http://www.phonearena.com/news/Goog...ments-for-Daydream-compatible-devices_id87584
Bullet point:
"In regards to processing specs, Qualcomm has already confirmed that only the Snapdragon 821 is capable of supporting the Daydream platform. This goes against ZTE's claims that the Axon 7 would be able to work with Daydream with the Snapdragon 820 CPU, but we're inclined to believe Qualcomm over ZTE in this matter."
I'm red-in-the-face angry right now.
Here is a thread on ZTE forum:
https://community.zteusa.com/thread/12933
thats a reply of one of the zte members on the forum in the post
"It's great to see demand for Daydream as it is evident from the comments on this thread. Note that I provided an update on another Z-Community thread with our progress earlier, but I can provide an up-to-date summary of our development work on Daydream from this week.
First off, I'll summarize one of the points that ZTE made earlier. We have stated that we are working with Google on Daydream and plan to support it with Axon 7. I posted an update a few weeks back when we received the Daydream package from Google (note the package requires Android N). When ZTE is finished with integration, we send it back to Google for certification.
Now, for the update. We were successful in bringing up Daydream on Axon 7 for a functional demo. However, it is not complete. In part because of tuning that we need to do to optimize the experience, and also because Daydream itself is not final. There are changes to Daydream and also Android N (patches) that are being worked on, so we do not have a final version to integrate yet.
After Pixel launches Daydream we will have a final candidate and patches to integrate into Axon 7. Then, after we finish our tuning, it goes back for certification from Google. Then, we'll make an announcement and do a software update (including OTA for everyone that has already purchased on Axon 7)."
so qualcomm is full of it?
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so qualcomm is full of it?
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I think it's more so they "know" the 821 will work with Daydream without issue.
Well, I won't keep the Axon 7 if it is anything else than Daydream "ready". No "capable", "compatible" or whatever term they come up with to label it.
I bought it because I want to start developing my own Daydream apps and really can't afford anything more than €500 until I'm more confident of my skills (and sure as hell I won't be buying a Pixel, in Europe, at those prices. I might as well start developing for iOS, ffs).
Off it goes back to Amazon, will keep an eye for OnePlus big announcement this 15th and hope they will "daydream" their next device. If not, its back to the Moto X with a broken screen until someone comes forward with a phone worth purchasing.
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Well, I won't keep the Axon 7 if it is anything else than Daydream "ready". No "capable", "compatible" or whatever term they come up with to label it.
I bought it because I want to start developing my own Daydream apps and really can't afford anything more than €500 until I'm more confident of my skills (and sure as hell I won't be buying a Pixel, in Europe, at those prices. I might as well start developing for iOS, ffs).
Off it goes back to Amazon, will keep an eye for OnePlus big announcement this 15th and hope they will "daydream" their next device. If not, its back to the Moto X with a broken screen until someone comes forward with a phone worth purchasing.
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The new oneplus 3t will be 1080 and LCD. This is terrible for VR.
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The new oneplus 3t will be 1080 and LCD. This is terrible for VR.
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No one really knows what "it" will be.
Apart from having a SD821, everything else has been based in conjecture. Even the $50~$80 price bump and the "3T" are based in speculation.
It will have to have AMOLED. What's the point besides the 821?
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Or phonearena is full of it?
Is there a direct quote from Qualcomm regarding it?
Isn't the 821 only 10% more powerful then the 820? And other then that aren't they basically the same architecture with just a slightly higher power output? Also there's a Daydream development pack available for the Nexus 6P which uses an 810. Why would Daydream work on the 810 (although laggy) and not the 820?
Its all Google's work!!!
In my opinion, Its all Google"s work.....its one their ways to force the Pixel on us. Before the Pixel release its was generally understood that Daydream would work on phones with the Snapdragon 820 since it was being tested on the Nexus 6p......so google decided to change the requirement to 821, since the pixel is one of the only phones using it and thus most likely to get Daydream first......so if you want it early you now have to buy a Pixel or wait for it later........the current major delay of daydream is from google working with Quadcomm to come up with a way to make it on work on the Snapdragon 821 , there could be no other reason because the 821 is just a slightly faster 820
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In my opinion, Its all Google"s work.....its one their ways to force the Pixel on us. Before the Pixel release its was generally understood that Daydream would work on phones with the Snapdragon 820 since it was being tested on the Nexus 6p......so google decided to change the requirement to 821, since the pixel is one of the only phones using it and thus most likely to get Daydream first......so if you want it early you now have to buy a Pixel or wait for it later........the current major delay of daydream is from google working with Quadcomm to come up with a way to make it on work on the Snapdragon 821 , there could be no other reason because the 821 is just a slightly faster 820
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I believe it's likely that it's a marketing ploy by Google. By making their Pixel phones the only "official" Daydream phones they draw people away from other phones that are advertised as being "Daydream-Ready". Especially when you have phones like the Axon 7 being nearly half the price of the Pixel XL on the run up to Christmas. This combined with the fact that the Android Nougat update (required for Daydream) for the Axon 7 has been delayed until after Christmas it makes sense (AFAIK Google must certify the update before its rolled out?).
The 821 handles sensor data better which is useful for VR
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The 821 handles sensor data better which is useful for VR
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Source?
If its true then just because it handles sensor data better than the 820, does not mean that the 820 is incompatible with Daydream.
According to the stats between the two CPU's on Qualcomm's own website the only real differences between the two are that the 821 has a slightly increased clock speed, is more power efficient and has Dual PDAF for camera's.
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Or phonearena is full of it?
Is there a direct quote from Qualcomm regarding it?
Isn't the 821 only 10% more powerful then the 820? And other then that aren't they basically the same architecture with just a slightly higher power output? Also there's a Daydream development pack available for the Nexus 6P which uses an 810. Why would Daydream work on the 810 (although laggy) and not the 820?
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In my opinion, Its all Google"s work.....its one their ways to force the Pixel on us. Before the Pixel release its was generally understood that Daydream would work on phones with the Snapdragon 820 since it was being tested on the Nexus 6p......so google decided to change the requirement to 821, since the pixel is one of the only phones using it and thus most likely to get Daydream first......so if you want it early you now have to buy a Pixel or wait for it later........the current major delay of daydream is from google working with Quadcomm to come up with a way to make it on work on the Snapdragon 821 , there could be no other reason because the 821 is just a slightly faster 820
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Source?
If its true then just because it handles sensor data better than the 820, does not mean that the 820 is incompatible with Daydream.
According to the stats between the two CPU's on Qualcomm's own website the only real differences between the two are that the 821 has a slightly increased clock speed, is more power efficient and has Dual PDAF for camera's.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/qualcomm-details-changes-coming-snapdragon-821
I have to dig a little deeper but I thought I remembered that the Snapdragon VR SDK gave hardware level access to sensors improving their response time. Among other things.
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ok so looks like the 820 is snapdragon VR sdk ready too:
https://developer.qualcomm.com/software/snapdragon-vr-sdk
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but I don't understand why sites like this say that the 821 is better than the 820 because it supports the VR SDK:
https://www.gizmotimes.com/comparison/snapdragon-821-vs-snapdragon-820/16403
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from here, talking about the article i posted above:
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/phone-by-google/7fpvvc3TIdE
"The article that you linked has a lot of inaccurate information (like the CPU and GPU clock speeds, the fact that they are referring to it as having support for "two phase detectors" despite that not being how Dual Pixel PDAF works, the claim about Dual Pixel PDAF being new technology despite it being supported by the SGS7 and many DSLRs before that, etc.) and that bit is likely wrong as well. The Snapdragon VR reference device uses an S820. https://www.qualcomm.com/news/snapd...l-reality-snapdragon-vr820-reference-platform
The article was taking some of the newer features that Qualcomm is listing the S821 as supporting, and treating them as if only the S821 supports those features.
If it's not wrong, I'd like it confirmed. There is no confirmation in the article, the writer merely listed the feature set as detailed in the Snapdragon 821 press release and then speculated around the key differences."
I feel a little better now.
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https://developer.qualcomm.com/software/snapdragon-vr-sdk
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I was just about to mention this too before you edited. The Snapdragon VR SDK was developed with the 820, its a platform that can be used for developing Daydream apps.
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The new oneplus 3t will be 1080 and LCD. This is terrible for VR.
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Pei said that they were sticking to AMOLED "for the foreseeable future".
according to this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/development/rom-t3454940
oneplus3 is vr/daydream ready (and it's a snapdragon 820 too )
no news from zte ? anyone with access to the beta nougat rom to test ?
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ZTE has already told that the phone will be Daydream ready, 1-2 updates after Nougat Update.
it does support vr
Hi guys would just like to let you guys know that I recieved the ztevr when I bought my axon as part of their roadshow promotion. The vr part of axon 7 works and the provided vr software uses a ZTE customised vrsense app at the moment and has movies games and stuff albeit limited (u guys don't even have access to it so it's not really public even though I'm public and besides the app is in Chinese,im on g version BTW and I didnt buy this in China). Not sure if it's hardware or unoptimised software but the phone does become very hot when using vr. The vr experience was otherwise really smooth apart from the slightly small fov of the ztevr.
So daydream wise I think it will be able, besides what other phone at 500 has specs like this with 2k and and can even run or have vr, even if eventually it isn't certified for daydream I would say it is good enough that it can run ZTE's vr. Beside I wouldn't put my hopes up as u westerners on oneplus, it's practically unknown in China whereas ZTE is one if the big few alongside Huawei vivo xiaomi and such so no idea why u ppl trust them cuz I wouldnt
ok, here are more news about Daydream for ZTE Axon 7 , meaning for all of us users
https://community.zteusa.com/message/76862#comment-76862
Posted TODAY Dec. 21,2016 3:36 PM
jyee wrote:
I have an update on our Daydream progress. ZTE has now shipped phones with the Daydream build to Google to start the certification process. There's issues that have already been identified but we have high confidence that we will be able to resolve them. In fact, I'd be happy to show some of the Z-Community members who have been very patient through the development process the opportunity to see the progress. I'd like to explore the possibility of getting together at the Consumer Electronic Show, for those that are planning to be in Las Vegas for the event that begins on January 5. If there is enough interest from this community, I'll arrange a time and place to get a Daydream demo from myself or a member of the ZTE team. We may have a better picture of the release date by then too.
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The Oneplus Two might be getting some competition!
The name of said device is... the HTC Hima!
http://bgr.com/2014/12/04/htc-hima-release-date-and-specs/
Specs:
5-inch Full HD display
Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 SoC containing a 2.0GHz quad-core processor and a 1.5GHz quad-core processor
3GB of RAM
20.7-megapixel camera
13-megapixel or UltraPixel front-facing camera
VoLTE/CA/LTE Cat. 6 support
2,840 mAh battery
Android 5.0 Lollipop with HTC Sense 7.0 on top.
These guts would probably get some impressive power out of a 4k device. The fact that they're in a 1080p device....it's going to be setting some serious records in the benchmarks, I can tell you that. It's about time someone realized that 4k is pointless for a screen that size.
That being said, why am I posting this here? Let me explain...As of December 2014, the Oneplus One is the hottest recent device on xda. The device really isn't even released yet, yet countless developers have already adopted it. Check for yourself; nothing else has the amount of xda developers, roms, and kernels the OPO has right now. That, in of itself, is its killer feature. You know, along with the excellent specs. It's a very nice, device, and I'm very happy with it.
THAT being said, is a device as freakishly powerful as the HTC Hima something that would make you forget your OPO? Would it even get your attention? Discuss!
What about one plus two? I'm sure they will make it comparable to other phones of that era. I myself would stick with something like opo or opt I guess (one plus two lol) or nexus for the ease and flexibility of root and customization
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But at what cost?
HTC and their small battery size
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HTC and their small battery size
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Meaning what? I get 5+ hours of SOT on my M8 with its puny 2600mah battery!
Sense is very well optimized and so is the GPE version.
Is it? That battery on this this is one thing I'm worried about. On top of, you know, everything else they could possibly screw up.
All this mystery makes me excited to see what Oneplus and HTC do with their upcoming devices. And... how much each will cost. :fingers-crossed:
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What about one plus two? I'm sure they will make it comparable to other phones of that era. I myself would stick with something like opo or opt I guess (one plus two lol) or nexus for the ease and flexibility of root and customization
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New tagline: Opt in for a One plus Two!
I'm intrigued. I would love to go back to HTC but their ultra pixel crap has been putting me off since the M7. I loved my One X that was a fine device and Sense is a really nice UI. HTC do produce good phones so let's see what this beast fruits too.
ill buy this htc instantly if the specs are true.
No thanks, will wait for 815 or 820 or 810 version without heating problems.
I won't ever EVER buy any mobile device over 1080p until it established in the desktop / media area. If you watch a 1080p movie on a screen with different pixel scaling then you get blur because the pixels have the wrong format to display a single 1080p pixel. Beside of that 1080p is really enough atm on mobiles. And lower res means less hardware usage.
Its probably not the right place to ask but since i wanna buy the n6p i will ask you guys for your opinion. Is it worth to buy the n6p or wait for a sd820 phone?
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Its probably not the right place to ask but since i wanna buy the n6p i will ask you guys for your opinion. Is it worth to buy the n6p or wait for a sd820 phone?
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You might as well wait for the next one after 820 then.
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You might as well wait for the next one after 820 then.
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And by then might as well wait for SD 830.
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well, by then the 840 should be just around the corner
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Its probably not the right place to ask but since i wanna buy the n6p i will ask you guys for your opinion. Is it worth to buy the n6p or wait for a sd820 phone?
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You should buy one right now because if you wait 3-6 months it will be worth it to wait until the Nexus 7P is out.
I had the Nexus 6... Just sold.. The 6P is very much a better phone all around.
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Its probably not the right place to ask but since i wanna buy the n6p i will ask you guys for your opinion. Is it worth to buy the n6p or wait for a sd820 phone?
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Wait for the sd830. Will be better.
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I think OP is just looking for a worthy jump in processing power. Anandtech recently did a review of the Nexus 5X, the thermal issues that plague the latest generation snapdragons is pitiful. Qualcomm seems to have screwed up. The generation jump from the S4 Kraits to the SD 800 and then the SD 805 was a lot more worth upgrading for.
From the review:
"The Snapdragon 805 in the Nexus 6 keeps all four cores at their max frequency for about twelve minutes before they all throttle down to 2GHz and remain there for nearly two hours. Meanwhile, Snapdragon 808 can only keep its two A57 cores at their peak frequency for two minutes before throttling both down to 633MHz and putting the A53s up to their peak 1.44GHz. After twelve minutes the A57s are just shut off entirely, and you're left with a cluster of 4 A53 cores at 1.44GHz."
"It's disappointing that this year's Qualcomm silicon means that the performance improvement over a two year old Nexus 5 is not very large. Our past published data shows that the behavior of the Snapdragon 810 SoC in the Nexus 6P will almost certainly behave in the same manner, and in that case you'll actually be looking at an overall regression compared to the Nexus 6 when your workload spans any longer than a minute or two.
On the one hand, I think it would have been better for Google to wait until Snapdragon 820 launched so it could be utilized...
I can certainly forgive the issue when the device costs $379, but I don't think it would be as easy to pass if it's also true of the 6P, and overall I'm most disappointed about the relative lack of improvement over the original Nexus 5 despite the two year gap between the two."
Honestly, I have seen some early benchmarks of the snapdragon 820, Qualcomm has ditched the Big.Little architecture and gone back to a balanced quad core design with its kyro cores. While the results are significantly better than the SD 810, IMO it is still going to be the generation which will be playing catch-up to the Samsung Exynos.. compared to the Exynos 7420 in the current galaxy devices, the SD 820 is better in single core performance but still lags behind in multi-core because of the shift in architecture..Also the gains in power consumption and efficiency are largely because of the lesser cores. The next gen Exynos 8890 should again be able to outperform the SD 820, but I guess Qualcomm is going to readjust itself on the right path with the SD 820. So maybe the jump after the SD 820 will be even more favorable, only time will tell. For the current generation of games and apps, even a SD 800 is good enough in majority of cases and the SD 810 will last you a long time..longer than most people keep their phones, but if you are going solely on value to performance upgrade, I agree that this generation of Qualcomm silicon has not given a worthy improvement.
HWell the question was because the sd820 will be used in 2 months from now and the sd830 (if thats the model by then) itll be used in 1 year and 2 months, but i quest the only people that answered my question are 12 year old kids being sarcastic. I would be happy if someone with knowledge could answer my question instead of funny people
P.S. Thank you very much guru_urug
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Its probably not the right place to ask but since i wanna buy the n6p i will ask you guys for your opinion. Is it worth to buy the n6p or wait for a sd820 phone?
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If you are looking for a Nexus device, buy now. If you are looking for the latest processor in a giving time frame you will need to wait. You will need to ask yourself what you are looking for in a phone.
The 810 is not nearly as bad as the media is saying. Early phones had some learn curves but that been taken care of. And of course the 820 will be better, that's the name of the game.
LTU seems to have a future in improving availability of data/voice connection. I think 3x3 carrier aggregation is not in service on any of the cellular service providers, and I haven't read a thing about when it will be implemented. I think the 6p has mimo 2x2 WiFi and 2x2 carrier aggregation. I've been using a 6p for about 2 weeks now, and it seems like the radios and microphones work better than my previous phone (Nexus 6).
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i have the 6p almost 2 weeks now,was concerned about 810 processor but believe me this is the smoothest, most consistent running device i have ever owned, google is smart to release phones after summer,we dont start out with overheatingl,,lol im curious when the hot weather comes back how theses phuckers will handle the heat,,buy the phone and have a blast..steve
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well, by then the 840 should be just around the corner
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Woah woah woah! I thought they were scrapping the 840 to rush the 900a series into production. Wtf. Why am I the last to know these things!!!!!?
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In all seriousness though... Look at the performance differences between 800, 805, etc... If approx 20% performance increases (on paper) are that critical to you, then wait.
If you want the smoothest android experience on the planet, get the 6P.
Simple enough.
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If you are looking for a Nexus device, buy now. If you are looking for the latest processor in a giving time frame you will need to wait. You will need to ask yourself what you are looking for in a phone.
The 810 is not nearly as bad as the media is saying. Early phones had some learn curves but that been taken care of. And of course the 820 will be better, that's the name of the game.
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Agreed. Did the OP say what he's currently using? That would be a big factor.
If you're looking for a Nexus, it's going to be a year before you see another one. Do you want to keep what you have for another year ?
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Agreed. Did the OP say what he's currently using? That would be a big factor.
If you're looking for a Nexus, it's going to be a year before you see another one. Do you want to keep what you have for another year ?
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Good point, the OP didn't say what they were using. That may help answering the question.
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For the current generation of games and apps, even a SD 800 is good enough in majority of cases and the SD 810 will last you a long time..longer than most people keep their phones, but if you are going solely on value to performance upgrade, I agree that this generation of Qualcomm silicon has not given a worthy improvement.
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That's exactly it. People are convinced that they need bigger (well, smaller!) and better chipsets, but my Snapdragon 800 Nexus 5 still performs brilliantly. The performance on games is just fine, and there's no lagging. I do think a big problem is a consumer sees something stuttering and puts it down to the CPU. Crikey, my Galaxy Tab S stutters (thanks TouchWiz) but it's an octo-core tablet. It's NOT too slow because of some UI glitches!
It's also why you can pick up a Snapdragon 400 or 410 device, or even Snapdragon 200, and get a perfectly good user experience - let down only when you go for the most graphic intensive games, which I suspect most people aren't even doing. Even I now play relatively few games, and many are far more of the casual gamer type ones anyway.
My concern with my 6P is battery life, more so than the throttling issues, so that's what I'm hoping is improved on SD820 over and above everything else. (I should add that I've purchased a 6P already)
Agreed. Did the OP say what he's currently using? That would be a big factor.
If you're looking for a Nexus, it's going to be a year before you see another one. Do you want to keep what you have for another year ?
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I own a nexus 6 at the moment, i love nexus devices, i had a nexus 5 before the 6 and a 4 before that. My concern is about some problems i saw on other devices like htc and lg (flex 2). I know ofc that they say sd810 on oneplus and n6p is an other version (which i believe is just for the media) and ofc i know that nexus devices are much faster than other phones with same specs, but those problems with overheating etc are bugging me, thats the reasson i ask.
Here is my dilemma, my contract is up and I can upgrade anytime. I really love the Z5 Premium, but now i am having second taught's upon reading this...
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/sony-xperia-z6-news/
Yes i know this is just rumor and speculation... however Sony is really upping its game recently:good:. Big selling point is the 820 Snapdragon.
So what you guys think, wait for Z6 or get the Z5 prem?
Pro's and Con's welcome
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So what you guys think, wait for Z6 or get the Z5 prem?
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My opinion is to wait for Z6. I don't see any extra ordinary feature in Z5 except fingerprint. I think you should wait for Z6 and see if anything special is introduced.
Thank you, much appreciated.
Apart from the new new SOC what else do you think they might introduce?
Sure it'll be the same camera.
Do you think USB- C?
Wait!
With the new rumours doing the rounds, I think that it'd be better to wait for the Z6.
First and foremost, the new SoC itself should be enough not to consider Z5/Z5 Premium.
Also, there's talk about 5 different variants (based on screen size, and therefore budget - 4",4.6",5.2",5.7",6") to choose from, so I think that's another reason to wait. Although useless, but there could be Force Touch display and hoping for USB-C :fingers-crossed:
Yes the options for all the variations would be awesome. However,its sad if they will ditch the 4K display. Hope that wont happen.
Quick Charge 3.0 would be nice.
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Yes the options for all the variations would be awesome. However,its sad if they will ditch the 4K display. Hope that wont happen.
Quick Charge 3.0 would be nice.
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The new Snapdragon will own hard time..if this is the only thing that will be different between the z5 i will sure wait for the 6 to come.I had the same dilema,but when i read the upgrade and the improvements of the 820.. hell yea it will be a beast in every aspect.Not to mention the camera quality boost which is important for me.On the other hand sony told that they will start working on the image sensor quality,software also so..yes .. changes will come in the near future.
@effective
You are so right , 820 overall is 40% better than stock 810. Now that's something :fingers-crossed:
Eagerly waiting for Z6.
1. SD820
2. 4GB ram
3. 32/64GB internal storage with expandable storage.(if they give 64gb option I am totally getting it)
4. 2K display 5.2-5.5"
5. At least 3000mAh battery
6. With new camera sensor with at least 240fps slo-mo video recording.(Everyone's going with 240fps and Sony is still on 120fps)
7. Improved finger print scanner
8. At least 8MP front facing camera(I think they should go with wide angle 8MP)
9. Wireless Charging
10. USB-C
11. Two tone flash Or use two LEDs (Xenon would be awesome)
And many more
What do you think about the release date, would it be early Q1? Given Sony's update cycle?
Wait for Xperia Nexus..
SD 820 of course.
IIRC QuickCharge 3.0 is included in the 820.
The big question is. Will the Z6 feature the SD820 or still be an 810 device? Might very well be possible, sony always has been a little slow with new chipsets.
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SD 820 of course.
IIRC QuickCharge 3.0 is included in the 820.
The big question is. Will the Z6 feature the SD820 or still be an 810 device? Might very well be possible, sony always has been a little slow with new chipsets.
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The S7 will be released by the end of January 2016 and it will pack the 820 so yes,it will be with 820 for sure.The thing that i hate is the 6 month cycle..that OEMS release new phones..but anyway.I guess Z6 will see the world maybe on april/may.Till then all issues with the 820 will be fully resolved. ( :
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The S7 will be released by the end of January 2016 and it will pack the 820 so yes,it will be with 820 for sure.The thing that i hate is the 6 month cycle..that OEMS release new phones..but anyway.I guess Z6 will see the world maybe on april/may.Till then all issues with the 820 will be fully resolved. ( :
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Do you think Sammy will ditch its in house SOC Exynos 8890 for Snapdragon?
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No.They will bring two variants. with 820 and exynos.
Just switched to a moto pure edition/x style.
Havent even bothered rooting it just put adguard on it, this thing is fast as hell and trumps it in every category. Maybe the Z6 will be a beast though.
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IMHO, 4k on mobile screens are not really that useful or even practical. I'd rather see 4k content on a 50XL (exaggerated) screen!
Yup, QC 3 would be nice :good:
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SD 820 of course.
IIRC QuickCharge 3.0 is included in the 820.
The big question is. Will the Z6 feature the SD820 or still be an 810 device? Might very well be possible, sony always has been a little slow with new chipsets.
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With the reports of overheating on Z5C and Z5 still doing the rounds, I don't think (and hope) that Sony will use S810 for Z6. Besides, Z6 will most likely be out by mid-2016, so by then atleast 1 or 2 phones would be out with S820, so no reason why Sony can't get it too.
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What do you think about the release date, would it be early Q1? Given Sony's update cycle?
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I am assuming Q2 or Q3 2016, though I'd like it right now
I have been able to upgrade for a year, and I didn't even seriously thing about going anywhere near a s810 device due to overheating.
Two of my friends have Z5's and they overheat (when gaming IIRC) to the point that it burns their face should they answer a call shortly after, sorry qualcomm thanks, but no thanks. I advised all my friends who's contracts were up for renewal to wait until 2016, but they're impatient and jumped the gun.
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So far, there are big downsides to the ( Z5 ) SoC810 Snapdragon, 4K screen but not all the time .... heating a lot.
Was looking forward to the new device ( Z5 ) premium , but i think patience is my friend here.
One thing is for sure , my next phone will be a Sony.
Most indication around the net points to MWC release date of 22 Feb 2016.
The voting results speak for themselves , a lot of us would choose patience ( Z6 ) over impluse ( Z5 ) .
I switched from Z2 to Z5. It is noticeably faster and has better camera. Worth it. Although I miss old LED bar.
And I'll replace it with next Z that comes out next summer (Z7 or whatever).
Really ? The crappy LED bar on the Z2 which you won't see in most angles when your phone lies on the table, you miss that one?
Google's new Pixel and Pixel XL smartphones are now finally official. Differentiated primarily by the size and resolution of their screens — 5-inch 1080p display on the Pixel and 5.5-inch Quad HD panel on the XL —Google’s Pixel smartphones are the first devices in the U.S. to be powered by Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 821 processor, which reportedly sees a 10 percent performance increase over the Snapdragon 820. Both have 4GB of RAM, Gorilla Glass 4, fingerprint sensors, USB Type-C ports, and storage options between 32GB and 128GB. The only other difference here is the battery — the larger phone has a 3,450mAh battery, and the regular Pixel has one with a 2,770mAh capacity.
People who are disappointed from Google Pixel phone please don't post here as this i have started this thread for good and positive comments.:laugh::silly:
Root will not be a problem with unlocked bootloader, only locked bootloaders will be forever ****ed...and i dont see google locking it down. Yes a new method will have to be worked out but it will be worked out. There is a great article on android central http://m.androidcentral.com/android-and-chill-nougat-and-root-question
I'm so glad they are "cloning" the iPhone design. I've always loved the iPhone hardware, but their OS and software is just locked-down garbage. And the Pixel hardware looks better than any iPhone. Can't wait to see some specs from Google!
i m sure there will be root our talented xda devs must be working hard on it and they will gain root access.
Design: pretty disappointed due to its close resemblance with iphone , nexus 6p looks way cooler and original in terms of design.
Specs: an obvious upgrade from previous years 810 but like nexus 6p this will soon be outdated with the emergence of new flagships of early 2017.
camera: don't expect anything major in this department.
Software experience: would be similar to previous nexus phones if anything comes as exclusive, it'll be ported to other devices in no time.
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I'm so glad they are "cloning" the iPhone design. I've always loved the iPhone hardware, but their OS and software is just locked-down garbage. And the Pixel hardware looks better than any iPhone. Can't wait to see some specs from Google!
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If only Qualcomm could match the A10 specs.
Does the 821 fix the throttling issues of the 810 on the 6P. Throttling is the only reason I'm looking to upgrade at all. Other than that I love my 6P.
seriously considering it since my nexus 6 screen is shattered. Rumors are discouraging me so i might opt for a one plus 3 or a 6p for now if It seriously disappoints after release. But I hope it does pan out to be an amazing phone. Wish the xl was a little bigger tho.
I am using note 5 and screen size is 5.7 and i hope so the screen size is 5.7 which is unlikely [emoji2] [emoji2]
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what do you guys thing about the new rumor?
http://www.gsmarena.com/alleged_official_render_of_the_google_pixel_with_no_home_sensor_button-news-20716.php
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what do you guys thing about the new rumor?
http://www.gsmarena.com/alleged_official_render_of_the_google_pixel_with_no_home_sensor_button-news-20716.php
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I don't recall anyone thinking this phone was going to have a home button. The phone it was based on (some HTC phone) had a home button on the bottom, but Google isn't going to do that - instead putting it on the back. Now there's just a huge bezel, no bottom speakers or anything.
i still feel this is not the last leak there will be some more changes.
I love the new leaks. I'll buy either way. If it's announced on the 4th when will pre-order be?
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pixel xl photo leaked today. yesterday was the regular pixel.
the bezel ratio looks more respectable than the regular pixel. for me personally, i don't need a home button or any unnecessary designs going on on the bottom of the phone. for me it's distracting/tacky. sure there could have been a speaker on the bottom front, but all is forgiven if they bring the 10's speaker setup. to each their own.
edit: and of course the photo is courtesy of evleaks on twitter.
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How good is the 10's speaker setup?
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just a bit below the 6p in volume, but it was very noticeably more crisp imo. there's a very easy vid to find on youtube that also mentioned this. this is why i'm hopeful with the pixel xl, HTC making it, and the "not that big" bezel. i just can't picture google not opting for a similar setup if they didn't go for front-facing.
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Cool deal. My 6P speakers are definitely loud...but I had a much better "sound" with a Nexus 5 Surround Sound mod I did with Viper4Android. Got tired with root and all that so if I could get a similar sound out the box that'd be good enough to me.
Don't care for the specs, so probably blow this Pixel off. Happy with 6P but watching the Huawei Mate 9 release...
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Does the 821 fix the throttling issues of the 810 on the 6P. Throttling is the only reason I'm looking to upgrade at all. Other than that I love my 6P.
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As of right now we have no idea. But given Google's previous implementation of Qualcomm chips in their devices and how they deal with heat dispersion and throttling I assume that this will have no issue if at all.
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i still feel this is not the last leak there will be some more changes.
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There won't be any more "changes" and those are official Google pictures given to retailers, as well as specs. They just leaked from retailers a couple of days early.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=68968705&postcount=77
Honestly. If google goes with this rumored high price. I do expect something up their sleeve. Greatly improved camera. Extra software surprise, something. Maybe the xl starts out at the $650 mark. I have faith in google not letting everyone Down. They always make it worth it to me.
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Does the 821 fix the throttling issues of the 810 on the 6P. Throttling is the only reason I'm looking to upgrade at all. Other than that I love my 6P.
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You need to find the right kernel to handle that.
Apparently Google has designed and included a separate image processor that has not yet been enabled. I'm not sure why Google kept this a secret for so long, but it looks like the world's best smartphone camera will get even better once Oreo 8.1 rolls out.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ns-a-custom-google-soc-the-pixel-visual-core/
Yep, Google hired a key chip designer from Apple to bulid custom chips for the company.
Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL have a pixel visual core custom SoC.
"The new Pixel Visual Core is dedicated strictly to image processing with the company saying it can do HDR+ image processing “5x faster and at less than 1/10th the energy.”
I think the most exciting part here is the SoC allowing HDR+ in 3rd party apps. Your snapchat selfies are gonna be super sexy now.
Another reason the pixel is better than the V30
HDR+ ftw!
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Another reason the pixel is better than the V30
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I had really high hopes for the V30 and was sure that it would be my next mobile device (*cough* headphone jack *cough*), but software is what keeps great phones great. I wanted an upgrade that wouldn't feel outdated within a few months, and I have no doubt that the Pixel 2 XL will continue to be a great phone well into 2019. Can't say the same about the V30.
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I had really high hopes for the V30 and was sure that it would be my next mobile device (*cough* headphone jack *cough*), but software is what keeps great phones great. I wanted an upgrade that wouldn't feel outdated within a few months, and I have no doubt that the Pixel 2 XL will continue to be a great phone well into 2019. Can't say the same about the V30.
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Exactly. The more I thought about it the more the Pixel2XL was the only way to go for me.
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I had really high hopes for the V30 and was sure that it would be my next mobile device (*cough* headphone jack *cough*), but software is what keeps great phones great. I wanted an upgrade that wouldn't feel outdated within a few months, and I have no doubt that the Pixel 2 XL will continue to be a great phone well into 2019. Can't say the same about the V30.
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I would have been highly interested in the V30 if I didn't own the V20 before it. The reason being exactly what you said, software. The V20 after about the 3-4 month mark started lagging noticeably and it seemed to lag even worse after every update it got. I felt like throwing it out the window a few times when I needed to make or take some important business calls before I finally went back to my 6p. The last time a phone lagged that badly on me was back with the Note 4 and I'm a pretty light app user as well.
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Apparently Google has designed and included a separate image processor that has not yet been enabled. I'm not sure why Google kept this a secret for so long, but it looks like the world's best smartphone camera will get even better once Oreo 8.1 rolls out.
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This is a pleasant surprise! I like it that Google pushed the hardware through with the Pixel 2's even though the software for it is not yet ready, so that users get the eventual benefit of it. Seems like this is where they allocated their pixel development budget vs a dual camera setup as a big plus of SoC vs camera is that they can use it for multiple applications and not just HDR+, although since they call it specifically IPU's it'll probably be limited to photography/videography applications.
The Google Blog post on it says this at the end (sorry I can't post links here yet)
HDR+ will be the first application to run on Pixel Visual Core. Notably, because Pixel Visual Core is programmable, we’re already preparing the next set of applications. The great thing is that as we port more machine learning and imaging applications to use Pixel Visual Core, Pixel 2 will continuously improve. So keep an eye out!
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I can't wait to see what devs start doing with this chip. Possibly a chroot scenario
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I would have been highly interested in the V30 if I didn't own the V20 before it. The reason being exactly what you said, software. The V20 after about the 3-4 month mark started lagging noticeably and it seemed to lag even worse after every update it got. I felt like throwing it out the window a few times when I needed to make or take some important business calls before I finally went back to my 6p. The last time a phone lagged that badly on me was back with the Note 4 and I'm a pretty light app user as well.
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I'm not surprised by the lag you noticed on the V20. My buddie bought one in December of last year and when he got it he let me try and after using it for less then 2 mins I was disgusted by the little lag spikes I noticed and had to go back to my pixel ASAP! LoL
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I think the most exciting part here is the SoC allowing HDR+ in 3rd party apps. Your snapchat selfies are gonna be super sexy now.
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I don't know, thinking snapchat will do something to one up apple doesn't sound likely, unless Google pressures them or something.
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I don't know, thinking snapchat will do something to one up apple doesn't sound likely, unless Google pressures them or something.
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Well Alphabet invested in Snapchat about a year ago. It has shown a bit. The Android version feature delay is no where near what it used to be and it does seem like they're doing camera work with the major players at least. Don't get me wrong, I still only place the odds at 50/50.
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Well Alphabet invested in Snapchat about a year ago. It has shown a bit. The Android version feature delay is no where near what it used to be and it does seem like they're doing camera work with the major players at least. Don't get me wrong, I still only place the odds at 50/50.
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OH didn't even know that, to be honest the only feature I want in snapchat more thank HDR+ is the bokeh effects.
Okay! So "Pixel Visual Core Service 1.0.166778097" just got uploaded to APK Mirror!
The minimum API level is API 26, Oreo 8.0. Does this mean we can install this APK and activate the Pixel Visual Core SoC without installing the 8.1 Developer Preview? Can anyone test this? How would we know if this worked?
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Okay! So "Pixel Visual Core Service 1.0.166778097" just got uploaded to APK Mirror!
The minimum API level is API 26, Oreo 8.0. Does this mean we can install this APK and activate the Pixel Visual Core SoC without installing the 8.1 Developer Preview? Can anyone test this? How would we know if this worked?
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No cause all Features are activated only with 8.1.0 Framework and libs
Ok so has anyone attempted to add that apk to their 8.1 developer preview?
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bajasur said:
Ok so has anyone attempted to add that apk to their 8.1 developer preview?
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It's already there.
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I dont see it in mine, i also have 8.1 dev
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I dont see it in mine, i also have 8.1 dev
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Did you press, show system apps, in three dot menu on top right corner?