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Hi there, I'm no new to development, but haven't played with a phone in a while.
Can someone please tell me what the disadvantages of rooting the Nexus 6p are?
My plan is to get root access only to use specific apps (eg greenify) but not to install a new ROM, i.e. I'll stay with stock.
Does this affect:
-Applicability of OTA updates from Google
-ability to use the fingerprint reader
-warranty claims
-speed/stability of the device?
Thanks in advance!
qwertyuiop89 said:
Hi there, I'm no new to development, but haven't played with a phone in a while.
Can someone please tell me what the disadvantages of rooting the Nexus 6p are?
My plan is to get root access only to use specific apps (eg greenify) but not to install a new ROM, i.e. I'll stay with stock.
Does this affect:
-Applicability of OTA updates from Google
-ability to use the fingerprint reader
-warranty claims
-speed/stability of the device?
Thanks in advance!
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-OTA are not possible when rooted. You have to flash back stock boot.img and recovery.img to accept an OTA.
-It does not interfere with Nexus Imprint (Fingerprint reader.)
-Does not affect speed or stability
-Warranty is not affected because you can flash stock imgs and relock bootloader.
You can take OTA's if you do the systemless-root. I believe you would have to flash the recovery back to stock, though.
I think you have to flash boot as well since it's modified.
the biggest disadvantage is your device become instantly awesome, so if you are used to being annoyed about the stock OS missing features this is hard to deal with
But honestly the best thing about owning a nexus is you can root and easily go back to stock if you change your mind. The flash images are also easily available for updates (even before the OTA is out). So play with it, and worst case you can always restore back to stock.
currently my only disadvantage to me is loosing android pay...
yea i know i can make it work if i delete /su/xbin... but i feel like its there for a reason and i shouldnt be deleting it.
chaco81 said:
currently my only disadvantage to me is loosing android pay...
yea i know i can make it work if i delete /su/xbin... but i feel like its there for a reason and i shouldnt be deleting it.
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Supersu 2.61 does systemless root ootb. No need to delete anything. Systemless root will just work and Android Pay will just work.
83097markcynt said:
Supersu 2.61 does systemless root ootb. No need to delete anything. Systemless root will just work and Android Pay will just work.
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i have been using systemless root since v 2.61... im using 2.66 now
and android pay didnt work, and even wont pass safetynet test
delete the /su/xbin folder and it passes safetynet and android pay works...
so yes, for me it sucks that i have delete that to make AP to work... which is why for now i am giving up AP since i dont feel comfortable deleting xbin and breaking stuff
Mine passes safetynet test and is just systemless with nothing deleted. No Android Pay in the UK to test it with though.
Not being awesome.
Not living in the exciting XDA fast lane!
Can I use Xposed with systemless root?
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
dimiboy said:
Can I use Xposed with systemless root?
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Yes mate you can works perfectly well
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qwertyuiop89 said:
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
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lol this seems to happen when you root and install Xposed or pretty much modify anything. Usually I see a decrease in stability and battery life but an increase in performance, and you get to play with new features early.
I'm contemplating rooting just to use the new launcher.
qwertyuiop89 said:
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
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You have a couple of things going on.
First root IS as safe as you let it be. If you haven't installed any root applications it should not be any more buggy than stock.
You have installed Xposed. You have not mentioned what modules you have.
I don't have any issues you describe but I don't have a lot of modules installed.
I am stock with Xposed and root.
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Got my S7 Edge SM-935W8 Installed TWRP, CF Auto root and xposed. Before i did that i used the stock phone for a day. FASTEST PHONE IVE EVER USED. NOTHING COMES CLOSE TO THE PERFORMANCE OF THIS PHONE OUT OF THE BOX. THIS IS NOT A POsT TO BASH THE S7 EDGE
Off the go xposed did not work well. Bootlooped every other restart and added a lot of time to startup.
Modules I installed:
Boot Manager
BubnleUpNp
Clean Lockscreen
Custom Share
Dynamic AlarmIcon 2
Flatstyke bar indicator
Flatstylekeyboard
Gravitybox
Greenify
Luckypatcher
RootCloak
Smooth system progress bar
XGPM
Xinstaller
Xprivacy
Xprivacy in app info
Xtouchwhiz
Was it easy to root?what method did you follow please?only rooted once and was nexus 6p never rooted another?cheers
So does that mean you are going to flash back the stock ROM. I'm undecided on whether to root or not. I've been jailbreaking since the first iPhone, and the S7 edge is my first ever android device. I must say I can do almost everything I used to on jailbreak but with a lot less effort.
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I have the same config, except I obtained root with TWRP + SuperSU.
Runs better than Stock, and No Reboots.
Are you sure you got the correct Xposed version ? (Arm64, SDK 23)
Out of the box, First thing I did was Power up in bootloader, Flashed TWRP. Root is a must for me.
A little confused as to the OP? What exactly are you stating or trying to convey?
chippyuk said:
A little confused as to the OP? What exactly are you stating or trying to convey?
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Me too, can't work out if he is saying it was better before or after root and exposed??
After i install Xposed framework, as jazonX states (Arm64, SDK 23) , my phone won't boot anymore and i am forced to
reinstall stock image. what am i doing wrong ?
Thanks!
dsbarry said:
After i install Xposed framework, as jazonX states (Arm64, SDK 23) , my phone won't boot anymore and i am forced to
reinstall stock image. what am i doing wrong ?
Thanks!
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Use Xposed from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-xposed-samsung-lollipop-t3180960
This is specifically made for TW devices, because Samsung makes modifications to ART and other things that break the normal Xposed. I installed it on my S7e and it works like a charm
ssrij said:
Use Xposed from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-xposed-samsung-lollipop-t3180960
This is specifically made for TW devices, because Samsung makes modifications to ART and other things that break the normal Xposed. I installed it on my S7e and it works like a charm
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you sir, are a lifesaver!
thank you so much!
Sorry half the post was removed....
Anyways I wrote this because if you go far enough to trip Knox you aren't going to want to run stock TW. With the features this phone has I can't see myself running cm or a AOSP distro if I lose out on the hardware's capabilities. For a thousand dollar phone the price tag doesn't meet the performancs running stock with root and xposed.
I used wanams custom Xposed v80 x64. The TWRP exynos version and Cf-root. This version of Touchwhiz is 8gb. There is ALOT of RAM usage on the device stock. With Xposed framework on top the device is lagging behind what it should be.
I'm dying to get a custom TW running because this device is a beast but there is to much on top of the essentials that are holding back the s7.
If you are thinking of going the mod route you should not use stock. When the time comes flash a custom TW.
JazonX said:
I have the same config, except I obtained root with TWRP + SuperSU.
Runs better than Stock, and No Reboots.
Are you sure you got the correct Xposed version ? (Arm64, SDK 23)
Out of the box, First thing I did was Power up in bootloader, Flashed TWRP. Root is a must for me.
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did your 0x0 became 0x1 after rooting?
mindstorms54 said:
did your 0x0 became 0x1 after rooting?
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Ofcourse its gonna trip knox
mindstorms54 said:
did your 0x0 became 0x1 after rooting?
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Yeah, 0x1 now.
Wasn't a big deal for me, as this is probably the sixth phone I had with Fort Knox.
I wanna start playing with this thing but Sam mobile doesn't have our firmware up yet.
Any other firmware I can use to reflash stock if I run into trouble playing with this thing?
I'm also on the w8 variant and like to have everything on my laptop before I make the leap
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jlomoro said:
I wanna start playing with this thing but Sam mobile doesn't have our firmware up yet.
Any other firmware I can use to reflash stock if I run into trouble playing with this thing?
I'm also on the w8 variant and like to have everything on my laptop before I make the leap
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You shouldn't need another. With Odin you can flash the recovery again if it fails but after you have a recovery you can just factory reset it and it well go back to default. Go to the TWRP EXYNOS thread and follow his steps. Its a smooth process
Thanks for the reply Benny, that won't work if I want to experiment with the custom rom available tho will it.
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jlomoro said:
Thanks for the reply Benny, that won't work if I want to experiment with the custom rom available tho will it.
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Download Nandroid manager and online Android backup. Your gonna have to get TWRP and root
Make a backup and save it to your SD card. Copy it somewhere safe, and make sure you can flash it if anything goes wrong.
Or you can hold off and wait for Sam's mobile. In due time it will have a stock image for your provider
Hi Benny, it's awesome you got it all working. I have same model of the S7 Edge. I am rooted, however I didn't install TWRP yet, because I was confused about the instructions in the "exynos twrp" thread.
Did you glad the "dm-verity- disabler "? I'm not sure what that does, but it was part of the instructions. Also did you do a factory reset when flashing twrp? Because my phone is all setup up now, I don't want to do a factory reset to get twrp.
Please advise
before i root i need to make sure sammy can resolve all 6.0.1 issues, mainly crappy 3d gaming performance. happens on ALL 6.0.1 devices, on Note 5 running angry birds 2 for 5 minutes results in awful lag and stuttering same with s7e, however 5.1.1 Note 5 runs it perfect!!!
i mainly play ppsspp emulator and angry birds 2, and this stupid bug must be resolved!
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Hi Benny, it's awesome you got it all working. I have same model of the S7 Edge. I am rooted, however I didn't install TWRP yet, because I was confused about the instructions in the "exynos twrp" thread.
Did you glad the "dm-verity- disabler "? I'm not sure what that does, but it was part of the instructions. Also did you do a factory reset when flashing twrp? Because my phone is all setup up now, I don't want to do a factory reset to get twrp.
Please advise
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That file removes the encryption on internal storage. It's required if you wish to have TWRP have read write access to the internal storage. Wichita is required if you plan on using custom rom in the future.
I'm thinking what you could do (which is what I'm gonna do) is flash the auto root method. Then do a full backup with titanium to sd card. Then install TWRP and do full wipe and no diversity script and TWRP root method.
Then reload my titanium backup.
Think this will best of both worlds as I'll have read write access and won't lose all my data.
Can anybody confirm or correct me on my thinking here?
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I haven't personally used any of the Beta builds of Android 'N' and had a few questions regarding Nougat, Root, TWRP and Xposed.
I always flash the stock factory images using fastboot, so when the Nougat image is available, I plan on wiping and starting fresh. After I get it all flashed, I was wondering how I'd go about getting TWRP? Do I simply flash TWRP using fastboot as I have always done in the past? Or is there a special version of TWRP to be used?
Next, I read SuperSU 2.74 flashed with TWRP will get me rooted, but just wanted to confirm that just to be safe.
Last but certainly least, I realize Nougat is in its infancy stage, custom ROM wise, but will ROMs be rebased from 'M' to 'N' fairly quickly, or is it quite the difficult process? Can I also safely assume Xposed won't be working with Nougat for a while as well?
Sorry for the plethora of questions, I'm new to the Nougat scene.
I'm also interested in finding this stuff out, as I will be coming from rooted paranoid android MM.
Dankchild said:
I'm also interested in finding this stuff out, as I will be coming from rooted paranoid android MM.
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If nobody replies i'll see what I can dig up information wise and I'll let you know. [emoji106]
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If nobody replies i'll see what I can dig up information wise and I'll let you know. [emoji106]
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I would like to know as well!
NBAPwns said:
I would like to know as well!
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So far all the info I know is Xposed isn't supported yet, and SuperSU 2.74 can be used to get Root access, but I still haven't heard anything related to N and TWRP.
There's a new version of TWRP today for Nougat. The previous version wasn't staying installed. TWRP 3.0.2-1: https://dl.twrp.me/angler/twrp-3.0.2-1-angler.img.html
If you want Nougat now, you can use ADB Sideload to install this full update: http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...gs-full-android-7-0-nougat-nexus-ota-roundup/
Just boot into TWRP, choose "Advanced" and "ADB Sideload".
Then, from the command line, type adb sideload /path/to/rom.zip
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There's a new version of TWRP today for Nougat. The previous version wasn't staying installed. TWRP 3.0.2-1: https://dl.twrp.me/angler/twrp-3.0.2-1-angler.img.html
If you want Nougat now, you can use ADB Sideload to install this full update: http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...gs-full-android-7-0-nougat-nexus-ota-roundup/
Just boot into TWRP, choose "Advanced" and "ADB Sideload".
Then, from the command line, type adb sideload /path/to/rom.zip
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Nice find with TWRP. I see they've updated their Github too
Thank you kindly @anuraj1
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Thank you kindly @anuraj1
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My pleasure! I'm running 7.0 with TWRP and root with no data loss from MM. The phone is much snappier, but I might still clean install when the factory images are released.
I am not finding much info about Xposed on 7.0, but I am going to hold off on experimenting with it.
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My pleasure! I'm running 7.0 with TWRP and root with no data loss from MM. The phone is much snappier, but I might still clean install when the factory images are released.
I am not finding much info about Xposed on 7.0, but I am going to hold off on experimenting with it.
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Awesome!
One question, are you using 2.74 or 2.76 for root?
this link may also be of interest to you all: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guide-android-nougat-developer-preview-t3410906
for the developer previews, TWRP didn't play nicely, in short, it wasn't able to decrypt your data for some reason, and i managed to find this workaround. @anuraj1, do you know if the new twrp you linked works with N as it did on M, or are there not enough use cases for it yet?
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My pleasure! I'm running 7.0 with TWRP and root with no data loss from MM. The phone is much snappier, but I might still clean install when the factory images are released.
I am not finding much info about Xposed on 7.0, but I am going to hold off on experimenting with it.
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im on Pure Nexus Rom, can i just sideload it to 7.0? Assuming im keeping all my apps and data. Noting that non of my xposed apps will not work yet
Dankchild said:
Awesome!
One question, are you using 2.74 or 2.76 for root?
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I am using 2.76
My question is this:
I took the ota to Nougat, updated to the new twrp, got my phone rooted just fine, now, are there any custom kernels out yet that will work for Nougat?
With the new OTA out, will the factory images be released fairly soon? I'd like to try Nougat and this new TWRP.
kclive said:
My question is this:
I took the ota to Nougat, updated to the new twrp, got my phone rooted just fine, now, are there any custom kernels out yet that will work for Nougat?
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Yeah dude, @flar2 ElementalX has an N Kernel I do believe.
Keep getting force close on some apps. Can't use ex kernel manager.
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asj0422 said:
this link may also be of interest to you all: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guide-android-nougat-developer-preview-t3410906
for the developer previews, TWRP didn't play nicely, in short, it wasn't able to decrypt your data for some reason, and i managed to find this workaround. @anuraj1, do you know if the new twrp you linked works with N as it did on M, or are there not enough use cases for it yet?
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The new version works on N exactly as twrp worked on MM!
Can someone tell me which SuperSU to use? I wiped and started from scratch on a fresh MM and took the Nougat OTA, so I'm full stock right now with an unlocked bootloader. I have the new TWRP ready. Just need SuperSU. Thanks in advance.
I've included full instructions on how to safely update in my guide here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guides-how-to-guides-beginners-t3206928
(section 14)
I'm rooted with Xposed installed on my Pure running stock 6.0 and was wondering if I'd lose root or Xposed once the official Nougat update rolls out for us? Will I have any trouble installing it since I'm rooted?
hexbox117 said:
I'm rooted with Xposed installed on my Pure running stock 6.0 and was wondering if I'd lose root or Xposed once the official Nougat update rolls out for us? Will I have any trouble installing it since I'm rooted?
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Have u done a systemless root ? If yes, u'll get an OTA update, whenever its released. You'll be able to update securely.
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Have u done a systemless root ? If yes, u'll get an OTA update, whenever its released. You'll be able to update securely.
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Good to know, thanks!
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Good to know, thanks!
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you can not just update OTA when you are rooted. im sure you are running TWRP and you have an modified partition.
OTA wont install cause it needs stock recovery. There are options to use OTA with Flash Fire.
Look for threads om Chain Fires Flash fire and read it carefully.
Cheers.
The fact is we don't know how root will work on Nougat, or Xposed... It took Xposed a while to get support for Marshmallow when it released (a few months if I recall correctly, they almost said f*ck it and gave up on Xposed completely), could be the same thing with Nougat.
Chainfire will probably have (or has) get root working on Nougat (I really haven't investigated this)... Google has stated that the system is more secure, which they did with Lollipop and Marshmallow, and even then Chainfire stated that Google could, potentially, shut down the ability to root completely by known means quite easily.
You cannot update/upgrade with TWRP installed or when rooted... You must be stock for it to work.
While I do believe Google could shut down root capability, I don't think they will at this time. At least not on the Nexus phones. And I feel that with companies like Motorola giving the ability to unlock bootloader, I doubt it more.
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While I do believe Google could shut down root capability, I don't think they will at this time. At least not on the Nexus phones. And I feel that with companies like Motorola giving the ability to unlock bootloader, I doubt it more.
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Unlocking the bootloader to allow 3rd party recovery and roms could still be allowed if rooting stock is impossible, but I agree with your assessment... Xposed on the other hand, is just evil, wouldn't bother me one bit if it disappeared.
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About a year ago I was going to upgrade my nieces stock Nexus 7 wi-fi tablet on 4.4.4 but come to find out there was some bug in the OTA update that would brick the tablet. You had to jump through a bunch of hoops to update it like factory reset. Once my niece heard erase she didn't want any part of that. Fast forward to now and she got a fitbit type device and the software isn't compatible with the current version of the OS. So my question is...Is that bug fixed so I can take the OTA update now or do I still have to jump through all those hoops to do it? If I do have to jump through the hoops then how do I do it? Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
BoDontKnowDiddley said:
About a year ago I was going to upgrade my nieces stock Nexus 7 wi-fi tablet on 4.4.4 but come to find out there was some bug in the OTA update that would brick the tablet. You had to jump through a bunch of hoops to update it like factory reset. Once my niece heard erase she didn't want any part of that. Fast forward to now and she got a fitbit type device and the software isn't compatible with the current version of the OS. So my question is...Is that bug fixed so I can take the OTA update now or do I still have to jump through all those hoops to do it? If I do have to jump through the hoops then how do I do it? Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
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I did update a few days ago and it was ok untill it was time of the 5.1.1 update - brick, so I downloaded nexus root toolkit to get it quickly done.
Make backup using gmail or just root using nexus tool, backup with titanium backup and update to 5.1.1 or custom without worry
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I did update a few days ago and it was ok untill it was time of the 5.1.1 update - brick, so I downloaded nexus root toolkit to get it quickly done.
Make backup using gmail or just root using nexus tool, backup with titanium backup and update to 5.1.1 or custom without worry
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Ok so I root with the tool and then flash the 5.1.1 rom or do I have to go up in order?
Go to settings, about device, updates and install all the way up to 5.1.1, it might be a few updates. If the error shows then just use toolkit to recover nexus from soft brick and that's it
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Go to settings, about device, updates and install all the way up to 5.1.1, it might be a few updates. If the error shows then just use toolkit to recover nexus from soft brick and that's it
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Ok I used the tool and flashed the 5.1.1 stock image on it and relocked the bootloader. Now it is very laggy. Anyway to fix this?
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Ok I used the tool and flashed the 5.1.1 stock image on it and relocked the bootloader. Now it is very laggy. Anyway to fix this?
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The stock 5.1.1 image makes the Nexus 7 really laggy, even when running the ParrotMod fix found in another thread.
My recommendation would be to run Pure Nexus ROM by GtrCraft (links are in the Download section for ROM and GApps, which you need for Google App Store and services). Of course, use the Nexus Toolkit or TWRP as the easiest ways to flash.
Then, flash the ParrotMod fix by parrotgeek1 to help speed it up.
Once all done, it should be as fast as it will get and you won't have any updates or OTA updates to install. Pure Nexus ROM has SuperSU in it, so it will be rooted. Some apps will not work when rooted, so keep that in mind (mainly banking and some streaming apps).
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The stock 5.1.1 image makes the Nexus 7 really laggy, even when running the ParrotMod fix found in another thread.
My recommendation would be to run Pure Nexus ROM by GtrCraft (links are in the Download section for ROM and GApps, which you need for Google App Store and services). Of course, use the Nexus Toolkit or TWRP as the easiest ways to flash.
Then, flash the ParrotMod fix by parrotgeek1 to help speed it up.
Once all done, it should be as fast as it will get and you won't have any updates or OTA updates to install. Pure Nexus ROM has SuperSU in it, so it will be rooted. Some apps will not work when rooted, so keep that in mind (mainly banking and some streaming apps).
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Well I would rather not have it rooted if I can help it. I don't want my niece getting into anything a messing it up. I have read that the marshmallow pure aosp is much smoother or was that what you were talking about? Can I flash that with the nexus tool? I want to keep everything buttoned up for her.
You can use tool to flash recovery TWRP, then boot recovery copy rom aosp or slim or whatever you like, flash it and you're good to go. It'll take up to 15min.
Just read rom description and follow install instruction
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You can use tool to flash recovery TWRP, then boot recovery copy rom aosp or slim or whatever you like, flash it and you're good to go. It'll take up to 15min.
Just read rom description and follow install instruction
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Sorry for my ignorance but if I use the aosp rom I would have to keep it rooted or no? When I updated to 5.1.1 I just unlocked the BL and then flashed 5.1.1 and then relocked it. Should I have installed a recovery? I didn't think I should since I didn't want to keep it rooted.
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Well I would rather not have it rooted if I can help it. I don't want my niece getting into anything a messing it up. I have read that the marshmallow pure aosp is much smoother or was that what you were talking about? Can I flash that with the nexus tool? I want to keep everything buttoned up for her.
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There really isn't anything to mess up when the tablet is rooted. It mainly just gives you access to more settings and more customization.
If you are dead-set on using a non-rooted ROM, you could also use CyanogenMod, which is updated regularly.