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I've been playing with this tablet for about a day now and I must say, I don't think I've ever had the feeling that I didn't need to Root for any reason, but this tablet just works so well out of the box that I'm not missing anything in terms of performance or applications.
I was just wondering if anyone decided to forgo the flashing/rooting/roming process because the tablet just works.
Amen brother. So good out of the box... Just tasted Google Play Music as well... Wow! Almost don't even need Nova Launcher with stock JB 4.3 haha I might not bother rooting this time round unless something really uber comes along
Well I do think it is very nice out the box. Smooth and snappy. So, yes stock is good enough for me right now. I have root and recovery, so if some custom rom comes along and it looks interesting, I may try it out. However, until that image is released, everybody is going to be pretty close to stock. The only thing I don't like is the toggles/tiles don't work like they should. I tap the wifi tile and it opens the settings for wifi, not turn it on. Not a big deal tho...
Nope. I need the custom re-boot menu and quiet hours and I can no longer live without Pie.
THe stock worked perfectly tho. I had no issues at all.
Gotta have root for the six axis app so I can game it up with my ps3 c controller
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Grievance said:
Amen brother. So good out of the box... Just tasted Google Play Music as well... Wow! Almost don't even need Nova Launcher with stock JB 4.3 haha I might not bother rooting this time round unless something really uber comes along
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I ended up installing Action Launcher just to have those shutters and widgets
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I ended up installing Action Launcher just to have those shutters and widgets
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Action Launcher doesn't count in this discussion, personally. It's basically good enough to kick the tar out of launchers on just about any framework you'll ever find (although it does look a tad out of place on my otherwise Sense-running HTC One).
Mostly yes, but I still root because I enjoy using Greenify and there are some other behaviors that require more permissions than stock Android will give us. The inclusion of the app permission manager though is quite wonderful.
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The only thing I don't like is the toggles/tiles don't work like they should. I tap the wifi tile and it opens the settings for wifi, not turn it on. Not a big deal tho...
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Long hold. They reversed the behavior from 4.2. Short tap = settings, Long tap = toggle on/off. Quite honestly, I prefer it in the 4.3 way better. I really don't turn off WiFi or Bluetooth, and having to go settings -> wireless -> bluetooth to get to the bluetooth settings was a bit much.
I root for the couple of apps that need it, but I run stock otherwise. Did on my original N7 as well.
No stuck sucks..... waste...
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No stuck sucks..... waste...
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Thank you for that brilliantly enlightening post.
I am happy with my stock setup right now. I am unlocked and rooted though. I also tried a couple of kernels but I am back to stock kernel. Same with ROMs. I will continue trying new ROMs but will keep using stock for now. My ultimate ROM will be a stable/clean ROM with Tablet UI.
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Thanks. You are a shining example of conversational excellence.
Stock rom will be good enough until all if not all issues are resolved with the CM. Till then, ijust have my N7 rooted for titanium back up and other misc apps that require root.
Stock is good enough for my needs, but I installed CM anyway just to get that little extra
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Running stock + Root + Extra Power Menu
At least right now that is good enough since its so quick. I'd like to try out other roms or have a good kernel but going to wait til more testing is done with what is out there and get some of the bugs worked out as I've tried them but get mixed results for performance and stability. Right now stability is key and performance is very good as is stock, but more is always better, in due time
I find I miss the little things CM had. For example when downloading. In stock the arrow stays there constantly lit, it doesn't do the animation.
Thing is, it might look and feel smooth, but it can always get better. Rooting and custom ROMS just simply allow the further enhancements, customization, smoothness, and potential to save battery life. I really don't see any reason not to Root/use custom ROMS for any case as long as your comfortable with the process. Maybe if the device was used for business i could understand that maybe, but for personal usage why not take advantage of whats out there instead of settling for less? It's not like it voids your warranty anyways when you can always restore it to stock before turning it in.
To be honest I cant see how anyone can live without some of the great things that require root
Linaro/03 optimized kernels
Overclocking
PER APP DPI
Trickstermod
Rom Toolbox
Lux autobrightnes (If you read books on this puppy it's a must)
Fully featured equalizer - seriously this needs to be universal on all devices
SD Maid
Titanium backup
Custom toggles, and AOKP ribbon controls
Custom boot animations
...Stickmount (don't you need root for this?)
And thats just off the top of my head stuff that I personally use all the time. So I guess most of that stuff could be run on a "stock" setup, but where is the fun in that. What is the point in investing in suck an awesome dev device, and not loading up on the fantastic tools that have been made possible through the hard work of XDA's members?
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I find I miss the little things CM had. For example when downloading. In stock the arrow stays there constantly lit, it doesn't do the animation.
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Try a different browser, dolphin is awesome, and shows you tons of details when you download files. The notification icon itself is very unobtrusive.
Except that recent versions of dolphin have made it horribad. I found it so slow as to be unusable and have moved to chrome. Dolphin also force quits on my phone all the time for no apparent reason. Used to love it.
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Bit of background....
Was never much a fan of android and had just about every iphone from day dot right up until the iphone 5.
I'd Jailbroke all the way through with each device, a lot of tweaks, modding etc.
Started to get very bored of the whole iphone thing but ended up losing it anyway (left it on a train)
That's what made me think, why not try something different? So claimed on my insurance and went for a Galaxy S3.
NEVER MISSED MY IPHONE ONCE. How android has improved over the years.
Loved the functionality of the S3, although not the build so much. Had it rooted with CM, gravity box, adaway and that was me happy.
Was very excited to wait for the M8 and upgraded as soon as it came out, wasn't disappointed, LOVE IT!
Fantastic build quality, great looks, great spec. Could hardly fault it anywhere.
Decided to jump in and root it to get some of my favourite things.... That's where my disappointment began
Unlike the Samsung, everything seems really difficult to achieve, some things impossible.
Unlocking the boot loader is a fairly long process but it was fairly straight forward... Job done
Rooting, fairly straight forward... Job done
HERES WHERE THE NOT SO FUN PARTS STARTS...
Adaway, kinda works but not. Keep having problems with it being disabled on boot up and not being able to copy host files
From my research it seems to be a problem with s-off not being active although I'm not sure?
Tried the s-off process and at the end was told it won't work on my device, no one seems to know exactly why?
Another app I wanted was gsam battery, again... Kinda works but not. Standard stats work but more advanced won't.
Tried the root companion, can't get that to work at all.
Something else I really wanted was gravity box through xposed. That won't work with sense.
In order to get that I believe I have to flash another rom that dos'nt have sense, think that only leaves the google play edition rom?
That I believe also loses me blinkfeed and ultra power saver which are both pretty good.
Not sure if I need s-off for that, if I do I can't get it anyway
May main reason for root was for gravity box and adaway, one of which I kinda have and one I don't have at all.
So overall, very disappointed now
Just thought I'd share my experience as it might help others decide on purchase choices.
Also if anyone has any tips to get around my issues I'd really appreciate it
its for those reasons i now leave my phones stock. i used to customise my windows phones to get them to work but since switching to android i just use them and update the stock software when they become available. i also have an m8 and i have only installed gsam, chrome and epson printer apps. that is all i have needed so far. i seem to be able to do everything i need to do without any more apps installed. i had a htc one x previous and sensation before that and had so much stuff on them that they were litterely full of apps. i will probably end up adding heaps of apps as time goes on but the stock setup on the m8 is very powerful and capable (not to mention fast). i would recommend just installing the stock rom back and use it for a while. is there really any advantage to rooting these anyway.
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its for those reasons i now leave my phones stock. i used to customise my windows phones to get them to work but since switching to android i just use them and update the stock software when they become available. i also have an m8 and i have only installed gsam, chrome and epson printer apps. that is all i have needed so far. i seem to be able to do everything i need to do without any more apps installed. i had a htc one x previous and sensation before that and had so much stuff on them that they were litterely full of apps. i will probably end up adding heaps of apps as time goes on but the stock setup on the m8 is very powerful and capable (not to mention fast). i would recommend just installing the stock rom back and use it for a while. is there really any advantage to rooting these anyway.
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Xposed framework would be a huge advantage to me to get rid of annoying things, some small some not so small.
Even the volume warning really annoys me, there's no way to disable it without xposed working
Also on my s3 I moved the close all apps button to bottom left, much easier for me being a lefty
Hi, ads can be blocked through modified hosts file (you can search how to do that). Have you tried a custom ROM with root already done. I use Venom and have always used adaway, both s-on and s-off with no issues.
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bah77 said:
Bit of background....
Was never much a fan of android and had just about every iphone from day dot right up until the iphone 5.
I'd Jailbroke all the way through with each device, a lot of tweaks, modding etc.
Started to get very bored of the whole iphone thing but ended up losing it anyway (left it on a train)
That's what made me think, why not try something different? So claimed on my insurance and went for a Galaxy S3.
NEVER MISSED MY IPHONE ONCE. How android has improved over the years.
Loved the functionality of the S3, although not the build so much. Had it rooted with CM, gravity box, adaway and that was me happy.
Was very excited to wait for the M8 and upgraded as soon as it came out, wasn't disappointed, LOVE IT!
Fantastic build quality, great looks, great spec. Could hardly fault it anywhere.
Decided to jump in and root it to get some of my favourite things.... That's where my disappointment began
Unlike the Samsung, everything seems really difficult to achieve, some things impossible.
Unlocking the boot loader is a fairly long process but it was fairly straight forward... Job done
Rooting, fairly straight forward... Job done
HERES WHERE THE NOT SO FUN PARTS STARTS...
Adaway, kinda works but not. Keep having problems with it being disabled on boot up and not being able to copy host files
From my research it seems to be a problem with s-off not being active although I'm not sure?
Tried the s-off process and at the end was told it won't work on my device, no one seems to know exactly why?
Another app I wanted was gsam battery, again... Kinda works but not. Standard stats work but more advanced won't.
Tried the root companion, can't get that to work at all.
Something else I really wanted was gravity box through xposed. That won't work with sense.
In order to get that I believe I have to flash another rom that dos'nt have sense, think that only leaves the google play edition rom?
That I believe also loses me blinkfeed and ultra power saver which are both pretty good.
Not sure if I need s-off for that, if I do I can't get it anyway
May main reason for root was for gravity box and adaway, one of which I kinda have and one I don't have at all.
So overall, very disappointed now
Just thought I'd share my experience as it might help others decide on purchase choices.
Also if anyone has any tips to get around my issues I'd really appreciate it
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Sorry but i dont understand what problems you actually have or what you done/expect from your phone
Adaway and GSAM battery stats works perfectly on all custom roms for M8 without issues.
And roms like our Viper ONE M8 provides endless customization and tweaking options, can you tell me what can you do with that gravity that you cant in viper rom?
Gravity Box wouldn't work on a Sense based rom anyways. I think the main source of your issues is the lack of research (user error).
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Gravity Box wouldn't work on a Sense based rom anyways. I think the main source of your issues is the lack of research (user error).
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What parts don't? I haven't gone incredibly far into GB, but the NavBar tweaks worked for me and I'm on Viper, a Sense-based Rom.
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Sorry but i dont understand what problems you actually have or what you done/expect from your phone
Adaway and GSAM battery stats works perfectly on all custom roms for M8 without issues.
And roms like our Viper ONE M8 provides endless customization and tweaking options, can you tell me what can you do with that gravity that you cant in viper rom?
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I've been looking at viper actually, considering flashing tonight
I mainly wanted to move the close all apps button to the bottom left rather than top right
Stop the volume warning popping up when increasing volume
Have the pull down go straight into settings rather then having to use 2 fingers
I had all that through gravity box on my s3.
I'm guessing they won't all be on viper but as viper isn't sense gravity box should work anyway, is that right?
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I've been looking at viper actually, considering flashing tonight
I mainly wanted to move the close all apps button to the bottom left rather than top right
Stop the volume warning popping up when increasing volume
Have the pull down go straight into settings rather then having to use 2 fingers
I had all that through gravity box on my s3.
I'm guessing they won't all be on viper but as viper isn't sense gravity box should work anyway, is that right?
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First off: Sense isn't TouchWiz. All features of GravityBox which work on TouchWiz or AOSP wont always work on Sense.
Plus, Sense 6.0 is still VERY fresh and the devs of GB and similar are still looking into what can be done on Sense and what not.
Viper is already heavily customizable and may already feature most of the things you want. Then there is always GPE which replaces Sense with Vanilla Android most GravityBox features will work with - Tho you need to know that some exclusive features like a couple of camera things, dot view etc wont work as extensive as on Sense anymore.
Its all a matter of what you really need and what you really wanna do. I for one prefer to stick to Sense which is mostly stock (InsertCoin) with some customizable settings - keeps the system cleaner and snappier IMO.
You decide :good:
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First off: Sense isn't TouchWiz. All features of GravityBox which work on TouchWiz or AOSP wont always work on Sense.
Plus, Sense 6.0 is still VERY fresh and the devs of GB and similar are still looking into what can be done on Sense and what not.
Viper is already heavily customizable and may already feature most of the things you want. Then there is always GPE which replaces Sense with Vanilla Android most GravityBox features will work with - Tho you need to know that some exclusive features like a couple of camera things, dot view etc wont work as extensive as on Sense anymore.
Its all a matter of what you really need and what you really wanna do. I for one prefer to stick to Sense which is mostly stock (InsertCoin) with some customizable settings - keeps the system cleaner and snappier IMO.
You decide :good:
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Many thanks for the response, I will have a look into the different roms more over the weekend
I guess I was too naive, only on my 2nd ever android phone and that's from a hell of a lot of phones I've owned in the past
I guess I was thinking along the lines of a one android fits all but that's quite clearly not the case, there are lots of differences between one android phone to another
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Many thanks for the response, I will have a look into the different roms more over the weekend
I guess I was too naive, only on my 2nd ever android phone and that's from a hell of a lot of phones I've owned in the past
I guess I was thinking along the lines of a one android fits all but that's quite clearly not the case, there are lots of differences between one android phone to another
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Hehe well yeah, every Android phone can be quite different to each other. Its with the hardware already. On the iDevices, its all streamlined and almost everything will work on the different iPhones. Its convenient, but nothing for me - I am a modder and toy around alot, and thats where Android kicks in.
Some things on Android can be annoying, since there are much more differences in Hardware and Software among all the devices running Android, but it actually can be quite interesting to see what all the talented Android Developers come up with.
I hope you find what you are looking for. The M8 is a hell of a great device and dispite of being so new, alot of customizations are already possible.
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Gravity Box wouldn't work on a Sense based rom anyways. I think the main source of your issues is the lack of research (user error).
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Wrong, working just great with my SENSE rom.
Thread closed as it is an off-topic thread.
Ghost
Hello,
This is my first nexus, getting it tomorrow (12th) really looking forward to it, got the graphite one (getting a case so doesn't matter to me)
Im quite excited about the development, it looks quite busy which is great, I'd just like to ask if anyone has any screen off animations, like the CRT effect or the s6 slide to the edge animation, I'm pretty sure xposed provides these but I'd like to avoid that if possible.
I'll be rooting day one as I've always done on my phones and then off on the hunt for a rom.. Glad to be a part of the nexus gang for once, hope it's as good as I've heard..
Second question was list view animations, again I'm aware that there are xposed mods XUI mod which can do these for me, but again I'd like to avoid them.. I think there will be some roms with this feature baked in but thought I'd ask anyway just incase there isn't..
Thanks chaps.
dladz said:
Hello,
This is my first nexus, getting it tomorrow (12th) really looking forward to it, got the graphite one (getting a case so doesn't matter to me)
Im quite excited about the development, it looks quite busy which is great, I'd just like to ask if anyone has any screen off animations, like the CRT effect or the s6 slide to the edge animation, I'm pretty sure xposed provides these but I'd like to avoid that if possible.
I'll be rooting day one as I've always done on my phones and then off on the hunt for a rom.. Glad to be a part of the nexus gang for once, hope it's as good as I've heard..
Second question was list view animations, again I'm aware that there are xposed mods XUI mod which can do these for me, but again I'd like to avoid them.. I think there will be some roms with this feature baked in but thought I'd ask anyway just incase there isn't..
Thanks chaps.
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sorry I have no idea about the screen off animation, didn't look at it tbh but mind if I ask why would you avoid xposed if you will root?
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sorry I have no idea about the screen off animation, didn't look at it tbh but mind if I ask why would you avoid xposed if you will root?
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Not OP, but I've also been avoiding xposed. My impression is that I've seen enough negative comments about unpredictable behavior when paired with Franco Kernel, I think Franco himself may have even commented on it, and if I have to choose between the two I'm going with FK. I wish xposed could be super stable and compatible and predictable though, because I'm dying for some of it's features and I don't want to leave the stock ROM.
ALSO, it wasn't immediately apparent the requirements for using it, and the processes to install it (there are multiple parts, right? there used to be), and where we go for an aggregated list of mods like Cydia on iOS. Seemed like too much work for too much potential buginess.
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Not OP, but I've also been avoiding xposed. My impression is that I've seen enough negative comments about unpredictable behavior when paired with Franco Kernel, I think Franco himself may have even commented on it, and if I have to choose between the two I'm going with FK. I wish xposed could be super stable and compatible and predictable though, because I'm dying for some of it's features and I don't want to leave the stock ROM.
ALSO, it wasn't immediately apparent the requirements for using it, and the processes to install it (there are multiple parts, right? there used to be), and where we go for an aggregated list of mods like Cydia on iOS. Seemed like too much work for too much potential buginess.
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Can't speak to the Franco kernel but I have used Xposed with Kylo, stock and God's kernel and have never had one issue with Xposed. You have to flash the installer with TWRP but otherwise its super easy.
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sorry I have no idea about the screen off animation, didn't look at it tbh but mind if I ask why would you avoid xposed if you will root?
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Its a fair question, and the answer is unpredictable battery drain, extremely poorly updated and Un optimized mods, obviously not all of them but a lot.
As I said in the OP the list view animation has been done, I've had it on CandyRom on my M9, it works really well but I haven't seen a screen off animation since kit kat, the stock animation now is to fade away, if you slow down animations within development settings you'll see it on locking your phone. I'd just like a one time mod to be able to alter that to something else.
Once you've got it on your phone you like it and get used to it then you miss it when it's not there.
Personally I would like to avoid xposed, it does have a negative impact on your battery for that I'm sure.
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Can't speak to the Franco kernel but I have used Xposed with Kylo, stock and God's kernel and have never had one issue with Xposed. You have to flash the installer with TWRP but otherwise its super easy.
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I actually wrote a tutorial on how to install xposed and the two above modules however after doing this and living with it vs not having xposed, same apps same rom. There was a huge difference in battery performance, hence why I'd like to avoid xposed altogether.
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Not OP, but I've also been avoiding xposed. My impression is that I've seen enough negative comments about unpredictable behavior when paired with Franco Kernel, I think Franco himself may have even commented on it, and if I have to choose between the two I'm going with FK. I wish xposed could be super stable and compatible and predictable though, because I'm dying for some of it's features and I don't want to leave the stock ROM.
ALSO, it wasn't immediately apparent the requirements for using it, and the processes to install it (there are multiple parts, right? there used to be), and where we go for an aggregated list of mods like Cydia on iOS. Seemed like too much work for too much potential buginess.
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This is part of my problem too. If there are stand alone mods I'd prefer them over xposed.
Its like having the Facebook messenger app when the original Facebook app was more than enough, why have two apps when 1 will do.
There used to be stand alone mods for older devices, I'm not sure if it's possible any more or its just because there's less demand for it, but I always ask when I get a new phone.
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I actually wrote a tutorial on how to install xposed and the two above modules however after doing this and living with it vs not having xposed, same apps same rom. There was a huge difference in battery performance, hence why I'd like to avoid xposed altogether.
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Interesting. Definitely not my experience... I have used Xposed from the start and get about 5 hours SOT as a standard with WiFi, cellular and GPS on all day (solid signal in NYC). Are you getting significantly more than 5 hours SOT without Xposed?
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Its a fair question, and the answer is unpredictable battery drain, extremely poorly updated and Un optimized mods, obviously not all of them but a lot.
As I said in the OP the list view animation has been done, I've had it on CandyRom on my M9, it works really well but I haven't seen a screen off animation since kit kat, the stock animation now is to fade away, if you slow down animations within development settings you'll see it on locking your phone. I'd just like a one time mod to be able to alter that to something else.
Once you've got it on your phone you like it and get used to it then you miss it when it's not there.
Personally I would like to avoid xposed, it does have a negative impact on your battery for that I'm sure.
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I haven't noticed any difference in battery after installing xposed. I'm running on the stock rom/kernal with 0 issues. I use xposed for Gravity box , gesture nav, greenify, and youtube background playback. Maybe it's something with the modules you've downloaded.
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I haven't noticed any difference in battery after installing xposed. I'm running on the stock rom/kernal with 0 issues. I use xposed for Gravity box , gesture nav, greenify, and youtube background playback. Maybe it's something with the modules you've downloaded.
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Perhaps, but the point is, if you could have the modifications which you've obtained through xposed without actually using an exploit like xposed, would you? I think you would.
This is what i'm looking for.
PS: Just got my 6P and i have to say it's one good looking phone, coming from the M9 too, it's very nice, i'm happy with it up to now for sure.
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Interesting. Definitely not my experience... I have used Xposed from the start and get about 5 hours SOT as a standard with WiFi, cellular and GPS on all day (solid signal in NYC). Are you getting significantly more than 5 hours SOT without Xposed?
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I also don't want to spark a debate here as it's besides the point of what i originally asked, xposed is an app that allows mods, i personally given the chance would prefer to have the mods on their own, i know they can be done as i've seen them on previous devices (see my phone list below)
Just want to know if they exist on this device ? As it's a nexus i'd assumed that it was one of the most modded types of android out there.
Either way i'm more than happy with the device, it's a nice bit of kit.
Just my two cents here though to settle what you'd asked me, do i notice better battery without xposed, well yes i have noticed it to be better, a clean flash and then back to a normal rom and battery has been better.
There are many benefits to being without xposed, bug reporting for one, if you have xposed you can't bug report as it invalidates it, for me battery has been substandard with it, so i'm hoping with this phone i can avoid it and get the mods in a flashable zip.
Hoping
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I also don't want to spark a debate here as it's besides the point of what i originally asked, xposed is an app that allows mods, i personally given the chance would prefer to have the mods on their own, i know they can be done as i've seen them on previous devices (see my phone list below)
Just want to know if they exist on this device ? As it's a nexus i'd assumed that it was one of the most modded types of android out there.
Either way i'm more than happy with the device, it's a nice bit of kit.
Just my two cents here though to settle what you'd asked me, do i notice better battery without xposed, well yes i have noticed it to be better, a clean flash and then back to a normal rom and battery has been better.
There are many benefits to being without xposed, bug reporting for one, if you have xposed you can't bug report as it invalidates it, for me battery has been substandard with it, so i'm hoping with this phone i can avoid it and get the mods in a flashable zip.
Hoping
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No worries...was more curious about your experience. If you were getting 8 hours SOT or something i would drop Xposed like a hot rock haha. I normally would go the ROM route but I have to use Airwatch for work and every ROM I tried made the device show as compromised.
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No worries...was more curious about your experience. If you were getting 8 hours SOT or something i would drop Xposed like a hot rock haha. I normally would go the ROM route but I have to use Airwatch for work and every ROM I tried made the device show as compromised.
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What about using an older version of the app, that's how I use my banking app, the new one won't work but a few versions before and its all good.
Try it , might be OK.
I never measured screen on time, I measure by days, and events during the day, like how much battery on the way home, similar usage but xposed used more, from what I saw.
Hello all. I haven't poked or prodded, or gone "under the hood" since I picked up the Nexus 6P at launch. I started to have problems with battery life when the Nougat betas started rolling out. So I jumped to the OnePlus 3T. Things are better, but I still miss the actual Google experience. I'm curious if it would be possible to mod the 6P to give me all the things I want. Below is my list. Let me know if it's possible, please, and I'll try to figure it out on my own. A lot has changed since my Nexus 5...
First, I'd like to modify the build prop to where I can get access to the pixel launcher directly from the play store. I know this is easy, but I'm not sure if it will work with the other wishes.
Second, I'd like to be able to run with Franco's kernel. I think this would greatly help my battery life issues.
I'd like to be able to keep Android pay, as I see it as a huge security benefit (plus, I'm trying to get down to just my phone and keys, no wallet).
Lastly, if possible, I'd like to relock the bootloader. I know this one isn't very likely, but like I said, it's a wish list of sorts.
Any and all advice is appreciated!
Based on your needs, sound like keeping your phone running on stock unrooted is the best idea. You can just install the pixel launcher from apkmirror.
Magisk is able to hide root and let you retain the ability to use Android pay, for now. In the future, it may not be able to and you would need to be on stock for it the work. You'll get updates without the headache of having to use a computer or flash different recoveries just to update.
In terms of battery, a 3450mah battery in a nonbloated phone should be yielding you good battery life. If not, check for a rogue app.
Rooting and modding isn't the same as it was in '09, it's gotten to the point where it's just more of a hassle and headache just to get it running as it should/properly. Android has gone a long way in terms of security measures which is a huge plus but it also hurts the modding ability at the same time.
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You would need to be rooted to use a custom kernel and you can't have a locked bootloader and be rooted on the 6P. If you want to use Android Pay on a rooted phone Magidisc and PhilsSU are the only options that I know of. You will get better battery life with Franco's kernel but it will never be great on this phone. Can't the one plus 3 be modded to give you a more Google experience? I read that the developer activity was very active with that phone.
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You would need to be rooted to use a custom kernel and you can't have a locked bootloader and be rooted on the 6P. If you want to use Android Pay on a rooted phone Magidisc and PhilsSU are the only options that I know of. You will get better battery life with Franco's kernel but it will never be great on this phone. Can't the one plus 3 be modded to give you a more Google experience? I read that the developer activity was very active with that phone.
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Totally derped on the custom kernel requiring root. The 3T does have a pretty deep community, but there's a little bit of a disconnect between the 3 and 3T. Another big thing for me is the touch latency. I swipe to type on the Gboard, and I'm always having to manually type words, because the 3T can't keep up. Never had the issue with the 6P though. Thanks for the advice on the 6P though. Might make it a weekend project, before switching my DD.
Seattleite said:
Totally derped on the custom kernel requiring root. The 3T does have a pretty deep community, but there's a little bit of a disconnect between the 3 and 3T. Another big thing for me is the touch latency. I swipe to type on the Gboard, and I'm always having to manually type words, because the 3T can't keep up. Never had the issue with the 6P though. Thanks for the advice on the 6P though. Might make it a weekend project, before switching my DD.
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That's interesting. I thought the 3T was supposed to be a pretty fast phone. I'm in the market for something to replace my 6p since it probably won't last too far past the end of the warranty. It sounds like the 3T isn't it.
jhs39 said:
That's interesting. I thought the 3T was supposed to be a pretty fast phone. I'm in the market for something to replace my 6p since it probably won't last too far past the end of the warranty. It sounds like the 3T isn't it.
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Oh, it's definitely a fast phone! Screen latency just isn't up to Nexus level. It's a great phone, no question. I would just like to jump back to "pure" Android sometimes. 3T, IMO, no better phone, for the value. Very customizable for sure, and solid as a rock (yay for 6GB of RAM!). Just feels slightly different from where I've made my home, since the Galaxy Nexus. The updates are even getting regular, to where you shouldn't worry about being left behind. I just miss carrying a little piece of Google with me from time to time.
Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
I have owned a lot of phones previously first of all
The souled best I have owned a Samsung Galaxy S2
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and the only reason I had to do root those phojes
Not enough ram for multitasking purposes
Had to root so that more apps can stay in memory.
With an is as light as this....
Dont really have a need to debloat
Dont use titanium backup much
Only one reason i can think of adblocking
Thinking about it now
The reason why we had to root phones was to squeeze more performance out of them..
And my general experience is rooting though helps
It doesn't lead to an idea phone state where everything works.
Some small bugs around the edges are left which can be as annoying as you want then to be...
So anyone here who can give me better reasons for wanting to root this device
No reason IMO. I think people do it for different ROMs, Adblocker, Titanium Backup.
You don't need root if you have to ask why.
I never rooted for extra performance, I root for total control over the device I just spend a lot of money on. And I like to theme stuff deep into the system.
invinciblecc said:
Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
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Nandroid backup and titanium backup for the apps.
Privacy issues: firewalls Afwall, xprivacy, etc.
Customization: Gravitybox, etc.
Ad control: minminguard, and others.
I could go on.
Otherwise, why not just get an iPhone?
But, if you are happy, no need to root.
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No reason IMO. I think people do it for different ROMs, Adblocker, Titanium Backup.
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Seconded, I rooted to have TB and Ad block. Maybe in the future I'll mess around with a custom ROM but for now stock gives me everything I need.
invinciblecc said:
Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
I have owned a lot of phones previously first of all
The souled best I have owned a Samsung Galaxy S2
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and the only reason I had to do root those phojes
Not enough ram for multitasking purposes
Had to root so that more apps can stay in memory.
With an is as light as this....
Dont really have a need to debloat
Dont use titanium backup much
Only one reason i can think of adblocking
Thinking about it now
The reason why we had to root phones was to squeeze more performance out of them..
And my general experience is rooting though helps
It doesn't lead to an idea phone state where everything works.
Some small bugs around the edges are left which can be as annoying as you want then to be...
So anyone here who can give me better reasons for wanting to root this device
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There are hundreds, maybe thousands of reasons to root a device. I have quite a few apps which I like, plus customizable options which only exist on custom ROMs.
However all that is meaningless, the only question you need to ask is why would you root? What Is it you need which you can't have unrooted?
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I use it for
Adaway
BetterBatteryStats
CF.lumen as I find it works way better than the built in night mode
Kernel Manager
Force Doze
Greenify
Pairs to backup and restore WiFi and Bluetooth settings
Tasker
And most significantly, TitaniumBackup!
There are plenty of reasons.
Custom kernels can bring awesome features, even better stability and amazing battery life.
Custom roms bring you all the customization you ever wanted
Custom apps like Viper4A bring awesome sound to your ears, titanium backup backups everything you ever want, Greenify gives you better battery life than you can imagine.
Truth is, you decide why you want to root.
I will admit though, I didn't think I was going to need to root the OP5, it is really good stock, but I'm glad I did root. I am able to pull >48 hours on one battery with >9 hours SOT thanks to some root apps and features.
Battery life is excellent for me as of now. M.
Maybe I will root it... But after sometime
The only reason need titanium backup is if I switch roms.. And without root I won't switch roms so no need for titanium backup...
Need to block ads though...
Maybe I'll just let a rooted stock do wonders for me...
I have seen once I change stock...switching from one rom to another becomes a temptation and then the phone rarely remains a phone.... I start feeling like a developer and keep on flashing roms...
Not on this device... I don't want to set up this device again and again with every new rom... Lets see.. Till how long can I resist!
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Depends on the user. Im not rooted but would do it to:
Use Viper4Android
Try out custom ROMs
Use mods like enableing front speaker playback for stereo sound
etc...
There are reasons, the question is do you need it.
I haven't rooted yet but I am going to.
- adblocker
- Titanium backup
- Viper4Android
- custom ROMs for customization
I had a Samsung device till recently and was using custom ROMs cause I hated how TouchWiz looks.
Now, stock OP5 might look similar to what I had but I still feel crippled.
I have to say though that the advantages of root don't make it a must have. I am using it stock cause I'm on holiday right now and could use it like this. It's definitely better than stock Samsung
I've never rooted for performance. I always root for extra customization options.
The root apps and options I'm using now are:
Substratum/ozone for middle clock and am/pm and a few other small ui tweaks.
Button backlight controller so the backlight on the buttons stay on while the screen is on. I mean by default, the LEDs are useless because they come on only after you press them. The point of the LED is to help you find them. So wtf.
Adblock, because a lot of sites can't even be viewed on mobile that have full screen ads or ads that cover content.
Stereo Speaker mod is pretty sweet. That's the main thing I miss from my Nexus 6p.
And I will definitely be switching to a rom as soon as they are stable enough. Things that OOS did right, they only kinda did right. Sure, they have a circle battery, great job. But you can't put the percent inside of it? No hold back button to kill a misbehaving app? Really?
I have to root. Don't know why, but i have to.
Actually I do it for adblocking, viper, and custom ROMs. So far, with the crazy battery life I am getting.... I am sticking with rooted, stock ROM and kernel.
And for those who don't root and still want adblocking: try fdroid with DNS66
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As been said before: my main reason for rooting is backup (TiBu) ! Its actually the only reason left that I could not replace by other means.
Other reasons are: ad blocking (but there are rootless solutions that do ok), customization (but could live without if need be) and debloating (also with TiBu plus MyAndroidTools) for improved battery life.
invinciblecc said:
Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
I have owned a lot of phones previously first of all
The souled best I have owned a Samsung Galaxy S2
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and the only reason I had to do root those phojes
Not enough ram for multitasking purposes
Had to root so that more apps can stay in memory.
With an is as light as this....
Dont really have a need to debloat
Dont use titanium backup much
Only one reason i can think of adblocking
Thinking about it now
The reason why we had to root phones was to squeeze more performance out of them..
And my general experience is rooting though helps
It doesn't lead to an idea phone state where everything works.
Some small bugs around the edges are left which can be as annoying as you want then to be...
So anyone here who can give me better reasons for wanting to root this device
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For me, the main reason is Titanium. Just because you don't care, doesn't mean that no one does. Root can do a lot. I use greenify, have that battery monitor app, etc. All use root.
I've rooted every android device I've ever owned prior to the OP5 first and foremost because I'm a bit of a tech nerd so naturally I like tinkering with electronics. I was able to add a bunch of useful features and enhancements through exploring root. But with the OP5, only thing I see that I would need root for is a proper ad blocking solution.
Bottom line is that most devices now a days work fine for daily use out of the box but everyone has individual reasons why they root. Same justification as to why some of us modify our cars. They drive fine in stock trim, but some of us want to make it our own.
invinciblecc said:
Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
I have owned a lot of phones previously first of all
The souled best I have owned a Samsung Galaxy S2
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and the only reason I had to do root those phojes
Not enough ram for multitasking purposes
Had to root so that more apps can stay in memory.
With an is as light as this....
Dont really have a need to debloat
Dont use titanium backup much
Only one reason i can think of adblocking
Thinking about it now
The reason why we had to root phones was to squeeze more performance out of them..
And my general experience is rooting though helps
It doesn't lead to an idea phone state where everything works.
Some small bugs around the edges are left which can be as annoying as you want then to be...
So anyone here who can give me better reasons for wanting to root this device
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Totally agreeing with you. There isn't much of a need to root the phone, but I still root mine for the hell of it. Haven't done anything yet that requires root though. Still, it's nice having the option there.
invinciblecc said:
Maybe I'll just let a rooted stock do wonders for me...
I have seen once I change stock...switching from one rom to another becomes a temptation and then the phone rarely remains a phone.... I start feeling like a developer and keep on flashing roms...
Not on this device... I don't want to set up this device again and again with every new rom... Lets see.. Till how long can I resist!
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Actually a really good point, I too often end up rooting, checking out some roms, want more customisation and all of a sudden I've flashed my device 17 times over and spent more time setting the same stuff up over and over. It's that elusive "I just need this one more tweak sh*t to make my phone perfect"....when there's no such thing as a perfect device