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Removing Bloatware

Due to the fact that I can't directly reply to the thread that was created because I don't have enough posts, I'm posting here looking for an answer.
I followed the advice in this post. The only difference is that I used Super Manager instead of Root Explorer to delete the files from /system/app/.
Here is the odd part, after finishing I rebooted and when I powered back up and checked my available memory, it didn't change at all. Naturally I went back in with Super Manager and checked for the files and they are not there. I also looked with Astro File Manager and the files were not in /system/app/. I don't understand that if I deleted the files, why didn't my available memory increase? That is the whole reason I removed.
Thanks,

Why do you need more space in system folder?...
Go in data folder and check dalvick and data folders for leftovers.
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Removing the so-called "bloatware" won't free up app storage space.
The tablet uses different partitions to store different things. System applications are stored on a different partition than user-installed apps. They each have their own space, indepentantly of each other.

When I started this exercise in removing the "bloatware" from my S7, I had a little over 85 MB free from the 175 MB available. After removing the "bloatware" I didn't see a change. Over the weekend, I removed the battery from my S7 to check the version number. After starting the S7 again, I check the memory and I now have 101 MB free. The only change was to remove the "bloatware". After installing two more apps on the tablet and moving the .apk file to my Link2SD partition on the internal SD card, I now have 98.97 MB of available space.
For the other post about removing the cache, I just ran cachemate and now I have 105 MB of available space.
Removing the "bloatware" does have an effect on the available memory.
While I did restart my S7 after removing the "bloatware", I didn't remove the battery. I don't know what I had the difference, but by completely removing the battery I saw that I had more space available after removing the "bloatware".

Couldn't have been. All of the apps you deleted reside in /system/app. That's on a completely separate partition from /data.
/data is where apps you install from Market go. It's also the space listed under "Internal Tablet Storage".
/system is where the system core files (and any pre-bundled apps) reside. There is no way to see the space free/used without going into a root terminal and running "df -h"
There is no way deleting system applications freed any sort of space on your /data partition.
It would be like if you had two hard drives in your computer, labled C:\ and D:\. Why would deleting files from C:\ free space on D:\? It's the same concept.

Ok. I understand what you are saying. However, I'm just reporting what I see when I look under:
Internal Tablet Storage
Total Space = 175 MB
Available Space = 100 MB
After removing the .apk "bloatware" files from /system/apps the available space increased.

tedkitch said:
Ok. I understand what you are saying. However, I'm just reporting what I see when I look under:
Internal Tablet Storage
Total Space = 175 MB
Available Space = 100 MB
After removing the .apk "bloatware" files from /system/apps the available space increased.
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he's just being hostile and doesn't understand...
the bloatware resides in /system... now some of those files are Maps.apk which is an outdated version, and when you update it to the newest version from the market it installs to /data...
now...
it says it is updated, but we still have the outdated version which is still in /system taking up INTERNAL space. removing that apk from within /system and rebooting will add that much more space to your internal and the maps will still be installed because they are updated and installed to /data.
if you want to be so high and mighty, think before you talk.

also... data is installed internally, hence why we have the a2sd or links2sd method.

joenilan said:
it says it is updated, but we still have the outdated version which is still in /system taking up INTERNAL space. removing that apk from within /system and rebooting will add that much more space to your internal and the maps will still be installed because they are updated and installed to /data.
if you want to be so high and mighty, think before you talk.
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I think you need to think before you talk.
Space on /system is not (normally) accessible to the user to use for storage of any kind. It's reserved solely for the OS' system files to be stored.
I think this is where you all are getting confused. Yes, the entire storage (including the internal storage) is all on the same flash ROM chip. But, it's not all contiguous space. It's broken up into partitions, and changes you make to a single partition does not affect any of the other partitions.
I'm not TRYING to be hostile, and I understand more than you think I do. I understand the underlying Android OS' mounts, whereas it seems you do not.
If you had said "removing these apps keeps them from running and using up CPU cycles and ram" I wouldn't have an issue with it. But, saying they free up space for the user to install apps to is just plain wrong.

My /system is full, why & how to fix?

Using SystemPanel Lite, I noticed my phone only has 196KB out of 258.3MB free in /system. Yikes. I am running EC05 and rooted (one.click.root.exploitv2.5.5) but the only rooted app I've installed is wireless tether. This seems really bad to me but maybe its not as /data & /cache seem to have plenty of room. Suggestions would be appreciated, thanks.

Go to the market and download App 2 Sd Free

I think that app only affects /cache and /data - I have plenty of space free there as I move my larger apps to sd card already. /system is unaffected by moving apps to sd, and clearing cache did not change anything either.

Start deleting the bloateare that you don't want. The phone came preloaded with way to much junk. That will free up your system partition.
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Mine is the same way. /System is 99% full. This is pretty much stock-rooted EC05 with only a few apps installed.

Your /system will NEVER run out of room because it's a read-only section of the device (aka where the OS runs off of). No apps, data, settings, etc are ever written to it. The average user will never personally edit the system files themselves.
If you want to free up pointless space flash a ROM that has bloatware removed.

I ran into that problem while trying to update my hosts file. yoju can delete the asphalt demo program which is 5mb, and you'll have enough free space to do what you may need. Funny though, delete a 5mb program, and have a little over 4mb free. Lol
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like arashed said, it was designed to be full... you dont really need room unless you are modifying something on it.. if so remove something else. its a system partition, apps belong on the data partition, or the sdcard..

Memory Help

Ok I had memory issues when I went from the Backflip to the Flipside. But thankfully links2sd made a huge difference and i was able to get all the apps I wanted using that nifty little app. Now however after this update I can't even get half the apps I had on 2.1, and that is with using Links2sd. I've tried getting rid of ATT bloatware, moving some apps to systems apps, and clearing davlik cache using Titanium Backup but it only does so much. Anyone have any solutions to get more internal storage or a better way to get apps onto the SD card because this is making the update almost not worth it...and what's worse is that we cant even revert back to 2.1 without bricking the phone....sad day!

I'm having pretty much the same issues, but I'm wondering how you moved apps to the system apps? This would be helpful to me.

How much internal memory do you have free? I have about 45mb which is less then half of what I had before the update. Im not sure what is taking up the memory. Ive removed what I can and feel is safe with Ti Backup and moved my apps with Link2SD to my SD card.

boazjuggalo said:
I'm having pretty much the same issues, but I'm wondering how you moved apps to the system apps? This would be helpful to me.
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This is done via titanium backup. Long press on the app and the menu gives you the option to convert to sys app.

pre4speed said:
This is done via titanium backup. Long press on the app and the menu gives you the option to convert to sys app.
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Yea that's how I moved it to system.
And I have about 20MB after moving a few apps and moving some to system....ugh this is frustrating

I have my wife's phone running on 60mgs free...

HiloDB1 said:
How much internal memory do you have free? I have about 45mb which is less then half of what I had before the update. Im not sure what is taking up the memory. Ive removed what I can and feel is safe with Ti Backup and moved my apps with Link2SD to my SD card.
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I have 2 or 3 apps installed (Facebook and whatnot) and I have roughly 32mb after clearing davick (or whatever it's called)

telegraph0000 said:
I have my wife's phone running on 60mgs free...
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Really, how? How many apps do you have? I have about 17 apps

JBallin4life27 said:
Really, how? How many apps do you have? I have about 17 apps
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Just basics
Adfree
Adobe flash
Adobe reader
Adwlauncher
Fruit ninja
Pandora
Jorte
Jw reader
Lik2sd
Maps
Market
Palmary weatherb pro
Pure messenger widget
Quick boot
Titanium backup
I also added opera, and that brought it down to 50megs
Tadaaaaaa.....

Hey, I just posted the SBF in the Flipside Android Development part of the forum and I flashed that and it appears that this version of 2.2.2 runs better with links2sd and has significantly made a difference in freeing up memory. I'm gonna play around with it some more but it appears to have links2sd running as well as it did when I had 2.1. Some of you may want to consider backing up and reflashing the update. Just something to consider. I'll post an update again soon after I play around with it a bit.

Do you know how much space was available on /data when you fresh flashed it?
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So, I ended up breaking something, as usual, and had to reflash, so I used the fresh 2.2 sbf. Turns out there's roughly 74mb free on /data when you first flash, although that quickly drops as the system apps (maps, market, and flash offhand) are brought up to date.

You're right!!!
My wife's phone is down to 55 megs!!!

Sorry, I meant to post again after my last post but my phone kept freezing on the red Moto screen everytime I flashed the update and I took my phone back to AT&T 3 times this past weekend only to find out it was my SD card causing the problems. Just FYI if you partition your SD card to use link2sd make sure your second partition is set as primary otherwise the 2.2 Froyo update will completely shutdown as soon as you put your card in and will not let you do ANYTHING!
That being said, you definitely have better memory after flashing the SBF as opposed to the other methods i've tried for the update. I was able to install almost all the apps and games I had previously (some I didn't add just cuz I hadn't been using em). Everything runs smoother for me and I havent had any freezing or anything. Hope this update is running well for you guys

I'm reluctant to move many things over to system apps, personally... Don't forget that link2sd won't link the dalvik-cache of system apps, so you'd actually have more free space in /data by leaving it as a user app and just linking app/dalvik/lib. I'm at roughly 95mb free currently, with a pretty reasonable amount of stuff installed, so I'm much happier now.
Another space-saving trick I've found: Titanium Backup has a folder in /data that it uses as a temp file storage, any time you restore a backup it moves the .apk over there then installs it. It's located at /data/data/com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup/files, and also contains busybox, sqlite3, and your license file. If you're restoring a backup of a large app, this means you need a pretty large amount of space free to do so, which can be difficult on our phones. You can move this folder over to the second sd card partition that link2sd uses and symlink it without problems. Here's a (probably ugly) method:
Code:
cd /data/sdext2
mkdir tbfiles
cp /data/data/com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup/files/* ./tbfiles
rm -Rf /data/data/com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup/files
ln -s /data/sdext2/tbfiles /data/data/com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup/files

Actually....
If you have auto-link on... and move it to system with tibu... it will link the cache...
Why are you linking lib files... when you reboot... they go back to internal... you'll have memory issues at reboot that way...
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The file I manually link isn't a lib, or at least it doesn't get linked by Link2SD when you link TitaniumBackup's libs. The link stays through a reboot and hasn't caused me any issues so far, it just makes less free space required to restore backups.
As for linking libs in general, while they do tend to get unlinked on reboot, I have plenty of free space to let them exist in /data, and the newest Link2SD has a one-touch option to relink them all again to recover that space. It's not an issue unless you're linking libs and also filling your /data partition near the max.

How to re-size /system partition?

So I'm trying to get BB Apps on my OP2, So far I have the KB, Hub, Launcher, Camera, This requires me to put files in the /system partition, it's currently 2.72 GB filled out of the 2.72 GB.
I'm rooted, unlocked obv, running the stock rom.
Is there anyway I can resize the partition?

easy
Of course you have ways to resize any partition on your PC.
You can resize it using your disk management but only when there is unallocated space adjacent to the partition you want to resize. If there is no unallcated space next to the partition, theoretically, you can not complete this action. Because the function of "Extend Volume" is grayed out. Then you can generate one unallocated space from other partitions. However, you are unable to move that unallocated space because Windows built-in disk management has no function of "Move Partition".
But don't be sad. You can turn to a 3rd-party software to perform this task. Many free hardware(according to your computer's type) can be searched on the website. For example, Partition Assistant, released by AOMEI Tech, has free edition(Standard, for home and commercial use) and paid edition(Professional, Server, for business use).
Banterlel, If it is your personal computer, I suggest you use free version, because it is totally enough.

He's taking about repartitioning the phones internal storage and not the PC:s. However just as you've pointed out, there has to be free space adjacent to the partition you want to make bigger, which in the case of this phone would require to delete the data partition, resize the system partition and it's file system and then re-create the data partition (which means losing all user data/factory restore). Also there might be other consequences by doing this.
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God dangit. Well I'll just enjoy the other apps :/ so long DTEK by Blackberry.
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Why don't your delete Google apps that can be downloaded from playstore (almost every app)
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Nono..only system apps are stored in the /system partition. The gapps are located in the data folder or somewhere else, definitely not the system folder tho.
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banterlel said:
Nono..only system apps are stored in the /system partition. The gapps are located in the data folder or somewhere else, definitely not the system folder tho.
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Not unless you remove them and reinstall. All stock roms and gapps packages install them to system partition

Will do that, thanks a lot, problem solved!
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banterlel said:
Will do that, thanks a lot, problem solved!
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Next time flash a smaller GApps package. The GApps package installs all google apps to the system partition. This saves space on the internal storage (data partition). If you flash a smaller GApps package, you can install the other google apps (excluded from the GApps package) separately through the play store onto the internal storage and saves space on system.

Stock rom bro
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Really dangerous operation, you can use in recovery with adb, parted.
I don't recommand you to try it. Send me the Package you want to merge with the main ROM

Very little space left in system rom! - How to clear space?

In titainium backup, it shows 150mb free of 2.60 gb in system rom.
I've just rooted the stock oxygen os 3.1.0.
Is it because stock 3.1.0 file zip is 1.1gb big?
Or is it because of the google apps?
Also, how should I clean stuff for more space?
I feel the nandroid backup I've created (2.5gb) is in the system partition but this makes no sense.
Also, installing Xposed modules and other apps, will they consume this System rom space or not?
Is 150mb more than enough and normal or will I need or space?
I've got a lot of space in Internal memory, around 46 gb.
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You could use a debloat zip but it won't change the fact all apps that were system will use the data space... If save space is your thing integrate updates to system
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It's oxygen os that takes the space don't worry it's normal