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Is Tab 2 or 3 still viable options?

Hi. I need opinions from people who actually have purchased and using this tablet.
I am on the fence on P3100 on Amazon, I am thinking about getting this as an everyday phone since I rarely make phone calls these days. I got my Flyer when it was like $499 or $399 (forgot) at internet retailer thinking the pen will have great use but it wasn’t anyway near S pen functionality standard but still it was cool gadget to show off to friends at that time. But it virtually had no use to me ever since HTC decided to kill it with Gingerbread upgrade and I lost the pen it came with shortly after the downgrade. I did downgraded and overclocked it and using it on a plane and on a short vacation but the whole experience put a nails on the coffin with me having had very sour experience with Sensation.
I usually use all the electronic stuff until it dies. For example I am still using Dell XPS M1530 that I got 2007 as entertainment devices at my home. It went through that gpu recall and with cpu and ssd upgrade and it’s still running great serving media contents from my server. I was expecting my first ever tablet to last long time but I got sick of the lags or should I put it as, consistently freezing for second(s). The level of disappointment isn’t nearly as bad as the geniuses(idiots) from Apple stores but it’s on par with the previous LG products that lacked everything I have given flyer to my kids to use it as their fun devices now. I don't want this kind of experience happen again. I don't want to buy this and about 3-4 month later it becomes almost useless. Just like that flyer I purchased.
So.. With the not so much upgrade to Tab 3 Is the Galaxy tab2 or 3 still viable options since everything these days comes with quad or even octa core with 2GB ram?

Here is a thread on the subject, it is a little different though, seeing as how you want to use yours as a primary phone as well, but it may help.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40186461
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bluecarbon said:
Here is a thread on the subject, it is a little different though, seeing as how you want to use yours as a primary phone as well, but it may help.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40186461
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Thanks.
The thread is giving me more mix feeling on this issue.
I realize I can still (barely) use my Flyer to do basic stuff like reading web pages and watch youtube videos but the tablet isn't anywhere near usable after couple of months. I eventually have to wipe everything or restore to stock roms in order to get that usable feeling back again. And I do realize I can double down and get Note 8 but just like I said on that forum, feel it's still too expensive for what it is in US.
Bigger note 2, that isn't most powerful or innovative tablet at $600?
Or.
Possibly another 6 month device for around $300?
I don't know...

vbrookie said:
Thanks.
The thread is giving me more mix feeling on this issue.
I realize I can still (barely) use my Flyer to do basic stuff like reading web pages and watch youtube videos but the tablet isn't anywhere near usable after couple of months. I eventually have to wipe everything or restore to stock roms in order to get that usable feeling back again. And I do realize I can double down and get Note 8 but just like I said on that forum, feel it's still too expensive for what it is in US.
Bigger note 2, that isn't most powerful or innovative tablet at $600?
Or.
Possibly another 6 month device for around $300?
I don't know...
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What is this tablet you speak of with Octa core and 2gig's of ram?

Servaas said:
What is this tablet you speak of with Octa core and 2gig's of ram?
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I am not talking about tablets alone. I am talking about phone as well. But I think you get the grasp of what I am trying to say here.
Couple of months later KLP comes. And oops sorry Tab 2 or 3 owners, it isn't supported device or retrofit it in and live with lag or live without major functions.
I went through this and I don't want to go through this too soon again.

If I were you... I would actually pick the GTAB3
I'm one of those people who really need screen space in landscape mode with the keyboard open.

Asus tf300 $315au 16gb WiFi
Or the upcoming Sony Xperia tablet z round $530au
Both can play 1080 mkvs and mp4
And Xperia tablet z can play 4k resolution videos like my Xperia z.
Food for thought.
I have the tab 2 10.1 can play 1080 mp4s but its more of an in car media system.
I does lag a little, not like what your talking about
Mine is stock no root
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Worst tablet in the world!!!

Really, really disappointed from day 1, worst battery life, insufficient ram, laggy here and there, memory leaks and redraws, black smudges on white screen while scrolling, this is my second replacement, and Android 6.0 which I had I hopes for fixing the nexus 9 is even worse, I just moved back to lollipop the new build lmy48t.
I'm selling my nexus 9, I love nexus and their products, I own a nexus 5 and nexus 7, they both get more battery than the nexus 9, they are faster than the nexus 9, nor have I had a bad experiences with them, they both have 2gb ram and can open crazy tons of apps without redraws or any lock ups, $610 AU dollars in the trash, buying either a new nexus 7 2013 or a Samsung tab s2. Don't say oh factory reset, bro I've tried all ROMs, ive done 1000s of factory resets and this crap ain't working with me, the only thing the nexus 9 hasn't let me down is gaming that's IT!!!, BESIDES ITS A BLOODY HEATER, 80 DEGRESS Celsius, I'll probably use this as a heater in winter.

Totally agree, can't wait till the pixel c is out!

waiting4mynexus said:
Totally agree, can't wait till the pixel c is out!
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True due to 3gb ram, however I can't trust nvidia mobile processes anymore, htc one x, the nexus 7 2012 and the nexus 9, have both very bad heating problems as well as performance issues thanks to thermal throttling and memory leaks.

this time around, I'll wait for many solid reviews.
I was too excited when I ditched my ipad 2 (2011).

Did you try DU?
Also did you try an custom kernel?

Was excited to purchase but very disappointed due to the lag, seriously laggy and poor performance. Fortunately bought this on reduced price so didn't hurt so much, had I paid original price would have been very annoyed. Also can return within 14 days so will take the opportunity to do that.

USBhost said:
Did you try DU?
Also did you try an custom kernel?
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Brother, I love ur work and effort on ur kernels and mods, I've tried DU, cm, aicp, mokee from, vanir exodus, pa, etc....
And all kernels , and still the same, I just went on Bros nexus 7 2013, opens 10 apps and no memory leak nor redraws and still has so much ram left, did the same thing on nexus 9, redraws for every app, ????, its RUBBISH, 1 year of tolerating this is so dam annoying,

Actually, I just tried experimenting with the elemental x kernel. So far it's smoother. We'll see after a month.

All problem because google want to use the Tegra K1 chipset. Terrible battery drink, lag and hot enough to cook some egg. Really disappointed about what a 6.700 mah battery can do. If the nexus 9 is running snap 800, 801 or 805 i think it will perfect device. But i still happy with my Nexus cause i'm a big fan of HTC and waiting their tablet for along time.

This sh*t is getting so old.
I bet if you go to any device's forum on xda you'll find complaints about it being "laggy". Every one. So you better just deal with it because you'll be complaining about it with whatever you buy next too.

wifesabitch said:
This sh*t is getting so old.
I bet if you go to any device's forum on xda you'll find complaints about it being "laggy". Every one. So you better just deal with it because you'll be complaining about it with whatever you buy next too.
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he said since Day 1.. so why not return it!!

I've owned dozens of tablets of various makes and models. The forum complaints are pretty universal for every one I have owned. Laggy performance, poor customer service, taking for eeeevvverr to get updates. Along with the typical threat of "i will never buy xyz tablet again!".
Personally am liking my nexus 9. It is kind of a unique device. 4:3 ratio, front facing speakers front of the line privileges for Android updates. Mine is a 32gb lte model and I got it on craigslist for 200 bucks, so, what's not to like?
Sent from my Nexus 9 using Tapatalk

johna2u said:
I've owned dozens of tablets of various makes and models. The forum complaints are pretty universal for every one I have owned. Laggy performance, poor customer service, taking for eeeevvverr to get updates. Along with the typical threat of "i will never buy xyz tablet again!".
Personally am liking my nexus 9. It is kind of a unique device. 4:3 ratio, front facing speakers front of the line privileges for Android updates. Mine is a 32gb lte model and I got it on craigslist for 200 bucks, so, what's not to like?
Sent from my Nexus 9 using Tapatalk
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I love all the features but the software part is killing the tablet

I guess I am a pretty light user. I mean I am on the thing constantly but I don't play games or do anything that would really tax the system. YouTube, news feeds, Facebook, forums E-mail. Everything I do works just dandy. My two daily drivers are this nexus 9 and a Samsung Galaxy tab pro 8.4. The screen is definitely better on the Samsung. The Samsung does get hot if too many apps are open. The nexus has gotten hot a few times but I just close all recent apps and it cools right down. I like the 4:3 ratio on the nexus but it is definitely much heavier than the Samsung. Speakers are unbeatable on the nexus but they are pretty darn good on the tab pro as well. Both tablets are on the night stand but I tend to grab the nexus most of the time.
Sent from my Nexus 9 using Tapatalk

HasnaCuz said:
I love all the features but the software part is killing the tablet
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I have to agree. I love the hardware but there is something wrong with the software. I'm coming from the Nexus 7 2013 and that can handle multiple chrome tabs open without having to constantly refresh them.
It concerns me that Google/Nvidia don't seem to be sorting these issues out.

Masteryates said:
I have to agree. I love the hardware but there is something wrong with the software.
It concerns me that Google/Nvidia don't seem to be sorting these issues out.
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IMHO,
the problem is the 64bit Android running on only 2GB RAM => bad combination of software and hardware.
And it's actually only 1.8 GB available RAM. Of this Android OS alone is using 680MB on this device.
Compare that with the 32bit N5 where AndroidOS uses half of that. Other apps show similar numbers when you compare them running on 32bit vs. 64bit. This adds up quickly. Then the only thing the OS can do is kill apps in order to run another one etc.
Nothing Google or Nvidia could do about this, apart from sending out hardware upgrade kits with 4GB (actually this would be cool)
Now, despite this, I like the N9, I like the 4:3 screen for reading! And when mostly reading (Newsreader, Firefox, PlayBook, Kindle) I can get 10 hours usage. Pro-Tip, no root required:
Code:
adb wait-for-device shell wm density 266
Of course the situation changes when I fire up a game that keeps GPU/CPU at max frequency the whole time - then I'm lucky to get 3 hours, without burning my left hand from handling the pretty hot left edge.
This is the sad situation that forces me to root again now that the N9 is running "M": just to be able to down-clock that CPU/GPU monster.

I never experienced lag until I upgraded to Marshmallow. Now that I'm back on Lollipop all is good again. I admit it does run hot when running games, but as for battery life I've never had a device that performed better. I'm very happy with it, but sorry to hear you think it's the worst tablet in the world.

I guess I'm lucky. I initially swapped my first unit because of lightbleed, but I don't have severe lag, redraw, or memory-leak issues. Not any more than on any other Android device I've owned. If anything, things look better, sound better. My only complaint is also my own fault: 16gb, instead of 32gb. I can't do mass-updates from the Play Store, because there just isn't enough space. I blame Hearthstone, but that's another conversation entirely

Hey taronas,what exactly will that code do if I enter it via adb?
Cheers pal.

taronas said:
IMHO,
the problem is the 64bit Android running on only 2GB RAM => bad combination of software and hardware.
And it's actually only 1.8 GB available RAM. Of this Android OS alone is using 680MB on this device.
Compare that with the 32bit N5 where AndroidOS uses half of that. Other apps show similar numbers when you compare them running on 32bit vs. 64bit. This adds up quickly. Then the only thing the OS can do is kill apps in order to run another one etc.
Nothing Google or Nvidia could do about this, apart from sending out hardware upgrade kits with 4GB (actually this would be cool)
Now, despite this, I like the N9, I like the 4:3 screen for reading! And when mostly reading (Newsreader, Firefox, PlayBook, Kindle) I can get 10 hours usage. Pro-Tip, no root required:
Code:
adb wait-for-device shell wm density 266
Of course the situation changes when I fire up a game that keeps GPU/CPU at max frequency the whole time - then I'm lucky to get 3 hours, without burning my left hand from handling the pretty hot left edge.
This is the sad situation that forces me to root again now that the N9 is running "M": just to be able to down-clock that CPU/GPU monster.
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What adb wait for device ...improve? @taronas?
Envoyé de mon Nexus 9 en utilisant Tapatalk

RIP Nexus 9

http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...oogle-store-in-a-puff-of-underwhelming-smoke/
Its so sad to see Google our lord and savior pull the plug on our Nexus 9 :crying:
So guys did the Nexus 9 deserve all the hate it got?
Edit: this does not mean support for it has been dropped it just means you can't buy it at google anymore.

The stock experience of Nexus 9 is not great (quite bad actually). But with good custom rom and kernel i very much enjoy it.

For me, it deserved a lot of it. Mine is still working but just had to do one of the required, every-other-month wipes to prevent issues (lag, reboots). The screen size (and quality) is still perfect for me which is why I moved from n7 2013. Altering dpi settings helped with some lag, esp. Chrome. I can't help but wonder if one more GB of ram wouldn't have totally changed how this device works. For the $, it should have been there. It seems HTC did a particularly poor job with policy/warranty repairs.
Sent from my Nexus 9 using Tapatalk

18 month support?
So Google have always said that they support their Nexus devices with official firmware for 18 months but does that mean from device release date or from when they stop manufacture and the device and cannot be purchased anymore?
It wouldn't be fair for someone to have bought the device last week only to find the official firmware would soon stop...
I know that the N9 will get Android 'N' but would that be it?

matthewgwilt said:
So Google have always said that they support their Nexus devices with official firmware for 18 months but does that mean from device release date or from when they stop manufacture and the device and cannot be purchased anymore?
It wouldn't be fair for someone to have bought the device last week only to find the official firmware would soon stop...
I know that the N9 will get Android 'N' but would that be it?
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At this point I would consider it to be possible for the N9 to get O, but ultimately we'll have to wait and see

I don't think the device on its own is that bad, (apart from the lightbleed.) All the hate should be directed at Google for not sorting out the issues and not asking HTC for a 3GB device from day 1. :crying:

My N9 has been OK. A bit of light bleed but not an issue. Run custom Rom from new and it does everything goes I want it to do smoothly.

I love the device but for a tablet, I feel they kinda skimped on the specs a little... to a degree that its pretty noticeable especially with many of the latest changes to android requiring more processing power and the fact that a tablet ought to be able to easily handle multi-tasking. It almost seems like their design is more proof of concept based rather than user satisfaction. Either that or they are doing too much and drop the ball on some stuff.

I regret paying so much and getting so little. I will never buy a new device, only after 6 months!

^ Yes, what he said. At $250, this is a great tablet, but for $400 this tablet is a total disappointment.
You don't pay for a BMW, and expect to get a Toyota.
Sure, 3 GB of RAM would have gone a long way to improving this device, but the shoddy construction of the first batch of N9's is simply inexcusable.
Not to mention, the poor quality of the motherboards, which are now failing, leaving many users with a device that crashes when battery gets below 40%.
The reason I'm not buying a pixel c, is because of my experience with the N9.
If 6 months from now, the pixel c still proves to be a quality product, then I'll look at picking one up (once they're on sale, of course)

enriquejones666 said:
^ Yes, what he said. At $250, this is a great tablet, but for $400 this tablet is a total disappointment.
You don't pay for a BMW, and expect to get a Toyota.
Sure, 3 GB of RAM would have gone a long way to improving this device, but the shoddy construction of the first batch of N9's is simply inexcusable.
Not to mention, the poor quality of the motherboards, which are now failing, leaving many users with a device that crashes when battery gets below 40%.
The reason I'm not buying a pixel c, is because of my experience with the N9.
If 6 months from now, the pixel c still proves to be a quality product, then I'll look at picking one up (once they're on sale, of course)
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I enjoy mine, and I like large tablets. With the rumored new Nexus 7, I'll probably grab a pixel c around Christmas if there's no new large Nexus. 7" just doesn't make sense to me with the size of phones.

no, I got two and they are great devices..

No. Though the stock firmware has a bad experience, we still have lots of custom roms and they're great.

If I would have paid $400 for mine I would definitely hate it, but I got it for around $250 directly from HTC in one of those flash sales and I've been pretty happy.
Even if it hurts to say it, as an android fan, for $400 I would rather save a little bit more and grab an Ipad. I had an Ipad 2 for like 3 years and that damn thing never quit, still lasted like 11hrs Sot and even months sleeping (for real). Finally gave it to my GF and her 5yo niece uses and abuses it and that thing still works flawlessly, it's incredible.

Whilst owning the N9 and running CM13, I also picked up a LG v500 for only £70. I put CM13 on the v500 and the performance shows up the N9 for smoothness, consistency and multitasking. This goes against all the benchmarks where the N9 is significantly faster.
With nothing running, the N9 is smoother. Load up a ton of things in the Ram, and it all comes crashing down for the N9 whereas the v500 is still as smooth and speedy as when little is in Ram.
As the N9 was gathering dust, I got rid. R.I.P. Nexus 9.

seems like disabling certain content providers and their corresponding services/receivers for the google play services app has made more than a significant improvement for me. I usually try not to mess with that stuff since it could really screw stuff up too. also, do not deny permissions for anything google. use xposed AppOps to control those. completetely different experience. sad that Google's objective is far more important than user experience.

I paid full price on release day. I hate my decision. This is life. Learn by mistakes.

albsat said:
I paid full price on release day. I hate my decision. This is life. Learn by mistakes.
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So did I and I love mine!

USBhost said:
So did I and I love mine!
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Just curious, can you tell me what rom are you using in your nexus 9 ? Don't tell me the kernel also, I know that already.

albsat said:
Just curious, can you tell me what rom are you using in your nexus 9 ? Don't tell me the kernel also, I know that already.
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I was using Pure Nexus
But I built myself AOSP so I'm using that at the moment
Kernel what how lol

Am i late to the party?

So, while i realize things are pretty quiet here, i figured i would give a friendly hello to the community. While shopping around yesterday, i ran across a 9 (black, 16GB) tucked away in a store (used of course). Despite knowing the reputation of the tablet, i figured what the heck; everything looks good on it (buttons are firm, no major bleed, screen is sharp), and its only $80.. why not. As it was, i was looking for something better (and more supported) than my Asus Z580CA (gotta love x86 chips in Android tablets.. ugh). I had been mulling over a K1 Shield, but the prices are just too high, and the Pixel C even more so.... so the price point here satisfies my larger tab desires.
Truth be told, after unlocking, and putting LOS (and FED) on, the tablet is actually really fast; and i will dare say noticeably so compared to my Asus (with double the memory and cores). No denying the Asus is lighter and thinner, but at the cost of usability and battery life (no room for a battery, really); i actually like the firmer bulk of this guy.
Anyway, i realize there may not be many out there to read this, but either way... one more reporting in for the ranks!

Welcome aboard ? I just picked mine​ up recently too. I owned one in the past when they came out and ditched it because of the seemingly unfixable performance issues, but now 3 years later I'm fairly happy with it.
It's running nice and smooth on Slim weekly 1.5

Divine_Madcat said:
So, while i realize things are pretty quiet here, i figured i would give a friendly hello to the community. While shopping around yesterday, i ran across a 9 (black, 16GB) tucked away in a store (used of course). Despite knowing the reputation of the tablet, i figured what the heck; everything looks good on it (buttons are firm, no major bleed, screen is sharp), and its only $80.. why not. As it was, i was looking for something better (and more supported) than my Asus Z580CA (gotta love x86 chips in Android tablets.. ugh). I had been mulling over a K1 Shield, but the prices are just too high, and the Pixel C even more so.... so the price point here satisfies my larger tab desires.
Truth be told, after unlocking, and putting LOS (and FED) on, the tablet is actually really fast; and i will dare say noticeably so compared to my Asus (with double the memory and cores). No denying the Asus is lighter and thinner, but at the cost of usability and battery life (no room for a battery, really); i actually like the firmer bulk of this guy.
Anyway, i realize there may not be many out there to read this, but either way... one more reporting in for the ranks!
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ashio83 said:
Welcome aboard ? I just picked mine​ up recently too. I owned one in the past when they came out and ditched it because of the seemingly unfixable performance issues, but now 3 years later I'm fairly happy with it.
It's running nice and smooth on Slim weekly 1.5
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I'm still around too. I used it for 6-8 months when it came out then my son used it for about 2 years with only minor issues. Towards the end of his use we started seeing the fast battery drain issue. When I went to re-root it I found the USB port would work with ADB anymore. So after much diagnosis I decided to suck it up and spend $10 on a replacement daughter board from Ebay. Works like a charm now. Funny thing is I really wanted to root it to find the battery drain source but since swapping out the USB daughter board, rooting I haven't seen the issue anymore. It may have been a bad port all along. I did however install Flar's kernel which may also have helped?
TL/DR - Still a good tablet. My 2 cents.

I have a bunch of tablets, including a Shield K1. Just got the Nexus 9 a month ago or so. I've always wanted to own one because of its unique CPU. It is pretty fast indeed with one of the custom OSs here.
It certainly gets warm though if the CPU doesn't get its idle time. Pretty easy to get it to throttle back the clock speed due to heat there. Still, the Denver CPU was a speed demon in 2014. Pretty nice for web browsing! I'm going to guess that NVidia didn't use the Denver K1 in the Shield Tablet because of the power consumption of these big CPU cores. Not a good idea in a smaller gaming-oriented tablet. I feel it's similar to if Intel tried to put a Core M in a small tablet. Beefy CPU and GPU that aren't exactly super low power.

Picked up the nexus 9 and like some of the feel, etc pretty responsive as well. Not loving battery life however. Any recommended rom/kernel/settings for good battery life? Use it mostly for a few games but getting like 4 hours right now...

Well, being late in nexus 9 party, means you have saved some money. Nexus 9 runs much better with nougat.
Sent from my Nexus 9 using Tapatalk

machochico said:
Picked up the nexus 9 and like some of the feel, etc pretty responsive as well. Not loving battery life however. Any recommended rom/kernel/settings for good battery life? Use it mostly for a few games but getting like 4 hours right now...
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Purenexus is doing me well, with the included kernel.

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Purenexus is doing me well, with the included kernel.
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Thanks for the recommendation, Are you using the 6.0 version of PureNexus or [ROM][N9 flounder][UNOFFICIAL][7.1.2_r24]★ Pure Nexus ★ Substratum ★[07/25/17]?
Thanks again!

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Thanks for the recommendation, Are you using the 6.0 version of PureNexus or [ROM][N9 flounder][UNOFFICIAL][7.1.2_r24]★ Pure Nexus ★ Substratum ★[07/25/17]?
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[ROM][N9 flounder][UNOFFICIAL][7.1.2_r24]★ Pure Nexus ★ Substratum ★[07/25/17]
I mainly use it for playing movies. I watch downloaded movies from a USB stick and I get several hours of screen on time. I usually do about 3-4 hours of driving for work, and watch movies along the way (I know, horrible idea safety-wise) and I usually have 35-40% battery life left.

Divine_Madcat said:
So, while i realize things are pretty quiet here, i figured i would give a friendly hello to the community. While shopping around yesterday, i ran across a 9 (black, 16GB) tucked away in a store (used of course). Despite knowing the reputation of the tablet, i figured what the heck; everything looks good on it (buttons are firm, no major bleed, screen is sharp), and its only $80.. why not. As it was, i was looking for something better (and more supported) than my Asus Z580CA (gotta love x86 chips in Android tablets.. ugh). I had been mulling over a K1 Shield, but the prices are just too high, and the Pixel C even more so.... so the price point here satisfies my larger tab desires.
Truth be told, after unlocking, and putting LOS (and FED) on, the tablet is actually really fast; and i will dare say noticeably so compared to my Asus (with double the memory and cores). No denying the Asus is lighter and thinner, but at the cost of usability and battery life (no room for a battery, really); i actually like the firmer bulk of this guy.
Anyway, i realize there may not be many out there to read this, but either way... one more reporting in for the ranks!
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Thanks for this thread. I'm late to the party too!!
I'm thinking about getting the Nexus 9. if i would have saw one for 80 bucks, I would have gotten it too with out thinking.
I'm also glad to see that many on here are still using this device and have some great input.
I was about to get one off of swappa, but looking around to find the best price. I actually need one by end of next week.
I use it for movies of cource, but taking notes and sometimes document work. So I will be also looking for the best keyboard too.

I might be getting one for about $200 CAD, used but looks to be in good condition. My other option is waiting and saving a bit for a Pixel C, but those are really hard to find and about $300 more. What sort of SOT do people get on LOS?

Mine should be delivered tomorrow will by up all night Rooting and Roming. I will compare my SOT with the iPad mini I'm getting rid of.

Yep, me too. Glad to see happy users, I have always wanted one and with the Pixel C prices being soooo much higher and the 'no root' options for the ASUS ZenPad 3S 10 I figured I'd grab a 'Like New' used model off Amazon for $200 with the 30 day option to return. But I love Nexus so much probably will just keep it no matter what (unless it has some of the 'issues').
Should arrive today

Welcome, and I am late to the party myself. Just picked up a 32gb Nexus 9 LTE refurb but I bought it to set up a hacking tablet or PWN PAD.
Just got it today and haven't rooted a device for a few years now, but it's like riding a bike haha. Brings back great memories of the first device I ever rooted which was my HTC EVO.
XDA Community is a great source of solid information.
Thanks!
Divine_Madcat said:
So, while i realize things are pretty quiet here, i figured i would give a friendly hello to the community. While shopping around yesterday, i ran across a 9 (black, 16GB) tucked away in a store (used of course). Despite knowing the reputation of the tablet, i figured what the heck; everything looks good on it (buttons are firm, no major bleed, screen is sharp), and its only $80.. why not. As it was, i was looking for something better (and more supported) than my Asus Z580CA (gotta love x86 chips in Android tablets.. ugh). I had been mulling over a K1 Shield, but the prices are just too high, and the Pixel C even more so.... so the price point here satisfies my larger tab desires.
Truth be told, after unlocking, and putting LOS (and FED) on, the tablet is actually really fast; and i will dare say noticeably so compared to my Asus (with double the memory and cores). No denying the Asus is lighter and thinner, but at the cost of usability and battery life (no room for a battery, really); i actually like the firmer bulk of this guy.
Anyway, i realize there may not be many out there to read this, but either way... one more reporting in for the ranks!
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I love this tablet, 32 GB with LTE, way better that the ipad Mini LTE i was using. Plus I dont have to worry about apps being deprecated for my system version.
I use it mainly for content sling TV, netflix, youtube and some of my own movies.
I rooted it and i'm using the lineage OS rom and it is great.
trying to catch up on my superhero movies, I watched CA winter solder and CA civil war. on one charge with plenty of battery left.
looking forward to doing more with this tablet
does anyone have a recommendation for a keyboard case to use. I used the ipad mini to take notes at meetings and would like to do this with a good keyboard

tfw nexus 10 pleb

Just jumped in.
I missed the days of the first Nexus 7
This tablet has potential even now 3 years after release: Cuda+Vulkan have already been enabled by our devs.
After setting stock rom i have already understood performance of stock roms
Next days I will start experiments

i was thinking of trying to get a shield tablet but it looks like you cant find them anywhere but after seeing prices of the N9 on swappa, seriously thinking about picking one up. My TN7 battery only lasts like an hour and turns into a nuclear furnace when I turn it on. just rooted my moms trustee old N7 which she has kept in mint condition. I am excited about the chance to pick one of these up for about $150 just to play around with them and check out the capabilities. You can't beat the bang for the buck from what I see.

Hello everyone, i am also thinking to buy one, just curious that Nexus 9 will get oreo Rom or not. I already searched the forum but no words about oreo.

ali_ge said:
Hello everyone, i am also thinking to buy one, just curious that Nexus 9 will get oreo Rom or not. I already searched the forum but no words about oreo.
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There are a couple of experimental Oreo roms. The only problem is hardware acceleration for video doesn't work.

If you're on the fence about buying this tablet, well just don't. Yet...

This is one of the most unbelieveably slow tablets I have ever experienced. It is VERY interesting that there is such a high percentage of people on this forum who claim their tablet doesn't show any signs of slow down and is very snappy, no lag at all, and gaming performance is top notch. I am here to tell you that these people either work for Samsung or literally have something wrong with the connection between their eyeballs and brains.
Now before I get into the details I would like to say that not all is lost for this tablet and it may someday be the best thing money can buy. Let me explain.... I noticed something very similar when using this tablet. I couldn't put my finger on it right away and then it hit me. This thing feels just like that terribly sluggish s7 edge I used to have. HMMM what do those two have in common you say??? Same SOC, same manufacturer, same-ish software. This thing CHUGS! and I don't want to hear anyone try to refute it. It is unbearable. Just exactly like the s7 edge.
I figured I might be able to clean up the performance on this thing with a custom kernel, just as they have done over on the s7 forums. I was wrong. I rooted and installed a kernel that would allow me to set the governor to performance to see if it helped. It did, but not enough. And performance smokes your battery in no time anyway so isn't a real solution. Samsung has literally destroyed this chip with their DVFS junk just as they have done in the past. I can't belive this was allowed to be released like this AND at this price.
Now for the good part. The s8 was pretty slugglish at release as well (not quite like the s7), but was recently updated to Oreo and it FLIES, just like the Note 8 does. It seems Samsung has finally started taking performance seriously and has figured out how to make their phones have great performance without sacrificing battery life. The tab s3 is slated for the Oreo update in 2018, so we will see what it does to the performance.

Since Google completely messed up their last tablet (the Pixel C's wifi is worse than a 5 year old Nexus 4) and left the market, samsung is the only player left in the so-called highend Android tablet space so here we are with a SD820 from early 2016 instead of a SD835 and broken wifi power-saving since launch. I fully expect Samsung to continue this crap with the Tab S4: copy the 10.5 screen size from the new ipad pro so it looks good on paper but then use the SD835 from 2017 instead of the SD845 which will have been shipping for 6 months by the time they launch the S4 in mid 2018. Hopefully we get a fully working device this time and not something like the Tab S3 and it's totally borked wifi sleep. But hey, could be worse, a fast wifi chip that doesn't sleep and causes power drain is arguably much much better than the slow as molasses crap Google put in the Pixel C (google Pixel C wifi or head over to Anandtech for a deep analysis).
Gone are the good days of the Tab S2 and Nexus 9, both good devices with small shortcomings.

undertaker2k14 said:
Since Google completely messed up their last tablet (the Pixel C's wifi is worse than a 5 year old Nexus 4) and left the market, samsung is the only player left in the so-called highend Android tablet space so here we are with a SD820 from early 2016 instead of a SD835 and broken wifi power-saving since launch. I fully expect Samsung to continue this crap with the Tab S4: copy the 10.5 screen size from the new ipad pro so it looks good on paper but then use the SD835 from 2017 instead of the SD845 which will have been shipping for 6 months by the time they launch the S4 in mid 2018. Hopefully we get a fully working device this time and not something like the Tab S3 and it's totally borked wifi sleep. But hey, could be worse, a fast wifi chip that doesn't sleep and causes power drain is arguably much much better than the slow as molasses crap Google put in the Pixel C (google Pixel C wifi or head over to Anandtech for a deep analysis).
Gone are the good days of the Tab S2 and Nexus 9, both good devices with small shortcomings.
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Oh the irony!
So I bought 5 tablets this week: Tab s2, Tab s3, Shield Tablet, Nexus 9, and Pixel C. I thoroughly tested all 5 and came to the conclusion that I am keeping the Pixel. And now you hit me with this! lol
So I ran to the tablet with my Note 8 in hand and started doing side by side speed tests and range tests. I found that the Pixel is getting up to 3 times faster download speeds, about the same uploads, and the range seems consistent between the two. Hmmm. I already have the Pixel on Oreo so maybe that has something to do with it?
Not sure, but even if the wifi performance is slow or range bad, it is much better than the other 4 in my opinion. I made a post over on the Pixel C forum to inquire and will try to get to the bottom of it.
I needed a tablet that would game well, multi task, and word process fairly easily. The s2 was my favorite of the bunch but just didn't have the horsepower I was looking for, you know how I feel about the s3 already lol (it would be my fav by far without the lag), the shield has a crap touchscreen, and the good ole Nexus 9 actually does very well for it's age once you get the stock software flashed off. The Pixel C was winner by default, not by choice. I hope 8.0 fixes the Tab s3 so I can buy one 2018. I really didn't want to go above 9 inch due to portability, but there just isn't anything out there and I was forced to look at the bigger ones.

What's most aggravating about the Pixel C situation was that Google employed their forum mods and drones for months on end to drown out folks like myself who were complaining about the wifi situation until anandtech confirmed what we had known all along:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9996/revisiting-the-google-pixel-c/4
With samsung, they have kind of acknowledged the wifi power drain exists on their official forums, they are just indifferent to it.

I have had no issue's with my Tab S3 SM T825 I do have to wait on it on occasion hey it's SD 820 but it's only about a second or two so not an issue.
This is from from am Android developer so
And rooting it pretty much renders Netflix useless and I want HDR so won't go into magisk and all that crap just a clean plain Samsung tablet with developer mode on
My OnePlus 5 is more than enough for root stuff
Plus you can always sideload apps so I don't know what you're ranting about and you don't even mention specifically where you found to slow
Gaming is good only game that didn't detect Adreno 530 was Telltale Batman. Video binge watching lasts me 8 hours from 100 percentage at 67 percentage brightness.
What else do you want from this tablet word office s pen
What the heck you trying to do? MOVE A MOUNTAIN?
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What's most aggravating about the Pixel C situation was that Google employed their forum mods and drones for months on end to drown out folks like myself who were complaining about the wifi situation until anandtech confirmed what we had known all along:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9996/revisiting-the-google-pixel-c/4
With samsung, they have kind of acknowledged the wifi power drain exists on their official forums, they are just indifferent to it.
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WiFi power drain I tested today its fine from 33 percentage it went down to 27 after 3 hours that's ok with me. I charge my tab s3 once in two days or so

Fully agree with OP
Chrome is unusable. I check everyday for a stock rom. It'd embarrassing from Samsung for this price..

SS2006 said:
Fully agree with OP
Chrome is unusable. I check everyday for a stock rom. It'd embarrassing from Samsung for this price..
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It's all in the software man don't worry. Oreo will turn the tablet into lightning just like the note 8. Go look at the oneplus 3, same 820 chipset and it flies and never slows down. Samsung destroyed all the 820 devices with bad software. It will be fixed sometime this year.
It still amazes me that there are people on this site that will argue with you until the end of time that this device doesn't lag lol I can't relate to these people at all.

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It's all in the software man don't worry. Oreo will turn the tablet into lightning just like the note 8. Go look at the oneplus 3, same 820 chipset and it flies and never slows down. Samsung destroyed all the 820 devices with bad software. It will be fixed sometime this year.
It still amazes me that there are people on this site that will arguing with you until the end of time that this device doesn't lag lol I can't relate to these people at all.
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Haha I've given up hope on this thing.
It's basically just a Netflix display and PDF reader for me.
Multitasking just kills it, and I'm sure the skeleton Dev team Samsung has put on this device will not be able to implement Oreo properly either.

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This is one of the most unbelieveably slow tablets I have ever experienced. It is VERY interesting that there is such a high percentage of people on this forum who claim their tablet doesn't show any signs of slow down and is very snappy, no lag at all, and gaming performance is top notch. I am here to tell you that these people either work for Samsung or literally have something wrong with the connection between their eyeballs and brains.
Now before I get into the details I would like to say that not all is lost for this tablet and it may someday be the best thing money can buy. Let me explain.... I noticed something very similar when using this tablet. I couldn't put my finger on it right away and then it hit me. This thing feels just like that terribly sluggish s7 edge I used to have. HMMM what do those two have in common you say??? Same SOC, same manufacturer, same-ish software. This thing CHUGS! and I don't want to hear anyone try to refute it. It is unbearable. Just exactly like the s7 edge.
I figured I might be able to clean up the performance on this thing with a custom kernel, just as they have done over on the s7 forums. I was wrong. I rooted and installed a kernel that would allow me to set the governor to performance to see if it helped. It did, but not enough. And performance smokes your battery in no time anyway so isn't a real solution. Samsung has literally destroyed this chip with their DVFS junk just as they have done in the past. I can't belive this was allowed to be released like this AND at this price.
Now for the good part. The s8 was pretty slugglish at release as well (not quite like the s7), but was recently updated to Oreo and it FLIES, just like the Note 8 does. It seems Samsung has finally started taking performance seriously and has figured out how to make their phones have great performance without sacrificing battery life. The tab s3 is slated for the Oreo update in 2018, so we will see what it does to the performance.
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I've had a Tab S3 for a year now, and am absolutely delighted with it.
Previously a Tab S, that was getting long in the tooth. Prior to that Nexus 7 and the updated version.
The Tab S is as fast as I could wish for, and great battery life.
I object to your characterisation of people who like it. I expected better from a Senior Member of this forum.

I bought my S3 off Amazon and it was pretty sluggish but flashing another region's firmware on it made it fly, been really happy with its battery life and performance over the last six months or so.
Having said that I really don't think high end android tablets are worth it so this is probably my last for a while yet, the cost is too high for the marginal improvement in functionality over a high end smartphone. I knew HDR was a gimmick going in but I was hoping that I'd be able to replace a laptop with the S3 but it just can't quite hang when it comes to any sort of real work load.

Look at my posts
HDR is no gimmick. There is no such possibility. It's like the js7200 which has HDR but they haven't shown it. But tab has better brightness.
And for all here saying tab lags it just doesn't it's the best flagship tablet to get besides the ipad but oled mean my eyes don't redden anymore or strain at all.
So it's not like a phone flagship ok. But most of your PC's would do a worser job on word than this! Also pixel c just don't match.
Chrome does drain battery I read twd comics entire and every single time it drained 1 percentage for 5 to 10 mins each. Samsung internet had zero to minimal drain considering and in stark comparison. Don't blame the tablet blame google.
Everything is smooth sometimes rarely it acts weird like it's dead but then it's ok like it's got the Hangover once or twice every month for a few minutes.
Stop the hate, this is the only tab that you can love if you can't use ipad or want OLED. I mean it's better than the TV. Now my TV is just the playstation monitor.

Kizznyc said:
HDR is no gimmick. There is no such possibility. It's like the js7200 which has HDR but they haven't shown it. But tab has better brightness.
And for all here saying tab lags it just doesn't it's the best flagship tablet to get besides the ipad but oled mean my eyes don't redden anymore or strain at all.
So it's not like a phone flagship ok. But most of your PC's would do a worser job on word than this! Also pixel c just don't match.
Chrome does drain battery I read twd comics entire and every single time it drained 1 percentage for 5 to 10 mins each. Samsung internet had zero to minimal drain considering and in stark comparison. Don't blame the tablet blame google.
Everything is smooth sometimes rarely it acts weird like it's dead but then it's ok like it's got the Hangover once or twice every month for a few minutes.
Stop the hate, this is the only tab that you can love if you can't use ipad or want OLED. I mean it's better than the TV. Now my TV is just the playstation monitor.
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Maybe you get tab S4 :cyclops:
It is a great tablet, but it has its faults, a limited battery, limited software to take advantage of the Spen, the lack of mechanism to hold the Spen is another serious error, to mention some opportunities.
It's not hate, it's the feeling that it could have been an unparalleled tablet that finally feels like a tab 2.5 and not a real tab s3, and Android does not help much to take advantage of our tab.
Definitely I have enjoyed my tab S2 more than my tab s3, the deficiencies are there and it is something that Samsung will have to improve in the future tab s4. And any laptop with the same retail price its seriously better for daily work over our tab.
In conclusion, great tablet that could have been something that did not finish to achieve.

I have asked the mods to remove this thread or close it permanently, so it should be going down soon. I will be replacing it with a new post soon. The new post will explain everything.

Closed per OP request