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If true...
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/04/developer-troubled-times-ahead-for-anyone-who-roots/
Oh and where's the tags that the mods add in on My threads about my girl blowing everyone lol I'm still waiting haaaaa update there it is
Oh nooooooeeessss!!!
Sigh.
This really makes me want to just use a laptop for a phone now.
At least I can do what I want with my laptop's data connection.
WTF!??
10char
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OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.
this is me forgetting to thank you.
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OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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I will never buy a phone from a carrier that implements this crap
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ok, this is the kinda stuff where either google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the fcc needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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I agree this is total B.S.
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I will never buy a phone from a carrier that implements this crap
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No one should, the consumers run this together we can boycott any carrier who does this dictatorship bull****, I pledge I will not support any carrier who does this.
I'd rather take my evo and flash to cricket
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drmacinyasha said:
OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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This brought tears to my eyes.
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Eff that. I will not buy a phone like that... If I have to go back to dumbphones... Then so be it.
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It will never happen. The backlash would just be too much to handle.
And if manufacturers were to begin implementing these types of lockdowns, you know for a fact that they'll just be hacked around sooner or later.
Hello? We are discussing this on XDA... Home to undoubtedly the best group of white hat device hackers I've seen.
We all assume risk when rooting our devices and given the more open nature of Android, there's always the concern that some application will start stealing your data. It's a risk I'm willing to take and I'm sure most everyone else here as well.
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It will never happen. The backlash would just be too much to handle.
And if manufacturers were to begin implementing these types of lockdowns, you know for a fact that they'll just be hacked around sooner or later.
Hello? We are discussing this on XDA... Home to undoubtedly the best group of white hat device hackers I've seen.
We all assume risk when rooting our devices and given the more open nature of Android, there's always the concern that some application will start stealing your data. It's a risk I'm willing to take and I'm sure most everyone else here as well.
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Here's the problem with what you stated, the percentage of users rooted compared to non rooted, well are not even close, if they did lock out every new phone with master keys that we would never be able to figure out, well it could happen. Even if they did lose every rooted users support financially, they would still have more than 95 percent of their profiT, that's my fear, it'll hurt but not if sprint, Verizon, etc pays the difference or that kind of sort of thing. For example to make it easy, say all rooted user cause 600,000 in lost profit for sprint that they could have potentially gained, well HTC goes hey well lock the device but we want the difference from the users like us who will not purchase the phone. Anyway that's my take on it, enlighten me with your guys thoughts
It may be time to dust off my Razr.
Carriers get smart, devs get smarter......lets not jump the gun and worry about this nonsense now. I will enjoy my rooted phone for now. If this does go down those of you saying you will go to "dumbphones" are full of it. Even if these phones are locked down tighter than a 17 year old girls tuna you will still use it. I see the future as phones will be so fast why would you need to root; I love to root, I've been rooting ALL my phones since g1 and the sole purpose was the speed my phone up. Dual core phone no root ehh who cares. I will NOT use a free phone just because these phones in the future will possibly be locked. One can only hope this security doesn't see light but if it does I'm sure we'll be ok.
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Here's the problem with what you stated, the percentage of users rooted compared to non rooted, well are not even close, if they did lock out every new phone with master keys that we would never be able to figure out, well it could happen. Even if they did lose every rooted users support financially, they would still have more than 95 percent of their profiT, that's my fear, it'll hurt but not if sprint, Verizon, etc pays the difference or that kind of sort of thing. For example to make it easy, say all rooted user cause 600,000 in lost profit for sprint that they could have potentially gained, well HTC goes hey well lock the device but we want the difference from the users like us who will not purchase the phone. Anyway that's my take on it, enlighten me with your guys thoughts
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I've heard the "rooted users are the extreme minority" comment countless times, and all logic says it really must be true.
However, when I go to the market, click apps, then all applications, then click top paid, 3 of the top 5 require root. As an honest question, are my market results tailored for my usage history or is that the same "top paid" list everyone sees? If it is indeed the same for everyone then it becomes much harder to quantify rooted users being in the minority.
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Carriers get smart, devs get smarter......lets not jump the gun and worry about this nonsense now. I will enjoy my rooted phone for now. If this does go down those of you saying you will go to "dumbphones" are full of it. Even if these phones are locked down tighter than a 17 year old girls tuna you will still use it. I see the future as phones will be so fast why would you need to root; I love to root, I've been rooting ALL my phones since g1 and the sole purpose was the speed my phone up. Dual core phone no root ehh who cares. I will NOT use a free phone just because these phones in the future will possibly be locked. One can only hope this security doesn't see light but if it does I'm sure we'll be ok.
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Completely agree about the smartphone part but do not about the master key part, it would take years like 75 - 100 if the key is properly secure for many and I mean many super computers to solve that algorithm...look at the droids, the only reason on a side note the ps3 master key was released was because the people who secured it messed up in the formula, and that still took 5 years..
the consequence would never be the same.
My brand new Nexus 4 got stolen within a week of buying it while traveling in Bombay. I was hoping to get it back after lodging a police complaint and they assured me it will get traced using the IMEI number. But recently I have came across many newspaper articles saying that the IMEI number can be changed using software's from the internet.
If such is the case, aren't the IMEI numbers useless in the first place?
The new IMEI number doesn't make the phone unstable or make it share its IMEI number with any other phone?
Can phones with changed IMEI numbers be used with regular mobile networks?
Modern technology isnt making this impossible?
Can someone well versed in these issues answer these questions?
Thanks
I'm pretty sure changing the IMEI number would be illegal.
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Devhux said:
I'm pretty sure changing the IMEI number would be illegal.
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So is stealing the device in the first place! The thief won`t care for that. As discussions about changing Imei numbers are not allowed on XDA that doesn`t mean there isn`t some dark app/software around to change the Imei though.
Is illegal and you would have to have some sort of access to be able to change it
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there are many softwares avb thru which the IMEI can be changed. But adding extra digits to the IMEI number or having two phones with the same IMEI number not make the phone useless? can the telephone companies not read these type of phones?
In India the success rate of phones getting recovered is merely 2%. There are many shops in seedy places where thieves can get the phones wiped or get the IMEI changed. Manufacturers need to come up with better solutions to prevent theft or make the phone unusable once stolen. If they expect people to buy such expensive phones, it wouldnt hurt them to make them more secure and in turn safe guarding our costly indulgence.
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In India the success rate of phones getting recovered is merely 2%. There are many shops in seedy places where thieves can get the phones wiped or get the IMEI changed. Manufacturers need to come up with better solutions to prevent theft or make the phone unusable once stolen. If they expect people to buy such expensive phones, it wouldnt hurt them to make them more secure and in turn safe guarding our costly indulgence.
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I'm sure it's possible for them to make the phone trackable as long as the phone has charge. Eg, a small chip that is ALWAYS on to enable 24/7 GPS tracking.
Although that's nice, people would complain about privacy. They would say the manufacturers are tracking them and soon there will be some illuminati or political war going on with the manufacturer.
Is it possible? Very likely.
Will people like it? Yes and No.
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I'm sure it's possible for them to make the phone trackable as long as the phone has charge. Eg, a small chip that is ALWAYS on to enable 24/7 GPS tracking.
Although that's nice, people would complain about privacy. They would say the manufacturers are tracking them and soon there will be some illuminati or political war going on with the manufacturer.
Is it possible? Very likely.
Will people like it? Yes and No.
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Thats a good idea. and Privacy-shrivacy! People who make a big deal about privacy should pay everyone who loses their phone and then cant track it.
Also, manufacturers have done away with a tiny slot that you could used to tie a cord around. I feel tying your phone to your trousers is the only way not to lose your phone in India. We are packed like sardines here when we use the public transport and thats the only way to secure your phone.
exb0 said:
I'm sure it's possible for them to make the phone trackable as long as the phone has charge. Eg, a small chip that is ALWAYS on to enable 24/7 GPS tracking.
Although that's nice, people would complain about privacy. They would say the manufacturers are tracking them and soon there will be some illuminati or political war going on with the manufacturer.
Is it possible? Very likely.
Will people like it? Yes and No.
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Wouldn't be surprised if they're already doing that, atleast American carrier locked phones. But then it would be detected by engineers by examining the motherboard? Although it's not necessary with network and software capability like Carrier IQ and Prism.
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Thats a good idea. and Privacy-shrivacy! People who make a big deal about privacy should pay everyone who loses their phone and then cant track it.
Also, manufacturers have done away with a tiny slot that you could used to tie a cord around. I feel tying your phone to your trousers is the only way not to lose your phone in India. We are packed like sardines here when we use the public transport and thats the only way to secure your phone.
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Pretty annoyed by people who keep whining about privacy as well. Germany is probably the worst worldwide right now when it comes to such people. Like a while back, when they all complained about Google Streetview and set them back via lawsuits and politics several times. Now it was only passed when people were able so request their houses(!) to be pixelated. I mean srsly, it's not like it's their faces or licence plates, it's just some outer walls, every one can see when driving by themselves! Anyway, that's why there isn't much Streetview going on here right now (Google probably got tired of it). And it's just one of many annoying examples.
But back to topic: I think Google is doing some good first steps in the anti-theft and recovery direction with the Device manager. Now it just has to work for me...
vaibhav414 said:
Thats a good idea. and Privacy-shrivacy! People who make a big deal about privacy should pay everyone who loses their phone and then cant track it.
Also, manufacturers have done away with a tiny slot that you could used to tie a cord around. I feel tying your phone to your trousers is the only way not to lose your phone in India. We are packed like sardines here when we use the public transport and thats the only way to secure your phone.
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Nope. I actually don't like "big brother" tracking me down.
So what if you can track it? I might be able to track it down to a condo, so how are you gonna know who took the phone?
I doubt the police would make a raid JUST FOR A PHONE.
Yes I know, I've been to India. Yep, I agree on this one. I do want a strap.
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If they were, engineers would see it.
No, with software it's easily wipeable. If the nexus 4 came with a tracking app named TRACK (for an example) , I can just take the phone, wipe it and install cyanogenmod on it. There you go, the app "TRACK" will be gone. Software side would be useless. If i'm not mistaken cerberus suffers from the same problem. It's a software. I'm sure you can wipe it.
Bottom line is, unless manufacturers make a HARDWARE that lets you track it, there's no full proof way of tracking it. Even then, it's hard to convict someone of stealing your phone.
In case you're thinking that I don't understand your pain of losing a nexus 4, trust me when I say I do. I lost my nexus 4 IN SCHOOL about 2 weeks go.
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Nope. I actually don't like "big brother" tracking me down.
So what if you can track it? I might be able to track it down to a condo, so how are you gonna know who took the phone?
I doubt the police would make a raid JUST FOR A PHONE.
Yes I know, I've been to India. Yep, I agree on this one. I do want a strap.
If they were, engineers would see it.
No, with software it's easily wipeable. If the nexus 4 came with a tracking app named TRACK (for an example) , I can just take the phone, wipe it and install cyanogenmod on it. There you go, the app "TRACK" will be gone. Software side would be useless. If i'm not mistaken cerberus suffers from the same problem. It's a software. I'm sure you can wipe it.
Bottom line is, unless manufacturers make a HARDWARE that lets you track it, there's no full proof way of tracking it. Even then, it's hard to convict someone of stealing your phone.
In case you're thinking that I don't understand your pain of losing a nexus 4, trust me when I say I do. I lost my nexus 4 IN SCHOOL about 2 weeks go.
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The point is to make stealing phones difficult. If the police raid a couple of times, the thieves would think that its useless stealing phones, since they get tracked and would discourage them from this practice. Till the someone found an IMEI loophole, im guessing phone theft would be on decline too. For eg: Modern cars. Since the chip installed in the Key. Car theft has gone down considerably.
Also, were not really upset upon losing your Nexus 4? What steps did you take to get it back, if at all?
I was hoping mine would get recovered eventually. But i have lost all hope.
I wish the thief gets slow roasted in hell.
However, we advise you to refrain from rooting your device, as it will disable Samsung Pay, just like KNOX. When you root your device, the integrity gets breached, which is necessary for important and sensitive features like mobile payments.
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Source: sammoble.com
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Source: sammoble.com
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That post has no concrete evidence (tests done with app/confirmation from samsung) and is pure speculation. Was posted on reddit as well. The article assumes that since Samsung Wallet doesn't work when the phone is rooted, it is most likely that Samsung Pay won't work either.
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That post has no concrete evidence (tests done with app/confirmation from samsung) and is pure speculation. Was posted on reddit as well. The article assumes that since Samsung Wallet doesn't work when the phone is rooted, it is most likely that Samsung Pay won't work either.
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Don't bet on that. Sammobile has sources inside Samsung and has their stuff in order 99.8% of the time. I wouldn't have posted this if I didn't think the source was credible.
Well I'm screwed...
This sucks if really true.
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I remember a mod for Isis/Softcard to get it to work when rooted. Maybe one will come out for Samsung Pay.
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I can live with that.
Other paying methods like Google Wallet, PayPal with fingerprint and Vodafone Wallet are still working (although you have to use root hiding methods).
I do a lot online buying and pay by cash for gas...etc, so is not really affect me.
Was holding off root for to find our but I caved and rooted to disable tome apps and gain battery life. Many of us won't enjoy it then since we love custom roms and kernels. Someone may find a patch eventually
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Someone may find a patch eventually
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It depends on whether Samsung Pay functionality is broken only by root or by tripping Knox. If root, then unrooting or using a root blocker may restore functionality. If it depends on Knox, there is almost no hope.
If i root so samsung pay not working forewer ? What about when i unroot device ?
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I remember a mod for Isis/Softcard to get it to work when rooted. Maybe one will come out for Samsung Pay.
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well i had softcard working on Note 3 with root and Xposed but it didnt always work and it appears that this is much deeper.
there is no root for my Verizon Edge yet so i dont have this decision to make but if i did i would probably wait and be sure.
I was anticipating this to be true but still holding out hope. Resisting the urge to root is killing me softly.
Unless Samsung Pay is the most important feature or reason for getting this device, this news is not newsworthy. I'm not going to stay unrooted for a feature I would probably never use. Pulling out the old plastic credit card and using that works every time and is accepted virtually everywhere. I may not be able to say the same for Samsung Pay.
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Unless Samsung Pay is the most important feature or reason for getting this device, this new is not newsworthy. I'm not going to stay unrooted for a feature I would probably never use. Pulling out the old plastic credit card and using that works every time and is accepted virtually everywhere. I may not be able to say the same for Samsung Pay.
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amen to that, also I didn't buy this phone for this feature in 1st place away, rooted it on very day I got it.
vanessaem said:
Unless Samsung Pay is the most important feature or reason for getting this device, this news is not newsworthy. I'm not going to stay unrooted for a feature I would probably never use. Pulling out the old plastic credit card and using that works every time and is accepted virtually everywhere. I may not be able to say the same for Samsung Pay.
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THIS +1000 :good::good::good::good::good:
Did you REALLY get this phone to use it as a credit card?
And yeah, I don't believe much of what I read on SamMobile; when Samsung/ my CARRIER makes an OFFICIAL announcement, then I'll believe it..
Its the internet, remember, stop believing anything you read on it..
Wow that sucks for people who rooted. Samsung pay is pretty neat to have, considering it works just like plastic.
I'm totally on the same page as many here. Even if my phone had Wallet, Pay or some other app, I wouldn't use it--I'd pull out my credit card instead. The downside for me is that I've never kept a smartphone for over a year, and the prospect of listing one on swappa or ebay with broken features that will degrade the value of the device is pretty unattractive. And not rooting is not an option for me.
I also think newbs should be made aware of the consequences of rooting. I'm not worried about most of you guys because you know what you are doing.
Hmmm, lets see. Root is absolutely essential to me and I wont buy a phone that isn't root capable under any circumstances because I'd rather be kicked in the testicles every day as a wake up alarm than own a phone without it.
I've had nfc payments since they started and outside of a few purchases to try it out I haven't used it since. I don't find it any easier to pull out my cell phone than my wallet and half the time I leave the phone in the car anyways when I go in a store. Meanwhile I have to carry my wallet anyways which is filled with all manner of plastic.
I forgot what we were talking about, what was the question again?
Been using Google wallet at coffee shops , Wallgreens, etc. Pay is supposed to be capable of being used at any retail place with a magnetic credit card strip. Love to have the convenience. Anyway, there is much less bloatware on the Samsung S 6 so I think I can wait until further acknowledgement as far as if a developer can come up with a fix to use samsung pay once your phone is rooted which I'm sure will happen.
reading through the forums came across this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...-boot-images-android-verified-t3600606/page26 ,then read this in post #253 https://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-galaxy-s7/help/to-self-sign-recovery-roms-s7-help-t3618744 . seems like there is some progress going on.i was just about to flash to the new Oreo and BL but no no no. ill hang tight for a minute.
podagee said:
reading through the forums came across this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...-boot-images-android-verified-t3600606/page26 ,then read this in post #253 https://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-galaxy-s7/help/to-self-sign-recovery-roms-s7-help-t3618744 . seems like there is some progress going on.i was just about to flash to the new Oreo and BL but no no no. ill hang tight for a minute.
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Except they hit a pretty big (and obvious if you understand what they are looking at) brick wall.
All that was found was an ota looking version of boot.img which looks like it could be used to build the boot image provided in the rom. Some people got a little over excited thinking that if the code was there then naturally the way to sign it would be too. However this was not the case. There were no keys found to sign anything
If you understand how public/private cryptography, like ssl which is basically what it used here works, it becomes very clear that Samsung would never, ever allow the signing key to leave the physical premesis of their engineering headquarters for touchwiz, much less package it in every single rom image on the internet. This is because you don't need the private key to talk to talk to the bootloader (only it's public key), but without it you can't prove you are who you say you are.
Putting that RSA key on the internet, hell anywhere but an air gapped machine under guard, would be the tech equivalent of posting your credit card, bank details, all username/password combos, and perfect scans of your passport, drivers license social security card and birth certificate and then going off the grid on vacation for 2 months ???. It's just not going to happen, and it didn't ?
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Except they hit a pretty big (and obvious if you understand what they are looking at) brick wall.
All that was found was an ota looking version of boot.img which looks like it could be used to build the boot image provided in the rom. Some people got a little over excited thinking that if the code was there then naturally the way to sign it would be too. However this was not the case. There were no keys found to sign anything
If you understand how public/private cryptography, like ssl which is basically what it used here works, it becomes very clear that Samsung would never, ever allow the signing key to leave the physical premesis of their engineering headquarters for touchwiz, much less package it in every single rom image on the internet. This is because you don't need the private key to talk to talk to the bootloader (only it's public key), but without it you can't prove you are who you say you are.
Putting that RSA key on the internet, hell anywhere but an air gapped machine under guard, would be the tech equivalent of posting your credit card, bank details, all username/password combos, and perfect scans of your passport, drivers license social security card and birth certificate and then going off the grid on vacation for 2 months ???. It's just not going to happen, and it didn't ?
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True,but, hopefully they'll get into it. But not too sure of it. Like the S7 there isn't a permanent root yet I understand. Yes and I do understand it so you didn't have to be a Di..... Nevermind. But yeah, Samsung has locked there stuff up pretty damn good and I'm thinking of swapping boards just for real root. I don't understand how we pay so damn much for a phone, mine cost me $950 at ATT and it's had hardware failures since I bought it and they give me no warranty., But we own the phone and I believe we have the right to do what we want with it. But that's also not the case since it's like taking something from them that's copyrighted and using for our enjoyment. I totally understand it and kinda don't care anymore since MY ONE MONTH OLD PHONE IS MESSED UP, I WENT BACK TO NEXUS. BUT HEY, THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT
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True,but, hopefully they'll get into it. But not too sure of it. Like the S7 there isn't a permanent root yet I understand. Yes and I do understand it so you didn't have to be a Di..... Nevermind. But yeah, Samsung has locked there stuff up pretty damn good and I'm thinking of swapping boards just for real root. I don't understand how we pay so damn much for a phone, mine cost me $950 at ATT and it's had hardware failures since I bought it and they give me no warranty., But we own the phone and I believe we have the right to do what we want with it. But that's also not the case since it's like taking something from them that's copyrighted and using for our enjoyment. I totally understand it and kinda don't care anymore since MY ONE MONTH OLD PHONE IS MESSED UP, I WENT BACK TO NEXUS. BUT HEY, THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT
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So you really think Samsung would bundle their private key for signing all things Knox/secure boot for an entire line in a publicly available firmware image for the whole world to find? Given that these phones are sold via defense contracts to the us gvt, if they use the same CA to sign those certs (likely as otherwise they'd have to be a completely different set of devices as the hw bootloader is signed) that might actually be illegal, as anyone anywhere on the internet, including hostile nation states can freely dig for it.
What do you mean by 'permanent root'? Im pretty sure that the s7 has a 'permanent' root method, and I can say with 100% certainty that the s8 does. What has not been achieved is finding a bootloader exploit that allows disabling/bypassing of secure boot, but that does not have anything to do with being able to use uid=0 on a running system which is what the word 'root' means. You don't have to reinstall it every boot or every so often though, it will stay there as long as you leave it so it's definitely 'permanent'. I'm even more lost on what you mean by 'real' root, again given the aforementioned definition. It sounds like you are talking about unlocking the boot loader, which would be great and you're right is very hard, but still is not related to gaining root access or keeping it.
What are you trying to do with swapping motherboards? Are you expecting to be able to drop a G950F board into a G950U device? I would be surprised if they were that identical. I'm definitely interested in what you are talking about doing & why instead of just getting an entire new (used) G950F and selling the old one. I bet used ones that are 0x1 are even cheaper!
*sigh* I wish people would not say things that have no meaning like 'real root' when they actually mean unlocked bootloader ?
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So you really think Samsung would bundle their private key for signing all things Knox/secure boot for an entire line in a publicly available firmware image for the whole world to find? Given that these phones are sold via defense contracts to the us gvt, if they use the same CA to sign those certs (likely as otherwise they'd have to be a completely different set of devices as the hw bootloader is signed) that might actually be illegal, as anyone anywhere on the internet, including hostile nation states can freely dig for it.
What do you mean by 'permanent root'? Im pretty sure that the s7 has a 'permanent' root method, and I can say with 100% certainty that the s8 does. What has not been achieved is finding a bootloader exploit that allows disabling/bypassing of secure boot, but that does not have anything to do with being able to use uid=0 on a running system which is what the word 'root' means. You don't have to reinstall it every boot or every so often though, it will stay there as long as you leave it so it's definitely 'permanent'. I'm even more lost on what you mean by 'real' root, again given the aforementioned definition. It sounds like you are talking about unlocking the boot loader, which would be great and you're right is very hard, but still is not related to gaining root access or keeping it.
What are you trying to do with swapping motherboards? Are you expecting to be able to drop a G950F board into a G950U device? I would be surprised if they were that identical. I'm definitely interested in what you are talking about doing & why instead of just getting an entire new (used) G950F and selling the old one. I bet used ones that are 0x1 are even cheaper!
*sigh* I wish people would not say things that have no meaning like 'real root' when they actually mean unlocked bootloader ?
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Because I have a snapdragon which is the G955U not the exynos F pal. Seems like you are trolling and I don't play know it all on here buddy. I just came across work that I found interesting, posted it, and made a comment. If you wanna argue with someone you should do it with your mom and tell how tired you are of yourself and how she has the bills. I'm only saying that because you seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be trolling when you know just a bit of what youre talking about. And if you research PAL! the motherboard fitments are the same and the only thing that's differentiates them besides the Exynos processors is the antennae wires which Snapdragons have 2 and the Exynos has one. So don't come to this thread bombing on me when you haven't done enough of your homework. I rest my case and I am not going to argue with anyone on here about ROOT! feel me?
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podagee said:
Because I have a snapdragon which is the G955U not the exynos F pal. Seems like you are trolling and I don't play know it all on here buddy. I just came across work that I found interesting, posted it, and made a comment. If you wanna argue with someone you should do it with your mom and tell how tired you are of yourself and how she has the bills. I'm only saying that because you seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be trolling when you know just a bit of what youre talking about. And if you research PAL! the motherboard fitments are the same and the only thing that's differentiates them besides the Exynos processors is the antennae wires which Snapdragons have 2 and the Exynos has one. So don't come to this thread bombing on me when you haven't done enough of your homework. I rest my case and I am not going to argue with anyone on here about ROOT! feel me?
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You're a bit oversensitive. Your question was misleading in that the verbage doesn't make sense. "Real root" made sense on the S7 when for some time they were using an engineering root method that was very buggy and had to be reapplied...but that was in the *very early* stages. S7 and S8 have had stable root for some time. I agree with the other poster...it's permanent if it "sticks" across reboots.
Why should the admins close this? Just because someone tried helping you out?
Chill a bit. He wasn't trolling and actually provided good info. Take it as being educated and not a personal insult.
Useless help. Regreted the will badly to ask here about my problem.
bacKzZ said:
So I had problems with my charging port on my S8 phone of that "Moisture Detection" feature superiority that totally exploited the charging port and destroyed it completely despite it never ever touching the water substance on it's whole lifespan leading me with total broken adapter and not even having access to use the phone again despite having the guaranty of Sasmung that it will work for "2 years" without even a problem. So I took the phone and send it to the store I bought in my country which is Neptun in Kosovo basically in Prizren city. I told what's the problem and even asked them clearly; I couldn't really make an backup from the phone due to the charging port failure and precisely asked them.Will they remove every single thingI have in my phone? Since it only is hardware related problem and it doesn't even have any manipulation need in the software for only swaping the charging port with a new one. And they said, Not really, Don't even worry about it, They won't remove any single of thing your phone and I asked them again about it because I still wasn't sure about it, they once again told me that they will not. So I let them get my phone and send in their repairing center hopingly to fix it properly without any problem as I had even bad experience with them about my TV which had problems of getting turned on and they completely removed the WIFI dongle it had inside and disable the wifi connection, now I can't even use the wifi connection anymore. So normally from that I had doubts for my phone as well. And guess what? I was right. They kind of fixed the charging port but they did even worse, They completely removed every single important thing I had starting from my college lessons, all the photos , different important documents and evidences that I had about an legal case that it is still open and totally depends on those evidences and every single thing I had there got destructed in brutalest way possible due to people's ignorance and negligence on my phone, even after persuading them of actual situation. Now it's been 2 weeks since I got my phone and i'm struggling to even find any way of recovering those important documents and evidences that's life mattering. The storage of the phone is not yet used to it's fullest due to the chances of the old data being overwritted.
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Disk digger is your best bet
TheMadScientist said:
Disk digger is your best bet
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Do I have to root the phone? Is it worth destroying the warranty and at the end getting nothing?
bacKzZ said:
Do I have to root the phone? Is it worth destroying the warranty and at the end getting nothing?
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It will run non rooted
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It will run non rooted
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Do you even realize that they completely deleted everything? Like format **** or whatever those dumbass creations did. The app doesn't even find anything other than my own photos that I recovered from Samsung Cloud and nothing else.
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Do you even realize that they completely deleted everything? Like format **** or whatever those dumbass creations did. The app doesn't even find anything other than my own photos that I recovered from Samsung Cloud and nothing else.
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Well that was your best bet. I guess you shoulda had it all backed up to the cloud. Like most of us do. Being rude like that isn't helping nothing but stopping others from joining in. Maybe you could have wireless charged the device. And then backed up. Or maybe you could've backed up on a PC and not relied on 1 device as a backup of very important information. But you didn't. Any time you send a device In for repair it gets formatted don't matter what they say. So tough luck mate that's how the world works. I understand your frustrations. But in the end it's your own fault
Again disk digger was your best bet. Only other option is an paid service for data recovery. I felt the way you posted was directed at me. So I did snap back. If not how it was meant I'm sorry. Just looked like it.
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