the pictures of the Defects?
The warranty process with Motorola is always good. The advance exchange program is what sets Motorola apart from the rest. I had to replace a Moto G once through this program, and very seamless with 2-day shipping.
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So, I bought a Nexus 6 for my wife and at first it was great. But a few weeks later, she was complaining about the camera. I check it out and there is definitely something wrong. It seems that sometimes when the camera focuses, the optical image stabilizer would jump around. It moves so much, that it seems to hit it's limits and you hear it "click". Makes recording videos useless. Worse than having no stabilizer at all.
We're beyond the 14-day return period for Sprint, so I do an advanced exchange RMA with Motorola. Two days later, the replacement phone arrives. It looks like a brand-new sealed box. But when I take the phone out, I see the back cover is separating from the phone. How does the phone like this even get put into a box? Unless the back cover separated after it was placed inside? I didn't even bother to try to turn it on and contacted Motorola via online chat. We'll see what the next steps are, but so far, I'm not impressed with the quality control. Customer service response is pretty good so far.
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arjun90 said:
What camera are you using to take the pictures of the Defects?
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A Canon 70D with a Sigma 18-35 f/1.8.

Ha, no wonder your pictures are so darn good. I need an SLR!
Thank you.
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A Canon 70D with a Sigma 18-35 f/1.8.
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On my 5th (One DOA). My current device has the loud, clicky haptic feedback. I've had HTC devices that had clicky haptic, but this is the worst I've experienced. I'm just going to keep it unless it gets worse. After all the screen uniformity issues I've seen, I have no energy left to play the RMA lottery anymore.
Love/hate relationship.
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I am getting my T-Mobile warranty phone today next day shipping. OIS failed, bad battery (max 4 hr SOT), yellow screen even when RGB'd and red when low brightness, noisy vibration. Hope this one is better or I'll be jumping to a Z3 possibly. My GF had to warranty her Z3 for a dead LCD so I'm not convinced it'd be better...

ken830 said:
So, I bought a Nexus 6 for my wife and at first it was great. But a few weeks later, she was complaining about the camera. I check it out and there is definitely something wrong. It seems that sometimes when the camera focuses, the optical image stabilizer would jump around. It moves so much, that it seems to hit it's limits and you hear it "click". Makes recording videos useless. Worse than having no stabilizer at all.
We're beyond the 14-day return period for Sprint, so I do an advanced exchange RMA with Motorola. Two days later, the replacement phone arrives. It looks like a brand-new sealed box. But when I take the phone out, I see the back cover is separating from the phone. How does the phone like this even get put into a box? Unless the back cover separated after it was placed inside? I didn't even bother to try to turn it on and contacted Motorola via online chat. We'll see what the next steps are, but so far, I'm not impressed with the quality control. Customer service response is pretty good so far.
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Just a few observations. The phone would never be able to fit in the box with any bulge. Secondly, for a bulge to be that size it would be there are a lot of torque, yet the sides are popping off. The backcover is flexible but not so flexible as to do that where only that portion pops up like that. Perhaps a thin plastic like the Note 4, but not the hard plastic on the Nexus 6. As bad as the QC is, the factory or the guy would have to be insane to let that out of the factory. The visible glue suggests excessive pulling force. Seems like a botched attempt at removing the back to me

situman said:
Just a few observations. The phone would never be able to fit in the box with any bulge. Secondly, for a bulge to be that size it would be there are a lot of torque, yet the sides are popping off. The backcover is flexible but not so flexible as to do that where only that portion pops up like that. Perhaps a thin plastic like the Note 4, but not the hard plastic on the Nexus 6. As bad as the QC is, the factory or the guy would have to be insane to let that out of the factory. The visible glue suggests excessive pulling force. Seems like a botched attempt at removing the back to me
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I don't have an obligation to defend myself, but I can assure you that the phone came out of the box like that. The bulge is only on one edge and it is maybe 1/8"? That's not enough to "burst" out of the box. It's definitely close-able, even if the phone is not lying completely flat. But think about this logically -- what reason do I have to make a post like this if I had somehow botched an attempt at removing the back? And what's the reason for removing the back cover anyhow? Is there something I can get to that I'm not aware of? And if I were trying to remove the back, well, it doesn't look botched at all -- Why not just continue to pull the back off? I would be half-way there. It just doesn't make any sense.

ken830 said:
I don't have an obligation to defend myself, but I can assure you that the phone came out of the box like that. The bulge is only on one edge and it is maybe 1/8"? That's not enough to "burst" out of the box. It's definitely close-able, even if the phone is not lying completely flat. But think about this logically -- what reason do I have to make a post like this if I had somehow botched an attempt at removing the back? And what's the reason for removing the back cover anyhow? Is there something I can get to that I'm not aware of? And if I were trying to remove the back, well, it doesn't look botched at all -- Why not just continue to pull the back off? I would be half-way there. It just doesn't make any sense.
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I think the problem is your pic of the phone is so darn good. Aw, SLRs. The good old days. Everyone is used to ****ty cell phone pics now.
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Received my RMA and it was not in new packaging but had a factory screen protector. OIS works on this and the vibration is not fudged.

I read about the lifting problem on Phandroid, but the picture they posted wasn't nearly as bad as this one. Your experience is probably an exception amongst exceptions.

I feel sorry for you,I hope it resolves well.
I have two (white) Nexus 6's coming from Amazon France (apparently it has a full warranty on them so..), now getting a bit worried that the quality might not be up to par. For the price point, I was expecting better. I've seen more than enough articles/posts on the net from people with problems; for the lack of phones currently releasing in the market, I'd say a good amount have defects. Hopefully the two phones I've just ordered have come from a 'second'/newer batch produced with higher QC, and hopefully your replacement for this 2nd Nexus you have is also the same.
Good luck!

Pissed off Verizon Customer

Alright so I am a pissed off Verizon customer and need someone to talk me off the ledge (Not really). I bought a Moto X Pure but decided to send it back for the Nexus 6p due to three factors: Better Camera, Better Software Support and weight/thinness of the device. I am a huge Cyanogenmod fan and I will only move away from my LG G4 to a device that supports Cyanogenmod. The Nexus 6p looks great on paper and in reviews, HOWEVER, this bending and glass breaking issue has me really concerned. I believe that Nexus 6p will be supported with Cyanogenmod better than the Moto. The Moto is now looking better due to being a little better build quality. All I want is Cyanogenmod with a phone on Verizon that takes great low light photos. Of course going back three models would suck but it would better than this piece of sh*t G4. Should I be that concerned about the quality issue with the 6p? Is there anyone else on Verizon that has Cyanogenmod that can vouch for another device that would work?
Mods please put this in QA. lol I doubt anyone will see it there but rules are rules.

Mine has been perfect so far. You shouldn't be that worried anyways. You can always RMA it if any problems arise. Google customer service is usually pretty good. If not you forgot about the Nexus 5X. Same Camera as the 6P. Lighter and also should have same amount of support for CyanogenMod.

It's all bs. Just buy it. It's solid and camera is great.

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Mine has been perfect so far. You shouldn't be that worried anyways. You can always RMA it if any problems arise. Google customer service is usually pretty good. If not you forgot about the Nexus 5X. Same Camera as the 6P. Lighter and also should have same amount of support for CyanogenMod.
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Ah good point. I thought that the 5x had a different camera.

quantumprepper said:
Ah good point. I thought that the 5x had a different camera.
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According to multiple tech sources they're the same. Can anyone verify? Maybe iFixIt
EDIT: Yea it's confirmed on iFixit that they indeed are the same cameras.
"This 12.3 MP camera features the same Sony*IMX377image sensor and ƒ/2.0 lens as found in the 5X, but thanks to the boost in processing power from the Snapdragon 810, the 6P can take advantage of an EIS (electronic image stabilization) algorithm, and shoot slow-mo video at up to 240 fps."
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus+6P+Teardown/51660

There's nothing wrong with the 6P, but I gotta ask, why do you want CM if you have stock android already?

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There's nothing wrong with the 6P, but I gotta ask, why do you want CM if you have stock android already?
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Why not? Isn't that the point of Nexus? Options. ?

This device is solid. There's small defects with manufacturing like the screen but that's with any device.
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Speaking of options. Any news on Paranoid Android? Is the team gone? They were my favorite roms on the Nexus 5.

So I pick up my wife's old LG G3 (At&t) running Cyanogenmod and it runs buttery smooth. I love the responsive animations to the settings options, color scheme, layout to boot animation. I like cyanogenmod because I don't have to mod my phone much after it's installed. In the past with roms I always seem to have to 'tweak' and 'retweak' things and I really don't want to spend time doing it. I like the constant updates/tweaks that the devs do. I also like the fact that I can submit bug reports and they seem to get fixed fairly fast. Cyanogenmod has filled the gap between Google's interpretation of a good phone and my interpretation.

How does this have anything with being a Verizon customer?

Exactly, my point. Not sure what the selection of phone has anything to do with Verizon

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How does this have anything with being a Verizon customer?
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Verizon is locked down like crazy. I am stuck on Verizon due to where I live. I need comments from others that are on Verizon because they know exactly what I am talking about. lol
Adding in that most phones on Verizon are bootloader locked so right now the only options I have are Nexus or Moto X

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Verizon is locked down like crazy. I am stuck on Verizon due to where I live. I need comments from others that are on Verizon because they know exactly what I am talking about. lol
Adding in that most phones on Verizon are bootloader locked so right now the only options I have are Nexus or Moto X
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I'm on Verizon. Got my 6P on Saturday (Which I received on Saturday thanks to winning the #WhyIXDA contest). The device is solid. The videos and forum posts talking about issues with the device had me concerned. But after popping in the SIM from my Verizon bought N6 I haven't looked back. It runs great and feels great. The phone actually fell once on my hardwood floor from a small coffee table and my heart sank. I picked it up and not even a scratch or blemish of any kind. It is the best unlocked device (and best device period IMHO) you will be able to get on Verizon.
Actually come to think of it though. The only issue I'm having is not receiving my Voicemail notifications. There is no Visual Voicemail app like there was on my N6, and the voicemail section in the Dialer app doesn't display any of my voicemails. I do however receive a text of random letters from Verizon whenever I get a voicemail, so for me, that serves as my notification. Minor annoyance at the worst for me.
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Its pretty weird, because I do not have the same issue. I have my Nexus 6P on verizon as well. my only issue was that I was unable to use internet & phone at the same time. One call to Tech support and getting Advanced calling(Which is free) added to my corporate account, the issue has been resolved. I hate the fact that, I had to pay 15$ to get a Nano sim from verizon store.

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I'm on Verizon. Got my 6P on Saturday (Which I received on Saturday thanks to winning the #WhyIXDA contest). The device is solid. The videos and forum posts talking about issues with the device had me concerned. But after popping in the SIM from my Verizon bought N6 I haven't looked back. It runs great and feels great. The phone actually fell once on my hardwood floor from a small coffee table and my heart sank. I picked it up and not even a scratch or blemish of any kind. It is the best unlocked device (and best device period IMHO) you will be able to get on Verizon.
Actually come to think of it though. The only issue I'm having is not receiving my Voicemail notifications. There is no Visual Voicemail app like there was on my N6, and the voicemail section in the Dialer app doesn't display any of my voicemails. I do however receive a text of random letters from Verizon whenever I get a voicemail, so for me, that serves as my notification. Minor annoyance at the worst for me.
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I literally just had this happen on my 6P (visual voicemail texts). Go go your google voice page, at setup voicemail to go through your google voice. I have no idea how it works, but literally nothing has changed other than when I ring my phone now it picks up my google voicemail, and the messages then text (transcribed) and e-mail.
I was initially confused as it said it was going to use my google number, and it must be in some way, but it's seamless from the caller's side, and from mine. My verizon number still works exactly as you'd expect.

quantumprepper said:
Alright so I am a pissed off Verizon customer and need someone to talk me off the ledge (Not really).
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Don't do it man! Don't do it!!!!!
I had mine all of 10 minutes before it exploded. I swear they found a way to perma-coat the Nexus 6P in grease. It slid off a perfectly flat surface, and made a terrible screeching sound on the way down (which was much louder coming out of the top speaker), landed on a corner and BOOOOOOM!! Right before impact the camera glass shattered and the volume button swapped which side of the phone it was on. The resulting conflaguration was simply amazing. I caught the whole thing in slow-mo on my Nexus 5X. The cat will never be the same. Most of the fur should grow back though. Can't say the same for the burns in the padded carpet and hole in the concrete.
Here is a picture my neighbor managed to get:
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I feel better now.

Elnrik said:
Don't do it man! Don't do it!!!!!
I had mine all of 10 minutes before it exploded. I swear they found a way to perma-coat the Nexus 6P in grease. It slid off a perfectly flat surface, and made a terrible screeching sound on the way down (which was much louder coming out of the top speaker), landed on a corner and BOOOOOOM!! Right before impact the camera glass shattered and the volume button swapped which side of the phone it was on. The resulting conflaguration was simply amazing. I caught the whole thing in slow-mo on my Nexus 5X. The cat will never be the same. Most of the fur should grow back though. Can't say the same for the burns in the padded carpet and hole in the concrete.
Here is a picture my neighbor managed to get:
/troll off
I feel better now.
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Lol.
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I have had my 6p for about a week. Just got the ota to the L build yesterday. I am using a thin silicone case and no screen protector yet. I am a commercial kitchen equipment repair guy, so I'm in hot, grimy, and hard situations all day long. My nexus had not bent, no scratches on the screen, fingerprint works even when my fingers are filthy.
Battery
Today, I took the phone off the charger at 5:30 am, and its 6:20 pm with 34% battery under heavy use.
Camera
For the first time ever, I was able to get quality pictures of my kids on stage during a chorus performance even hd video worked well.
I've tested every thing I can think of and its flawless and buttery.
Still on stock, but will probably go to custom rom.
I'm coming from note edge on Verizon with locked bootloader, and couldn't get a permanent root.
But I gotta say, I'm happy enough to stay stock with this phone.

I'm on Verizon and I love this phone. The bending and glass breakage rumors are false. I even dropped the phone twice before my case arrived (I got the Adopted protective case because the phone is slippery when naked), once on my hardwood floor and not a blemish, dent, scratch, nothing.
I'm a dog walker so the phone is in and out of my pocket all day long, lots of bending down and walking, and it's still perfect after 8 days of heavy use.
Got the ota update yesterday which made me very happy as a Verizon customer who is accustomed to never getting updates.

Verizon has the Pixel2's in store on the floor

I just left the Verizon store in Sugar Land, they have Hands-On units to play with if you guys are interested.

What's your hands-on review?

I thought about going in to check one out. Then I decided not to torture myself like that. I gave up masochism years ago.

I played with one today for about 2 minutes in a store by my house and I liked it. It was noticeably snappier than my 6p and felt great in my hand. Didn't have time to mess with camera but I'm now even more excited to get my 2 xl in 2 weeks (or less)
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I must say, the speakers are very nice. The stupid tether that Verizon, and everyone else uses kills the true hands on experience. The phone is barely bigger than my v30, Sleek and sexy. I am sure you'll enjoy it.

[email protected] said:
I must say, the speakers are very nice. The stupid tether that Verizon, and everyone else uses kills the true hands on experience. The phone is barely bigger than my v30, Sleek and sexy. I am sure you'll enjoy it.
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Im thinking of getting the V30 instead. Which do you like more?

[email protected] said:
I must say, the speakers are very nice. The stupid tether that Verizon, and everyone else uses kills the true hands on experience. The phone is barely bigger than my v30, Sleek and sexy. I am sure you'll enjoy it.
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As I walked into Verizon they were about to mount the pixel 2 xl so they let me play with it before they mounted and it felt really great in the hand, alot lighter than I anticipated, and the texture on the metal felt suprising premium, I thought it was going to feel like a cheap phone case

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Im thinking of getting the V30 instead. Which do you like more?
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I'm an Android purist. I go through phones like nobody's business. Ive always kept a Nexus or Pixel, as phones get released, I pick one up. This year I've had the Pixel XL, all year, along with it I had iPhone 7+, G6, S8 plus, Note 8, V30, in that order, as they are released. Before that, rinse and repeat.
I say this to express that the V30 is by far the hardest to leave behind, I may not. It's sleek, fast and checks ALL of the boxes, except Pure Android, and dual speakers.
The pixel misses, the wireless charging, and expandable storage.
The killer feature I was going to pass on the Pixel for is the 71 band for TMobile, but sadly it a year and a half from being deployed in my area.
You will not go won't with the V30. It is awesome! Best phone I've used to date... And that's AALLLL of them worth checking out.
But the speakers man, the speakers. The pure Android experience... Ridiculously pleasant to use for me.

Got my hands on one today as well
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How is screen quality against samsung?
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I'll go this weekend and compare with my N8
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If anyone has a chance if they go look at one, enable development options, if possible on a demo version, and see if OEM unlock is there and if it is greyed out. I am also going to try to get over to Verizon tomorrow and check this out and will post a pic if I happen to make it over there.

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I played with it yesterday, phone is nice but doesn't feel like a premium hardware specially when compared to Note 8 or V30.
Minus the pure Android and Camera - it's like many chinese branded $400 - $500 phone.

I didn't get that at all

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If anyone has a chance if they go look at one, enable development options, if possible on a demo version, and see if OEM unlock is there and if it is greyed out. I am also going to try to get over to Verizon tomorrow and check this out and will post a pic if I happen to make it over there.
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I went to the store today and tried to enable developer options, the Verizon store sample did not allow me to do it. I went to about phone and clicked on everything 8+ times and nothing happened. I have used a stock phone in a while, so unless it was move I couldn't do it.
I spent a little more time with both phones. The 2xl feels very good in the hand imo. I also like the regular pixel 2. To me that felt more comfortable in the hand because it was smaller.
The screen on the 2xl is good. I liked the feel better than my S8+. Because the 2xl is a little wider and has a more solid feel on the sides it felt better than my Samsung. I have good size hands, I can palm a basketball, and on the 2xl my inner thumb or palm doesn't touch the curved screen. On my S8+ my inner hand meat can touch the screen when I reach across with my thumb.

Here are some photos of the 2xl and side by side with a screen burned Pixel XL
I also made sure the brightness was a 50% for both phones. You can see the POLED screen looks brighter.

XL2 Screen looks great, and those bezels look so much better!

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I went to the store today and tried to enable developer options, the Verizon store sample did not allow me to do it. I went to about phone and clicked on everything 8+ times and nothing happened. I have used a stock phone in a while, so unless it was move I couldn't do it.
I spent a little more time with both phones. The 2xl feels very good in the hand imo. I also like the regular pixel 2. To me that felt more comfortable in the hand because it was smaller.
The screen on the 2xl is good. I liked the feel better than my S8+. Because the 2xl is a little wider and has a more solid feel on the sides it felt better than my Samsung. I have good size hands, I can palm a basketball, and on the 2xl my inner thumb or palm doesn't touch the curved screen. On my S8+ my inner hand meat can touch the screen when I reach across with my thumb.
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I went back today and enabled developers options. And the bootloader is definitely locked. So glad I ordered mine from Google and completely unlocked. I spent more time with it today and it's a terrific phone. Snappy and the screen looked great. Brightness was all the way up and I didn't try to make any adjustments. Phone feels good and looks good. I understand why some people prefer the LG v30 and it's a great alternative but I think the 2 xl will make plenty of people happy.
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I tested it out today as well and didn't get a "plastic-feeling" phone. The metal had a grainy texture to it and felt quite nice. I tested the XL since that's what I ordered. Didn't bother with the regular one. People said there was a "coating" on the metal, but I didn't seem to notice one like on the G5. That one felt like it had a clear rubber case on the metal.

Thanks for those pics @Bxrider117
Had to go the upsstore today and the verizon next door on Tyvola Rd on my side of Charlotte did not have them in. Told the nicer of the two guys I was interested in seeing the poled screen, explained how I'd heard on xda of the banding and not good quality in the other thread. One guy swooped in on me telling me how I could know or even say that for a phone that hasn't been released yet! I told him that the good verizon stores had demos. What a dummy, HIS store is supposed to have them but they said the google rep could not get any for them.
Yea right. "Believe half of what I see, and none of what I hear......Talkin' `bout my friend George" *Lou Reed
Your pics do give me some assurance that I won't have to send my blk64g 2xl back when it gets here!

Morbid - Which phone would you go with if there was no PH-2 in the works?

Which phone would you replace your PH-1 with?
I am curious about the Samsung 10 but I am just not a fan of anything that has a skin and "bloatware". That being said, my personal choice would be the Google Pixel 3 (XL or lite) or the OnePlus 6T. Without an immeadiate fix to my issue with the glass on the screen loosening, I think I would lean towards the Pixel 3 XL because of the battery life. I am not a fan of the size but the lite just seems to just miss the mark with the PH-1. I know it sounds crazy but the PH-1, I think, is the perfect size phone...for the most part. I think its a little too thick but other than that, perfect.

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Which phone would you replace your PH-1 with?
I am curious about the Samsung 10 but I am just not a fan of anything that has a skin and "bloatware". That being said, my personal choice would be the Google Pixel 3 (XL or lite) or the OnePlus 6T. Without an immeadiate fix to my issue with the glass on the screen loosening, I think I would lean towards the Pixel 3 XL because of the battery life. I am not a fan of the size but the lite just seems to just miss the mark with the PH-1. I know it sounds crazy but the PH-1, I think, is the perfect size phone...for the most part. I think its a little too thick but other than that, perfect.
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I agree about the size of the ph1. It's not thick though. In fact I could go for more battery and thiccness. It is a bit heavy.

All of the listed phones are much more expensive but - for me - no option to replace PH-1. What do they have what PH-1 doesn't have? Slightly better camera, maybe better screen, external SD card and wirelass charging. But PH-1 has - in my opinion - better size, design, material, software & updates, doesn't need an additional case and hardware is good enough for at least next 2 or 3 years. Maybe I'll use it until foldable phones have become mainstream.

pocophone and flash a treble rom

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pocophone and flash a treble rom
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I just vomited reading ^that. To each their own I suppose.
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Phones put me off for a number of years. $800 for a phone you can't even root! Looked at low price options and happened upon the PH-1 for $300. Id of paid full price had i known, best phone i've ever owned. Even made my wife an android convert. Makes me afraid to think about the day its too outdated.

epidemike said:
Which phone would you replace your PH-1 with?
I am curious about the Samsung 10 but I am just not a fan of anything that has a skin and "bloatware". That being said, my personal choice would be the Google Pixel 3 (XL or lite) or the OnePlus 6T. Without an immeadiate fix to my issue with the glass on the screen loosening, I think I would lean towards the Pixel 3 XL because of the battery life. I am not a fan of the size but the lite just seems to just miss the mark with the PH-1. I know it sounds crazy but the PH-1, I think, is the perfect size phone...for the most part. I think its a little too thick but other than that, perfect.
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I would consider a Pixel at this cheaper price
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-pixel-3-pixel-3-xl-google-store-discount/
Though Googles excessive data mining & privacy invasion is a severe drawback .... Chinese phones even worse so no way I'd get one of those (unless the CCP get kicked out). I was considering a Librem phone (though had second thoughts and didn't fund when I found some of the chips were Chinese company design)
see no 5
https://itsfoss.com/open-source-alternatives-android/
so for now it would still be the PH-1

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I just vomited reading ^that. To each their own I suppose.
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I switched from my essential to the poco. You'd be surprised how good this phone is. The essential is a solid phone, no doubt about it, but im very pleased with the bigger screen, bigger battery, headphone jack(yay!) and a ton of rom support(bit of a flashaholic, ph1 is the only phone i didnt feel the need to flash other roms to). I miss the looks and comfort of the ph1, but im happy with my switch.

luisoman2000 said:
I switched from my essential to the poco. You'd be surprised how good this phone is. The essential is a solid phone, no doubt about it, but im very pleased with the bigger screen, bigger battery, headphone jack(yay!) and a ton of rom support(bit of a flashaholic, ph1 is the only phone i didnt feel the need to flash other roms to). I miss the looks and comfort of the ph1, but im happy with my switch.
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Do you live in the US?
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Not sure why the OnePlus 6T is not getting selected more. I would even say get the OnePlus 6 since it had a headphone jack and a real fingerprint sensor.

I went from Essential PH-1 to the Pixel 2XL. Much better all around phone. Not sure I'd buy a PH-2. The PH-1 was kind of a train wreck.
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All of the listed phones are much more expensive but - for me - no option to replace PH-1. What do they have what PH-1 doesn't have? Slightly better camera, maybe better screen, external SD card and wirelass charging. But PH-1 has - in my opinion - better size, design, material, software & updates, doesn't need an additional case and hardware is good enough for at least next 2 or 3 years. Maybe I'll use it until foldable phones have become mainstream.
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Some of the newer phones have a much better camera, stereo speakers and more water resistance (IP 67/68). Even my Nexus 5x took higher quality pictures than the PH-1. There was also the issue with poor cell reception on certain carriers.
Not needing a case isn't really a benefit of owning the PH-1. The materials are premium but it's not a scratch or shatter proof phone.
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I went from Essential PH-1 to the Pixel 2XL. Much better all around phone. Not sure I'd buy a PH-2. The PH-1 was kind of a train wreck.
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Some of the newer phones have a much better camera, stereo speakers and more water resistance (IP 67/68). Even my Nexus 5x took higher quality pictures than the PH-1. There was also the issue with poor cell reception on certain carriers.
Not needing a case isn't really a benefit of owning the PH-1. The materials are premium but it's not a scratch or shatter proof phone.
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Seabro, I think going without case is a benefit to a lot of people that prefer not using a case. I would never go full nude with a phone and really enjoyed my Dbrand skin (even though their IG has an odd sense of humor) on my ph-1. I didn't get the ph-1 at launch and I think that's why we are differing on opinions.
- stereo speakers, i'd use my head phones.
- IP6x, Im not using my phone while taking a leak or swimming so not a need for me.
- the ph-1 camera at launch was terrible but they've come a long way and with the gcam mods, I loved using it as my daily shooter.
Different folks, different strokes.
I went with the Pixel 3XL and it came with the Incipio case and I have to say it pretty unbearable. I do not have large hands and this case made it unwieldy. I stuck with the case until my dbrand skin came in on order. I wanted to test the phone out with just the skin on it before I returned it to the carrier for a Pixel 3. I went with the XL mainly for the 3400maH battery.
Without the case, its a much better feel in the hand but definitely needs a skin. It's super slippery naked <insert side eye>. I think I am going to stick with it but there are some things that I need to look into. I really do not like the home screen or that fact that I can't get rid of the search bar at the bottom and the time/date/weather up top.
Wish I could have waited till the fall like a smart person but
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epidemike said:
Seabro, I think going without case is a benefit to a lot of people that prefer not using a case. I would never go full nude with a phone and really enjoyed my Dbrand skin (even though their IG has an odd sense of humor) on my ph-1. I didn't get the ph-1 at launch and I think that's why we are differing on opinions.
- stereo speakers, i'd use my head phones.
- IP6x, Im not using my phone while taking a leak or swimming so not a need for me.
- the ph-1 camera at launch was terrible but they've come a long way and with the gcam mods, I loved using it as my daily shooter.
Different folks, different strokes.
I went with the Pixel 3XL and it came with the Incipio case and I have to say it pretty unbearable. I do not have large hands and this case made it unwieldy. I stuck with the case until my dbrand skin came in on order. I wanted to test the phone out with just the skin on it before I returned it to the carrier for a Pixel 3. I went with the XL mainly for the 3400maH battery.
Without the case, its a much better feel in the hand but definitely needs a skin. It's super slippery naked <insert side eye>. I think I am going to stick with it but there are some things that I need to look into. I really do not like the home screen or that fact that I can't get rid of the search bar at the bottom and the time/date/weather up top.
Wish I could have waited till the fall like a smart person but
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Yeah, I did get my PH-1 shortly after launch and it was a mess. It took several months for Essential to provide a decent software experience. Even with all the issues and several warranty replacements, I stuck with the PH-1 until last March. The camera had improved but the color images were still inconsistent. Ended up needing a more reliable phone but II really liked the overall design, screen quality, in hand feel and size of the phone.
A nice skin like Dbrand or Slickwraps definitely feels better than most cases. It's a good option for those that rarely or never drop phones. Had a Dbrand on the PH-1 for the slippery back and using a Slickwraps on my 2 XL for some grip without adding any extra size.
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Do you live in the US?
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Nope, I live in central america. Had no problem with the LTE bands.

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Nope, I live in central america. Had no problem with the LTE bands.
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Yeah I'm happy for you. The POCO phone doesn't work well in the USA (at least not consistently well. Some people have reported part time LTE on at&t but most that use Poco in the states are using it on 3g . This is definitely not an option for me. I might consider it as my next phone if it did work, but 3g in a country turning 5g would be a giant step backwards from the ph-1. I am also on Verizon (my carrier) and Poco phone doesn't work at all. All the same, enjoy your newish phone.