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Xoom sales numbers are tagged at 100k units. This numbers was generated by a Deutsche Bank analyst in early April. The number was reached by looking at the platform distribution number posted at the Android Developer website. According to Android Developer platform breakdown, March 15 - March 31 saw 0.2% of all devices accessing the Android Market app using honeycomb. Deutsche Bank guessed at 50 million android devices in the wild, and 0.2% of that number = 100k.
So let's check the veracity of this analysis.
Point 1: does anyone know how many android devices are actually being used on a daily basis? I've searched for but cannot find any concrete figure. Is 50 million correct? Who knows...it could be 75 million or it could be 25 mllion.
Point 2: wi-fi xoom went on sale March 27, and it sold better than the 3g. The UK, European, and Canadian 3g and wi-fi units were released in late march-early april timeframe. The data Deutsche Bank used to reach 100k did not include the lions share of the US wi-fi xoom sales, nor did it include the majority of non-US sales.
Point 3: sales numbers are a hot, important topic now because many investment analysts are motivated by MMI Q1 reporting, due on April 28. Don't think for a second that a bank analyst can be trusted. If Deutsche Bank wants to take a large position in MMI, it is silly to report solid sales and positively affect MMI's stock price. The "prudent" but unethical thing to do is create a reason for the stock price to drop, and then take a large position at the bottom value directly before earnings are reported.
Happens all the time. And don't think for a second that companies don't use sites like xda to spread FUD. Any user here should be considered "suspect" unless the user is a proven, bona-fide account and not a shill for an entity looking to profit from guerilla tactics.
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I'm not buying into the guesstimates provided by financial/investment firms. Especially if you don't know the firms motives, perhaps they trade Apple stock all day long..
It's all speculation until (if) Motorola releases hard numbers and the fact is, as competition comes out the price will likely be confirmed or drop slightly. Either way, buyers holding out for something will jump in and the tablet market will move.
250,000 units sold. Told ya!
I dunno about sales figures, but the first weekend it was out in Canada, I went to 4 best buys and 2 future shops in town to pick up a portfolio case.
in all 6 stores, the xoom section was BARREN. Nothing left. No xoom, no chargers, no cases, no screen protectors. In 3 cases I asked and the guy said they even sold the demos.....
androidlurker said:
250,000 units sold. Told ya!
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250K shipped, not sold.
who really cares about sales figures ...as long as your happy with your purchase
crxtasi said:
who really cares about sales figures ...as long as your happy with your purchase
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Word
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almostinsane said:
250K shipped, not sold.
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Yes sold. Motorola is not a consigment manufacturer. Which means when they ship, its because they sold the units.
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Unless you are a shareholder it doesn't really matter. The xoom is a great piece of hardware regardless of its lifetime sales totals
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who really cares about sales figures ...as long as your happy with your purchase
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Now if only they will provide us with the update so the SD card slot will work!. I hear the needed updates wont be ours untill late summer.
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Somebody paid for the 250k that are sitting on store shelves/warehouses.
The supply chain pays for the goods, after they are shipped Moto could careless where they actually reside.
so to get the actual figures of how many are in consumer hands they'd have to poll every retail chain?
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so to get the actual figures of how many are in consumer hands they'd have to poll every retail chain?
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Doubt it.
The device surely has a "phone home" or "check in" of some kind and Moto can tell how many have been turned on and connected. Likely the same way that the device checks for updates. Also, Google probably has a pretty good idea of how many there are out there, the device is linked to your account, so I assume that they also track a device ID/type.
Given it is possible there are a small handful of the devices out there that don't have a market account on them, or have never been put on line (VERY small handful), but the number is probably so small it wouldn't skew the numbers.
The reason why sales numbers are important to me - I am a shareholder and I have clients that are shareholders because of my recommendation to buy mmi.
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The reason why sales numbers are important to me - I am a shareholder and I have clients that are shareholders because of my recommendation to buy mmi.
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Wow, you recommend people buy MMI? How about RIMM too?
Yeah. They are clearly pissed at the 8% gain the stock made today. The only rimm recommendation I make is to buy puts. Or wait till it is in the low teens and buy it before it is acquired for its patent portfolio.
I also recommended armh and nvda last summer.
Yeah I have a lot of angry clients.
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Well ARMH is a great long hold. So is QCOM.
nubsors said:
Yes sold. Motorola is not a consigment manufacturer. Which means when they ship, its because they sold the units.
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In relation to this thread and its reasoning shipped figures are not relevant
After reading all the bad news yesterday about HTC (people leaving the company, articles about a "future without HTC", etc): I opened my dutch news app this morning when drinking my coffee and saw this:
http://www.nu.nl/gadgets/3481460/htc-one-vijf-miljoen-keer-verkocht.html
I expected to see an article about the Galaxy S4 being sold 10m times in the first month, but this nice dutch website preffered to focus on what HTC has done. Apparently, HTC has sold 5 million One's in "one month". So it has done 50% of what Samsung has done in the last month. And I guess that doesn't include what HTC has sold in March/April.
The weird thing is, I always read my twitter feed first. I have not seen a single report about this anywhere on Twitter. On the other side, NU.nl is a big and serious website here in the Netherlands.
What do you guys think? I am very happy to see this and it's far above my expectations. If this is true, HTC is not dying anytime soon!
Doesn't seem likely, as they had major production issues until late April.
I'm happy for them and hope they'll get through the rough time they are atm so they can continue making amazing phones!
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Doesn't seem likely, as they had major production issues until late April.
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its reported by the wall street journal quoting an official HTC exec (wsj needs subscription)
the news was just posted by Android Authority
so i would believe it
demanding outstripping supply, why is this so hard to believe?
you missed the fact which stated that it's most likely orders done by the shops and carriers, not to customers themselves. meaning they aren´t real sales yet
However, I do hope they all sell in the end anyway though. HTC deserves this, and beyond this as well. at the end of this month, which means soon enough, their capacity to create Ones will double from the amount right now. (if not already)
hamdir said:
its reported by the wall street journal quoting an official HTC exec (wsj needs subscription)
the news was just posted by Android Authority
so i would believe it
demanding outstripping supply, why is this so hard to believe?
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High demand with nothing to sell is still not a sale though, unless they are also including unfulfilled orders by their carrier partners and local stores~~ The phone has been launched in my country a whole month ago, and not a single store has more than 1 unit for sale at a time, with some stores getting 5 units per 3 days (that's on the high end) >.>
Making my 1-to-1 change for a faulty NFC chip all the more painful, as I'll have to wait 1-2 weeks for HTC to bring in stock ):
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you missed the fact which stated that it's most likely orders done by the shops and carriers, not to customers themselves. meaning they aren´t real sales yet
However, I do hope they all sell in the end anyway though. HTC deserves this, and beyond this as well. at the end of this month, which means soon enough, their capacity to create Ones will double from the amount right now. (if not already)
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I didn't miss it, though I forgot to mention it in the first post. I'm not sure about the 10m from Samsung either, are those sold or orders done by shops/carriers?
Either way, I was expecting this exact message but with a 1 instead of the 5 million. Even if it's just orders done by carriers/shops, it's far above my expectations!
And it's good HTC are doubling their production, it's indeed awfull they often have 1-2 units per store also in the Netherlands.
I think samsung is aiming the same, 10 million orders but not all of them sold; they're still in storage of retailers / carriers.
Also when i went for accessory shopping, I was told everytime that they didn't have any since they got such few phones (1 - 5 maybe a day). saying it was not worth it yet buying accessories for such a scarce phone. it affects a whole deal.
5 million since launch, not just the last month:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/23/4358378/htc-one-5-million-smartphone-sales
Very respectable number to be honest, sure Samsung has double that in less time but people wanted another S3 and well, thats basically what they got.
Learned people got the One and now word of how good it is, is spreading.
But HTC, why did you release the HTC First? /sigh
5 million Seems like a stretch actually... Supply is still a serious issue..... The unlocked versions in US have been in backorder status for the entire month.... HTC ONE launch has been delayed by over 1 month in most Asia countries....
If they are counting confirmed orders then 5 million may be accurate... But it's highly unlikely that 5 million have been sold already....
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amazing to see htc do so well after all the production delays!
i think this is the first time im hearing them declare how much they sold.
go htc go!!! brilliant stuff
When executives start BS'ing you know your company has issues.
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If they are counting confirmed orders then 5 million may be accurate... But it's highly unlikely that 5 million have been sold already....
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Well Samsung counts confirmed orders, and brags about those numbers. HTC would likely want to do the same in this case.
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i think if supplies are enough,it will surpass S4 sales.here in riyadh,One were sold out in two days in all carriers/online stores here..and we are not so lucky to get one..they told us stocks will be avail in 2 to 7 days ..just sayin
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When executives start BS'ing you know your company has issues.
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And how do you know they're BS'ing? Do you have your own sources within HTC, or are you just pulling stuff from the place where the sun don't shine?
For Samsung or HTC or any other vendor the important part is shipping them. They don't care if the units are sold to end users, warehouse or aliens. The sales figures are important and they start when they exit the production storage facility. From business point of view the numbers are quite accurate. 150+ operators all around the globe importing the phones, add also independent companies, import export business, BestBuy or Media Markt type of electronics mall bla bla bla.
Samsung, LG, HTC, Apple... They all trade stocks so sales figures are important. Especially when quarterly earning reports behind the doors. Once they sign an agreement, let's say with Vodafone, for 1,000,0000 units worldwide, that goes as 1,000,000 units sold to Vodafone in sales figures. When the end users get it is not their concern.
Well, probably not so many units in reality. Never seen a "One" besides on Champions League game )
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HTC One is selling good in Turkey aswell. I saw many people who doesn't even know HTC but after seeing review unit they are amazed by quality.
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For Samsung or HTC or any other vendor the important part is shipping them. They don't care if the units are sold to end users, warehouse or aliens. The sales figures are important and they start when they exit the production storage facility. From business point of view the numbers are quite accurate. 150+ operators all around the globe importing the phones, add also independent companies, import export business, BestBuy or Media Markt type of electronics mall bla bla bla.
Samsung, LG, HTC, Apple... They all trade stocks so sales figures are important. Especially when quarterly earning reports behind the doors. Once they sign an agreement, let's say with Vodafone, for 1,000,0000 units worldwide, that goes as 1,000,000 units sold to Vodafone in sales figures. When the end users get it is not their concern.
Well, probably not so many units in reality. Never seen a "One" besides on Champions League game )
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Exactly. HTC sells to the carriers so those are their sales numbers. They have already made their money.The carriers and other suppliers sell to us, and their numbers reflect that.
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Well Samsung counts confirmed orders, and brags about those numbers. HTC would likely want to do the same in this case.
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Samsung and the general industry counts what they have pushed through to their sales channels... That number may or may not sell but that is what gets reported... Which is why at times manufacturers take a hit on unsold inventory at a later point....remember blackberry tab?
It's possible that HTC managed to send 5 million devices through their sales channels as the article suggests... but looking at the acute supply issues that still exist this means that there are approx 5 million devices out in the wild in the hands of customers..... That appears unlikely as apart from UK and US its really not available easily anywhere....
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bnbasarir said:
For Samsung or HTC or any other vendor the important part is shipping them. They don't care if the units are sold to end users, warehouse or aliens. The sales figures are important and they start when they exit the production storage facility. From business point of view the numbers are quite accurate. 150+ operators all around the globe importing the phones, add also independent companies, import export business, BestBuy or Media Markt type of electronics mall bla bla bla.
Samsung, LG, HTC, Apple... They all trade stocks so sales figures are important. Especially when quarterly earning reports behind the doors. Once they sign an agreement, let's say with Vodafone, for 1,000,0000 units worldwide, that goes as 1,000,000 units sold to Vodafone in sales figures. When the end users get it is not their concern.
Well, probably not so many units in reality. Never seen a "One" besides on Champions League game )
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You are completely right. I would add thought that more of those 5 million units are in consumers hands then the 10 million from Samsung. HTC is pushing this phone out fast. Last one I got was made 6 days before it came into my hands. I would imagine there is a decent stockpile of S4 in some places where I do not think that is true of the ONE.
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Samsung and the general industry counts what they have pushed through to their sales channels... That number may or may not sell but that is what gets reported... Which is why at times manufacturers take a hit on unsold inventory at a later point....remember blackberry tab?
It's possible that HTC managed to send 5 million devices through their sales channels as the article suggests... but looking at the acute supply issues that still exist this means that there are approx 5 million devices out in the wild in the hands of customers..... That appears unlikely as apart from UK and US its really not available easily anywhere....
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So then where are these units. What warehouse are they hiding in? Why did some guy pay $800 on ebay for my ONE? No one has stock of the HTC ONE. There is no surplus anywhere that I have heard. I have only heard their are not enough to go around.
First, I really love this tablet, I had a nexus 10 that I dropped in my pool and bought the GN 2014 and IMO this tablet is much, much better than the nexus.
My Rant is about Samsung as company not providing good services and all the ancillary stuff that goes with a tech product of this caliber.
I'm trying to sign into my Samsung account on my pc and it's impossible to sign on. I tried to sign directly and the stupid web site ask if I want to sign through any of my Google, Facebook, windows live accounts. I selected Google and instead of letting me sign on it send me to a page requesting for me to sign with a Facebook account, I do not want to use my facebook account, I hate facebook and not interested on Samsung having that info, so as it stands I was not able to sign on.
At this moment still we don't have a manual or FAQ for the GN 2014, are you kidding me, I expend 600 dollars and there is no support for this tablet?
Claiming perks is a nightmare.
They are trying to get you into Samsung Hub to buy movies, books etc. but the quality and number of media offered is really sorry and poor selection.
If Samsung wants to become Apple biggest competitor they need to get their s...tuff in order and they need to improve their services
Frustrated new GN 2014 owner.
/end rant
Manual was out on launch day:
http://m.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/SM-P6000ZWVXAR
I don't defend Samsung, but I got my rewards email in 5 minutes. One more thing to add to your list is lack of accessories, especially cases.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
In my country we are (still) allowed to download the latest movies, series etc. from (Usenet) News-groups so most here will never use those features you describe.
On my Note 1 I was very happy to sign on to Samsungs site because it offered special versions of Apps that used the S-Pen when none were available on Google's Play store. I tried to do the same with my Note 2 several times but found they had upgraded the service to a useless, bloated site. Promisses of upcoming free software that never arrived. I now won't bother again and would gladly remove all related content from my device. Luckily we have gotten into a situation where the Note line products are (or will be) supported by many available Apps without the need for a Samsung account.
Are there any services (Netflix? etc.) available supporting HD content for Android to watch series or movies?
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Manual was out on launch day:
http://m.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/SM-P6000ZWVXAR
I don't defend Samsung, but I got my rewards email in 5 minutes. One more thing to add to your list is lack of accessories, especially cases.
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Umm... I didn't fully charge mine before using it for the first time. How bad is this?
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Manual was out on launch day:
http://m.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/SM-P6000ZWVXAR
I don't defend Samsung, but I got my rewards email in 5 minutes. One more thing to add to your list is lack of accessories, especially cases.
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Agreed on the accessories, how they cannot have cases available at launch is inexcusable. Cases can't possibly take longer to produce than the actual tablet.
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I am 5 days now and 4 live chats to get my perks. I am 1 day away from returning this and going back to ipad when the new model is released
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I am 5 days now and 4 live chats to get my perks. I am 1 day away from returning this and going back to ipad when the new model is released
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Samsung are terrible at this stuff, we can now buy this tablet from UK stores yet nothing was announced by Samsung - they're a joke when it comes to service.
So while our fellow neighbors downstairs are spamming their "Out Of Stock" ordering page, we can't even get to the page itself
I'm still not seeing the device being available on the Canadian Play Store. I have emailed google (.ca) and asked them about when it will be available to pre-order, and this is the response i got:
Thank you for contacting Google. It’s great to hear you are interested in the Nexus 6. We are excited to offer this popular new product on our store! I’m happy to help!
The Nexus 6 should be available on Google Play sometime today! I don't have any additional information at this time. I recommend to keep checking Google Play for updates! As soon as there is more information Google Play will be the first to be updated.
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I've heard reports from MobileSyrup saying a completely different story though... but I think they were referring more to the actual release date rather than the pre-ordering date.
Ah well, it's almost 11am PDT , which is the rumored time to pre-order (as it was for the Nexus 5).
*EDIT 10/06/2014
The Canadian URL has finally appear! "Coming soon"
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_6_64GB_Midnight_Blue?id=nexus_6_blue_64gb&hl=en
*EDIT 11/12/2014
According to MobileSyrup, the Nexus 6 should be available for pre-order by November 18th...another week to kill
Thanks for the info Mr. Shaded.
*EDIT 11/12/2014
Embargo has been lifted! Full device reviews are now available online!
PhoneArena / The Verge / Android Central / Engadget
Just to name a few
*EDIT 11/18/2014
Finally official pre-order date on the Canadian Google Play Store! Get your devices folks!
*EDIT 12/16/2014
Google starts shipping 32GB variants...still no word on 64GB Blue, is now officially late.
Hope thats true. I've been waiting for this thing for months now. I've had about all I can take with my N4. (1.5 Hours SOT on a good day...)
Just spam this page, I guess:
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_6_64GB_Midnight_Blue?id=nexus_6_blue_64gb
Although its pretty much confirmed that pre-order is in November for Canada:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2014/10/28/google-to-launch-canadian-nexus-6-pre-orders-in-early-november/
Soooooooo....... When? Any idea? Hint? Date and time?
First week on November is this week sooooo....
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I think they meant the first week entirely in November (2nd-8th), seeing as it's not likely to release on a weekend. Google Canada's nexus page still just says coming soon. As much as I'm hoping for a Monday release, things aren't looking good.
If its going to be the coming week I would bet on Wednesday. Not a big deal though considering the lucky ones that were able to preorder in the states won't see the devices ship to later November. I doubt Canadians won't see the device until December. Might even see a carrier (I believe telus is the only one to confirm) release it before they land in .ca. Either way I'm still pumped for the device.
I haven't been using my credit card just because I'm waiting for this phone to come out!!
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I've been trying to get ahold of Google, but so far I haven't gotten any reliable answers...starting to think even themselves don't know when they will release it for Canada
My next big bet would be this coming wednesday, because it seems like the following one (11/12/2014) is the shipping date for the US-based pre-orders from last week.
Telus and Rogers are both going to offer the Nexus 6, but neither has any idea on when.
Yea, I'm guessing Wednesday too... Base on the previous launch...
Can't remember for sure about the time... Was it around 2 EST?
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Really hoping Google can provide some details on this.
I was expecting Nexus 6 would have similar launches as Nexus 4 and 5. In anticipation, I sold my Nexus 5 and went back to the laggy Galaxy S 1.
Not sure how long I need to stay on it..
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Yea, I'm guessing Wednesday too... Base on the previous launch...
Can't remember for sure about the time... Was it around 2 EST?
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Based on the n5 it would be 2pm est
Lot's of US users reporting that Google has updated the page saying Stock comes every Wednesday, so seems like they will have stock tomorrow. Let's hope that some of that is allocated to Canada. That lines up with the Early November release. If not I think it will be the 12th
Based on this, I doubt we'll be seeing the Nexus 6 in Canada any time soon.
https://twitter.com/Motorola_CA/status/529660795228274688
Yes but this is from Motorola... Not from Google.
And there answer is more oriented toward regular customer who want to buy thing directly from a store...
I guess we'll see pretty soon!
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Indeed... I'm starting to think we won't see it anytime soon
If the US is struggling that much to get the demand up and running, I don't think they'll see Canada as a priority in their list.
Might as well keep checking every wednesday, starting to lose the point of checking daily lol.
At this rate, it looks like Rogers and Telus might have it before Google Play Store!
I understand your struggle!
Right now I'm relying on mobile syrup who's known for having good information and they believe that it will be release this week so..... Like I said b4.... Will see soon enough!
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Well I got the pushbullet notification that they're "available" again... Store page still says "Not available in your country". Starting to doubt that any Canadian is gonna see one before December at this point.
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Well I got the pushbullet notification that they're "available" again... Store page still says "Not available in your country". Starting to doubt that any Canadian is gonna see one before December at this point.
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Found a pushbullet notification for .ca. https://www.pushbullet.com/channel?tag=nexus-6-canada
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Found a pushbullet notification for .ca. https://www.pushbullet.com/channel?tag=nexus-6-canada
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Didn't even realize there was a Canada specific one! Thanks for the heads up
2:03.... Still no nexus...
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... production issues. Google hasn't been financially firing on all cylinders and the Nexus 6 snafu didn't help.
Google largely exited the business of making mobile phones when it sold its Motorola unit to Lenovo Group in October. But phones still caused trouble in Google's fourth-quarter financial results.
On a conference call late Thursday, Chief Financial Officer Patrick Pichette said supply problems with the company's new Nexus 6 smartphone dented Google's revenue. The Nexus 6 went on sale in November to good reviews. But Pichette said Google had "real issues" and could not get enough phones to meet demand. In early December, Nexus 6 supplies were running out online within hours, according to Android news website Android Authority.
Google has had supply problems with Nexus phones in the past, in part because of how and why it makes the gadgets..
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Ya don't say?
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Very informative!