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Aren't you afraid of not getting the updates in a reasonable amount of time?

I see we're all going crazy about the specs of the Xperia Z2, but no one here appears to be concerned about how slow sony is to roll out updates, Kitkat 4.4. was released on the 31th of October, and the Xperia Z1 , sony's current flagship still hasn't got it :/ ... 4 months after the release , they plan on delivering the update on April, 5 months, maybe 5 and a half months after 4.4 was really released and they're not making any promises of improving, what do you guys think?

That's definitely a concern of mine. Sony is worse than the major Android manufacturers (Motorola, HTC, Samsung, even LG is rolling out its Kitkat update) in terms of updates. One consolation is that Android updates aren't as big or crucial as they used to be since it is a pretty mature OS at this point, but I can't deny that I find Sony's update speed disappointing. I don't think it will stop me from getting the Z2, tho.

You have problems with 4.3?
It's incredible how people aren't satisfied, ever...
Wait and you'll get your KitKat...Sony is actually building their UI, it's not only cheap mask over Google framework - that's why they need time.
Wen you get KitKat you'll request another version...or you'll open thread to request root for kitkat...
Relax, you still have almost one whole year of support and everything will come and be released on time.
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I am not afraid.

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Chad_Petree said:
I see we're all going crazy about the specs of the Xperia Z2, but no one here appears to be concerned about how slow sony is to roll out updates, Kitkat 4.4. was released on the 31th of October, and the Xperia Z1 , sony's current flagship still hasn't got it :/ ... 4 months after the release , they plan on delivering the update on April, 5 months, maybe 5 and a half months after 4.4 was really released and they're not making any promises of improving, what do you guys think?
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Note On Flagships Support
It s so good If companies support their flagships for OS upgrade But there s no different between Sony or Samsung or ...
currently i m using Note3 on JB 4.3 however 4.4.2 for all variants released from Samsung But it s too slow.
If you want number of OS version you should buy nexus devices. that Google support them ~2 years (like Galaxy Nexus) with fast upgrade and release.
But If u r thinking about more functionality on ur smartphone u have to buy samsung, sony or ...
/*Companies don't think about u who bought a flagship 4-5 months ago.
*they think about who want to upgrade from old phone. so they release high-end phone every 6months to get markets. */

funky0308 said:
You have problems with 4.3?
It's incredible how people aren't satisfied, ever...
Wait and you'll get your KitKat...Sony is actually building their UI, it's not only cheap mask over Google framework - that's why they need time.
Wen you get KitKat you'll request another version...or you'll open thread to request root for kitkat...
Relax, you still have almost one whole year of support and everything will come and be released on time.
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Do you really think that getting the update 5 months later is acceptable? It's not like we're getting a new UI with sony's implementation of kitkat, we should actually , I don't understand why reasonably demanding for things, makes us a**holes, should we just keep quiet and be content with what companies give us? How do you think HTC and Motorola updated their game ? By listening the the users complain , they want our money? They'd better work for it!

Chad_Petree said:
Do you really think that getting the update 5 months later is acceptable? It's not like we're getting a new UI with sony's implementation of kitkat, we should actually , I don't understand why reasonably demanding for things, makes us a**holes, should we just keep quiet and be content with what companies give us? How do you think HTC and Motorola updated their game ? By listening the the users complain , they want our money? They'd better work for it!
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What are you really doing here - takes as is or leave it

I'm on a Nexus 5 and I love both pure Android and quicker updates. Unfortunately the lack of Hw specs (battery and microsd) will drive me to Z2 and its slowlier upgrades of sw.
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vittogn said:
I'm on a Nexus 5 and I love both pure Android and quicker updates. Unfortunately the lack of Hw specs (battery and microsd) will drive me to Z2 and its slowlier upgrades of sw.
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We're on similar situation , I can't stand the awful battery life of the nexus 5 , I don't miss the SD card at all since I have the 32 gb version and that's enough for me, what bothers me too is that the 16:9 photos are 6 MP, I would like 12-13 MP photos, I don't need 20 MP photos but I'm not complaining either Haha
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Some more thoughts on slower updates that might make your mind rest a little easier:
As someone else pointed out, if you take Samsung as an example, faster updates aren't always a good thing. Samsung devices are usually pretty well optimized for the version of Android they ship with, but when they update to a new major version of Android the performance can get substantially worse. I've noticed this with several Samsung devices. So giving a manufacturer the time to make sure everything works well on their hardware is a good thing. Keep in mind brand-new Android releases are often tailored to a subset of Android hardware in the latest Nexus devices, and hardware differences in other devices might take a while to perfect.
Also, new major versions of Android often have bad bugs. Look at Motorola who invested a lot of effort into getting 4.4 on the Moto X very soon after it was released. Unfortunately 4.4 had several major bugs including broken Exchange support! Moto X owners who upgraded were stuck with broken devices until Moto released 4.4.2 months later. So it is also good to wait for at least a couple of point releases before a manufacturer commits to a new version of Android.
Nexus devices don't have these issues because they can just keep releasing new updates quickly, but if a manufacturer's customized Android actually offers valuable improvements (which I think Sony's does) it makes sense to take a little longer.
I still wish Sony were faster, tho

I'm a bit worried. I honestly Sony would concentrate on one flagship per year, like everyone else. I'm on an XZ and am sick of trying to keep up. I'm considering my next phone now, but I can't say if the z2 is a slam dunk now. I do like the sound of the speakers though...

I've used Sony (Ericsson) phones for years. Late updates are a condition you either live with or jump ship. Sony has always been notoriously late with update releases.
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Personally not worried about getting updates late but a bit worried about not getting updates at all after a while & becoming abandoned
I mean Samsung is releasing Kitkat for GS3 which is a device from may 2012, Not sure if it's the same with Sony specially with their two flagship a year strategy

I'm not. If there is not a disturbing bug in Z2, I still use it. If the new feature that roll out from Sony and Google with an update is not necessary and attracting to me,I don't change my phone to other brand.

Who cares what OS version you got? Unless there is a bug or something, I don't care if I ever get any updates. I would even prefer the older version now since they messed up the notification screen.

To be honest, Jellybean is stable enough so that we don't necesarily "need" further updates. I'm "suck" on 4.1.2 on my optimus g and don't really mind at all(And yes, LG is worse at abandoning their flagships). Got kit kat on my nexus 7 and don't really see much difference. I miss the great sony UI though. Still torn between this phone and the z1.

I buy phone - start to see if everything works - root - flash custom rom. Never worries about updates.
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And tell me what features of 4.4 you so desperately need having just 4.3 ? I understand the importance of an update, but on the other and I think people exaggerate the need for them a lot...
So to answer the question - no, i'm not afraid. Frankly speaking, I don't really care, as long as it won't take a year or so.

Akiainavas said:
And tell me what features of 4.4 you so desperately need having just 4.3 ?
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A pretty major update in 4.4 for devices with on-screen buttons, like the Xperia series, is "immersive mode" (http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...go-truly-full-screen-hide-the-navigation-bar/). There are other nice updates, and maybe that one doesn't interest you, but to me it's a big deal. You never know when Google is going to throw a great new feature like that in.

augie7107 said:
I've used Sony (Ericsson) phones for years. Late updates are a condition you either live with or jump ship. Sony has always been notoriously late with update releases.
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What? Worse than Samsung?
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Will LG give us the Android M or any more update?!

Hi, i brought this device some weeks ago and i feel this is very capable device i ever see...i love LG, but i know it not famous for update theyr devices, have the G2 Mini and i see i never get Lollipop on it, (L90 have it already so, i think is a question of age of devices!) so, LG G3 are around by almost 1 year...
Google I/O is on May 28th...will be presentate the Android 6 (M&M's, Mars, Marshmallows...whatever!!) (i think they shoukd go for android 5.2/5.5 or something like that because 4.0 have so many variations of updates on same number but Lollipop have only 2 or 3 i dont know how!)
so, the SDK of Android M will be around i think November/December for the brands (LG, Sony etc...), im here to know from U guy's: You think LG will give us the Android 6 for the G3 or not?
What we can expect from the update (or not)? i know, S801 is kind older SoC, S800 too but is very capable SoC...maybe more than S810 or S808 in LG G4 but...brands have to sell thoose too!

My bet it's that we will 100% get it.

dorwoo said:
My bet it's that we will 100% get it.
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Much later than G4 and i think we will get only 1 update.....
1st let hope we get 5.1 with 4.0 UX!

long wait
I think we will get update about 2016/end
we are no more LG's flagship QQ

I don't think we will ever get android m. CM will do it for us probably.
We are getting 5.1 for sure. Lets hope it's with 4.0 interface.

I don't think LG will give us Android M quickly, same thing happened to G2. It got lollipop about a month ago.
Personally I don't really like LG's user interface so I would be OK with CM

pikachukaki said:
Much later than G4 and i think we will get only 1 update.....
1st let hope we get 5.1 with 4.0 UX!
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i dont think was too later, 2/3 months yeah but more is no sense from LG, G3 is even better than G4 so...LG have to do it right in G3 and dont be stupid like he did in G2...LG have to listen theyr customers!
I dont mind about UX 4.0, i like the official on 5.0 right now, but i notice some color adjustment on icons and other elements from G4 so...if we get it too is better than nothing!

we will get 5.1 for sure and about Android M i think it will get the android M because g3 have an very good hardware specially the 3GB of ram and android always need Ram

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i dont think was too later, 2/3 months yeah but more is no sense from LG, G3 is even better than G4 so...LG have to do it right in G3 and dont be stupid like he did in G2...LG have to listen theyr customers!
I dont mind about UX 4.0, i like the official on 5.0 right now, but i notice some color adjustment on icons and other elements from G4 so...if we get it too is better than nothing!
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Im dont want it only for the interface but the optimisation behind the UI!!!

hmm.. I'm sure we will get the Android M update. :fingers-crossed:

I don't really like LG's user interface so I would be OK with CM

sseuorosal said:
I don't really like LG's user interface so I would be OK with CM
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i dont blame people for dont like LG UI but...i dont mind why?! i mean, i have Sony, Huawei and other's and i dont understand theyr UI's...so complicated, icons doesnt match with the original theme! (for saying, i sell my Z Ultra, exelent phone with exelent specs only because that ugly icon set and other crazy and doesnt match things (and now is even worst because they put the lollipop vannila style on quicksettings)! For me LG have the best and more complete icons/menu's etc i ever see and i like it a lot now, in 2012 with my LG 4X HD i dont like it on that phone, but now with my G2 Mini i have the xposed moldure called G2 Tweakbox and twerak some things in quicksettings and navbar and are perfect.
G3 with 5.0 have the best UI i ever see...but the icons on G4 is even better looking...

They will give you updates for 2 years

I hope so because Android M is potentially gonna have a "Multi-Window" feature which will probably be better/more stable than LGs laggy implementation.

[Rumour] No Nougat (7.0/7.1) update for g4 AND V10

Korean news; A Korean consumers' group criticized a recent LG's decision of abandoning Nougat update for G4 and V10. LG's reason being is; Because of the aging device's stability and reliability, LG decided not to offer Android 7.0/7.1 update.
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luiferulz said:
Korean news; A Korean consumers' group criticized a recent LG's decision of abandoning Nougat update for G4 and V10. LG's reason being is; Because of the aging device's stability and reliability, LG decided not to offer Android 7.0/7.1 update.
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That isn't official. Official is from LG directly.

This is so far away from official like seeing flying pigs.. Could be true or not.
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Just think about it. Do you really think that LG will say officaly: "NO NOUGAT UPDATE FOR OUR 1.5 YEARS OLD PHONE". It would be a really good advertisement for them! Lets be critical. It's the same like if they said: Buy our current flagship - G6 and you will get terrible support, bad build quality, bootloop problem after a year, you will loose all your date when we change phones motherboard, you will wait many days and finally you will probably stuck on 7.1.1 forever. It's almost on 100% that LG G4 won't get Nougat update. All what they need is to sell new models. That is what keeps them alive. Building a new system for almost 2 years old phone is nonsense, it is, it cost money. We need to earn money, not spend money. If you want Nougat, buy LG G5 or get G6. Thats it. But many people will buy from another phone manofacturer next time after this. LG is digging it's own grave for a long time.

We barely started March dude... If you had any Asus you'd see what's slow. Just wait and if they don't deliver too bad. The phone is not that bad as it is since it's a terrible chip

Wow LG seems like they really don't like the G4 considering they are leaving it on the same Android version as it's predecessor G3. I bought this phone as a budget alternative to buying the galaxy A5 2016 .... At least the LG G4 has good custom ROM support so I'll just install lineage os if LG really decides to ditch this phone. But I'm still disappointed to see this phone only get one update in its lifetime.
Edit : *only one major update
Also: even comparing LG to other companies like Sony... Their whole z5 series including z5, premium and compact just got the 7.0 update

luiferulz said:
Korean news; A Korean consumers' group criticized a recent LG's decision of abandoning Nougat update for G4 and V10. LG's reason being is; Because of the aging device's stability and reliability, LG decided not to offer Android 7.0/7.1 update.
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Until it's not from official LG sources, readable on their homepage or blog, i would say it's not official. It's just guessing...

Official??? you are crazy
https://support.t-mobile.com/community/phones-tablets-devices/software-updates#tmoSUPDocTitle
LG V10 is already confirmed by T-mobile.
About the LG G4, no official info ... do not believe in support that often does not have communication with the development team

braulio_holtz said:
Official??? you are crazy
https://support.t-mobile.com/community/phones-tablets-devices/software-updates#tmoSUPDocTitle
LG V10 is already confirmed by T-mobile.
About the LG G4, no official info ... do not believe in support that often does not have communication with the development team
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So you're going to trust a carrier over the manufacturer?
The official line seems to be that the Nougat update for the G4 and V10 was abandoned as it wasn't stable enough for release. If you choose to believe any other source then I'm afraid you're set to be disappointed.
It's time to move on.

i imagine this on a balance.. one side how much they would spent on 7.0 development vs the other people moving away from LG.
what a re you toughts do they loose more money at developing a g4 that should be able to handle 7.0 asn the nexus 5x has nougat.
or all the people that will get angry and dissapointed. as we still in the 2 year update cycle.??

Let's make dozens of topics with the same posts. It is not over until the fat lady sings. Let's suffocate this topic, LG deserves it. Wait, only users that actually look for useful information will find it difficult with all these topics. Just my 2 (euro) cents.

tmihai20 said:
Let's make dozens of topics with the same posts. It is not over until the fat lady sings. Let's suffocate this topic, LG deserves it. Wait, only users that actually look for useful information will find it difficult with all these topics. Just my 2 (euro) cents.
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Agree

F u c k i n g b a s t a r d s !

I`m so sick of LG`s ****:
My LG G2 display not responding so I got LG G4 instead of buying a new display for LG G2
My LG G4 problems:
1. the BOOTLOOP
2. display burn in (ghosting)
3. battery after 10% phone dies
4. mobile data on and no signal = phone goes crazy touches all over the screen
5. the plastic back falls
6. and now no update for Nougat? wtf. LG?
The LG G6? I love it but after my history whit LG i`m so so so disappointed
sorry for the unorthodox words....

I must say I don't care much about 7.0/7.1. The g4 is working perfectly for me. What killer features would 7 bring? The upgrade to 6 did not bring many noticable improvements imho.

mulperi said:
I must say I don't care much about 7.0/7.1. The g4 is working perfectly for me. What killer features would 7 bring? The upgrade to 6 did not bring many noticable improvements imho.
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if 7.0 brings :
better battery life time
option to lower the resolution
magic focus
better ui
lower dpi
better cpu management to turn of the cores in idle
etc...

neobdium said:
if 7.0 brings :
better battery life time
option to lower the resolution
magic focus
better ui
lower dpi
better cpu management to turn of the cores in idle
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The most important thing is improved Doze mode and Vulkan support.

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The most important thing is improved Doze mode and Vulkan support.
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its not our fault they f*** with bootloops. and it still in update cycle. and lame excuse about not beign optimized.. my nuts.

Shall we make a petition??? I dont know will it work or not.
The same thing also happened with my previous phone Xperia SP where they promised kitkat update but later abandoned it. So we (Xperia SP members) filled a petition but unfortunately I didnt change anything.

it looks like a prank to me. Of course you will all bite.
a new xda member just made his 1st post and its about lg never update to nougat ? lmao....
i could do the same anytime just as a prank. pranks exist because people that like pranks exist.
i had too much fun reading it
+1 to the guy that had the idea !

Are we getting Android P?

It is a pity that this question should even be asked even though the V20 is less than 2 years old.
Normally the phone should get 2 major software updates in 2 years. However, since we do not have android oreo yet, one begins to wonder. It will be very nice to have android P though.
Pixel and adroid one phones are looking interesting to me nowadays just because of software updates.
What do you guys think?

Android P is just a preview. We do not know anything about Android P update policies for LG devices.

The chances for an official Andriod P is 50/50 . They may just give up given how poorly this phone sold. But it will definitely meet the minimum requirements for it. But through Roms /LOS we might get 2 major updates and if we're lucky 3.

Like xda member wrote its 50/50. But by the time the v20 gets it you're probably going to have another phone lol

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Like xda member wrote its 50/50. But by the time the v20 gets it you're probably going to have another phone lol
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That preety much sums it up if the updates arent in sync with the OS release, then eventually youll out grow your phone for a better one.

im stil on 7.0 lol at this rate i;ll be on V60 by the time my v20 gets upgraded if at all.

Ak7J4 said:
The chances for an official Andriod P is 50/50 . They may just give up given how poorly this phone sold. But it will definitely meet the minimum requirements for it. But through Roms /LOS we might get 2 major updates and if we're lucky 3.
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When it comes to ROM, I guess it depends more on developers than the hardware. The Galaxy S3 is 6 years old by now, and developers are still working on Oreo for it.

phamanhvu01 said:
When it comes to ROM, I guess it depends more on developers than the hardware. The Galaxy S3 is 6 years old by now, and developers are still working on Oreo for it.
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True the S3 is still getting support but the S3 had significantly higher sales than the V20 , and possibly more devs

Nope

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LG Freaking Pathetic

I would never have believe a company the size of LG would let their smartphone business become so pathetic. My backup phone is an Essential PH-1 which is now two years old, first released May '17, and as of this AM I'm rocking Q Beta3 on a TWO YEAR old phone while LG hasn't even managed to get a supposed FLAGSHIP device (v35), released May '18, to Android Pie.
Who the F******* is running LG????????????????????????????????? What a joke!!!!!!!!!!!
Just unlock the bootloader and let the XDA community handle your business LG 'cause you obviously can't.

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hooutoo said:
I would never have believe a company the size of LG would let their smartphone business become so pathetic. My backup phone is an Essential PH-1 which is now two years old, first released May '17, and as of this AM I'm rocking Q Beta3 on a TWO YEAR old phone while LG hasn't even managed to get a supposed FLAGSHIP device (v35), released May '18, to Android Pie.
Who the F******* is running LG????????????????????????????????? What a joke!!!!!!!!!!!
Just unlock the bootloader and let the XDA community handle your business LG 'cause you obviously can't.
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LOLOLOL you should post this on LG site so they could see it and wise the hell up... they suck big time

When i was going to buy my v30 i was so excited to have a wonderful phone. But then i understand that lg is very bad at software updates. Still luv my v30. I've rooted my v30 and can do whatever I want

jayshamar123 said:
LOLOLOL you should post this on LG site so they could see it and wise the hell up... they suck big time
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Give me the site and I'll post it! This is a F********g joke. If we had an unlocked boot loader we could just about skip Pie altogether.

True!! They are just making phones and ****ting on the users...sloowwwwww ass updates.. look it's the g7! .no look it's the g8! ..no look it's the v40! No it's the v50! I'll use my v35 as a door stopper soon. Lol...

jayshamar123 said:
True!! They are just making phones and ****ting on the users...sloowwwwww ass updates.. look it's the g7! .no look it's the g8! ..no look it's the v40! No it's the v50! I'll use my v35 as a door stopper soon. Lol...
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LG does make great phones -- great hardware, great features. The V30+ (128GB internal memory) especially was the best phone of 2017... They are just terrible at Android OS updates.
On the V30, they HAVE to give Android security updates at least every 3 months for 3 years. And they have pretty much done that.
And they HAVE to give all V30 variants PIE (also in the same agreement), but there was no date requirements on THAT.
V35 didn't have those promises in writing like the V30 did...

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LG does make great phones -- great hardware, great features. The V30+ (128GB internal memory) especially was the best phone of 2017... They are just terrible at Android OS updates.
On the V30, they HAVE to give Android security updates at least every 3 months for 3 years. And they have pretty much done that.
And they HAVE to give all V30 variants PIE (also in the same agreement), but there was no date requirements on THAT.
V35 didn't have those promises in writing like the V30 did...
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Here's another F******g joke, turns out only the Korean model G8 is able to flash Q Beta3 according to post on the XDA G8 forum.

Send it to lg ..i just sent them some advice that was similar to this ..unlock the bootloader