[Thoughts] Nougat vs Marshmallow - Nexus 6 General

Now that the Android 7.0 factory images have been released and most (all?) of the custom ROM & kernel devs are jumping to Nougat, I'm actually missing Marshmallow.
Nougat has some a few interesting features, but it seems like Marshmallow is more stable and is faster (& maybe better battery life too). Maybe this is because the N6 is a 2+ year old device now.
All these new custom ROMs are popping up with "base" versions, lacking much of the functionality they had in Marshmallow. Obviously, that will change over time.
But it leaves me feeling a little empty. I like Marshmallow. It runs well on my device. There are a few apps I use that haven't been updated to Nougat yet and are incompatible. And it leaves me sad to see that development has effectively stopped for MM, even though Google continues to release updates.
I have experimented with building ROMs in the past (Pure Nexus, Dirty Unicorns). Maybe I'll have to learn how to actually build a ROM from scratch to fill this void. Or stick to the "boring" factory images LOL.

I think nougat actually lasts longer. My experience might not be indicative of yours so that's just my opinion. Maybe wait for the apps to get optimized for nougat as well? It might be too early to judge I think
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So far I like M better...

Pros and Cons
Would be nice to have a Pros and Cons section. If you post yours I will update the table here.
M Pros (N Cons):
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Adaway works out of the box
All root file managers can access the system files.
Xposed.
Layers don't work in N
Faster notifications
Working hotspot hack
Mature GPS (problems reported in Nougat)
N Pros (M Cons):
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More updated security patches.
Quick toggles with one swipe.
Keyboard shows numbers on top if entering a password.
Doze (debatable if it is useful or an improvement over M)
Smoother with better battery life? (very questionable!!)
Display can be resized
Saturation of the colors can be changed
Good looking and more functional notifications

najoor said:
Would be nice to start a Pros and Cons section. If you post yours I will update the table here.
M Pros (N Cons):
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Adaway works out of the box
All root file managers can access the system files.
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For AdAway to run on N you need to flash the systemless host file, then install AdAway and it works.
I think with each in every Android update this always happens. You can choose to wait to update if you want everything to work like you had it, or you can update then wait for everything else to catch up. The choice is yours. I like to update to the newest OS to see what Google has been working on. Everything will work eventually. If you prefer M then stick to it, sooner or later you will need to update to get the latest security.

Datsun.510 said:
For AdAway to run on N you need to flash the systemless host file, then install AdAway and it works.
I think with each in every Android update this always happens. You can choose to wait to update if you want everything to work like you had it, or you can update then wait for everything else to catch up. The choice is yours. I like to update to the newest OS to see what Google has been working on. Everything will work eventually. If you prefer M then stick to it, sooner or later you will need to update to get the latest security.
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That is what I meant by "out of the box". Adaway always worked with every previous release. This is the first time you need to flash something to make it work.
I will add security to the Cons for M.
What else do you like about N?

najoor said:
That is what I meant by "out of the box". Adaway always worked with every previous release. This is the first time you need to flash something to make it work.
I will add security to the Cons for M.
What else do you like about N?
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Quick panel on the status bar without having to swipe twice. Of course with customs roms you can do smart pull down right or left, also now you can edit the layout without needing a custom ROM.

I like the fact that the you dont have to use the quick tiles and they are just toggles as they should be. There is no good reason a toggle needs to be that big. It was one of the worst changes Google made. Guess they hear enough complaining.
The new doze feature does seem ti be working but it is not helpful as it kinda defeats the purpose of an always connected device.
Other then that I cant say it is really better.

zelendel said:
I like the fact that the you dont have to use the quick tiles and they are just toggles as they should be. There is no good reason a toggle needs to be that big. It was one of the worst changes Google made. Guess they hear enough complaining.
The new doze feature does seem ti be working but it is not helpful as it kinda defeats the purpose of an always connected device.
Other then that I cant say it is really better.
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Yes that's what I meant. Quick toggles with one swipe. Also keyboard now shows numbers on top if entering a password.

Datsun.510 said:
Yes that's what I meant. Quick toggles with one swipe. Also keyboard now shows numbers on top if entering a password.
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Can't say anything about the keyboard. I have never nor will I ever use Google's keyboard.

I actually like Nougat better. I feel it's faster in installing apps smoother overall better battery and a refreshing new ui. Like the jump from kitkat to lollipop. U better learn how to compile because i have been using dirty unicorns 7.0 and its just:good: . I cannot talk about stock os maybe that's why our experiences differ?

Still on Marshmallow and plan on being on it for the foreseeable future. Do not see anything in Nougat that is game changing enough for me to change up right now.
And I also think it is to early to pass judgement between the two. Marshmallow has been around for over a year and therefore devs have had the opportunity to create, test, and mod it to perfection. It is tried and tested at this point. I imagine this same topic comes up whenever a major update comes along. Nougat is still new. In 6 months time, Nougat will be in the process of becoming just as stable and customized as Marshmallow is now. Also keep in mind that Marshallmallow is still barely on that many devices and is still very current and up to date.
Another big deciding factor for me is Xposed. I run a couple Instagram accounts which requires me to post stuff that nobody else has. I acquire that material thru Xposed modules. Also with minminguard, Youtube background playback and ad remover, and Greenify Xposed version, I can't imagine moving on without it. I do not plan on moving on to 7.x until Xposed is updated for it, as well as the modules I use. Keep in mind that this may never come, as Xposed updates are not guaranteed.
In short, I am perfectly fine with staying with Marshmallow. Latest updates from my favorite ROM are from September and as time goes by, being open source, I can merge latest security fixes and build it myself if need be.
PS: I have not even tried Nougat at all. Not even developer previews. Just do not see any valid reason to do so in comparison to Marshmallow.

christianpeso said:
Still on Marshmallow and plan on being on it for the foreseeable future. Do not see anything in Nougat that is game changing enough for me to change up right now.
And I also think it is to early to pass judgement between the two. Marshmallow has been around for over a year and therefore devs have had the opportunity to create, test, and mod it to perfection. It is tried and tested at this point. I imagine this same topic comes up whenever a major update comes along. Nougat is still new. In 6 months time, Nougat will be in the process of becoming just as stable and customized as Marshmallow is now. Also keep in mind that Marshallmallow is still barely on that many devices and is still very current and up to date.
Another big deciding factor for me is Xposed. I run a couple Instagram accounts which requires me to post stuff that nobody else has. I acquire that material thru Xposed modules. Also with minminguard, Youtube background playback and ad remover, and Greenify Xposed version, I can't imagine moving on without it. I do not plan on moving on to 7.x until Xposed is updated for it, as well as the modules I use. Keep in mind that this may never come, as Xposed updates are not guaranteed.
In short, I am perfectly fine with staying with Marshmallow. Latest updates from my favorite ROM are from September and as time goes by, being open source, I can merge latest security fixes and build it myself if need be.
PS: I have not even tried Nougat at all. Not even developer previews. Just do not see any valid reason to do so in comparison to Marshmallow.
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I'm in the same situation as well. I am probably also one of the few who has never ran Nougat. I'm at a point right now where I need everything stable and working as life has been very busy lately. I also will be staying with Marshmallow until a very stable version of Nougat comes out, esp since I have to change over the radio and bootloader.
I also use Xposed heavily and the current themes that I have..... I don't want to do without just to have the latest version. I'll wait until next year if I have to if thats how long it takes to get Nougat up and running with fully supported Xposed as well.

mikeprius said:
I'm in the same situation as well. I am probably also one of the few who has never ran Nougat. I'm at a point right now where I need everything stable and working as life has been very busy lately. I also will be staying with Marshmallow until a very stable version of Nougat comes out, esp since I have to change over the radio and bootloader.
I also use Xposed heavily and the current themes that I have..... I don't want to do without just to have the latest version. I'll wait until next year if I have to if thats how long it takes to get Nougat up and running with fully supported Xposed as well.
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I'm a grown-up old dude, and I don't really use my phone like most kids nowadays, my social network footprint is like a lil lovebird. I think I post more here than any other web forum/social place. But i feel my battery is a lot better, not just a bit but a lot, the phone seems faster and snappier, and the only thing I miss from Xposed is blocking adds in YouTube, most of the time you can skip those so not a biggie, and YouTube screen off playback module. Everything else seems better to me on Nougat and I didn't felt the same from LP to MM. I mostly flash aosp Roms or stock based which probably adds to my perception. I know that cm is basically based on aosp like anything Android.
At the time of GB custom Roms were the rule for me cause plain Android lacked many features that cm and others had, but as I grew older I seem to be running less custom options on my phone and have less patience than before to deal with sod, reboots, and such. I still experiment, and when there's something really new I'll flash my phone, but seems I always end up running some kind of aosp/modified stock rom.
If you want a lot of options and customization, stay on MM. Like every other update before this custom roms haven't catch up but it will get there and we'll have this same conversation around October next year.
Probably not on this parts of XDA.
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Also there's this, for some weird reason I like this crap, lol, I'm a dog person, have a mini pinch and a pitbull.
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I am a fan of N and have been since the July 18th NDP5. I like the lock screen notifications much better. I like and use split screen (not all the time but when I need it, it works perfect and easy) . I am becoming a bigger fan of security and things being more locked down. The things we really need will come in time they always do (it did just come out). I have always gotten good battery life and still do. I think the stock N is getting much better than stock MM. I like Android Pay so I am actually trying to live with no root on PureNexus, I do really miss adaway the most and being able to substratum the lock screen notifications. But at the end of the day I am fine with it for now.
Overall I am glad to be on N and believe it will get much better once we get 7.1 and higher.

FCORivers said:
I'm a grown-up old dude, and I don't really use my phone like most kids nowadays, my social network footprint is like a lil lovebird. I think I post more here than any other web forum/social place. But i feel my battery is a lot better, not just a bit but a lot, the phone seems faster and snappier, and the only thing I miss from Xposed is blocking adds in YouTube, most of the time you can skip those so not a biggie, and YouTube screen off playback module. Everything else seems better to me on Nougat and I didn't felt the same from LP to MM. I mostly flash aosp Roms or stock based which probably adds to my perception. I know that cm is basically based on aosp like anything Android.
At the time of GB custom Roms were the rule for me cause plain Android lacked many features that cm and others had, but as I grew older I seem to be running less custom options on my phone and have less patience than before to deal with sod, reboots, and such. I still experiment, and when there's something really new I'll flash my phone, but seems I always end up running some kind of aosp/modified stock rom.
If you want a lot of options and customization, stay on MM. Like every other update before this custom roms haven't catch up but it will get there and we'll have this same conversation around October next year.
Probably not on this parts of XDA.
Also there's this, for some weird reason I like this crap, lol, I'm a dog person, have a mini pinch and a pitbull.
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I get having everything work, that's one thing that stock Google Android offers is there are minimal bugs vs. custom ROMs. I'm used to a lot of features trying to do without gets to me. One issue is all the ad related things like youtube and Ad away so I use those mods. Plus minminguard. Also some things like the notification light and disabling heads up/toast notifications.
I'll wait until Chroma or DU drops N then I may try it. I'm using DU's latest M ROM and it works 100%.
What is that screenshot of ? the animals ?

mikeprius said:
I get having everything work, that's one thing that stock Google Android offers is there are minimal bugs vs. custom ROMs. I'm used to a lot of features trying to do without gets to me. One issue is all the ad related things like youtube and Ad away so I use those mods. Plus minminguard. Also some things like the notification light and disabling heads up/toast notifications.
I'll wait until Chroma or DU drops N then I may try it. I'm using DU's latest M ROM and it works 100%.
What is that screenshot of ? the animals ?
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That's the cat game in Nougat.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Maybe I'll do a build of Pure Nexus 7.0 and give it another try. I see recent commits for controlling the LED!
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najoor said:
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Smoother with better battery life? (very questionable!!)
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After a few days Nougat on my N6 I think that Marshmallow consumed less battery power.

My battery usage is on par with what I had on MM on the MOBXXX roms, the older roms were better, but MOB was snappier.
I like that the QS tiles can be arranged now without the tuner, the new controls on the first swipe, and the new notifications. Also the much shorter optimizing apps time.
So I wouldn't go back

I also think marshmallow is faster and more fluid. Let's see what happens with 7.1.
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My M8 Experience So Far

Bit of background....
Was never much a fan of android and had just about every iphone from day dot right up until the iphone 5.
I'd Jailbroke all the way through with each device, a lot of tweaks, modding etc.
Started to get very bored of the whole iphone thing but ended up losing it anyway (left it on a train)
That's what made me think, why not try something different? So claimed on my insurance and went for a Galaxy S3.
NEVER MISSED MY IPHONE ONCE. How android has improved over the years.
Loved the functionality of the S3, although not the build so much. Had it rooted with CM, gravity box, adaway and that was me happy.
Was very excited to wait for the M8 and upgraded as soon as it came out, wasn't disappointed, LOVE IT!
Fantastic build quality, great looks, great spec. Could hardly fault it anywhere.
Decided to jump in and root it to get some of my favourite things.... That's where my disappointment began
Unlike the Samsung, everything seems really difficult to achieve, some things impossible.
Unlocking the boot loader is a fairly long process but it was fairly straight forward... Job done
Rooting, fairly straight forward... Job done
HERES WHERE THE NOT SO FUN PARTS STARTS...
Adaway, kinda works but not. Keep having problems with it being disabled on boot up and not being able to copy host files
From my research it seems to be a problem with s-off not being active although I'm not sure?
Tried the s-off process and at the end was told it won't work on my device, no one seems to know exactly why?
Another app I wanted was gsam battery, again... Kinda works but not. Standard stats work but more advanced won't.
Tried the root companion, can't get that to work at all.
Something else I really wanted was gravity box through xposed. That won't work with sense.
In order to get that I believe I have to flash another rom that dos'nt have sense, think that only leaves the google play edition rom?
That I believe also loses me blinkfeed and ultra power saver which are both pretty good.
Not sure if I need s-off for that, if I do I can't get it anyway
May main reason for root was for gravity box and adaway, one of which I kinda have and one I don't have at all.
So overall, very disappointed now
Just thought I'd share my experience as it might help others decide on purchase choices.
Also if anyone has any tips to get around my issues I'd really appreciate it
its for those reasons i now leave my phones stock. i used to customise my windows phones to get them to work but since switching to android i just use them and update the stock software when they become available. i also have an m8 and i have only installed gsam, chrome and epson printer apps. that is all i have needed so far. i seem to be able to do everything i need to do without any more apps installed. i had a htc one x previous and sensation before that and had so much stuff on them that they were litterely full of apps. i will probably end up adding heaps of apps as time goes on but the stock setup on the m8 is very powerful and capable (not to mention fast). i would recommend just installing the stock rom back and use it for a while. is there really any advantage to rooting these anyway.
boofhead said:
its for those reasons i now leave my phones stock. i used to customise my windows phones to get them to work but since switching to android i just use them and update the stock software when they become available. i also have an m8 and i have only installed gsam, chrome and epson printer apps. that is all i have needed so far. i seem to be able to do everything i need to do without any more apps installed. i had a htc one x previous and sensation before that and had so much stuff on them that they were litterely full of apps. i will probably end up adding heaps of apps as time goes on but the stock setup on the m8 is very powerful and capable (not to mention fast). i would recommend just installing the stock rom back and use it for a while. is there really any advantage to rooting these anyway.
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Xposed framework would be a huge advantage to me to get rid of annoying things, some small some not so small.
Even the volume warning really annoys me, there's no way to disable it without xposed working
Also on my s3 I moved the close all apps button to bottom left, much easier for me being a lefty
Hi, ads can be blocked through modified hosts file (you can search how to do that). Have you tried a custom ROM with root already done. I use Venom and have always used adaway, both s-on and s-off with no issues.
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bah77 said:
Bit of background....
Was never much a fan of android and had just about every iphone from day dot right up until the iphone 5.
I'd Jailbroke all the way through with each device, a lot of tweaks, modding etc.
Started to get very bored of the whole iphone thing but ended up losing it anyway (left it on a train)
That's what made me think, why not try something different? So claimed on my insurance and went for a Galaxy S3.
NEVER MISSED MY IPHONE ONCE. How android has improved over the years.
Loved the functionality of the S3, although not the build so much. Had it rooted with CM, gravity box, adaway and that was me happy.
Was very excited to wait for the M8 and upgraded as soon as it came out, wasn't disappointed, LOVE IT!
Fantastic build quality, great looks, great spec. Could hardly fault it anywhere.
Decided to jump in and root it to get some of my favourite things.... That's where my disappointment began
Unlike the Samsung, everything seems really difficult to achieve, some things impossible.
Unlocking the boot loader is a fairly long process but it was fairly straight forward... Job done
Rooting, fairly straight forward... Job done
HERES WHERE THE NOT SO FUN PARTS STARTS...
Adaway, kinda works but not. Keep having problems with it being disabled on boot up and not being able to copy host files
From my research it seems to be a problem with s-off not being active although I'm not sure?
Tried the s-off process and at the end was told it won't work on my device, no one seems to know exactly why?
Another app I wanted was gsam battery, again... Kinda works but not. Standard stats work but more advanced won't.
Tried the root companion, can't get that to work at all.
Something else I really wanted was gravity box through xposed. That won't work with sense.
In order to get that I believe I have to flash another rom that dos'nt have sense, think that only leaves the google play edition rom?
That I believe also loses me blinkfeed and ultra power saver which are both pretty good.
Not sure if I need s-off for that, if I do I can't get it anyway
May main reason for root was for gravity box and adaway, one of which I kinda have and one I don't have at all.
So overall, very disappointed now
Just thought I'd share my experience as it might help others decide on purchase choices.
Also if anyone has any tips to get around my issues I'd really appreciate it
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Sorry but i dont understand what problems you actually have or what you done/expect from your phone
Adaway and GSAM battery stats works perfectly on all custom roms for M8 without issues.
And roms like our Viper ONE M8 provides endless customization and tweaking options, can you tell me what can you do with that gravity that you cant in viper rom?
Gravity Box wouldn't work on a Sense based rom anyways. I think the main source of your issues is the lack of research (user error).
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Gravity Box wouldn't work on a Sense based rom anyways. I think the main source of your issues is the lack of research (user error).
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What parts don't? I haven't gone incredibly far into GB, but the NavBar tweaks worked for me and I'm on Viper, a Sense-based Rom.
ivicask said:
Sorry but i dont understand what problems you actually have or what you done/expect from your phone
Adaway and GSAM battery stats works perfectly on all custom roms for M8 without issues.
And roms like our Viper ONE M8 provides endless customization and tweaking options, can you tell me what can you do with that gravity that you cant in viper rom?
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I've been looking at viper actually, considering flashing tonight
I mainly wanted to move the close all apps button to the bottom left rather than top right
Stop the volume warning popping up when increasing volume
Have the pull down go straight into settings rather then having to use 2 fingers
I had all that through gravity box on my s3.
I'm guessing they won't all be on viper but as viper isn't sense gravity box should work anyway, is that right?
bah77 said:
I've been looking at viper actually, considering flashing tonight
I mainly wanted to move the close all apps button to the bottom left rather than top right
Stop the volume warning popping up when increasing volume
Have the pull down go straight into settings rather then having to use 2 fingers
I had all that through gravity box on my s3.
I'm guessing they won't all be on viper but as viper isn't sense gravity box should work anyway, is that right?
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First off: Sense isn't TouchWiz. All features of GravityBox which work on TouchWiz or AOSP wont always work on Sense.
Plus, Sense 6.0 is still VERY fresh and the devs of GB and similar are still looking into what can be done on Sense and what not.
Viper is already heavily customizable and may already feature most of the things you want. Then there is always GPE which replaces Sense with Vanilla Android most GravityBox features will work with - Tho you need to know that some exclusive features like a couple of camera things, dot view etc wont work as extensive as on Sense anymore.
Its all a matter of what you really need and what you really wanna do. I for one prefer to stick to Sense which is mostly stock (InsertCoin) with some customizable settings - keeps the system cleaner and snappier IMO.
You decide :good:
Try4Ce said:
First off: Sense isn't TouchWiz. All features of GravityBox which work on TouchWiz or AOSP wont always work on Sense.
Plus, Sense 6.0 is still VERY fresh and the devs of GB and similar are still looking into what can be done on Sense and what not.
Viper is already heavily customizable and may already feature most of the things you want. Then there is always GPE which replaces Sense with Vanilla Android most GravityBox features will work with - Tho you need to know that some exclusive features like a couple of camera things, dot view etc wont work as extensive as on Sense anymore.
Its all a matter of what you really need and what you really wanna do. I for one prefer to stick to Sense which is mostly stock (InsertCoin) with some customizable settings - keeps the system cleaner and snappier IMO.
You decide :good:
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Many thanks for the response, I will have a look into the different roms more over the weekend
I guess I was too naive, only on my 2nd ever android phone and that's from a hell of a lot of phones I've owned in the past
I guess I was thinking along the lines of a one android fits all but that's quite clearly not the case, there are lots of differences between one android phone to another
bah77 said:
Many thanks for the response, I will have a look into the different roms more over the weekend
I guess I was too naive, only on my 2nd ever android phone and that's from a hell of a lot of phones I've owned in the past
I guess I was thinking along the lines of a one android fits all but that's quite clearly not the case, there are lots of differences between one android phone to another
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Hehe well yeah, every Android phone can be quite different to each other. Its with the hardware already. On the iDevices, its all streamlined and almost everything will work on the different iPhones. Its convenient, but nothing for me - I am a modder and toy around alot, and thats where Android kicks in.
Some things on Android can be annoying, since there are much more differences in Hardware and Software among all the devices running Android, but it actually can be quite interesting to see what all the talented Android Developers come up with.
I hope you find what you are looking for. The M8 is a hell of a great device and dispite of being so new, alot of customizations are already possible.
rquinn19 said:
Gravity Box wouldn't work on a Sense based rom anyways. I think the main source of your issues is the lack of research (user error).
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Wrong, working just great with my SENSE rom.
Thread closed as it is an off-topic thread.
Ghost

Wanting KitKat on N6. Crazy?

I can't be the only one not enjoying lollipop. I feel like it's been dumbed down, had features scrubbed, just horrible experience.
Google and AOSP thrived on customization and user experience. I feel that 5.0 and 5.1 are a step away from that. I'm not even an "early adaptor" this far into the release, yet I feel like a beta tester. Random reboots, Webview crashing tons of apps, I can't use Firefox or Chrome for 10 minutes without a crash, Xposed being dysfunctional. The "interruptions" function is unintuitive. Aesthetically I feel JB and Kk were superior in almost all regards.
I support developers when I can, I want to do nothing but further the Android cause. I can't code so I "buy a beer" for the guys that can occasionally. But each day I'm less and less optimistic about androids future.
Idroid, here we come.
Am I crazy or does anyone else want their 4.4 back as much as I do?
I haven't had any of those problems on 5.0 or 5.1. Are you using a custom ROM or just stock?
ffchampmt said:
I can't be the only one not enjoying lollipop. I feel like it's been dumbed down, had features scrubbed, just horrible experience.
Google and AOSP thrived on customization and user experience. I feel that 5.0 and 5.1 are a step away from that. I'm not even an "early adaptor" this far into the release, yet I feel like a beta tester. Random reboots, Webview crashing tons of apps, I can't use Firefox or Chrome for 10 minutes without a crash, Xposed being dysfunctional. The "interruptions" function is unintuitive. Aesthetically I feel JB and Kk were superior in almost all regards.
I support developers when I can, I want to do nothing but further the Android cause. I can't code so I "buy a beer" for the guys that can occasionally. But each day I'm less and less optimistic about androids future.
Idroid, here we come.
Am I crazy or does anyone else want their 4.4 back as much as I do?
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The hell you talking about? Lollipop has been rock solid for me. What features were removed? And if you're using Xposed, that's probably your problem-- it's an ALPHA.
These are from a mix of stock and Euphoria. It seemed like the amount of work by devs that went into 4.0+ OS was incredible. Now it's echo chamber reassurances of its better, it's better, so smooth, look at material design. *sip green koolaid*
It feels as if the blind notion of "if it's apple it's great" is engulfing android. I want more devs, more AOSP projects, originality.
I am soapboxing a little here but I digress.
I am dissatisfied with the visual and functional direction android is going and want to head back to Kitkat.
Sent from my Verizon Nexus 6 running Euphoria
Jaspah said:
The hell you talking about? Lollipop has been rock solid for me. What features were removed? And if you're using Xposed, that's probably your problem-- it's an ALPHA.
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One example. My vibration strength for hepatic feedback and phone ring are linked. I'd like my phone to vibrate on 100% but my key presses to be about 40%. Quick toggle shortcuts are mangled. Lockscreen notification is not on a per app basis.
Forced encryption is an unnecessary tool for most users. If your phone gets turned off after being lost a person who finds it has no owner information. Would device manager even be able to remote lock and erase?
The reason I threw in Xposed dysfunction is because it worked on 4.4. It was a reason I wanted to retreat back to my Kitkat.
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One example. My vibration strength for hepatic feedback and phone ring are linked. I'd like my phone to vibrate on 100% but my key presses to be about 40%. Quick toggle shortcuts are mangled. Lockscreen notification is not on a per app basis.
Forced encryption is an unnecessary tool for most users. If your phone gets turned off after being lost a person who finds it has no owner information. Would device manager even be able to remote lock and erase?
The reason I threw in Xposed dysfunction is because it worked on 4.4. It was a reason I wanted to retreat back to my Kitkat.
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For the encryption, your owner info appears on the password/pattern page when the device is turned on. I can't comment on the vibration cause I can't even feel it at 100%.
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One example. My vibration strength for hepatic feedback and phone ring are linked. I'd like my phone to vibrate on 100% but my key presses to be about 40%. Quick toggle shortcuts are mangled. Lockscreen notification is not on a per app basis.
Forced encryption is an unnecessary tool for most users. If your phone gets turned off after being lost a person who finds it has no owner information. Would device manager even be able to remote lock and erase?
The reason I threw in Xposed dysfunction is because it worked on 4.4. It was a reason I wanted to retreat back to my Kitkat.
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A lot of your complaints in this post also are not addressed in stock KitKat. Sounds more like you miss a particular custom experience.
I've heard of these webview crashes but not once had one. Which seems weird because as a software developer I abuse my phone regularly.
The encryption is more useful with malicious software or network attacks.
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One example. My vibration strength for hepatic feedback and phone ring are linked. I'd like my phone to vibrate on 100% but my key presses to be about 40%. Quick toggle shortcuts are mangled. Lockscreen notification is not on a per app basis.
Forced encryption is an unnecessary tool for most users. If your phone gets turned off after being lost a person who finds it has no owner information. Would device manager even be able to remote lock and erase?
The reason I threw in Xposed dysfunction is because it worked on 4.4. It was a reason I wanted to retreat back to my Kitkat.
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Well seems like you are the only one missing kitkat so if anything sell your nexus 6 and get you an older phone that's still running kitkat while the rest of us enjoy our lollipop.
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The hell you talking about? Lollipop has been rock solid for me. What features were removed? And if you're using Xposed, that's probably your problem-- it's an ALPHA.
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Lmao only reason i would want kit kat is for the roms.......miui for example
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Sounds more like you miss a particular custom experience.
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Exactly my point. Lollipop ain't cutting it in terms of customization.
I guess it is just me then. [emoji58] I'll just have live with it until gravity box or something of its sort comes along.
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Exactly my point. Lollipop ain't cutting it in terms of customization.
I guess it is just me then. [emoji58] I'll just have live with it until gravity box or something of its sort comes along.
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Or you could customize it yourself. Thats how most rom modders get started. What it comes down to is not that you miss Kitkat, but that you want years of development in a shorter time.
I would also like to try a kitkat rom as i still have multiple apps and games that are not compatable with Lolipop.
Surprised we haven't seen a rom. Since certain (rare) N6 actually shipped with 4.4.4
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I would also like to try a kitkat rom as i still have multiple apps and games that are not compatable with Lolipop.
Surprised we haven't seen a rom. Since certain (rare) N6 actually shipped with 4.4.4
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Yeah and they didn't work because they had been flashed with the wrong image.
http://www.droidmatters.com/news/at...ne-running-android-kitkat-wrong-model-number/
See the baseband unknown and no signal bars? Thats why nobody bothered. It wasn't Kitkat built for the Nexus 6. XT1080 is the Droid Ultra. This was an early early testing build.
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Yeah and they didn't work because they had been flashed with the wrong image.
http://www.droidmatters.com/news/at...ne-running-android-kitkat-wrong-model-number/
See the baseband unknown and no signal bars? Thats why nobody bothered. It wasn't Kitkat built for the Nexus 6. XT1080 is the Droid Ultra.
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Interesting that explains that. So guess it's not going to happen
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Interesting that explains that. So guess it's not going to happen
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Probably not. The early debug build found would have worked, if the binaries were correct. As you could see in the video and pic, the binaries were not correct. Without that as a starting point, it gets really hard to port it. Its one thing to use Kitkat binaries in Lollipop, but another to use Lollipop binaries in Kitkat.
I honestly think in every aspect, Lollipop is so much better than previous versions of Android. For once, most things follow a specific design, and even apps are following it. That is the one thing I hated about owning an Android phone, one app looks this way and another looks that way, menu coming from the left, some have a menu coming from the right, it was just all over the place. I love how sleek Lollipop looks and honestly, the stuff CM12.1 has right now is great. Maybe I'm not into customizing the crap of the phones like I used to be, maybe that's why I'm satisfied. I remember when I owned a Vibrant I'd even change the bootsounds, boot animation, font, and all this other stuff. Now, I'm content with having some customizations but having a stable ROM with great battery life is priority for me.
Lollipop blows KitKat away...
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I can't be the only one not enjoying lollipop. I feel like it's been dumbed down, had features scrubbed, just horrible experience.
Google and AOSP thrived on customization and user experience. I feel that 5.0 and 5.1 are a step away from that. I'm not even an "early adaptor" this far into the release, yet I feel like a beta tester. Random reboots, Webview crashing tons of apps, I can't use Firefox or Chrome for 10 minutes without a crash, Xposed being dysfunctional. The "interruptions" function is unintuitive. Aesthetically I feel JB and Kk were superior in almost all regards.
I support developers when I can, I want to do nothing but further the Android cause. I can't code so I "buy a beer" for the guys that can occasionally. But each day I'm less and less optimistic about androids future.
Idroid, here we come.
Am I crazy or does anyone else want their 4.4 back as much as I do?
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Those issues are definitely not normal, and I'm betting you have hardware issues as the root cause. Bad RAM, the "hard drive", or something is causing it. 5.1 has been perfect for me with none of those issues.
Hardware issues can be just as common as software. I don't know why people always blame software without even considering it to be hardware. The manufacturing process is not perfect either.
Stock is stable and user experience is what Nexus are meant to be.
I'm enjoying it. I've found cyanogenmod based roms seem to have the most customization. Benzo is really stable. I haven't owned anything besides the Turbo and the N6 since the original droid incredible days so maybe I missed the glory days of kitkat.

Recommendation(s)

Hello. I just received my new 6P, having upgraded from a 2nd Gen Moto X. Prior to that I was a flashaholic on my S4, and S2 before that. Basically, I've been out of the Custom ROM game for a while.
I'm wondering whether to root and install custom on my Nexus, with the following goals in mind:
1. I’d like to stay very, very close to stock.
2. I'd like bug free and stable.
3. Ability to increase battery life by tweaking Doze to kick in faster.
4. Keep Android Pay and Project Fi working
Any recommendations based on that criteria? I'm currently teaching overseas, so I feel like my ability to work through bugs and issues is a bit more limited than it is when I'm back in the States.
Thanks so much.
Check out Pure Nexus.. I just installed it and so far its great!
Given that you are overseas and less able to deal with potential twists and turns of rooting and ROMing... I suggest you remain stock. This is just my opinion but I think some people are diving into rooting, ROMing, launcher-ing this phone the minute they get it because they did it on their previous carrier phone before they even give the true 6P Android experience a chance. (I don't think that applies to previous Nexus owners though)
This phone is amazing in its stock form. The only thing on your list that you won't get by remaining stock is the ability to tweak doze. Doze works quite well in its stock form. If you can charge your phone every night, I wonder if you will even find that you need to tweak doze. If you have periods where you can plug it in during the day with fast charging, there is definitely no pressing reason to tweak doze.
I know this tends to be a more root/ROM forum so my opinion here may be in the minority. I just wanted to toss out one perspective.
Hope you enjoy the phone!
Yeah, that's the thing.,.. I love stock. I do miss some minor cosmetic customisation options, but for the most part, I'm not looking to blow the whole thing up like I was on my Galaxy S phones with TouchWiz. I'm definitely leaning on staying stock over here and maybe playing around with it when we come home for the summer.
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Yeah, that's the thing.,.. I love stock. I do miss some minor cosmetic customisation options, but for the most part, I'm not looking to blow the whole thing up like I was on my Galaxy S phones with TouchWiz. I'm definitely leaning on staying stock over here and maybe playing around with it when we come home for the summer.
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I would definitely unlock the bootloader before you get the phone set up and maybe apply systemless root, but then give stock a go for some time and see how you like it. Then maybe try adding some third party apps like Nova Launcher and Custom Quick Settings (the latter requires root). Stock MM is really very nice.
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I would definitely unlock the bootloader before you get the phone set up and maybe apply systemless root, but then give stock a go for some time and see how you like it. Then maybe try adding some third party apps like Nova Launcher and Custom Quick Settings (the latter requires root). Stock MM is really very nice.
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I'm assuming you say unlock the bootloader now just because it wipes everything if/when I do it later?
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I'm assuming you say unlock the bootloader now just because it wipes everything if/when I do it later?
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Yes!
Dugan1017 said:
I'm assuming you say unlock the bootloader now just because it wipes everything if/when I do it later?
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Yes, exactly. Heisenberg has a guide if you should need any help.
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I would definitely unlock the bootloader before you get the phone set up and maybe apply systemless root, but then give stock a go for some time and see how you like it. Then maybe try adding some third party apps like Nova Launcher and Custom Quick Settings (the latter requires root). Stock MM is really very nice.
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Agreed, that's what I'd suggest, too. Once rooted, you can use NapTime to tweak Doze to kick in earlier. You can't use it's "aggressive" option, as it has a bug and kills stuff like being able to download new apps from the Play Store, but you can still tweak the times to make it kick in a lot sooner.
I followed the H guide and learnt/learned new stuff. Unlocking and ROM has allowed me to access the fun little options that stock couldn't give to me.
My personal favourites are really quite small things: battery display and clock centered.
I do wonder why though Chroma and Pure nexus are so popular compared to the rest in terms of views and responses. Surely this is an indication of worth, right? Or is it simply following the masses after those Roms were first in, first to serve?
Stock rom is great. I use Xposed and a few modules to get my customization fix!

Loving this phone after flashing MM

I've been running MM for months now, currently running OctOS MM and it has been running almost flawlessly. The only issues are well documented, the video playback in Chrome and the flashlight turning off. Those things are minor in comparison to the improvements the ROM has made to the phone. It is the fastest it's ever been, nothing compared to the newer phones but snappy and very usable in everyday situations. Which to me is defined as being BT to the car while navigating and playing music. The battery life is amazing, like back to the ICS days. With Greenify's aggressive doze, there is hardly any battery drain with the screen off. I was very near to getting the Nexus 6P but now I'll definitely use this phone as my daily for another year and see what the iPhone 8 brings. I've also been running the phone naked and it just feels right. Perfect proportions! Gave my iPhone 6s to my wife a few months ago because that phone is boring to a fault. Everything just works perfectly which means no fun. Funny that I enjoy Android because it is such a POS. Lol
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So, tell me my friend...do I have a chance with non-dev SU6-7.3 to get this? Few days I was on first 4.4.4. update and didn't do the next updates and I mistouched the buttons and accidentaly updated my phone...so I did all of them. I'm really jealous of you. Always wanted the best for my MAXX. Is there any chance at least for root?
Sorry, I'm not too familiar with rooting locked phones. I'm always just one drop away from losing my unlocked bootloader. Dropped my first MAXX, which was unlocked from ICS. Send it in to Motorola before Lenovo took over and they replaced it no questions asked. The phone came with 4.4.4 and I lost my unlocked bootloader, but just before I was going to upgrade to 6-7, the bootloader unlock method came out for 4-23 and so I've been unlocked since. The MAXX is very fragile, even when everything looks fine, a good drop will damage the internals, with the rear camera going bad as the first sign. I'm running the phone naked nowadays because I'm extra careful and it feels so light and good to the hands but if I do break it, it'll be an excuse to get a Nexus 6P. I think the MAXX runs 4.4.4 great and you're not losing out on too much. 4.4.2 was the best IMO looking back. Hope you find a way to root but if not, it's still a damn good phone. I still have a backup MotoX on 4.4.4 even though it is also bootloader unlocked. If Motorola know what's good for them, they would offer unlock codes for our phones they screwed us over with LP. LP was complete junk, but it's the principle.. lol. Regardless, I'm done with Motorola as long as they are under Lenovo.
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Can you tell us where you got this ROM from? I looked on OctOS' site and didn't find DROID MAXX on their supported list.
And/or post a link to full backup of your SYSTEM partition? [I am not sure if there's phone-specific information on that partition, I believe not though since those partitions are reflashed from official and downloaded ROMs all the time.] The reason for this is because I am not sure why we can't take a BL-unlocked phone, upgrade it to LP or MM using CM or another ROM, pull it's SYSTEM partition, and flash that using the @CrashXXL method to a BL-locked phone.
I imagine there is a partition signature verification happening somewhere, but somehow the @CrashXXL method is not tripping that up with the QHS_DLOAD mode method. And I'm willing to try this backdoor method to put an LP/MM SYSTEM on the phone, because I think worst-case I could go back to SU6-7 which is where I am today. Would be in mid-June though.
I'll send a request to them to see if I can share the link to the ROM. I was running their ROM on my MotoX, made a TWRP backup and flashed it onto my MAXX. Used the 5.1 patch to activate the capacitive buttons and all was good. Shared my results with the OctOS folks and they told me, yeah, try this MAXX version they had and been running it since. It is not in the main OctOS website and I don't want to share it without asking them first, standby.
The OctOS ROM also includes KernelAdiutor and I just started playing with the Low Memory Killer and think I stumbled onto something. Right now in Aggressive setting and it is multitasking like a champ, where before it would still stumble and stutter, it is smooth as butter. I have it BT'd to my Bose Mini, playing YouTube Music, Waze, posted on Facebook and now typing this post on Tapatalk and smooth as butter. The phone has never run this smooth at anytime before and running that many app would have likely killed the phone by now. Amazing. So it may be a memory management issue more so than the fact that the MAXX only has a dual core processor. Something to look into. I'm not holding my breath, the real test will be when I drive to work, as the car's BT seems to tax the phone heavily.
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Johnny Wong said:
I'll send a request to them to see if I can share the link to the ROM. I was running their ROM on my MotoX, made a TWRP backup and flashed it onto my MAXX. Used the 5.1 patch to activate the capacitive buttons and all was good. Shared my results with the OctOS folks and they told me, yeah, try this MAXX version they had and been running it since. It is not in the main OctOS website and I don't want to share it without asking them first, standby.
The OctOS ROM also includes KernelAdiutor and I just started playing with the Low Memory Killer and think I stumbled onto something. Right now in Aggressive setting and it is multitasking like a champ, where before it would still stumble and stutter, it is smooth as butter. I have it BT'd to my Bose Mini, playing YouTube Music, Waze, posted on Facebook and now typing this post on Tapatalk and smooth as butter. The phone has never run this smooth at anytime before and running that many app would have likely killed the phone by now. Amazing. So it may be a memory management issue more so than the fact that the MAXX only has a dual core processor. Something to look into. I'm not holding my breath, the real test will be when I drive to work, as the car's BT seems to tax the phone heavily.
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Sounds good, I appreciate it and please keep me posted.
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Sounds good, I appreciate it and please keep me posted.
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Here's the link to the ROM. It is not supported, so use at your own risk. With that being said, I've been using the ROM for months. Just discovered a bug where if you try to make a call while BT'd to the car, it will crash. Never noticed it until over the weekend because I've been receiving calls just fine. Might just be a permission issue. Haven't looked into it yet.
https://basketbuild.com/devs/Team_Octos/private/moto
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Said I was never going to buy anything Motorola post Lenovo but couldn't help myself.
Have it synced to both my MotoX and my MAXX by fooling the watch into thinking it is the same phone. Did that by flashing a MotoX TWRP backup to the MAXX. I need to fix the Tapatalk sig to read sent from my MAXX...
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Johnny Wong said:
Here's the link to the ROM. It is not supported, so use at your own risk. With that being said, I've been using the ROM for months. Just discovered a bug where if you try to make a call while BT'd to the car, it will crash. Never noticed it until over the weekend because I've been receiving calls just fine. Might just be a permission issue. Haven't looked into it yet.
https://basketbuild.com/devs/Team_Octos/private/moto
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Thanks for the tip! This rom really seems excellent. However, there is usually no in-call sound either way when I'm receiving a call! When I initate the call, it's all OK. Out of 3 different callers, I only had one that had a voice connection.
Anyone experiencing the same?
UPDATE: a zip for Moto X from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/development/aosp-audio-fix-ghost-t3380744 seems to have solved the issue. Needs testing though.
I had to go back to LP after discovering that BT is not working correctly when synced to my cars. As soon as I try to make a call, the phone freezes and then reboots. Other than that, the ROM was perfect. Hopefully they will resolve the issue in a future build but for now, I flashed back to OctOS's final build of LP 5.1.1 for the MotoX. This is only the first day back with LP and I already ran into the cell standby battery drain (don't know if it is actually a drain or if it is just reporting wrong) and I'm missing some of the MM features such as the integrated search function. Oh well, that itch to get a Nexus 6p is coming back again and the price is pretty competitive too. So tempting....
I ended up going back to 5.1.1 (DU's 9.8).
The long-standing marshmallow bug of statusbar scrolldown speed (when triggered by an external event, not direct pulldown) is not fixed and really annoying.
Sound was reproducibly fixed by the AOSP patch though.
Yeah, it's too bad no one has cracked the code on some of those MM bugs. If someone can port Now on Tap to LP I would be set. That and Doze. Pretty happy right now with 5.1.1, looks like it has been polished up quite a bit since the last time I ran it. Might have to give DU a try to see if it has the same cell standby battery bug. OctOS never closed out Obake with a final LP build so I'm forced to run the MotoX version. Not bad minus the fact that my capacitive buttons are at full brightness with the MotoX LP 5.1 patch.
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Tried DU LP with high expectations but couldn't get it to work at all. From first boot up, it was already experiencing random restarts. Probably did something wrong, but I did a full wipe minus internal memory before install. Anyway, restored to OctOS M6 LP, and have been running it for a week. The ROM started to slow down, with random choppiness and was hit with the radio standby bug even with the MobileRadioActiveFix xposed module installed. Was not a happy camper to the point I ordered a One plus 3 but then soon realized it won't work on Verizon (epic fail), don't know how I overlooked that. Anyway, have to return that phone when it arrives but that's a whole different story. Back to the MAXX, went to the MotoX forums and read up on Tycoo's kernel for CM12 and decided to give it a shot. Now it's only been a day but so far, it is running flawlessly. Better than even when I was on MM. Overclocked to 1890mhz, intelliactive, intelliplug, Zen I/o, and other recommended settings such as Zram at 320mb equals a snappy new phone! Don't really care about battery life but the MotoX guys claim 5hr SOT with those settings which means the MAXX would easily do that and more. Will report back, definitely recommend!! Also, I highly recommend the snapdragon camera, it is by far the fastest camera available for our phone.
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Which ROM is best for me: had CM11 on N5, just got N6p

I recently got a Nexus 6p. I was very happy with CyanogenMod 11 on my Nexus 5, and the various features that it offered, aside from the occasional bug here or there. Can anyone please tell me which custom ROM for a Nexus 6p (currently running the latest stock ROM 6.0.1) would be most like the CM 11 ROM on the Nexus 5, but for the Nexus 6p, with the added features of the most current stock marshmallow ROM build? I was considering Resurrection Remix. But from the installation instructions I found, it seems like I need to be on lollipop in order to install it?
Thank you for any information or advice anyone can offer!
If you have had a Nexus 5 and you stayed under kitkat (CM11) until now then I recommend you to keep the stock software.
I would just go straight to N Preview 3. Works like a charm for me.
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If you have had a Nexus 5 and you stayed under kitkat (CM11) until now then I recommend you to keep the stock software.
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Um... thanks? Not sure why you would suggest that (if it's even a serious suggestion and you're not just trying to be a smart-ass).
Stock marshmallow clearly has far fewer customizations and offers way less in the way of quick management features. I stuck with CM11 because it did everything I needed, and for the most part, I didn't have to do any upgrading after that because any issues I encountered were tolerable. One of my favorite features of CM11 was the customization of the quick launch notification bar. The marshmallow notification pull down shortcuts are heavily lacking.
Also, the auto brightness on stock marshmallow is terrible. I regularly need to adjust the brightness level manually in order for the automatic brightness to make the screen either dim enough, in dark areas, or bright enough, when outside in daylight.
I also really dislike all of the black text on white background menus for everything. Would much rather have a dark theme. And not having the ability to customize quite a few other features is very frustrating after being accustomed to the numerous customizations that CM11 offered.
If anyone else has any legitimate and helpful advice or information on a good custom ROM that offers these features, customizations, or improvements, please let me know.
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Um... thanks? Not sure why you would suggest that (if it's even a serious suggestion and you're not just trying to be a smart-ass).
Stock marshmallow clearly has far fewer customizations and offers way less in the way of quick management features. I stuck with CM11 because it did everything I needed, and for the most part, I didn't have to do any upgrading after that because any issues I encountered were tolerable. One of my favorite features of CM11 was the customization of the quick launch notification bar. The marshmallow notification pull down shortcuts are heavily lacking.
Also, the auto brightness on stock marshmallow is terrible. I regularly need to adjust the brightness level manually in order for the automatic brightness to make the screen either dim enough, in dark areas, or bright enough, when outside in daylight.
I also really dislike all of the black text on white background menus for everything. Would much rather have a dark theme. And not having the ability to customize quite a few other features is very frustrating after being accustomed to the numerous customizations that CM11 offered.
If anyone else has any legitimate and helpful advice or information on a good custom ROM that offers these features, customizations, or improvements, please let me know.
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he told to stay in stock as you didnt update to cm13 on n5.... btw you may try dirty unicorn. i tried using cm on n6p but i found it buggy so moved on to dirty unicorn, stable so far.
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Um... thanks? Not sure why you would suggest that (if it's even a serious suggestion and you're not just trying to be a smart-ass).
Stock marshmallow clearly has far fewer customizations and offers way less in the way of quick management features. I stuck with CM11 because it did everything I needed, and for the most part, I didn't have to do any upgrading after that because any issues I encountered were tolerable. One of my favorite features of CM11 was the customization of the quick launch notification bar. The marshmallow notification pull down shortcuts are heavily lacking.
Also, the auto brightness on stock marshmallow is terrible. I regularly need to adjust the brightness level manually in order for the automatic brightness to make the screen either dim enough, in dark areas, or bright enough, when outside in daylight.
I also really dislike all of the black text on white background menus for everything. Would much rather have a dark theme. And not having the ability to customize quite a few other features is very frustrating after being accustomed to the numerous customizations that CM11 offered.
If anyone else has any legitimate and helpful advice or information on a good custom ROM that offers these features, customizations, or improvements, please let me know.
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I wasn't trying to play a role. I thought you didn't know how to upgrade and that's why you stayed with an outdated software for so long. IMHO running CM11 is not the wisest idea if you value security - when was the last update BTW?
If you're happy with CM then go with CM13.
This is clearly a cleverly disguised comparison thread. Which are against the rules.
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ar21;67169820]I wasn't trying to play a role. I thought you didn't know how to upgrade and that's why you stayed with an outdated software for so long. IMHO running CM11 is not the wisest idea if you value security - when was the last update BTW?
If you're happy with CM then go with CM13.[/QUOTE]
No, I knew how to upgrade. I just had enough working properly with my phone that I stopped upgrading the OS and pretty much any app unless I saw some great value or feature to be added with an upgrade. Security updates typically don't concern me as I don't do much with my phone that security is much of an issue. I'm far more concerned with stability. And in my years of working as a sound designer and audio/music engineer, I've learned that upgrades can often be far more of a headache than they are worth. Many audio engineers still use software from a decade ago just because it works for everything they need it to do and doesn't cause any problems. Just one small example: after recently getting a Motorola 360 SmartWatch, I was forced to upgrade several Google apps on my N5, which resulted in a number of undesired behaviors and changes, new bugs, and features that actually worked a lot worse than before, such as Google's voice to text feature. I used to have no problem with it properly recognizing my speech and translating my dictation to text. But ever since that was upgraded, it has been riddled with problems, like often inserting the wrong word (something that sounds almost nothing like what I said), inserting the word "comma" or "Kama" instead of an actual ",", randomly capitalizing words in the middle of sentences, and persistently failing to do a number of other things properly. And I know that this wasn't the result of running an older OS because I still experience the same frustrating behavior with the voice to text feature on my Nexus 6p right OOTB with the latest stock marshmallow build.
Another annoying "upgrade" is the change to how editing text works. It used to be a long press on text would show all the options to select all, copy, cut, or paste across the top of the screen. But now instead get a pop-up menu that requires an additional click to show the option to select all, and then after doing so the menu changes (in this forum at least) to show select all, assist, translate, and what looks like a backspace (that I can only assume will delete everything I have selected). Yet another chapter in the book of "how to fail in releasing updates".
superchilpil said:
This is clearly a cleverly disguised comparison thread. Which are against the rules.
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I'm not trying to make any comparisons between ROMs. Just trying to figure out which one has the features that I want for my Nexus 6p, and would be the best to install based on my current stock OS, since as far as I could from reading the installation instructions, Resurrection Remix would require me to be running a different OS in order to do the installation.
I've been running cm13 since I got my 6p. No problems at all. If you want to avoid any instabilities then stick to the CM13 snapshot builds.
I don't know if you've tries CM13 but it has many awesome features. A lot of improvements to the notification toggles as well.
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omvir said:
I've been running cm13 since I got my 6p. No problems at all. If you want to avoid any instabilities then stick to the CM13 snapshot builds.
I don't know if you've tries CM13 but it has many awesome features. A lot of improvements to the notification toggles as well.
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Okay cool. That's sort of what I was hoping to hear. I generally tend to stick with what I know and what works once I find something. Was just concerned about the newer version being stable. Was hoping I get some honest feedback about it without fishing for it directly.

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