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Hello guys,
i can't understand where disappear 2Gb memory on SGS4 i9505. I use stock ROM, minimum one time per day i need clean memory through "active aplication" manager because phone unresponsive, it is same situation as on my old phone SGS1 I9000 (512mb RAM). Even all aplication cleared still used 1.2Gb RAM of 1.78Gb physically memory. This is normal or i need begin flash a lot of custom ROM's for find something useful that realy works??? What is better way?
Thanks in advance for answers.
speedfire said:
Hello guys,
i can't understand where disappear 2Gb memory on SGS4 i9505. I use stock ROM, minimum one time per day i need clean memory through "active aplication" manager because phone unresponsive, it is same situation as on my old phone SGS1 I9000 (512mb RAM). Even all aplication cleared still used 1.2Gb RAM of 1.78Gb physically memory. This is normal or i need begin flash a lot of custom ROM's for find something useful that realy works??? What is better way?
Thanks in advance for answers.
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Stock ROM is full of bloatware and stuff. This means you have a ****load of useless apps running in the background, and some useful ones too. You should root your phone, go to application manager and DISABLE all of the useless bloatware you never use (use caution though - some things depend on others. For example don't disable google services if you intend on using any of their things).
There are many apps out there which show you what's running in the background and taking most space. Are you sure your phone feels slower or it's just the RAM that worries you?
Keep in mind that apps keep running in the background so you can later open them quickly, so if you force close them the next time you open them it will be slower.
frrlod said:
There are many apps out there which show you what's running in the background and taking most space. Are you sure your phone feels slower or it's just the RAM that worries you?
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Yes, i feel that phone slower, i wait too long time, while i check RAM it is almost full, and after cleaning RAM phone is more responsive.
Ok, i'll try disable some services in background with root phone, thank you.
I'm still using mine on the unbranded MDM which came with the phone.
I will wait a couple more days, and if they will not release a BTU update, i will flash the DBT one.
Since i have the phone ~May , i never had those lags and redraws like i see here from some users.
I'm not rooted at the moment and if i use apps/games and i just exit them, used RAM drops to ~0.98, i never clear them from memory, but if i do then the used ram drops to ~0.87.
speedfire said:
Hello guys,
i can't understand where disappear 2Gb memory on SGS4 i9505. I use stock ROM, minimum one time per day i need clean memory through "active aplication" manager because phone unresponsive, it is same situation as on my old phone SGS1 I9000 (512mb RAM). Even all aplication cleared still used 1.2Gb RAM of 1.78Gb physically memory. This is normal or i need begin flash a lot of custom ROM's for find something useful that realy works??? What is better way?
Thanks in advance for answers.
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let the android system manage your ram.
any way, you want to see more free ram?
go to developers options and set "Background process limit" to 4 or less
samersh72 said:
let the android system manage your ram.
any way, you want to see more free ram?
go to developers options and set "Background process limit" to 4 or less
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Do you recommend doing this for battery life improvement?
frrlod said:
Do you recommend doing this for battery life improvement?
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it saves a little bit of battery.
but setting limit is not so good for multi-tasking, some apps (not cached in the background) will take a little more time to open, maybe you will not notice that. so if you set limit for example to 2, open running app in setting and press on "show cached process", you will see only 2 apps are cached in the background
samersh72 said:
let the android system manage your ram.
any way, you want to see more free ram?
go to developers options and set "Background process limit" to 4 or less
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Yes, i did it, now on phone "Background proccess limit" is 4 app, but in any case during normal phone job 1.1Gb is used.
Simply i compare with my previous phone galaxy s I9000 that flashed with custom ROM on android 4.1 (comparable software) and i it perfectly and stable work with 512Mb RAM and 1gb (one core) proccessor. I don't play with games and don't feel high difference between two absolutely different hardware's & devices (i don't speak about screens). Old phone work very smoothly, it only uses half as much system resources relatively to new galaxy s4 i9505. Why i need use "Background process limit" option on newest device with 2Gb RAM, even think about it? What is payment for biggest high quality screen?
speedfire said:
Yes, i did it, now on phone "Background proccess limit" is 4 app, but in any case during normal phone job 1.1Gb is used.
Simply i compare with my previous phone galaxy s I9000 that flashed with custom ROM on android 4.1 (comparable software) and i it perfectly and stable work with 512Mb RAM and 1gb (one core) proccessor. I don't play with games and don't feel high difference between two absolutely different hardware's & devices (i don't speak about screens). Old phone work very smoothly, it only uses half as much system resources relatively to new galaxy s4 i9505. Why i need use "Background process limit" option on newest device with 2Gb RAM, even think about it? What is payment for biggest high quality screen?
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no need and not mandatory to set process limit, it is for dev and testing purposes.
linux is smart enough to manage ram
samersh72 said:
no need and not mandatory to set process limit, it is for dev and testing purposes.
linux is smart enough to manage ram
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Of course, but what reason unrational using memory on galaxy S4?
I can understand than system use 500Mb RAM even 700Mb but not over 1gb....
speedfire said:
Of course, but what reason unrational using memory on galaxy S4?
I can understand than system use 500Mb RAM even 700Mb but not over 1gb....
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on S4, for example, you are dealing with almost 1.14 GB of system apps,
a lot of bloatwares....
samersh72 said:
on S4, for example, you are dealing with almost 1.14 GB of system apps,
a lot of bloatwares....
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So, only one way remove excess system apps.
thanks for your help.
Hi,
I recently moved from Note 2 to S4. With my Note 2, I was able to freeze apps with TB to a low 390-450mb used. I was curious why the S4 uses almost 1gb most of the time and I was only able to knock it down to 800mb used with freezing some apps identified on other threads.
Thanks!
I am also curious about this and I also switched from note 2 to s4 but im just going to guess because all the extra features it has and upgrades anf even if some arent in use they are probably on standby still taking up some ram, idk thats just what I think?
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taiwanese said:
Hi,
I recently moved from Note 2 to S4. With my Note 2, I was able to freeze apps with TB to a low 390-450mb used. I was curious why the S4 uses almost 1gb most of the time and I was only able to knock it down to 800mb used with freezing some apps identified on other threads.
Thanks!
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There are more sensors on the S4 and thus more services required to run. If you missed freezing them they will eat RAM, and if you freeze some you will threaten stability. If you aren't sold on the stock ROM then try something from ASOP. Or some of the fully debloated TW ROMs like GOLDENEYE.
Why do you want free RAM?
This is Android, not Windows.
You want Android to use RAM.
joeybear23 said:
Why do you want free RAM?
This is Android, not Windows.
You want Android to use RAM.
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Yep, with android "free ram is wasted ram"
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I see...
So high usage of RAM is good and won't slow down processors or heat up?
Thanks,
I don't know why you'd think it would heat up the processor, it won't.
While low ram isn't necessarily a bad thing with Android, linux based systems tend to use all the ram it can to speed things up,
With all of samsung's bloat it can slow things down if samsung bloat is taking up memory and you don't have enough for the active apps you actually using as the samsung bloat tends to stick around in ram even if your not using it.
Installing cleanrom (TW debloat) seems to have freed up some ram and things are running smoother than stock.
movielover76 said:
I don't know why you'd think it would heat up the processor, it won't.
While low ram isn't necessarily a bad thing with Android, linux based systems tend to use all the ram it can to speed things up,
With all of samsung's bloat it can slow things down if samsung bloat is taking up memory and you don't have enough for the active apps you actually using as the samsung bloat tends to stick around in ram even if your not using it.
Installing cleanrom (TW debloat) seems to have freed up some ram and things are running smoother than stock.
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I see...I'm not an expert on it yet so I'm not too familiar with it.
Thanks for your help
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I see...
So high usage of RAM is good and won't slow down processors or heat up?
Thanks,
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RAM does not heat up like a processor does, it will warm up because it has an electric current going through it, but it will not heat up more based on utilization.
Thanks for the info. Ill just leave it alone
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Guys my previous phone was s3 mini which had cm 11 installed. It used 400mb of ram and nexus 4 with same ROM 900. Can you explain that :0
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If the system has more RAM will use more of it because it will make things faster.
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N4 uses on avg about 400mb
You have a lot of cached apps? Facebook alone can eat up to 100mb
And why do you even worry? N4 has 2gigs of RAM....
When you start out with around 1.8gb of RAM.
Have to deal with the fact that once you get below 500mb of free ram the device turns into a lag fest. Add in the 400mb or so that just running the system uses.
What's funny is the pr crap from Google. Oh we made kitkat to run on lower end devices. We used a crippled nexus 4 with 512 mb or ram. Well they failed. The OS still runs like a three legged dog when it's "low" on ram.
Interesting..
Any way to fix this?
I used greenify on s3 mini.
But I guess I won't be needing that since 2gb of RAM plus snapdragon s4 pro is just too high for phone to lag.
Nexus 4 is still high end phone, right?
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albundy2010 said:
When you start out with around 1.8gb of RAM.
Have to deal with the fact that once you get below 500mb of free ram the device turns into a lag fest. Add in the 400mb or so that just running the system uses.
What's funny is the pr crap from Google. Oh we made kitkat to run on lower end devices. We used a crippled nexus 4 with 512 mb or ram. Well they failed. The OS still runs like a three legged dog when it's "low" on ram.
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Isus <3 said:
Interesting..
Any way to fix this?
I used greenify on s3 mini.
But I guess I won't be needing that since 2gb of RAM plus snapdragon s4 pro is just too high for phone to lag.
Nexus 4 is still high end phone, right?
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Oh come on guys....it is 2GB of RAM and it is STOCK ANDROID! This is not Touchwiz for you to be scared of running out of memory.
I'm a power user and i have never had more than 1GB of RAM used..... just install greenify and enjoy life
Also, what lag? Only lag you will see is if you feck up your kernel settings, if you turn of 3 cores completely or underclock to 700mhz lol
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Oh come on guys....it is 2GB of RAM and it is STOCK ANDROID! This is not Touchwiz for you to be scared of running out of memory.
I'm a power user and i have never had more than 1GB of RAM used..... just install greenify and enjoy life
Also, what lag? Only lag you will see is if you feck up your kernel settings, if you turn of 3 cores completely or underclock to 700mhz lol
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I'm using CyanogenMod not stock and I don't mind about RAM but it's simply plain weird that s3 mini uses less RAM on same ROM and android version.
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Look
http://puu.sh/7Gc2C.png
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What would you do with free RAM instead of using it to cache and run services and system processes? Free RAM is wasted RAM
Isus <3 said:
Look
http://puu.sh/7Gc2C.png
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Idk man....could be your ROM, i'm on PA 4+....i had about 1gb used with note 2 TW........
Is Nexus 4 still considered as HIGH END device?
Isus <3 said:
I'm using CyanogenMod not stock and I don't mind about RAM but it's simply plain weird that s3 mini uses less RAM on same ROM and android version.
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Read here for more information on Linux system memory usage. It's a bit long, so make a coffee, read slowly and you'll understand why.
Isus <3 said:
Is Nexus 4 still considered as HIGH END device?
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Not really. Compared to this year's flagship devices, our nexus 4 cannot be considered as a high end device. Having said that, it still performs really well because of the stock android. Only drawbacks are its camera and battery though.
arffrhn said:
Read here for more information on Linux system memory usage. It's a bit long, so make a coffee, read slowly and you'll understand why.
Not really. Compared to this year's flagship devices, our nexus 4 cannot be considered as a high end device. Having said that, it still performs really well because of the stock android. Only drawbacks are its camera and battery though.
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Okay thanks, btw whats that kernel you use? Is it better then CM stock kernel I get when i install it?
Isus <3 said:
Look
http://puu.sh/7Gc2C.png
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arffrhn said:
Read here for more information on Linux system memory usage. It's a bit long, so make a coffee, read slowly and you'll understand why.
Not really. Compared to this year's flagship devices, our nexus 4 cannot be considered as a high end device. Having said that, it still performs really well because of the stock android. Only drawbacks are its camera and battery though.
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5 hours of SOT is good for a 2100mah battery....and regarding the phone status, it's still a High end device.
Just because it doesn't work at 2300mhz or that it doesn't have a 1080p display it doesn't mean it's not a high end device.
It performs as a high end device, which is what is important. What is the point of 2.3 Ghz when my N4 can run lag free underclocked at 1.1 Ghz?
It's all marketing
Mashed_Potatoes said:
Oh come on guys....it is 2GB of RAM and it is STOCK ANDROID! This is not Touchwiz for you to be scared of running out of memory.
I'm a power user and i have never had more than 1GB of RAM used..... just install greenify and enjoy life
Also, what lag? Only lag you will see is if you feck up your kernel settings, if you turn of 3 cores completely or underclock to 700mhz lol
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You won't run out of RAM because android went let it happen.
The system / apps uses more than 1gb all the time. There should not be a need for root and greenify etc
You can see lag everywhere. It's there no matter what the die hard android fans say. The launcher lags in the widget selection part. Google plus lags and so on
Its funny how people see what the want to see. Most of the same people are also the ones that move on to the nexus 5 and say wow this is fast, I though the 4 was fast etc. They then immediately see the difference. Something you never hear from anybody going from a iPhone 5 to 5s.
To other posters yes in theory free ram is wasted ram. But it's not wasted ram when you need to keep around 500mb free to keep your system running as it should.
Again. On ios you can run right to you run out of RAM and make the app crash. You won't notice it until happens. On Android... Oh crap. There goes the lag fast. Clear all greenify and so on. All while having more than 400mb of free available ram. Which is more than you would have on a system with only 512 mb.
albundy2010 said:
You won't run out of RAM because android went let it happen.
The system / apps uses more than 1gb all the time. There should not be a need for root and greenify etc
You can see lag everywhere. It's there no matter what the die hard android fans say. The launcher lags in the widget selection part. Google plus lags and so on
Its funny how people see what the want to see. Most of the same people are also the ones that move on to the nexus 5 and say wow this is fast, I though the 4 was fast etc. They then immediately see the difference. Something you never hear from anybody going from a iPhone 5 to 5s.
To other posters yes in theory free ram is wasted ram. But it's not wasted ram when you need to keep around 500mb free to keep your system running as it should.
Again. On ios you can run right to you run out of RAM and make the app crash. You won't notice it until happens. On Android... Oh crap. There goes the lag fast. Clear all greenify and so on. All while having more than 400mb of free available ram. Which is more than you would have on a system with only 512 mb.
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Lol what are you talking about
I have no lag....not in G+, nor in Widget drawer.
iOS and Bada OS are similar. Bada 2.0 on my old Wave 3 was iPhone fast, and it only had 512 megs of RAM.
iOSBada & Android work differently.... what i've noticed that these closed source sh1ts have runtime similar to ART, hence they open up apps fast (even the Wave with 1.4 ghz single core & 512mb ram)
Isus <3 said:
Okay thanks, btw whats that kernel you use? Is it better then CM stock kernel I get when i install it?
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Whether it's better or not, I don't know because I don't use CM. Either way, it is good imo. You can try but not all phones are made the same. So, if it is good on mine doesn't mean it's good on yours too. You just need to try it yourself.
Note: If you are using CM, use the CM version.
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Mashed_Potatoes said:
5 hours of SOT is good for a 2100mah battery....and regarding the phone status, it's still a High end device.
Just because it doesn't work at 2300mhz or that it doesn't have a 1080p display it doesn't mean it's not a high end device.
It performs as a high end device, which is what is important. What is the point of 2.3 Ghz when my N4 can run lag free underclocked at 1.1 Ghz?
It's all marketing
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That is why my friend, read what I said carefully. I did say it performs really well despite not having all those specs you said. 5 hours? Yeah, on wifi I can get up to 7 hours but on 3g connection, not even close to that. Best I can get so far with 3g all the time is 3 hours. That's my opinion anyway, why should we settle on good when it can be great. I hope the next nexus (if google still make it) would have a bigger battery. That's all.
What's the point of having 4GB of ram if the whole damn system takes about 3.5 gb living me with only 1.5gb useful. This is absurd! I will root and flash a custom rom just because of this. You know how SLOW our phones are running consuming more than half of ram??? Any way to fix this without root?
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nano303 said:
What's the point of having 4GB of ram if the whole damn system takes about 3.5 gb living me with only 1.5gb useful. This is absurd! I will root and flash a custom rom just because of this. You know how SLOW our phones are running consuming more than half of ram??? Any way to fix this without root?
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It's 3.5GB because the GPU needs 500MB allotted for itself.
What's the use of 4GBs of RAM if 1.5GB is not being used?
Android uses the RAM and kills things when it needs more. Idle RAM is useless RAM.
Plus 3.5 + 1.5 = 5.
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While this phone has a lot of ram and the management is much better compared to the s6 it's still not that great. The whole system does lag and feel bogged down. After clearing all the tasks it's smoother but apps will still close in memory and have to relaunch upon opening. I too am looking forward to rooting and custom Roms
_Dennis_ said:
What's the use of 4GBs of RAM if 1.5GB is not being used?
Android uses the RAM and kills things when it needs more. Idle RAM is useless RAM.
Plus 3.5 + 1.5 = 5.
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What he^ said.
There could be 6GB of RAM and the system is going to use it. That's what it's there for. Android is built to effectively manage what is using RAM to keep everything running smoothly.
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While I agree the RAM usage seems a bit high I haven't really seen any system slowdowns. I only clear out RAM these days out of habit rather than necessity and honestly I can't tell much of a difference in performance before and after cos it is a very fast phone.
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For everyone arguing with OP; The problem seems to be that there isn't enough ram, and the system keeps shutting things down instead of letting them run in the background. Either that, or the ram is being managed poorly, and apps are being closed instead of running in the background.
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For everyone arguing with OP; The problem seems to be that there isn't enough ram, and the system keeps shutting things down instead of letting them run in the background. Either that, or the ram is being managed poorly, and apps are being closed instead of running in the background.
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Phone don't slow down. I wish there was more ram but I would of liked if Samsung copied apple in which you can go back to the previous app 10+ apps ago and it's still exactly were you where, with less than 1gb of ram? I don't see why Samsung can't do this apple gots a slight edge in multi tasking. But we have multi window. There "multi window" sucks soooooo bad. Only like 5 apps support that feature lol
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Hello guys,am planning to buy the Asus zenfone max pro m2(4/64 variant).
Should I go for it?I have read various comments on YouTube saying that the mobile consumes a lot of ram and also battery drains too fast etc.
So,I want suggestions from you people.. Also can anyone please tell me how much ram is free in 4gb Variant.?
Thanks
I don't understand all free RAM obsession, RAM is meant to be used and to my knowledge, 80% of available RAM will be occupied. That unless you restrict background running for most apps. Alternatively, you can easily clear recent apps on regular basis. Or better yet, use Naptime or similar apps to apply Doze more aggresively. I use realme 2 pro which natively applying aggresive RAM cleanups and I'm not happy with that. I don't have any issues with Max Pro 2 battery. When it comes to android, you have more control of it. It isn't perfect in any sense but that's what makes it challenging and interesting.
There is no issues like that. They must be comparing it to redmi or realme phones which use aggressive ram management. They even provide tools to clear and kill recent apps in the skin itself. In my opinion this affects the seamless multi-tasking capability of the phone. Why buy a phone with 4gb of ram if you can't use it?!!
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Hello guys,am planning to buy the Asus zenfone max pro m2(4/64 variant).
Should I go for it?I have read various comments on YouTube saying that the mobile consumes a lot of ram and also battery drains too fast etc.
So,I want suggestions from you people.. Also can anyone please tell me how much ram is free in 4gb Variant.?
Thanks
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More the RAM is being used more seamless experience you gonna get, Free RAM does nothing in phone but occupied RAM does help out with quick and snappier feel of the phone. You can free the RAM but that won't help you anyway, when android wanna load something in the RAM which is filled it removes allocation of memory to less prioritised stuffs and this process repeats all over when you open different Apps. When an app is already there in RAM it's faster to switch/open that app !
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More the RAM is being used more seamless experience you gonna get, Free RAM does nothing in phone but occupied RAM does help out with quick and snappier feel of the phone. You can free the RAM but that won't help you anyway, when android wanna load something in the RAM which is filled it removes allocation of memory to less prioritised stuffs and this process repeats all over when you open different Apps. When an app is already there in RAM it's faster to switch/open that app !
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I know bro I was just eager to know how much ram is free as this phone comes with stock android,so can u please provide me with a screenshot of running apps?
Thanks
mr.anonymous12 said:
I know bro I was just eager to know how much ram is free as this phone comes with stock android,so can u please provide me with a screenshot of running apps?
Thanks
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Here it is
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Here it is
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Thanks fella
kickyvivi said:
There is no issues like that. They must be comparing it to redmi or realme phones which use aggressive ram management. They even provide tools to clear and kill recent apps in the skin itself. In my opinion this affects the seamless multi-tasking capability of the phone. Why buy a phone with 4gb of ram if you can't use it?!!
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Yes exactly,redmi and realme phones comes with custom ui which causes the unnecessary ram usage.