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Many folks I communicate with keep assuming the Note's sPen is just another phone stylus ( or maybe a slightly tweeked one). In trying to explain the huge difference, and finding that none of the major reviews do it reasonably, I did some fact finding to help explain it (and why it is special) compared to a capacitive stylus. Thought other folks would like the details. Please reply with a more concise explanation if you have it. -steveblue
Briefly:
The Note has a Wacom dual digitizer, a first in a mainstream smartphone. That means is supports both capacitive multi-touch and active pen input from a precise EMR digital pen and a digitizer layer under the screen. Wacom is the world leader in pen based computer technologies and first developed this technology for Tablet PCs for very accurate handwriting level pen use that works with touch displays.
Details:
Almost all other phone styluses are just capacitive and therefore no more accurate than your finger. The Galaxy Note's active pen uses Wacom's EMR patented technology. EMR which stands for Electo-Magnetic Resonance, which requires no internal power to generate a signal on the pen-side that enables the pen coordinates on or above the screen to be detected (the display provides the power rather than the pen). The Note's screen surface incorporates a sensor board that detects the pen's movement. Weak energy is induced in the pen's resonant circuit by a magnetic field generated by the sensor board surface. The pen's resonant circuit then makes use of this energy to return a magnetic signal to the sensor board surface. The digitizer board under the screen detects information on the pen's coordinate position and angle, as well as on its general operating condition including speed and writing pressure, etc.
With EMR Technology, the sensor unit is installed behind the display screen. Because the sensor does not cover the front of the display, the quality and brightness of the displayed image are not compromised.
Wacom's sensors are high precision and high resolution, which together make it possible to detect even small hand-written letters. The sensor traces the movement of the human hand and reproduces such "human" elements as the feel, force and ambivalence of the pen tip.
The dual capacitive multi-touch and EMR active pen technology is called Wacom Feel It and was developed and honed over 2 years on major ( HP, ...) Tablet PCs. The Galaxy Note is the first use in a smart phone.
References ( and more info):
As a somewhat new user I can't put links in - message me for a full set of refs or google 'wacom emr' and 'wacom Feel It'. Note you'll get a llot of PR page but their will be technology details too.
-steveblue
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Your effort here deserves appreciation
Thanks for providing this useful information.
Thanks for very useful information,
Does display shield (Protect Cover) reduces the accuracy of S Pen...??
steveblue said:
Briefly:
The Note has a Wacom dual digitizer, a first in a mainstream smartphone. That means is supports both capacitive multi-touch and active pen input from a precise EMR digital pen and a digitizer layer under the screen. Wacom is the world leader in pen based computer technologies and first developed this technology for Tablet PCs for very accurate handwriting level pen use that works with touch displays.
-steveblue
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Are u sure S pen can be use on other capacitive screen? I try this S pen on my htc sensation & it did not function at all
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The original statement does not mean you can use the sPen with other phones, it means on the Note there is a dual technology employed : 1) capacitive and 2) digital EMR. Sorry for the confusion.
-steveblue
Thanks steveblue. Nicely explained.
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Does display shield (Protect Cover) reduces the accuracy of S Pen...??
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Also wanting to know this, from the OP description...seems material between the S-Pen and the screen would cause issues...? I've been noticing some accuracy problems since putting on the SGP screen protector...
The lots of wacom pens came in handy after all....
Even my good ol'Gateway pen is working on the Note...actually better than on the Win8...
Also, here you can read about Note's grandparents, 20 years ago ( take that Apple)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Concerto
So from what i understand the digitizer layer or some other circuit has to be powered all the time to allow the spen to be powered at any time we decide to use it, but, won't that waste away battery during the time the spen is not in use?
If it does waste away battery while the pen is not used then it would be awesome if some dev could check if that circuit could be powered off when we dun need it and only activate it when we intend to use the spen.
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So from what i understand the digitizer layer or some other circuit has to be powered all the time to allow the spen to be powered at any time we decide to use it, but, won't that waste away battery during the time the spen is not in use?
If it does waste away battery while the pen is not used then it would be awesome if some dev could check if that circuit could be powered off when we dun need it and only activate it when we intend to use the spen.
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either way i do believe that the power for this field is very weak, otherwise (or it may be the case as well) samsungs engineers would have built some switch (soft- or hardware (sensor if pen is out)).
but generally high resonance surface fields (as it would be the one here) wont use much power anyway, so don't worry! it's more like a sensor array which detects EM "disturbances" created by the coil of the pen. pressing the buttons on the pen (eraser also possible and working on the note, but not with stock stylus) just alters this disturbance by shortening some wires of the coil and therefore generate a characteristic "fingerprint".
Thanks for this post.
This may sound really simple, but is there some method employed to stop ones hand from activating the screen when you write?
I really want this technology, particularly for the note-taking feature, but I am concerned that if I write 'normally' my hand will continuously activate the screen which will ultimately mean that I will have to hold the s-pen in a really uncomfortable fashion sort of like I was holding a chopstick to use it?
Thats friggin amazing, seriously I was really curious to find out how the spen actually worked, and its something out of a sci fi movie. for this tech the device should be way more expensive. spen rocks
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Thanks for this post.
This may sound really simple, but is there some method employed to stop ones hand from activating the screen when you write?
I really want this technology, particularly for the note-taking feature, but I am concerned that if I write 'normally' my hand will continuously activate the screen which will ultimately mean that I will have to hold the s-pen in a really uncomfortable fashion sort of like I was holding a chopstick to use it?
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In S-memo settings there is an option to tell the screen only to recognise edits made with the s-pen.
Hope that helps.
NotSellingHats said:
Thanks for this post.
This may sound really simple, but is there some method employed to stop ones hand from activating the screen when you write?
I really want this technology, particularly for the note-taking feature, but I am concerned that if I write 'normally' my hand will continuously activate the screen which will ultimately mean that I will have to hold the s-pen in a really uncomfortable fashion sort of like I was holding a chopstick to use it?
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Most apps for writing on the Note employ what's called "palm rejection", so writing with the S pen is surprisingly natural. No awkward hand position
In rain?
Would the EMR pen work in the rain? Capacitive screens generally don't work well in rain so this would be an advantage in the field.
Great article.
Thanks for the post! I have a few questions I would like to ask the experts on this subject:
1) How does the screen calibration work? Some people say there's an auto-calibration mechanism, but in my experience, even doing some "tricks" to calibrate it, I noticed the pen is centered only in a certain angle (not necessarily what people are used to when writing).
2) If we use a capacitive stylus on a regular tablet (say, the Galaxy Tab 2), even if it has a small head, is it correct to assume it will never be as precise as the S-Pen on the Galaxy Note series (including the tab)?
> 2) If we use a capacitive stylus on a regular tablet, even if it has a small head, is it correct to assume it will never be as precise as the S-Pen on the Galaxy Note series (including the tab)?<
I can help w/ Q2: A capacitive system has low resolution - which means it only picks up a circular area of say the size of the ball of your finger tip - no after market pen will allow it to be more precise in size just in placement ( center of circle). They are working on different "plus" pen solutions ( some to get the pressure sensitive going) but again none will give you precise hit and high pressure sensitivity - not able to make more precise the circular area under the pen. The Galaxy note has that too for fast, casual and gesture based touch, but it also has this secondary WAcom created input explained in my original post in this thread, where there is a FULL DIGITZER under the surface of the display - thats what give this spen its real edge (not just the pen but the surface). So yes you are correct to say an after market capacitive based pen will NEVER give you the precise control as the spen and Wacom made digitizer tech.
I like to say that the Note has 3 input modes, touch for casual, gestural and fast, spen for precise, creative and note taking, and then also dead accurate voice recognition for voice based commands and dictation. It is this last one that is under discussed ( in the hyped up SIRI world) - it is amazingly good - best on any phone. I use it constantly especially in my car with a card doc. I never type my emails and texts on my Note - I always speak them. Using Google Now/Google voice input and vlingo.
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Here how I explain it on more Apple based sites like cNet:
If you are a power User - here is what I said about by Note 1 - same holds and more for the Note 2. An game changing phone.
There is something perfect about this phone for power users. Spend a few hours or a day with it and you will be hooked. If Apple came out with it, the world would be going crazy - so for now it is simply the users (without much press) who buy it and love it - hence > 20 million fans of it.
WHY?
It does fit in your pocket, you can do allot with one hand ( but it is a new paradigm so you want to be able to use two and the pen too at times). It is mainly a phone for power users (those who use all the of computer/web/app functionality). For them the display ( would fit under the definition as a Retina Display - but of course the only Retina Display with a simple Wacom tablet under is surface), the real estate, the pen and dead on voice recognition (better than Siri) - takes the frustration out of serious mobile device use - no more missing a link, having to constantly zoom up/down, unable to use a web app because it is too small to see - all this just works.
The wacom pen/digitizer is pixel accurate and pressure sensitive, again basically having a simple wacom tablet under the 5.3" display, so anything I do over a minute (touch is there and great for fast and casual,) I pull out the pen and kick butt - can hit at button/link with full accuracy (even a tiny tiny one), take notes, annotate anything ( maps, web pages, screen shots, pdfs, ...) make charts and drawings and paintings ( artists love it! -- wacom and photoshop on your phone) but I switch to dead accurate voice (due to the one of the fastest processor out and google / vlingo voice tools) - which means in one voice command I can open up any app, play any song, call , ... and dictation - I always use voice dictation on emails and messaging now (often while walking! on campus)- I did this whole cnet comment with my voice.
So argue about numbers and apple versus samsung all you want - buy any phone you want. By I am a 20 yr veteran of UI research ( Apple offered me leadership jobs twice, ran a mac based division of EA, and I have created UI systems for web companies - now as grad chair I run a major research university with 60 PhDs in interface design) and I am telling you this phone is a game changer - just try it with an open mind. It is not for everyone but if you are a power user especially who wants to get the web ( web apps, gmail, gcal, todo web apps) back on your mobile device with zero frustration - this is the phone. I personally have the international version with the faster processor, unlocked, ICS JB and device choices now and a dev community that rivals any out there ( I have better than stock Android JB). So I can find/get access to any pro tool I want. I run my servers from my phone now, read 100 page thesis pdfs where I fully annotate them now, using special gesture commands to automate things and in the middle of doing so , I say 'hey galaxy" play "shock the monkey"' and change the music while using my pixel accurate pen - it is heaven. Sorry for the long post but remember I am purposely walking on campus now ( it is raining here in Vancouver), voice inputting this all with only minor corrections made on the fly with my wacom pen - do that with your phone. OR try this one. ( Or save money and buy a used international Note 1)
Great explanation and well written. Excellent read thank you.
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This does make me wonder why other manufacturers of digitizers (like the one in the Flyer, Vaio Duo 11 and LG Vu) don't use this kind of tech? I've seen a Vu and a Note N7003 (The one with the LCD screen) under direct light and boy, did the Vu have HORRIBLE glare.
Is there any way we can tweak the fingerprint scanners unlocking procedure without swipe?
Because its a pain using fingerprint scanner one hand. Thanks!
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No. The iPhone can do this due to the shape of the home button, and the amount of the fingerprint that can be read without movement because of that. The shape of the home button on the S5 works against this as it only reads a thin strip of the print unless you move the digit.
The only possibility I can think would be a hack to reduce the amount of the fingerprint required for a positive ID. And even if that was possible it would by it's very nature reduce the security offered by the fingerprint reader which could cause issues with the Paypal certification.
Perhaps the videos I have seen were overly simplistic and I'm not getting my S5 until Friday so can't speak from experience, but using the thumb to unlock looked a simple procedure to me and easy enough to do one handed.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s5-fingerprint-scanner-reader,26135.html
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No. The iPhone can do this due to the shape of the home button, and the amount of the fingerprint that can be read without movement because of that. The shape of the home button on the S5 works against this as it only reads a thin strip of the print unless you move the digit.
The only possibility I can think would be a hack to reduce the amount of the fingerprint required for a positive ID. And even if that was possible it would by it's very nature reduce the security offered by the fingerprint reader which could cause issues with the Paypal certification.
Perhaps the videos I have seen were overly simplistic and I'm not getting my S5 until Friday so can't speak from experience, but using the thumb to unlock looked a simple procedure to me and easy enough to do one handed.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s5-fingerprint-scanner-reader,26135.html
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Thanks man. Ill be waiting for my s5 as well.
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RESEARCHERS AT Michigan State University have successfully bypassed the fingerprint sensors on the Galaxy S6 and Huawei Honor 7 using an inkjet printer.
Yes, you read that right. Kai Cao and Anil Jain, from Michigan State University's Department of Computer Science and Engineering, managed to spoof the fingerprint scanners using an inkjet printer, a few drops of conductive ink and special paper used for printing electronic circuits.
The researchers took scans of several fingers and printed them onto the paper using the conductive ink. They were able to 'hack' the two smartphones using the spoof, or 2.5D, print, but said that the sensor on the Honor 7 was "more difficult" to bypass than that on the Galaxy S6.
No other devices were tested, but the technology used on the two Android devices is similar to that used on other smartphones, including the Nexus 6P and LG G5, for example.
"This experiment further confirms the urgent need for anti-spoofing techniques for fingerprint recognition systems, especially for mobile devices which are being increasingly used for unlocking the phone and for payment," the two researchers said.
A Samsung spokesperson told The Guardian: "Samsung takes fingerprint security very seriously, and we would like to assure that users’ fingerprints are encrypted and securely stored within our devices equipped with fingerprint sensors.
"As the report itself points out, it takes specific equipment, supplies and conditions to simulate a person’s fingerprint, including being in possession of the fingerprint owner’s phone to unlock the device.
"If at any time there is a credible potential vulnerability we will act promptly to investigate and resolve the issue."
A Huawei spokesperson added: "Honor takes data integrity very seriously and we are committed to protecting customer privacy through the constant updating of new technologies, including fingerprint sensor technology.
“We are aware of various reports which make the claim that vulnerabilities exist in fingerprint sensor technology used by several manufacturers, including Honor. We have equipped Honor 7 with a chipset-level security solution in which personal data in the form of fingerprint images is protected with hardware. This solution is significantly superior to that of most other Android phones."
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Not really hacked.. they still need owner's fingerprint. And if anything they are fooling it.
Yeah... All it takes is the phone, a finger, some special paper and some special ink... I'll take my chances... ?
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Fingerprints offer only decent security (too easy to obtain and relatively simple to fake), they are relatively easy to bypass (as shown). If you really need security, the only way to go is an encrypted device (assuming google didn't put in a backdoor for the NSA ) with a strong passphrase. But to stop a drunk mate sending stupid texts to your boss, fingerprints are fine.
I'd like the ability to use pin and FP. Two factor use of fingerprints would be acceptable.
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First off, only a really complex/technical person would be able to pull this off. Chances of anybody else pulling this off are slim. You need equipment to extract the fingerprint smudges all over your phone first, provided they are of those that you used for unlocking your phone. Secondarily, there's no guarantee the fingerprints are the right ones or they are good enough for extraction.
I wouldn't worry about this at all.
they could also just chop of the owners finger to spoof the reader, much easier
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they could also just chop of the owners finger to spoof the reader, much easier
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This actually had the possibility of happening to me a couple months back.
Daryll99 said:
This actually had the possibility of happening to me a couple months back.
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still use the fingerprint scanner?
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still use the fingerprint scanner?
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Well yeah.
Love my S8+.. however I think the biggest problem for me with the device is to get it unlocked without doing something very specific.
The iris scanner works fine.. but it has rules as far as how face the phone and distance yourself from it.
Are you guys also experiencing what I am as far as not being able to quickly unlock your phones from any casual position?
and to top it all, OK Google detection doesn't seem to work!
I agree I hate fingerprint scanners on the back. Tried to like them but never get used to having to pick up the phone when its laying flat on a table
Never use it anyways, just swipe to unlock. Not as paranoid as some are.
I really don't understand the bad press, I much prefer the new location!?
Before with my S7Edge if I wanted to one hand scan i had to hold the phone like a diving board, teetering out of my hand insecurely.
However with the new placement on the rear, i can middle finger scan one handded much more secrely with phone gripped between pinky, ring finger and thumb.
And finding the placement of the scanner is actually very easy to find if you use a case (any case for that matter...)
I sencerly hope people who are complaining with the new placement arent still scanning try to scan their thumbs because...that would be ludicrous!!, [emoji15anyways +1 for actiually liking the new location, a defenite improvement in my eyes of the S7 Edge.
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No, i like it. Most of the time i use face unlock or smart location unlock though.
I find it hard to hit. The LG V20 I had before with the scanner in the middle was not bad.
I've gone to using the iris scanner instead. It is working much better then the fingerprint scanner. Especially when you turn on the option to bypass the lock screen swipe.
You can unlock your phone using: face recognition, iris scan, voice recognition and you can have it unlock automatically when at certain location (home/office) or connected to BT in your car for example. Paranoid types can save critical files inside secure folder and leave the phone unlocked. In other words so many options, to avoid fingerprint altogether, if you dislike it. Personally I don't care, may be actually easier to use it on the back, than front, especially when used one handed, but I have larger hands and bought smaller S8, it may be different for people with smaller hands on S8+
I do miss the fingerprint scanner on the front. When at work it is much more discrete and less obvious to unlock and tap to read a message/email/txt etc when my phone is laying on a desk in front of me.
Iris Scanner: Great indoors and if holding phone in hand. Worthless outdoors and if phone is laying on table/desk.
Fingerprint Scanner: Awkward all around. Placement, shape, proximity to camera etc. This is my only real gripe. It isn't that the S8 fingerprint reader is terrible, it is that the iPhone one was *very* good and placed ideally.
Face Unlock: Faster and easier than the iris scanner , but same drawbacks and less secure.
PIN: Ye' Ole Faithful. Still works just fine
As a v20 user I find the back placement superior to front placement phones. Its more natural and you can get a better grip on the phone when doing it instead of risking dropping the phone.
Putting the camera so close to the sensor was a pretty poor decision I don't know how that made it into the final product.
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Wanted to be OK with it, but it's a PITA to be honest... And the recent update seems to have broken face unlock (probably works 1 time in 10). Iris scanning not that easy. I often have the phone on the desk to one side, and unlocking now means picking up the phone. Will have to investigate bluetooth pairing stuff, etc. Looking forward to sub-glass fingerprint reader (hopefully on Note 8)
Coming from a Nexus 6P I was used to it being on the back. On the nexus the placement was a bit better which made the access easier, but I like it nonetheless. I don't have my phone on the table a lot so no issues with picking it up like some other people do.
Yes. I wear glasses with a -15+ prescription, so the iris scanner is a complete non-starter for me. It won't even recognize my eyes through my glasses, and without my glasses I can't see the phone clearly enough to position my eyes for the scanner. The facial recognition is both not especially reliable and not all that secure, really. So, I'm stuck still using the fingerprint.
And having it on the back is a pain in the backside -- or on the backside, as the case may be. Even using smart unlock and trusted location, it's still a pain to have to reach across the phone and case when I'm trying to unlock the phone. The fingerprint sensor also seems to be considerably more finicky as to finger position than the S7's for some reason -- which is a bigger issue when I'm having to reach to unlock it from such an odd angle.
I honestly don't mind the position of the fingerprint scanner on the S8 - it's part of the reason I got the regular size instead of the plus. What I *do* mind is that it's a vertical rectangle - like, Samsung, nobody has fingers that can hit that when holding the phone like a normal person. If it was an oval shape I wouldn't mind half as much.
I've had to get a little used to its location over the past few days, but I find that my index finger tends to rest very close to it when I'm holding the phone, very easy to get to. I was used to using a finger on the back from the LG G4's power/volume controls on the back. I do find that it sometimes takes a little time, if you misjudge the distance and don't cover the entire sensor.
I've got a case on my S8 and it makes it easy to find the sensor. The fingerprint sensor was one of the (minor) things that made me get the S8 over the + because I figured the larger phone the sensor would be harder to reach. When I pick up the phone now I have my thumb near the power button and my index finger right over the fingerprint sensor. After I tap the sensor I just curl my finger so it supporting the phone from right under the sensor/camera. I probably have about a 75% first tap unlock rate.
I've never used a phone with a good front fingerprint sensor though, (only the note 4 with it's unreliable swipe sensor,) so I don't have much to compare to.
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I've got a case on my S8 and it makes it easy to find the sensor. The fingerprint sensor was one of the (minor) things that made me get the S8 over the + because I figured the larger phone the sensor would be harder to reach. When I pick up the phone now I have my thumb near the power button and my index finger right over the fingerprint sensor. After I tap the sensor I just curl my finger so it supporting the phone from right under the sensor/camera. I probably have about a 75% first tap unlock rate.
I've never used a phone with a good front fingerprint sensor though, (only the note 4 with it's unreliable swipe sensor,) so I don't have much to compare to.
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OnePlus 3T front fingerprint sensor is like the Note 5's but 1000 times better. No stupid clicking/moving button. It works instantly with the screen off or on. It works no matter what angle you use to touch it. It can be remapped to do many different things. It works first time everytime for unlocking the phone and unlocking apps.
When I first picked up the s8 I didn't think FP scanner was a good location. After 5 minutes using I feel like it's perfect. Mine also unlocks with the slightest finger touch and instantly. My note 5 was awkward at best unless laying on a desk. I do understand what you're saying about it laying on it's back. But I never hit the camera and it's snappy. I give it a 10
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I really like the placement. It feels natural
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I have the Gear S3 and use smart lock, so I rarely have to use the fingerprint scanner (or face or iris scanner form that matter) very often.
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As a v20 user I find the back placement superior to front placement phones. Its more natural and you can get a better grip on the phone when doing it instead of risking dropping the phone.
Putting the camera so close to the sensor was a pretty poor decision I don't know how that made it into the final product.
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Honestly I think it was just for symmetry. To me there isn't any other logical reasoning (unless it's tied to the other electronics located there like the cam and heart rate sensor)
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Do you think the new indisplay fingerprint reader will be fast as the one on the back?
I saw a hands on video of the OPPO r17 and it looked like the fingerprint reader was not very fast and also it could unlock the screen maybe 3/5 times.
Can we expect a better, newer generation in the op6t or do you think it will be the same chipset?
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Do you think the new indisplay fingerprint reader will be fast as the one on the back?
I saw a hands on video of the OPPO r17 and it looked like the fingerprint reader was not very fast and also it could unlock the screen maybe 3/5 times.
Can we expect a better, newer generation in the op6t or do you think it will be the same chipset?
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FOD will hopefully be the same as r17 but there might be an option of combining FOD with the FU along with Raise to wake and Double tap to wake like other OEM's to make it faster thus the device would scan and FP and look for the Face at the same time.
The tech is still relatively new so we can't expect the same speed as traditional FPs
We will have to wait for the official announcement and the reviews to judge the actual experience :good:
I'll take works every time over fast all day every day.
I think it's going to be ultrasonic actually.
The oppo used an optical sensor which is slower and less secure
There must be both !!
for a $1000 phone I demand to include every single feature possible !!
and half an inch thick phone is totally fine !!
and 1lb of weight is totally fine as well.
I think I'll miss the back scanner, the front one cant possibly be faster, at least not for another year or 2? we're getting like some of the first generations, if its JUST as fast, if not faster, great. but I unlock it sometimes before it even sees my face. I don't want to front scanner and wait for face even though that will be faster than just the scanner on the front...
I might even skip it and just get the 6, from my 5t red.
anyone think the same or just me? haha...
I dislike them in the back because I use a phone on the desk frequently enough it becomes an annoyance. Face ID is no help either in that situation so I've been looking forward to embedded scanners becoming a thing.
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I dislike them in the back because I use a phone on the desk frequently enough it becomes an annoyance. Face ID is no help either in that situation so I've been looking forward to embedded scanners becoming a thing.
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true, i usually have it facing the table when im out so its slightly less anti social LOL
Will be faster than contemporary optical FP readers if oneplus pays special attention to(nature of oneplus), but can no way be as fast as the traditional capacitive ones.
I am excited about this. One thing that caught my attention was the rumor of the fingerprint and time always being on, even when the phone is sleep. Has OnePlus confirmed this or is it still a rumor? Cause if it's true I feel it will be a major selling point to the phone.
I think I would prefer it like this rather than being on the back. Still using 3T and idm it on the front. Can't wait for the 6t
It's better that they are investing in this technology. Apple generally waits a couple of years before they try it. It's cost efficient to wait off, given the size of your company. If your trying to get more people interested in the phone; then you probably want to invest in this technology. Again, this is OnePlus's first time with a deal with a U.S. carrier. What selling points are going to make people buy the phone when they walk in the T-Mobile store? OnePlus still has not revealed the other ways users will be able to unlock the phone. We are still in for big surprises.
The major selling point is going to be it's a phone that largely specs the same as the usual suspects which are significantly more expensive. Going back to the embedded scanner it's the best choice once fully working simply because the phone can be unlocked while sitting at rest, you don't get that with face, iris, etc. Apple, Samsung, and everyone else will be on board as soon as they can create the user experience they want. It's the uncontested next step.
Fearless prediction... We're not too far from two factor ID for pay: fingerprint AND face. Meanwhile I'd expect the fingerprint will serve to simply unlock the phone. The smart guys seem to think this is the logical middle step because embedded cameras are still a decade out and everyone wants the screen sans notch which means a lift for the selfie cam. The lift becomes much more viable when it is only needed for selfies compared to something like the Find X where it is used for unlock. To get there in the near term you need embedded fingerprint scanners even if they weren't arguably the most viable overall option for bio-metric security.
I'd agree with Krabman. OnePlus is clearly trying to pull ahead of the race. They want their product to stay innovative. They want you to think of the OnePlus brand as a step up from your everyday Android device. Not to say that the Galaxy and Pixel aren't innovate if their own way; but OnePlus wants their own niche in the Android market. One could say; they are trying to be more like Apple. What they have to do is make sure their features and OS is unique. Eventually they should invest in some television ads. It can get expensive; but T-Mobile could always pitch in.
We're still in for a treat come time October 17th. Hopefully the phone will be available for purchase on that date and we won't have to wait a second longer. I'd really love to go out to a T-Mobile store during that week and pay for the phone.
I read at trustedreviews.com about the Huawei Mate 20 Pro that the indisplay fingerprint reader ONLY works for unlocking the phone and not for apps, that can use dedicated fingerprintreaders e.g. for banking apps etc.
If this is correct and also the same with the 6T that would be a HUGE minus for this technology!
I dunno, I think the rear scanned is better for me,,, I can pick it up with one hand and unlock it with my index finger, a front scanner will require my thumbs for this or two hands. But............. I will adapt. My 5x is long in the tooth and the Nexus atmosphere or comradery is no more, with OnePlus seemingly having it.
Yeah, sounds like you need ultrasonic for banking and we're getting optical. Phones are in kind of a weird place right now. To me it's like phones are suddenly stuck in a place where we all know embedded scanners and cameras are around the corner and it's clear now that the goal lies there. All screen, ultrasonic, embedded cameras, so on. It leaves what's out there now a little disappointing even though things are better than ever because I know that stuff is coming and I'm sure I want it.
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I read at trustedreviews.com about the Huawei Mate 20 Pro that the indisplay fingerprint reader ONLY works for unlocking the phone and not for apps, that can use dedicated fingerprintreaders e.g. for banking apps etc.
If this is correct and also the same with the 6T that would be a HUGE minus for this technology!
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On Vivo Nex S is working with app too as banking app etc IMO.
So it would be big negative surprised if 6T does not support.
krabman said:
Yeah, sounds like you need ultrasonic for banking and we're getting optical. Phones are in kind of a weird place right now. To me it's like phones are suddenly stuck in a place where we all know embedded scanners and cameras are around the corner and it's clear now that the goal lies there. All screen, ultrasonic, embedded cameras, so on. It leaves what's out there now a little disappointing even though things are better than ever because I know that stuff is coming and I'm sure I want it.
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As for the fingerprint scanner I’m sure would be very reliable and smooth even being optical not ultasonic
Ultrasonic fingerprint will see next year with S10+.
It’s not ready for mass production.
Even the 2 little brother S10 series will use optical as ultrasonic is quite expensive.
Non to mention that Vivo is already working on 4th generation optical scanner that would be even better so it wouldn’t make surprising if 6T using that 4th generation but even not and use 3rd like Vivo Nex I’m sure would be fast and reliable.
https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/09/...t-technology-and-dsp-acceleration-technology/
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SourPower said:
I think I would prefer it like this rather than being on the back. Still using 3T and idm it on the front. Can't wait for the 6t
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I was the same but when I went from note 4 to like LG v20 or something I completely changed. you'd never wanna go back to front. the ease taking out of pocket, on table if turned upside down. if not upside down just double tap.
I'd go front again tomorrow but its slower tech than back. I don't wanna go slower and pay more for first generation. and I saw the oneplus 6 on best gear for like £382 8gb 128gb. not bad. I'd actually prob get that right now from my 5t until newer front screen scanner comes in
I think a little sphere busting is in order... I just touched the front of my phone. Twice. At no time did I think, "Ok, this is my third try at touching the front of my phone, if I don't make it this time maybe I'll have a run at the back and see if I can touch that."
More seriously: I dislike back scanners and unfortunately I've been stuck with a number of em because it's whats been out there on a lot of devices recently. Practice hasn't helped me make friends with them either, I like them less every time I own one. This because touching the front is neither easier nor harder than touching the back and you cant use a back scanner without picking up the phone when working with it on the desk. Double tap is fine but you have to go sans security to use it which isn't always viable. Face ID has the same problem, when working off the desk you have to pick up the phone to light it up. Meanwhile with the front scanner you touch it and go about your business without the extra step. Going back to normal use when not on a surface, yeah, the front is just as easy to touch as the back. To me the best feature of the 6T is the scanner being located in the objectively least compromised placement.