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I figured since there is finally a place to post this, I will do so here. There is currently ongoing development for the Motorola MotoACTV smart watch. It began simply as a fitness watch, but has evolved with root, recovery, and roms into the best android watch available.
AND IT CAME OUT IN NOVEMBER OF 2011.
Interesting, yes? Let me get you some details from our current wiki (http://motoactv.wikispaces.com/home, started from the members right here on xda):
Code:
Hardware Specs:
Processor: 600MHz OMAP3 (3630) ARMv7 CPU supporting ARM architecture:
- thumb, vfp, vfpv3, edsp & neon. (overclockable to 1Ghz currently)
256MB of RAM and 8GB of NAND Flash Memory (Or 16 GB)
Wifi 802.11B/G/N
Bluetooth 4.0 (low-power mode)
ANT+ for connectivity to fitness sensors (heart rate, etc.)
FM Tuner (with Radio Data System for station & song identification)
PowerVR GPU
1.6" 220x176 capacitive multitouch LCD display
5 hardware buttons on the side:
- (Start, Music, Volume +, Volume -, Standby/Power)
1 additional capacitive button on the front for 'back button'.
Ambient light sensor
White charging and notification LEDs
Accelerometer
GPS
So now that you're intrigued, let me give you some resources to get you started!
Main XDA Thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399692
Root Tool and Image Flasher:
MAKE SURE YOU CHARGE TO 100% BEFORE DOING ANY OF THIS!!!
http://www.cleardroidroms.com/motoactv.php
I MEAN IT!!! CHARGE TO 100% BEFORE DOING ANY FLASHING!!!
Overclocking:
Dproldan's Overclock - Easy windows installer in this post
Roms:
ClearDroid MotoACTV
DPRom for MotoACTV
ReACTV Rom
RunKeeperACTV for MotoACTV
FreeFly ROM
CEnnis91's stock roms/AnyRoot
Custom Watch Faces:
Custom Watch Faces Thread
Bluetooth PAN Tethering Instructions (Internet via Bluetooth from Phone to Watch)
Saeviomage's Tutorial
MotoACTV TCX Exporter:
SuperDave's MotoACTV TCX data exporter thread
Known working apps
Known working apps thread
IF YOU DIDN'T LISTEN AND ARE NOW "LOW BATTERY" AND CANNOT FLASH:
First thing's first. It will probably still charge on the wall charger or a car charger. Try that first. But, if it won't...
(or if you're just an avid flasher,) I'd also recommend you get one of these to help you out of jams: Motorola Factory Cable. The one at that link from Team Black Hat is typically out of stock, but a search of the words "Motorola Factory Fastboot Cable" on eBay can get you one for between $5-8. This cable does not charge your unit and does not come with the MotoACTV.
Any questions? Please post below. And GET YOUR ACTV ON!

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What's the cost?
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Mine brand new when they first came out was $249 for the 8g, but substantially lower now, I'm sure.
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I just bought one as well but it still cost me $240 on amazon.

Re: Motorola MotoACTV
eBay is always good.
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Update: just checked, they're going for $50-200 on ebay, lots are on there for sale.
Also, I will be updating the first post of this thread with any info/links that you guys need. We would love for more development of this device, since we've been doing it for months/years now.

Wow this seems great! Youtube and a browser. I recently bought myself the Sony Smart Watch, and I was not too impressed with the battery life time, how is this ones?
I also managed to ruin my SmartWatch, but I'm gonna get it refunded from the store I'll probably get this from eBay! Is there any bugs/problems I should know about from the Motorola watch?

I get mine tomorrow, and my only concern/question is how well this handles Bluetooth tethering. I use FoxFi and PDAnet with phone and tablet and i'm hoping I can use the same with the motoactv.

Jakmalmo said:
Wow this seems great! Youtube and a browser. I recently bought myself the Sony Smart Watch, and I was not too impressed with the battery life time, how is this ones?
I also managed to ruin my SmartWatch, but I'm gonna get it refunded from the store I'll probably get this from eBay! Is there any bugs/problems I should know about from the Motorola watch?
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Not really. Battery life for me is around a week, sometimes more if I turn it off at night. I don't leave bluetooth or wifi on unless I need them though, and keep the brightness around half. I also turned off the shake-to-wake feature, as my watch was turning on when I was just walking around and using up battery life with the screen on lol.
But, for such a tiny battery, a week is pretty good in my opinion. Either way, you can just charge it every night if you're a heavy user. Keep in mind, this isn't like those other "smart watches" that only issue notifications, this is a full blown android device.
Joescan said:
I get mine tomorrow, and my only concern/question is how well this handles Bluetooth tethering. I use FoxFi and PDAnet with phone and tablet and i'm hoping I can use the same with the motoactv.
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I know Nook Tether works on it for bluetooth tethering (internet pass through) I believe, but I'm not sure about the others. I've heard of PDAnet also, it might have been another that worked. I don't tether mine though, so I'm not sure.
The only thing I want different is the watch strap, and an XDA user is actually working on a better one right now. I can't wait!

Not really. Battery life for me is around a week, sometimes more if I turn it off at night. I don't leave bluetooth or wifi on unless I need them though, and keep the brightness around half. I also turned off the shake-to-wake feature, as my watch was turning on when I was just walking around and using up battery life with the screen on lol.
But, for such a tiny battery, a week is pretty good in my opinion. Either way, you can just charge it every night if you're a heavy user. Keep in mind, this isn't like those other "smart watches" that only issue notifications, this is a full blown android device.
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I'm leading an auction on eBay at the moment. The "Buy Now" alternatives is too expensive with shipping to Norway :/
A week battery time sounds good to me I had to charge my SmartWatch every day, and that wasn't a problem.
How's the Firefox browser and YouTube app working on the watch?

Jakmalmo said:
I'm leading an auction on eBay at the moment. The "Buy Now" alternatives is too expensive with shipping to Norway :/
A week battery time sounds good to me I had to charge my SmartWatch every day, and that wasn't a problem.
How's the Firefox browser and YouTube app working on the watch?
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Youtube works great, not sure about Firefox though. I think some people used Boat browser or something and had fine results with it.

Is there a way to keep the display on to use as a watch, without pushing a button? How much space does the OS use? Is Ebay prefer over Amazon for purchase?

ronaldheld said:
Is there a way to keep the display on to use as a watch, without pushing a button? How much space does the OS use? Is Ebay prefer over Amazon for purchase?
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It has shake to wake, where you shake your wrist and the display turns on. The os doesn't use much, maybe 200mb or something. I've got the 8 gig version and have plenty of space, even with roms. However, the space for installing apps is limited for the time being. I'm not sure, but there might be a way to partition the space on the device to get more app space.
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I was unaware of the shake to awaken. I will go for the 8 Gb unit when I get the funds. More reading needs to be done to see which ROM may be the best for me. How hard is it for someone to generate a customized ROM without extensive training?

ronaldheld said:
I was unaware of the shake to awaken. I will go for the 8 Gb unit when I get the funds. More reading needs to be done to see which ROM may be the best for me. How hard is it for someone to generate a customized ROM without extensive training?
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The hardest part is the script lol. Making one work is not easy. I've been working on roms for years now and this is the most finicky device I've ever seen.
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I will have to pass on this activity fir now. Does any ROM support an audible alarm and customized time date screen?

It doesn't have a built in speaker. I'm sure you can get the alarm to show on the screen though?
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That could be a problem I was thinking of using the alarm in the morning and when needed. Off to see one at VZW today.
The store did not have any, demo or for sale.

ronaldheld said:
That could be a problem I was thinking of using the alarm in the morning and when needed. Off to see one at VZW today.
The store did not have any, demo or for sale.
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Cool! Let us know what you think! Of course, the one you see won't be rooted or have a regular android launcher on it yet.

I have decided to buy one, preferably at less than ~$250. I would prefer new versus used since they are discontinued and i am uncertain about warrantee. Maybe i can afford to order one next week. No doubt I will have questions, if rooting does not go smoothly.

ronaldheld said:
I have decided to buy one, preferably at less than ~$250. I would prefer new versus used since they are discontinued and i am uncertain about warrantee. Maybe i can afford to order one next week. No doubt I will have questions, if rooting does not go smoothly.
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Just make sure it's charged to 100% before you start, and use the root tool with a windows machine. It should be easy as pie.

Ditched Note for Surface Pro 3

I have been a loyal user of Samsung galaxy products for a very long time, owning the s3, note 2, note 8, note 10.1, and note 10.1 2014. in general they have been excellent aside from very poor resale value. my favorite of all these devices used to be the 10.1 2014. it had a sharp screen and excellent battery life. then the kit kat update happened. all of a sudden my battery life went to hell and even after I rooted and such I could still not restore the device to where it had been. when I watch youtube or do anything intense the battery dies unbelievably fast,
I finally gave up and got a surface pro 3. so far I am very impressed. for my use the battery life is better than note. also fairly light and extremely powerful. onenote is far better than snote. microsofts onedrive integration is awesome.
I feel Samsung devices have gone downhill lately. I wanted to get an s4 but found the bloatware intolerable, especially annoying is my magazine. the fingerprint scanner and heart rate functionality also suck. ill also be replacing my note 2 with an lg g3 or iPhone 6.

errrr..oki?

ehm good for you, but your point being?
As I see it to each his own, congrats on a new gadget but no need to start a post just on that accord..... Just saying

Kind of apples and oranges, no?

Ummmmmmmmmmkkkkkkkkkkkkkk...........
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I tried out the surface pro 3 and went back to note 10.1 2014. I just could not get lots of the apps I got so used to over time. Keyboard and concept was great, OS not as much , as a tablet os , it sucks to use your finger on desktop.
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red321red321 said:
... but found the bloatware intolerable ....
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Too bad that was all in your head. So-called "bloatware" takes up minimal resources in storage, and after a few minutes of having booted is no longer in your RAM nor uses any CPU cycles.

kcrudup said:
Too bad that was all in your head. So-called "bloatware" takes up minimal resources in storage, and after a few minutes of having booted is no longer in your RAM nor uses any CPU cycles.
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Do you have Android OS keeping the device awake? Mine have this over a course of 10 hours since disconnected from power AND only have screen on time of 1.5 hours.
I already turned off bloatware from "Application Manager", no background app like weather or social media. So this bloatware does take CPU resources and keeping the tablet awake.
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You have some app killing your battery, not "bloatware". I don't remove anything and have very little "awake" time that's not "screen on" time. You should get "Bettery Battery Stats" from the Play Store (if you're rooted).

kcrudup said:
You have some app killing your battery, not "bloatware". I don't remove anything and have very little "awake" time that's not "screen on" time. You should get "Bettery Battery Stats" from the Play Store (if you're rooted).
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This is a brand new device, just got it last Sunday. No 3rd party apps installed at all. Only setup Google account so I can update existing app and sync Gmail and calendar. If it is not "bloatware", then it is whatever apps that came with the tablet.
No Google Now crap, but GPS is turned on.
BBS won't show detailed info as I am not rooted.
EDIT: forgot to mention that I hard reset the device already.

Shot in the dark- do you have a D-Link router?

kcrudup said:
Shot in the dark- do you have a D-Link router?
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No, I have an ASUS RT-N66U. I also thought that my router have something to do with the tablet, like it is broadcasting something that made the tablet responded, but the awake situation applies even when I am at the office, which uses other brand of wireless AP.
I am going to turn off GPS and see what will happen. Maybe the location based network is causing it.

lanwarrior said:
No, I have an ASUS RT-N66U.
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Huh. (So do I.) I'd asked 'cause one of the things we'd noticed when I was working for a couple of companies making Android devices is certain D-Link routers management/beacon frames were coming at just the right interval to keep the WiFi chip waking up the kernel.
"Android Services" could be anything, though. You're on a WiFi-only device, right?

kcrudup said:
Huh. (So do I.) I'd asked 'cause one of the things we'd noticed when I was working for a couple of companies making Android devices is certain D-Link routers management/beacon frames were coming at just the right interval to keep the WiFi chip waking up the kernel.
"Android Services" could be anything, though. You're on a WiFi-only device, right?
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Yes, I have the WIFI version.
BTW, its Android OS that is causing the wake locks, not Android System according to App Manager.

I'm thinking the same thing. I'm looking at the Surface Pro to replace my Note 10.1 2014 since nobody knows how to fix it. Not even Samsung.

Antrax said:
I'm thinking the same thing. I'm looking at the Surface Pro to replace my Note 10.1 2014 since nobody knows how to fix it. Not even Samsung.
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Just my 2 cents:
I did look at the Surface Pro 3 before I bought my Note 10.1. It is a great device, but it does not fit my need as follow:
1). It is much heavier than an Android tablet
2). Battery life is not as good
3). Not much apps available, especially those that I need (Google Maps is one).
I already have a MacBook Air with great battery life, so I opted to have 2 devices instead since each served its own purpose. I.e. for media consumption, I use the Note; for real work like Excel, I use the MacBook Air.

I feel your pain on the Note 2. Damn home button lag is ridiculous for me. I'm rooted on 4.4 with Knox killed and S Voice double tap turned off. 4.4 was installed after doing a complete wipe of my phone. The only way I can fix it is by clearing my memory after I have about 6 apps open. That's ridiculous for a phone with 2GB of RAM. My brother's Galaxy S II has a way more responsive home button with half the RAM and half the cores.
I am a lot happier with my Note 10.1 2014 now that I've turned off the physical buttons on the front. Note taking is absolutely perfect now.
Very impressed with what MS has been able to do in just two revisions. Can't wait to see what they do for the 4th gen.
Like you, I am seriously considering the iPhone 6. But only if the large screen 64GB price is reasonable and the camera has OIS. But I also want to see what the McLaren ends up being. A second gen Lumia 1020 sounds very intriguing. Hell, I even want to try out the Passport. The keyboard sounds really interesting.
An incredible Motorola X+1, an impressive Nexus 6 and the Note 4 which will be incredible for sure are the three phones that could make me stay Android.
It's good to be alive. I remember when hitting the 1GHz mark on a single core in 2010 was mind blowing. So many amazing choices now. We are so spoiled. It's unreal.

Stocklone said:
I feel your pain on the Note 2. Damn home button lag is ridiculous for me. I'm rooted on 4.4 with Knox killed and S Voice double tap turned off. 4.4 was installed after doing a complete wipe of my phone. The only way I can fix it is by clearing my memory after I have about 6 apps open. That's ridiculous for a phone with 2GB of RAM. My brother's Galaxy S II has a way more responsive home button with half the RAM and half the cores.
I am a lot happier with my Note 10.1 2014 now that I've turned off the physical buttons on the front. Note taking is absolutely perfect now.
Very impressed with what MS has been able to do in just two revisions. Can't wait to see what they do for the 4th gen.
Like you, I am seriously considering the iPhone 6. But only if the large screen 64GB price is reasonable and the camera has OIS. But I also want to see what the McLaren ends up being. A second gen Lumia 1020 sounds very intriguing. Hell, I even want to try out the Passport. The keyboard sounds really interesting.
An incredible Motorola X+1, an impressive Nexus 6 and the Note 4 which will be incredible for sure are the three phones that could make me stay Android.
It's good to be alive. I remember when hitting the 1GHz mark on a single core in 2010 was mind blowing. So many amazing choices now. We are so spoiled. It's unreal.
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How did you turn off the home button in you Now 10.1?

lanwarrior said:
How did you turn off the home button in you Now 10.1?
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You have to be rooted. But there are two text files you have to modify in system/usr/keylayout. gpio-keys.kl and generic.kl. In generic, key 139 and 158 need to be commented out with a #. In gpio, key 172 needs to be commented out. I used ES File Explorer but that wouldn't let me save to the keylayout folder directly after editing with the ES Note Editor so I copied the files to sdcard, modified them, copied them back then modified the properties so the RWX permissions were the same as the other files in that directory. Now I use Button Savior Pro for my virtual buttons. You can enable virtual buttons by editing another file but they are spaced out weird so I prefer Savior Pro by far. So if you ever decide to root, there you go. Jnn1 on XDA figured this out. I'm just trying to provide more thorough directions.
Also, I'm using the 600 model on a custom ROM that has Gravity Box enabled which has an option that forces the menu options to appear on the action bar. Maybe forcing the virtual buttons would do the same thing. I don't know. I do know not having to press a menu button to see if there are any options is awesome.
If you just want to do home, only the 172 key needs to be commented.

They definitely both have their own place. The surface pro for work on the go and galaxy for web browsing/apps

Yotaphone 3 wishlist

Fingerprint scanner
Faster epd
Led light on epd for night reading
4gb ram
64-128 storage
Theme engine
Same screen size for front and back.
Etc
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I would like to see better EPD with reduced ghosting, bigger storage, and most importantly: lower price. The price has been the biggest issue (apart from availability) which has been keeping the developer community so small: if there are no users, why bother creating applications for the device?
But based on the few articles I've read, most of these issues are being worked on for the next iteration: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/0...taphone-2c-heres-whats-coming-next-from-yota/
Edit. Oh yes, a notification led. There is no way seeing if you've got messages apart from opening the front screen in the dark. The led should be placed on one of the sides so it would be visible no matter which screen was facing up.

When they lowered the price it showed less people where interested.
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adamo86 said:
When they lowered the price it showed less people where interested.
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Curious. Well, the specs are falling behind pretty fast, and I think the big mobile giants had just released a new devices around that time. (S6 or the Edge, whatever it was called)
The cancellation of North America's launch migth actually move the release date of Yotaphone 3 closer than it was planned before, because now they don't need to get rid of those North America specific Yotaphones and wait for the market to settle and be ready for new iteration. Hopefully they can compete with the other flagship phones feature and valuewise.

If the specs where higher I think the price was good but the price for yotaphone 2 was too high just for an epd. What amazed me was the lack of development.
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adamo86 said:
If the specs where higher I think the price was good but the price for yotaphone 2 was too high just for an epd. What amazed me was the lack of development.
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Agreed. The development of 3rd party apps was greatly hindered because they released the SDK so late in the device's life cycle - and it's still in beta! The documentation is terrible, if not non-exsistent, and there are very few examples and/or tutorials. I practically had to tear the existing applications apart to get an idea how to do basic things. Also, I still haven't been able to get the emulator to work, so you basically NEED to have an actual device to develop anything. So it really isn't that developer friendly at the moment.
When it comes to 1st party apps, I think they have been quite alright. There is still room for improvement, but as of the latest updates I am ok with the current state. Most likely their development team has been working on bringing the support for Lollipop, so that has taken majority of their time.

Love the V2 phone a lot but too much wrong with it. I am an e-ink enthusiast and I think the display on this phone is fine... there is always a tradeoff between 'cleanliness' and speed... see this vid I made for the Nook https://vimeo.com/67164582 - and really if you want an outdoor phone, this is the only one on the market!
My wishlist
1) Actually have the battery life work as promised. My old Samsung Note does as well and it doesn't have an EPD or any fancy energy saving modes. The Y2 seems to last a couple of days on standby in Lollipop, not impressive.
2) Manage the heat properly in the phone, so it doesn't get excessively hot: that's a sign that (1) above isn't working properly - if your processor is working overtime when just reading stuff you have a problem
3) Make the case openable, so you can replace the battery, otherwise you're doomed to binning the phone after a 18 months- 2 years, and values of secondhand phones will(and are) reflecting that.
4 )Get the software written somewhere where things like QA, unit testing,documentation etc are culturally acceptable. Better to do these things well and deliver small but robust functionality. Okay, it won't sell a stack of phones but at least your service/support lines won't be jammed... and you never know, some of the folks on this forum (and me) might write some software for it!
5) Put a reasonable camera on the phone, unless you like all your shots looking like they are done in the Mosow subway...
6) Hardware buttons on the 'front' of the phone to do things like home, back etc. Makes better use of that lovely display(which is good imho)
7) Sell it with a bumper to protect the phone or make it more robust.
8) Allow you to remove the ABBYY spyware service (a dictionary that needs to know my contacts???) without rooting.
I might get another one but they seem prone to bomb out and get unrecoverable.. it is a big gamble...

It would seem that Yota is teaming up with ZTE for YotaPhone 3: http://www.androidauthority.com/yotaphone-3-zte-yota-642364/
Interesting to see what this means in practice. ZTE at least has the volume in production Yota has been severely lacking.

My whishlist:
I know it is probably unlikely but it would be cool if it was running Android Marshmallow (One step further towards impossible would be CyanogenMod)... Sooo, I don't know the restrictions to this but I know that the Pebble Time has a color e-paper display, if it's possible to upscale that to the bigger screen, it would be the best. Otherwise please either include a SD-Card slot or at least more internal storage than the YP2. I'm not that into much camera stuff but it wouldn't hurt either... And if anyhow possible, do include NFC, please... And as a final 'request:' add capacitive buttons, I'd be switching from a OnePlus One and just the choice is really great. With all this please do keep the price moderate.
Thanks.
TL;DR:
-Android Marshmallow (possibly CyanogenMod)
-SD-Card slot
-more internal storage
-NFC
-capacitive buttons
-maybe camera improvements
-always on E-Paper color rear display
-decent price?

On my wishlist, there would of course be many point already mentioned by other posters, but here's the top features I'm currently missing on my Yotaphone 2, and that I'd like to see in the Yotaphone 3:
1) First and foremost, a backlight for the EPD screen. I mean, my 100 Euros e-ink reader (Kobo Aura) features a user-selectable (on/off, and brightness level) backlight on its b&w e-ink display, and even when keeping the backlight always on at the minimum setting, I still get a month worth of battery life on a singe charge. Don't get me wrong, the EPD, is wonderfull in daylight, when there sunshine, etc. But right now, I find myself using my Kobo reader half the time because I can keep on reading in the dark, when my wife's asleep.
2) Already mentionned, but I do happen to own a Pebble Time smartwatch with a color e-ink screen, and I'd definitely love to see this technology in the EPD on the Yotaphone 3.
3) Third party software. As stated above, due to the limitations of the EPD (lack of backlight) I still find myself using my Kobo reader, and the lack of EPD-enabled Kobo-compatible e-reader application makes it a PITA to keep my ebook in sync between the two devices. Sure, I could use the Kobo reader on the Yotaphone, but the application is terrible and doesn't suport the EPD.
4) A dictionary that do work. Heck, I even went as far as spending a couple of bucks on additional dictionaries for Abby on the Yotaphone, but it seems that the more dictionaries I add, the less definitions it finds when I lookup an english word in my ebooks...
5) Hardware button, LED notifications, removable battery are definitely on my list, but only after a memory expansion slot (microSD), as 32Gb is definitely too small to hold a decent amount of audio/video.
6) I vote in favor of the better camera, but I'd particularly would appreciate a bigger framerate allowing slow motion videos like on the iPhone/iPod. My kids and wife can produce some great slow-motion videos on their Apple devices, and I can't. Life's not fair... )

euroclie said:
2) Already mentionned, but I do happen to own a Pebble Time smartwatch with a color e-ink screen, and I'd definitely love to see this technology in the EPD on the Yotaphone 3.
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What do you think of Pebble's color screen in practice? My understanding was that it is basically just a low-power LCD screen, so not a "true" e-ink screen. Does it work well in sunlight? Does it suffer from ghosting like Yota's EPD? Does it go blank when the battery runs out or keep the last image?

Jeopardy said:
What do you think of Pebble's color screen in practice? My understanding was that it is basically just a low-power LCD screen, so not a "true" e-ink screen. Does it work well in sunlight? Does it suffer from ghosting like Yota's EPD? Does it go blank when the battery runs out or keep the last image?
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I'm really happy with the Pebble Time's color display.
Sure enough, the colors/brightness are far, far from an Apple Watch, say, or my previous smartwatch (Moto 360). But in sunlight the screen is wonderfully easy to read. In poor lighting conditions (indoor, night, whatever....) you do need the backlight, though, but initially I had the motion detection enabled to have the screen automatically backlit when moving my arm to read time, but I found out that most of the time it wasn't needed, and was using power, so now I just press a button (back button) when I need the backlight, and regardless of motion detection the battery life is impressive.
No ghosting at all, unlike the EPD on the Yotaphone, and I didn't completely drain the Pebble battery so I can't be 100% sure that the last image stays on the display in that case.

MCManuelLP said:
I know it is probably unlikely but it would be cool if it was running Android Marshmallow (One step further towards impossible would be CyanogenMod)... Sooo, I don't know the restrictions to this but I know that the Pebble Time has a color e-paper display, if it's possible to upscale that to the bigger screen, it would be the best. Otherwise please either include a SD-Card slot or at least more internal storage than the YP2. I'm not that into much camera stuff but it wouldn't hurt either... And if anyhow possible, do include NFC, please... And as a final 'request:' add capacitive buttons, I'd be switching from a OnePlus One and just the choice is really great. With all this please do keep the price moderate.
Thanks.
TL;DR:
-Android Marshmallow (possibly CyanogenMod)
-SD-Card slot
-more internal storage
-NFC
-capacitive buttons
-maybe camera improvements
-always on E-Paper color rear display
-decent price?
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Yp2 does have nfc
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adamo86 said:
Yp2 does have nfc
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Oh, ok, thanks... didn't find it in the specs.

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Oh, ok, thanks... didn't find it in the specs.
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Anyone knowing when will they release any news about the Yota 3?

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Anyone knowing when will they release any news about the Yota 3?
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I'm going with same tactic as I did with the Yota 2 - google phone name every day once. Nothing solid on dates yet, all we really know it's it's meant to come this year and ZTE are building it.

Based on LACK of development of apps / widgets for the e-ink display i won't even be looking at any news about it never mind buying one !!! really disappointed with yota should have been released in usa

kam1962 said:
Based on LACK of development of apps / widgets for the e-ink display i won't even be looking at any news about it never mind buying one !!! really disappointed with yota should have been released in usa
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They tried with the indiegogo approach, it didn't outcome well. They could insert the HSPA. Here on Brazil they got the LTE network right, but they didn't move yet.
It's a small company and I hope it gets bigger. They try to sell advances in cellphone tecnology, since most of the others big names on the market just update hardware and software, with no thinking outside the box like before.
I just think the prices are too high. Got myself a second hand one (yet yotaphone 1), really amazing device. I need lots of reading, so this device is just great to me.
I hope yota3 comes to USA and other countries.
Best wishes!

Good luck finding a Chinese manufacturer that listens to the needs of existing customers. But at least they will produce a phone with a competitive price.
Wish list? I agree with others' lists, to keep up the radical reputation will require a large colour EPD.

Pros & Cons of Stock ASUS ZenUI Firmware

There have been a lot of changes in ZenUI over the time (about 9 months?) since the ZF2's launch, although rather disappointingly it is still based on 5.0 Lollipop. So I was wondering what you guys make of it in its current iteration? Personally, I am in two minds about the stock ASUS firmware and tend to flash back and forth between stock and CM rom. Focusing mainly on the stock ROM, and not thinking too much about visual design, which is a very subjective matter, here are my pros and cons:
Pros: Camera performance is good for the price and much better than with CM/CM-based roms. The latest version of the pixelmaster app is improved, and gives a lot of functionality (the manual mode is especially nice and now better integrated). While not all useful, there are a number of included ASUS apps that I find useful. For me, I make use of the SuperNote app, I find the ASUS email app much better than the gmail app, the Remote Link app is useful with a PC, I like having Splendid to adjust the display, the Weather app is handy, and I like the PhotoCollage app. Although I don't use it much, it is good having FM Radio functionality (always good to have a radio when you live in an area with earthquakes like I do), something you lose with custom ROMs. I think battery life is OK using stock firmware. A lot of flagship device reviewers quote 3 to 4 hours SOT in a day's use as being pretty good, and I easily exceed that on my Z008 with stock rom and most features turned on or maxed. I have a few qualms about the Zen launcher visually, but that is very subjective as I said. In terms of functionality it brings a hell of a lot to the table - touch gestures such as DTTS/DTTW and swipe down functionality, lots of launcher options such as app lock, homescreen lock, folder customisations, app drawer options, wallpaper settings options, the choice of one or two-layer style, scroll effects, themes and so on. The ASUS settings and quick-settings also offer some good extra functionality. The ASUS cover functionality is also nice if you have a view flip cover. While it is a shame that we are still stuck with 5.0, it is at least good that ASUS have started to roll Google's monthly security updates into their own updates.
Cons: Probably my biggest bug bear is RAM management. Not sure if this is an effect of 5.0's memory leaks, but my 2GB RAM model often has under 300MB free, compared to 600-900 on CM. Usually this doesn't affect performance and the UI is smooth, but sometimes it does seem to get jammed up. Disabling apps or denying apps in Auto-Start manager doesn't seem to have any effect on this. While it has improved a lot, I still have some problems with app connectivity when the device is sleeping. For example, regardless of my wifi settings and power-saver settings, TuneIn radio streams buffer or completely stop after a few seconds when the screen goes off. On CM I do not encounter this problem. (Edit: actually the tune in problem seems to have now gone away). USB connectivity with my Pioneer car stereo was also broken, I think by the PC Link suite CD Rom function. This is very annoying (and I would be very grateful if anyone has a solution to this problem). And one last one, though not a big issue - the Zen UI is, in my opinion, wasteful of space and the default DPI setting (320 on Z008) is too high and can't be changed easily and flawlessly.
What does everybody else think? Anything to add or anything you don't agree with me about? Let's discuss.

Pros: stability, official firmware, cool and useful apps and a beautiful overall (at least I like it) .
Cons: battery sucks.. Really, it does.

Great battery life on the Z00A here. I get between 5.75-7 hours of sot with about a days use without airplane mode or data turned off.
Biggest con is that their keyboard is buggy and if I try to add in a missed word in a sentence it will add it to the end and can take a few times to get it to add into the right spot or if I try to delete a word it deletes the last word even though the cursor is behind the word it deleted. The word prediction while swiping is rather poor also.
I own a Xiaomi mi3w, oneplus two and the ZenFone 2.
Although I do like the oneplus two a little more but bang for the buck and weighing pros vs cons this is the best deal.
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For the moment I have two issues
first: I can´t share file by wifi-direct
two: the battery life.

mvp001 said:
For the moment I have two issues
first: I can´t share file by wifi-direct
two: the battery life.
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Battery Life Sucks!
Share files by download the app "WiFile Transfer", easiest thing in the world
Good Luck!

garciajo said:
Battery Life Sucks!
Share files by download the app "WiFile Transfer", easiest thing in the world
Good Luck!
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I don´t want a app Android SO can use this option. This option can use in Asus zenfone in another android SO version.

Pro's are it's pretty fast.
Cons.......Volume button back is really hard to use, Annoying bloat-wear, speaker volume, music player, delayed voicemails, MMS issues, dropped calls even with correct APN settings, and a few others.
Thoughts are hoping marshmallow can resolve the issues because the phone is really lacking.

My main concern is the outdated video driver. It will not run one of the tests in 3DMark, for example

Pros: The UI is good and fairly smooth.
Cons: Over time the UI slows down as the phone runs out of memory...
ASUS should focus on having a solid and updated backend instead of adding UI features.

Pros; cheaper than others
Cons; not that cheap. cheaply built. Build quality really is @%!&. various problems, ear receiver sound, gps and gyroscope, battey drains, over heating (while not charging), camera slow to take photos and HORRIBLE white balance, cant turn off shutter sound on Japanese kernel even though its a sim-free device X_X"
Repair takes forever and comes in worse shape than it was before.
Updating ASUS apps only makes the phone lag more.
at least I can disable most of the stuff and choose not to update it.
Android is still stuck on 5.0 WHY!?!?! 2016, Hellllloo~

major9686 said:
Pros; cheaper than others
Cons; not that cheap. cheaply built. Build quality really is @%!&. various problems, ear receiver sound, gps and gyroscope, battey drains, over heating (while not charging), camera slow to take photos and HORRIBLE white balance, cant turn off shutter sound on Japanese kernel even though its a sim-free device X_X"
Repair takes forever and comes in worse shape than it was before.
Updating ASUS apps only makes the phone lag more.
at least I can disable most of the stuff and choose not to update it.
Android is still stuck on 5.0 WHY!?!?! 2016, Hellllloo~
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The topic was more supposed to be about the software than the phone as a whole, but whatever, it's all good.
Regarding not being able to turn off the shutter sound with Japanese firmware, that's because that is the law in Japan - presumably to try and stop pervy guys from taking surreptitious snaps of schoolgirls and office ladies on trains. My gripe with the models sold in Japan is more the pricing - we get hiddeously ripped off, paying near double the US prices. That's why I got an imported model - sacrificing a few LTE bands is worth it for the saving (and the added bonus of no shutter sound). Personally have had no problems with build quality or overheating on mine - sure, it is not premium build materials, but satisfactory for the price paid.
I am fairly satisfied with the current firware (.136 on the Z008) and was having a few issues with CM13 which keep me from using it at the moment. The one big problem that I have with stock is still the RAM management and/or memory leaks. It soon drops to under 300MB free of the 2GB, and recently often falls to near 200MB and suffers noticeable lag and stuttering at that point. Never have that problem with CM, which always keeps plenty of RAM available and is very smooth. 1.7 GB of RAM occupied with nothing much actively running is piss poor.

Taking sleeping baby photos is also impossible
btw, not just pervs. they dont like u taking photos in shops, books, when there is an idol group or some other gathering etc.
beside, if I want to take a photo of a girl whats the problem to take it with the shutter sound ON ? I dont really care... I pop up in lots of people's photos - without giving consent ..
btw, it seems that because of the shutter sound the camera lags when taking a photo. both when saving to built-in memory and SD card... Also the Shutter animation is super annoying... have no idea what causes this delay ..
I also have problems with skype, only on this phone.
RAM issues -> my fault for choosing the lesser 2GB option ^^"
software/bloatware... lots on it.. some of them can be disabled but after several updates some lost that option.. for some odd reason.
also, sometimes updating asus apps makes the phone even slower, added useless features etc.
I'm now on a Factory Reset, disabled most of the apps, only use Gmail, Skype, Chrome... and tomorrow sends the phone to repair again (since last time I was told they couldnt find anything wrong, LOL => phone without a working ear receiver can't function as a phone. also, being weeks without a phone in this day and age is complete %^[email protected]^&! (2 weeks waiting due to holiday, 2 weeks repair, 1 week waiting due to their holiday, then probably another 2 weeks repair, over 1 month without a working phone) another reason to buy a japanese phone or something from a phone provider, you get a phone to use til its get repaired)
I had good experience with several used phones I got here (all Xperia)... for 50~100usd more I could have gotten a 2nd hand Z3 compact... STUPID ME for choosing Asus
kanagawaben said:
The topic was more supposed to be about the software than the phone as a whole, but whatever, it's all good.
Regarding not being able to turn off the shutter sound with Japanese firmware, that's because that is the law in Japan - presumably to try and stop pervy guys from taking surreptitious snaps of schoolgirls and office ladies on trains. My gripe with the models sold in Japan is more the pricing - we get hiddeously ripped off, paying near double the US prices. That's why I got an imported model - sacrificing a few LTE bands is worth it for the saving (and the added bonus of no shutter sound). Personally have had no problems with build quality or overheating on mine - sure, it is not premium build materials, but satisfactory for the price paid.
I am fairly satisfied with the current firware (.136 on the Z008) and was having a few issues with CM13 which keep me from using it at the moment. The one big problem that I have with stock is still the RAM management and/or memory leaks. It soon drops to under 300MB free of the 2GB, and recently often falls to near 200MB and suffers noticeable lag and stuttering at that point. Never have that problem with CM, which always keeps plenty of RAM available and is very smooth. 1.7 GB of RAM occupied with nothing much actively running is piss poor.
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If, like me, you have a 2GB model and have been running into problems due to poor RAM management - setting a 4 app background process limit under developer options' apps section has sorted the RAM management issues for me. Has its drawbacks of course, but personally I don't multitask much so I am ok with it. I now have much smoother use with generally around 750MB to 1GB of RAM available.

OUKITEL A58 - Information & Reviews - 1.61" IPS | MT2502C | Metal

OUKITEL A58
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Review
README: Being my first Smart Watch review, you might not expect a great review but...you only can say it
Introduction
This is the second SmartWatch released by OUKITEL, the A58. It is an huge upgrade compared to the previous A28, with a sharp IPS screen, excellent speaker quality and innovative UI.
It is powered by the common MT2502C CPU by Mediatek, this is the 2nd gen. of SmartWatch CPU that provides better performance and so on
Unboxing
The package contains basic accessories: 1x Charging Dock, 1x Micro-USB Cable, 1x Manual and the SmartWatch (of course)
Its charging dock feels pretty solid, but it isn't so friendly with the Metal Chassis, infact you will notice that i scratched the device near the power button. I recommend to add something soft that doesn't allow the chassis to be in direct contact with the plastic.
Design & Features
Unlike some other smartwatches, this comes with a Metal Chassis supported by a Plastic Back Cover. Also, it comes with a real-leather wrist, that in my case is Black, with Golden Chassis. I know, the color might not be appreciated by some users, but there is also a Silver version that looks pretty good, especially if you replace the leather wrist with a metal wrist.
On the right side there is the Power/Action Button, while on the back side there are the Charging Dock Pins and the Heartrate Sensor.
Its 1.61" IPS screen is just great, do not trust my photos because they look weird, but in real-life i can guarantee you that it is excellent. High-Brightness, Sharp and with Vivid Colors, probably the best small screen i have ever seen. Also, OUKITEL declares to use Sapphire Glass (you'll find a pre-installed plastic protector that i have removed), and it might be true (i can't be sure though) because i'm not able to see any scratch on the screen even after many days of usage. Well Done OUKITEL!
This doesn't mean that it is perfect, its high-brightness isn't battery-friendly. I can't reach more than 1 day and a half with a full charge. I don't know if this is normal or not, but others might prefer a larger battery. I plug my smartwatch every time i have access to the charging dock, basically every time i get back home, so this isn't a problem for me.
As regards the UI, there are many useful features such as Stopwatch, Pedometer, Calendar and many others. Just see my photos below to see all available features.
Even if there is a Pedometer & Sleep Monitor, they have to be activated in order to be used, it means that those features do not work as on Smart Bands where everything is automatically managed. I think this has been made to save battery, so yeah this is a nice idea, but for those for think to replace their Smart Bands it might be an issue.
There are some Clock UIs available that you can choose. Here you can see two of them, Analog & Digital. I'm using the Digital Clock because it is easier to read, and modern.
Notifications are handled through the Android's (or iOS depending on your device) app, and they work almost perfect, except Whatsapp Notification when you have multiple messages, because they get merged without having a list to access. Skype, Telegram and others work perfect though.
The Messaging app doesn't have any issue, you can read all the Device's messages and reply using quick-replies just like "I'll reply you later" or a simple smile "". You can't reply with your own messages, but it is still better than nothing.
As regards the Phone management, it works unexpectedly great. The Dialer is easy-to-use, and the Contacts app is smooth and manages to get also different numbers from the single contact (e.g. a contact with two numbers, mobile and work).
Also the Audio Quality while in-call is good, the Loudspeaker is so loud that the whole SmartBand almost vibrates just like a Subwoofer when there are low frequencies. Voice gets a bit distorted on maximum volume, but with medium volume it is just fine.
When it comes to Audio Quality using BT Music, then you can find the best quality even at maximum volume. Sincerely i'm impressed, it sounds even better than some Smartphone's Speaker. It can be used as a Mini Bluetooth Speaker, but only if you don't mind about battery life hehe.
The Heartbeat Sensor seems to work fine, i don't have another one that i can use to make a comparision, but it seems to be accurate enough and also pretty fast. It just needs 5-10 seconds to get calibrated.
Android App
This is where all Mediatek Smartwatches lose their quality. The Official App linked by OUKITEL in the A58's Manual is the "Fundo Wear" app but....on Android 6 it doesn't work. So i had to use the "Fundo SmartDevice" app that basically is the same app, provided by the same app publisher, but with less features. (no pedometer sync, no sleep monitor sync)
It has almost everything that you need to manage the SmartWatch though. Notifications can be choosen just by triggering the requested apps.
There is the Alert feature that allows you to set the maximum distance between the Device and the SmartWatch so that you won't lose it easily. Basically, it records the Bluetooth Signal Level, and based on this data it alerts you as soon it gets lower. That's a nice feature, but highly dependent on your Device's BT Antenna.
It is also required to Sync Contacts to the SmartWatch and everything else. The only features that you won't be able to manage are: Pedometer, Sleep Monitor and Heartrate. If you have an Android 5.1 device, then you can install the other app and manage also these features.
Conclusion
This device has an huge potential inside, and it is probably one of the best available SmartWatch without Android Wear, but OUKITEL should develop an ad-hoc Android App that would make it even better than how is it now without compatibility issues between different Android versions.
I can't find anything else negative, considering its low-price and high-quality materials, i can say that this is the best-buy unless you don't like its design. Recommended!
Pros:
High-Fidelity & Bright Screen
Great Sound Quality
Full of Sensors (Gesture, Heartrate...)
Sapphire Glass
Cheap
Cons:
Mediocre Battery Life
Low-Quality Android App
Available only with Leather Wrist
Rating: 8.5
Packaging and Accessories: 8
Design and Materials: 9
Performance & Usage: 8
Screen: 9
Sound: 9.5
Battery Life: 7
Price: 9
You can find full-res images (I know, Quality isn't excellent) here: http://imgur.com/a/0F0qk
Official Website: http://www.oukitel.com/products/a/a58-50.html
You can buy it on many online shops.​

Great review, for me being able to reply to notification through voice dictation is a must have.... I'm surprised that any watch realised in 2016 can't do it.
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gingerdude said:
Great review, for me being able to reply to notification through voice dictation is a must have.... I'm surprised that any watch realised in 2016 can't do it.
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There is Siri feature, that works with Google Now (Android) and Siri (Apple), so...this is a nice workaround to real voice dictation

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Hi. Do you still use this watch? What is your opinion now, after long time usage?
Do you find solution for Android 6?
What about battery life?

Lovetz said:
Hi. Do you still use this watch? What is your opinion now, after long time usage?
Do you find solution for Android 6?
What about battery life?
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I was using it till last week, and it still works fine.
On Android 6 you can only use the "Fundo SmartDevice" app.
Battery Life is still the same unfortunately, more than 1 day and a half doesn't last.

Alberto96 said:
On Android 6 you can only use the "Fundo SmartDevice app".
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Is it the same as Mediatek SmartDevice app?

Lovetz said:
Is it the same as Mediatek SmartDevice app?
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Yeah based on that app.

Error charging
After one week of usage it stoped charging. It says " error charging".

Fernando Franco said:
After one week of usage it stoped charging. It says " error charging".
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Retry many times, i recommend you to restore the device to factory settings because it is a firmware bug.

Alberto96 said:
I was using it till last week, and it still works fine.
On Android 6 you can only use the "Fundo SmartDevice" app.
Battery Life is still the same unfortunately, more than 1 day and a half doesn't last.
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Hi. I receive my watch today and try Fundo Wear from Google Play in my Xiaomi Redmi 3s with MIUI8 based in Android 6.0.1. And Fundo Wear works fine.

Oukitel a58
Alberto96 said:
I was using it till last week, and it still works fine.
On Android 6 you can only use the "Fundo SmartDevice" app.
Battery Life is still the same unfortunately, more than 1 day and a half doesn't last.
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Hi
Do you still have this smartwatch?
I bought one this xmas to offer my wife, but it doesn't look good... That battery just lasts 2/3 hours...
How do you charge it? on the computer? i've been using my smartphone charger of 5V and 1A... Have i ****ed the battery off?

RSGI said:
Hi
Do you still have this smartwatch?
I bought one this xmas to offer my wife, but it doesn't look good... That battery just lasts 2/3 hours...
How do you charge it? on the computer? i've been using my smartphone charger of 5V and 1A... Have i ****ed the battery off?
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Sure, i still have it. 2/3 hours is just impossible, are you sure that yours isn't faulty?
Any USB charger can charge it, even a 5V/3A is just fine, the Smartwatch will just use the correct current from the charger (that should be pretty low, less than 0.5A)

how long does your battety lasts if you keep the step counter ative/enabled all the time?

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how long does your battety lasts if you keep the step counter ative/enabled all the time?
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I don't keep it on, this isn't a sport watch, it isn't optimized for this usage.

How do i STOP calls coming through my watch? I disable Call Service & Phone from the all notification & system app. And tried different FunDo app's, nothing works!!

cagedtony said:
How do i STOP calls coming through my watch? I disable Call Service & Phone from the all notification & system app. And tried different FunDo app's, nothing works!!
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From your device, go to Bluetooth Settings, press on the "Gear" icon near the name of the watch, and uncheck the relevant option (Phone audio).