Download links here: http://llabtoofer.com/2016/10/09/pixel-and-pixel-xl-system-image/
Any dev willing to port Google Pixel android ROM to Nexus 6?
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Download links here: http://llabtoofer.com/2016/10/09/pixel-and-pixel-xl-system-image/
Any dev willing to port Google Pixel android ROM to Nexus 6?
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Already tried to dump APKs, almost everything is for arm64, i think ports will not be such a thing. The included launcher and wallpaper picker are 32bit tho, but are the same as those leaked before, with a different signature tho
Unfortunate if true. I was curious what might be ported to the N6.
Someone can Im sure, and hopefully integrate Google assistant into our roms, that's the only thing I want, pixel launcher is already on my phone
Does anybody have an extractable system image, where I can pull alarms, ringtones, notifications and the SystemUI and Framework? I wouldn't mind getting ahold of that new battery icon.
I was able to unrar the images posted via that link and was able to simply ext4fuse mount them. No need to run through sim2img it appears. The media ringtones and notifications appear to be the same files that were released back in August.
file *.img
system.img: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=bbcb9ad2-245d-035f-a549-7d500312efe1 (extents) (large files)
system_other.img: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=da594c53-9beb-f85c-85c5-cedf76546f7a, volume name "system" (extents) (large files)
@Yasharkhan: I don't think Google Assistant will ever appear on the Nexus 6, for a very simple reason: the 32/64-bit divide. The Pixel/Pixel XL devices run a 64-bit Snapdragon 821 while the Snapdragon 805 in the Nexus 6 is only a 32-bit processor. 64-bit processors can run 32-bit apps, as evident by the Pixel launcher being a 32-bit app in a 64-bit system, but 32-bit processors cannot run 64-bit apps. If Google makes the Google Assistant a 64-bit app and does not create a 32-bit version, even if we could install it on the Nexus 6 it won't run. Since the Assistant is not an open source app, no one would be able to build a 32-bit version that would run on the Nexus 6.
I'd like to be wrong on this one, but the Assistant is an exclusive that only the 5X and 6P are going to get, if Google decides to provide it.
absolutely correct!
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@Yasharkhan: I don't think Google Assistant will ever appear on the Nexus 6, for a very simple reason: the 32/64-bit divide. The Pixel/Pixel XL devices run a 64-bit Snapdragon 821 while the Snapdragon 805 in the Nexus 6 is only a 32-bit processor. 64-bit processors can run 32-bit apps, as evident by the Pixel launcher being a 32-bit app in a 64-bit system, but 32-bit processors cannot run 64-bit apps. If Google makes the Google Assistant a 64-bit app and does not create a 32-bit version, even if we could install it on the Nexus 6 it won't run. Since the Assistant is not an open source app, no one would be able to build a 32-bit version that would run on the Nexus 6.
I'd like to be wrong on this one, but the Assistant is an exclusive that only the 5X and 6P are going to get, if Google decides to provide it.
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Interestingly, however, we can already install Allo, which has the Assistant. I don't think I would put it past Google to offer a 32 bit option since the code base for it is already there. 64 bit devices may see it before the N6 simply because someone will port it over to other 64 bit devices from the Pixel. But otherwise, I think Google is going to to play the long game here (maintaining official Pixel exclusivity for a while) and eventually release it for any device that can support API level 24 (?) If memory serves, Now On Tap had this kind of exclusivity when it first appeared with the 6P and 5X
With the Nexus 6 being Google's last 32-bit device, and with the Pixel line being 64-bit only, chances of the N6 getting the Assistant are between slim and none. Allo is not a terribly good example. While it does have an assistant, the assistant supposedly only works in Allo. A big stumbling block in porting the Assistant from Allo would be Google's penchant for encrypting their code.
I would like to be wrong. I'd like to think we'll get the Assistant. However, I don't see it happening.
Is the new launcher a newer version than what has leaked? if so, can it be pulled out, and posted as an APK?
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With the Nexus 6 being Google's last 32-bit device, and with the Pixel line being 64-bit only, chances of the N6 getting the Assistant are between slim and none. Allo is not a terribly good example. While it does have an assistant, the assistant supposedly only works in Allo. A big stumbling block in porting the Assistant from Allo would be Google's penchant for encrypting their code.
I would like to be wrong. I'd like to think we'll get the Assistant. However, I don't see it happening.
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I don't mean that we will see a "port" to 32 bit devices. I mean we may see official Google support sometime in the 7.x lifetime. As long as the N6 receives official 7.1 and up (which according to what I read today, the N6 may not. 7.1 will only go to devices that can support Daydream... and unless there is indeed official support for Vulcan (different argument entirely...and I don't mean developer support like Qualcomm has insinuated will be possible)), the N6 may not see 7.1 onwards.
I guess I need to upgrade to a 6p, to take advantage of a lot of the future apps.
We won't see official support, as it's not in Google's best interests to support a device that is two years old with a feature that is an exclusive on the Pixel/Pixel XL. The 32/64-bit divide is a convenient excuse to not provide the Assistant. Same goes for Vulkan.
We won't be seeing Android 7.1 anytime soon, if ever. Google has apparently not released any code related to 7.1.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
We won't see official support, as it's not in Google's best interests to support a device that is two years old with a feature that is an exclusive on the Pixel/Pixel XL. The 32/64-bit divide is a convenient excuse to not provide the Assistant. Same goes for Vulkan.
We won't be seeing Android 7.1 anytime soon, if ever. Google has apparently not released any code related to 7.1.
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That's more or less what I've been saying.
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That's more or less what I've been saying.
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No. What you said is that Google may provide official support to the N6 at some point. I said they won't provide any such support, and provided reasons as to why. How you could draw a conclusion that I said essentially the same thing as you is unknown.
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No. What you said is that Google may provide official support to the N6 at some point. I said they won't provide any such support, and provided reasons as to why. How you could draw a conclusion that I said essentially the same thing as you is unknown.
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Here is my last comment. Please reread it:
I don't mean that we will see a "port" to 32 bit devices. I mean we may see official Google support sometime in the 7.x lifetime. As long as the N6 receives official 7.1 and up (which according to what I read today, the N6 may not. 7.1 will only go to devices that can support Daydream... and unless there is indeed official support for Vulcan (different argument entirely...and I don't mean developer support like Qualcomm has insinuated will be possible)), the N6 may not see 7.1 onwards.
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I've added some highlighting for context. I'm not trying to argue with you. But, this clearly shows that I also doubt that we will see official support... So yes, within context, basically the same thing.
Cheers
Regarding Google assistant for our nexus 6.
Found this mod in Nexus 6P forum and was able to implement it in my Nexus 6 successfully.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/development/mod-google-assistant-stock-nbd90x-t3477868
Did not require flashing/porting anything at all. Must be on any stock or stock based Nougat ROM (I use latest Nutty Nexus by RachetPanda)
Warning : Experiment at your own risk. Editing build.prop may cause your device to not function properly.
My exact steps-
1. Make sure you have Google App (6.5.35.21 or newer)
2. Add ro.opa.eligible_device=true to the end of your build.prop
3. Edit build.prop and change ro.product.model=Nexus 6 to ro.product.model=Pixel
4. Clear Google App data and remove your Google account.
5. Reboot.
6. After reboot add your google account and activate Now on Tap. This will walk you through setting up Google Assistant
Bugs : Encountered none so far.
Well, contrary to what we have been saying, Google just officially said that the N6 will indeed get 7.1
And near the end is this line:
"...in early December, we’ll roll out updates to the full lineup of supported devices — Nexus 6, 5X, 6P, 9, Player, Pixel C, and supported Android One devices..."
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I just heard that Vulkan API is coming to mobile and it is supporting PowerVR chips like the one we have on the phone.
(PowerVR G6430). Some people say on the ZENTALK forum that that's why it takes so much freaking time for Asus to implement Marshmallow as they are busy incorporating the API on the phone.
If this is true just image the gigantic boost it will give to our phones! (just watch on Youtube or search on Google for more information about Vulkan API)
If Vulkan API is implemented at our phone it would be fantastic. Hope Asus will work on the API and make the best for our phone, let's see in a couple of months of so
Too good to be true man, too good to be true.
hi, I'm very interested in everything about vulkan since i could see some videos about it. But my knowledge about api, android and rom's is not that good, so i would thank you if i could get some answers.
1 - Is this implementation of API a work for ASUS or Intel?
2 - Since i saw that PowerVR Rogue has now SDK(i dont know what it is) for Vulkan, Is ANYONE able to make a custom rom that could use Vulkan?
3 - I've heard that Android N will have native support for Vulkan. Does it mean that if i download a custom rom, like a cyanogenmod, for Android N to my Zenfone 2 i will have the benefits of using Vulkan?
4 - Does anyone know if that Galasy S7 that had 135k+ on antutu was using Vulkan? Because my Zenfone 2 is a great phone and only scores 65k, it's scary to thing that a S7 should have more than the double of hardware capacity that my Zenfone has. I thing that should be because of vulkan, but i need to hear it from someone who knows what's talking.
I hope to get answers for this questions. Thank you all.
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)Some people say on the ZENTALK forum that that's why it takes so much freaking time for Asus to implement Marshmallow as they are busy incorporating the API on the phone.
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Sorry, that's not how ASUS usually manages fixes and updates. That would take time and money and we've already spent our money so they have nothing to gain, therefore nothing will happen. Only future customers are a priority for ASUS.
A happy ASUS customer is one with low expectations.
Well, at least It'd give Asus a good excuse for being so late...
Vulkan is something that would need to be implemented at the OS level on Android (mainly the kernel, no idea what other bits Google is including in the rest of the OS). And support for each hardware would need to be provided by the OEM or manufacturers. It MAY be possible for a custom ROM to implement Vulkan support in some fashion in a current version of Android (harder and more "impossible" things have been accomplished) but it's not likely due to too many technical challenges. Besides, it wouldn't happen until after Android N is released and the AOSP code is posted. Only then would someone attempt to backport Vulkan.
I'm not 100% sure, but I do believe that Vulkan support will be a requirement by Google for devices to run Android N. So if Asus does plan on upgrading the phones then they will need to include a kernel for the hardware that supports Vulkan and those drivers would come from Intel. So the chance of the Zenfone supporting Vulkan is 100%, provided Asus upgrades it to N.
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I just heard that Vulkan API is coming to mobile and it is supporting PowerVR chips like the one we have on the phone.
(PowerVR G6430). Some people say on the ZENTALK forum that that's why it takes so much freaking time for Asus to implement Marshmallow as they are busy incorporating the API on the phone.
If this is true just image the gigantic boost it will give to our phones! (just watch on Youtube or search on Google for more information about Vulkan API)
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So is the VULCAN API present in the M update?
Is Vulkan something like the Mantle for Desktops?
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Vulkan Drivers for Nexus Player
Google’s Android Image
As part of the Android N Developer Preview 2 release, Google released an Android N image for the Nexus Player that includes Vulkan drivers. You can find out more about the Android N Developer Preview here and can download the image here. As this image is officially supported by Google, we recommend using it for Vulkan Android development.
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https://community.imgtec.com/developers/powervr/vulkan/
There is two possibilities:
1- Vulkan added in Android N's mainline code, and CM14 (maybe) will do this too.
2- Vulkan driver will be only in manufacters Android N's source. In this case, will be needed to be backported.
In both possibilites, isnt impossible to do it, even without Asus help. But would be awesome if some official MM give it to us (not in the first version, obviously).
Its GPU manufacturer job to implement vulkan, they provide the drivers to OEM manufacturer implement it on their otas. Nvidia already did that on latest MM update to shield TV and shield tablet.
I've done some easy searching and found what might be the actual cause of the Xperia Z3 not being announced as getting Android N with other devices from the Sony line.
Even though we have Android 7.0 previews available and it works fine with a few software bugs that need to be ironed out, the Xperia Z3 will not be getting official Android N.
And heres why:
The problem lies in Google and their Android N requirements.
You might be asking, what do you mean by requirements the device ran the previews just fine!?
Well, Google has introduced new encryption methods in Android N which have certain hardware requirements.
The Snapdragon 800/801 don't have support for some of these newer encryption methods.
Another question you might be asking is, well we don't need these encryption methods, but Google says otherwise.
Their policy is that their encryption methods must be fully running by the time the device setup is done.
So the actual reason for the Z3 not getting Android N is both technical and legal.
In the end, its actually not Sony's fault, Sony is just following the rules which Google put.
Although I don't see any problems for Qualcomm releasing the drivers needed for further development.
We will probably see unofficial Android N on our devices, but at the moment it seems like a far stretch due to Qualcomm not wanting to release drivers.
Sources:
Android Authority
It's exactly full-disk encryption and GG haves Compatibility Definition Document (CDD) for all devices need to run Android N. So easily, Snap 800/801 have feature full-disk encryption, but with this, they do pass Compatibility Test Suite (CTS) but don't meet the CDD because read/write speed. Snap 805 is newer and have module for this feature, so can make it faster.
But, if Sony open our kernel, Snap public your driver, custom rook does not need full-disk encryption at all.
That's all I found about this.
This is just one of many reasons why we can't get N. Opengl 3.1 or Vulkan is also required for certification which only SD 805 and later have. Basically all devices older than SD 805 are sol for future updates. Now Sony could release stockbased build in a zip format through dev program without gapps which wouldn't cause issues with Google
Lets try and keep it in one thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/general/xperia-z3-wont-android-n-t3446158
Thread closed.
I was going to buy a pixel, but I changed my mind and realized that it's not worth it to spend 700$ on pixel, so I bought a 6p.
If google decides to keep it's AI exclusive to pixels, can it be ported when android 7.1 gets released?!
Sooner or later Google needs more and more data to improve the performance of the assistent, so I'm pretty confident, they will push it out to other than the Pixel phones.
That's great thank you
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Sooner or later Google needs more and more data to improve the performance of the assistent, so I'm pretty confident, they will push it out to other than the Pixel phones.
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Yes I think you're right.
I would bet it will be released with official final 7.1 update, but I don't think it will be enabled in 7.1 preview.
This is the Nexus threads. We're all nerds. We'll find a way to port those features over just be patient.
In the general section someone is saying that installing google assistant works after changing API in build.prop: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/boot-google-pixel-xl-t3477182/page3
swa100 said:
In the general section someone is saying that installing google assistant works after changing API in build.prop: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/boot-google-pixel-xl-t3477182/page3
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Do NOT change the API level. All of your Gapps will force close / break. Follow this guide to obtain Assistant.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/development/mod-google-assistant-stock-nbd90x-t3477868
@PalakMi
Please suggest a way to make our device get the Project Treble officially.
More details on Google Project Treble,
Thanks.
This can only be accomplished by the manufacturer of the phone (Oneplus) in corporation with the SoC manufacturer (Qualcomm). But we can always say pleeease with a big nice smile in the Oneplus forum and hope for the best. ?
pitrus- said:
This can only be accomplished by the manufacturer of the phone (Oneplus) in corporation with the SoC manufacturer (Qualcomm). But we can always say pleeease with a big nice smile in the Oneplus forum and hope for the best.
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As per the official OnePlus forums from I visited, I have read them saying "Treble is interesting, we will keep close an eye on it.."
Which is like killing me all the time...
Could someone from XDA OnePlus team reach out to OnePlus official and represent our request???
Project Treble would be expensive and difficult to implement. Given what OnePlus did with the OP2, it's clear where this is going.
The OP3/3T hardware will be likely be completely abandoned by next Summer. One year, folks.
Of course, Google poorly designed Android from the start and created this problem. Hardware abstraction and support for official AOSP should have been baked in from the start--or (at least) implemented before Gingerbread.
I don't use the physical buttons on this device. There's not much to wear out. This next upgrade will be forced by software. I don't give a darn about benchmarks, games, or huge pdf's; hardware isn't compelling anymore. I am going to wait and see about x86 on ARM. Even with limited performance, it would be nice to carry one device and just plug into the hotel television hdmi. Also, the updates would flow for a solid five years--longer than I would use a new device (as it should be).
There will be some broken buggy ROMS floating around for a while after next summer, but those are for kids.
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Project Treble would be expensive and difficult to implement. Given what OnePlus did with the OP2, it's clear where this is going.
The OP3/3T hardware will be likely be completely abandoned by next Summer. One year, folks.
Of course, Google poorly designed Android from the start and created this problem. Hardware abstraction and support for official AOSP should have been baked in from the start--or (at least) implemented before Gingerbread.
I don't use the physical buttons on this device. There's not much to wear out. This next upgrade will be forced by software. I don't give a darn about benchmarks, games, or huge pdf's; hardware isn't compelling anymore. I am going to wait and see about x86 on ARM. Even with limited performance, it would be nice to carry one device and just plug into the hotel television hdmi. Also, the updates would flow for a solid five years--longer than I would use a new device (as it should be).
There will be some broken buggy ROMS floating around for a while after next summer, but those are for kids.
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Dint quiet get you there mate...
you mean Treble is not a good move?
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Project Treble would be expensive and difficult to implement. Given what OnePlus did with the OP2, it's clear where this is going.
The OP3/3T hardware will be likely be completely abandoned by next Summer. One year, folks.
Of course, Google poorly designed Android from the start and created this problem. Hardware abstraction and support for official AOSP should have been baked in from the start--or (at least) implemented before Gingerbread.
I don't use the physical buttons on this device. There's not much to wear out. This next upgrade will be forced by software. I don't give a darn about benchmarks, games, or huge pdf's; hardware isn't compelling anymore. I am going to wait and see about x86 on ARM. Even with limited performance, it would be nice to carry one device and just plug into the hotel television hdmi. Also, the updates would flow for a solid five years--longer than I would use a new device (as it should be).
There will be some broken buggy ROMS floating around for a while after next summer, but those are for kids.
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Incoherent, confused, and totally off the point, what after next year there is no Android update, would that kill the phone, I still have wildfire s, it's on ginger bread, it runs youtube, Facebook and what's app, this phone will be usable till it is not broken
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Incoherent, confused, and totally off the point, what after next year there is no Android update, would that kill the phone, I still have wildfire s, it's on ginger bread, it runs youtube, Facebook and what's app, this phone will be usable till it is not broken
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I like turtles.
Is it possible for devs to port the kernel to 4.4+ once OP release sources for Oreo?
Well, given that OEM support for our device will end by mid next year, Project Treble implementation is not really worthwhile for our devices. It won't be useful to OnePlus for long (for the 3/T), and also it'll be quite expensive to be worked on.
But if OnePlus decides to pull an OPO, and grant us our wishes, we'd all be happy.
It has almost nothing to do with Oneplus, if Qualcomm update the reference msm8996 kernel to linux 4.4 then its trivial to port oneplus modifications over.
Qualcomm has practically zero motivation to do this, infact it works against their interests.
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Project Treble would be expensive and difficult to implement. Given what OnePlus did with the OP2, it's clear where this is going.
The OP3/3T hardware will be likely be completely abandoned by next Summer. One year, folks.
Of course, Google poorly designed Android from the start and created this problem. Hardware abstraction and support for official AOSP should have been baked in from the start--or (at least) implemented before Gingerbread.
I don't use the physical buttons on this device. There's not much to wear out. This next upgrade will be forced by software. I don't give a darn about benchmarks, games, or huge pdf's; hardware isn't compelling anymore. I am going to wait and see about x86 on ARM. Even with limited performance, it would be nice to carry one device and just plug into the hotel television hdmi. Also, the updates would flow for a solid five years--longer than I would use a new device (as it should be).
There will be some broken buggy ROMS floating around for a while after next summer, but those are for kids.
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x86 or ARM? Jesus, that's some pretty old CPU architecture right there. Care to elaborate as to why you want it to go further?
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x86 or ARM? Jesus, that's some pretty old CPU architecture right there. Care to elaborate as to why you want it to go further?
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I like turtles.
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I like turtles.
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Makes sense. Thanks for your informative explanation xD
OnePlus 3, 3T, 5, and 5T are all missing out on Project Treble, but will be updated to Android 8.1.
I'd rather have Treble.
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OnePlus 3, 3T, 5, and 5T are all missing out on Project Treble, but will be updated to Android 8.1.
I'd rather have Treble.
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And if OnePlus had release Project Treble but not Android 8.1, you would have also complained.
Stop complain about everything you don't have, and enjoy what you have: should I remind you that Android 8.0 should have been the last update for the OnePlus 3(T)? Plus, Project Treble targets all devices launched with Android 8.x, which is not the case for actual OnePlus phones.
Not only "OnePlus" doesn't give project treble,
Stop complaint about "Project Treble"
there is a petition going to support Project Treble for OnePlus devices
feel free to sign the petition and make a difference
We (the community) would like to ask Oneplus to support Project Treble in OOS
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And if OnePlus had release Project Treble but not Android 8.1, you would have also complained.
Stop complain about everything you don't have, and enjoy what you have: should I remind you that Android 8.0 should have been the last update for the OnePlus 3(T)? Plus, Project Treble targets all devices launched with Android 8.x, which is not the case for actual OnePlus phones.
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Project Treble is compulsory for devices launching with Oreo, but can be enabled when a device is updated (see OG Pixel/XL and Essential Phone), so OnePlus can do it if they want to.
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It has almost nothing to do with Oneplus, if Qualcomm update the reference msm8996 kernel to linux 4.4 then its trivial to port oneplus modifications over.
Qualcomm has practically zero motivation to do this, infact it works against their interests.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, just guessing here, but isn't the Google Pixel 1 getting treble? It has the same SOC, so getting the required kernel references shouldn't be a problem right?
EDIT: This is ofcourse only applicable to the 3T, so they'd have to split the OTA's from the OP3. Highly doubt that they'd do that though.
To all those who want to know more about Project Treble please use this thread to discuss about it.
What is Project Treble?
Ans. Treble is the most significant low-level change to the Android platform to date. To simplify heavily, it separates the vendor implementation from the Android framework in an effort to avoid lengthy waits for updates. . Let’s break things down a bit more:
The full update process to bring a new Android version to devices is a long and complex topic.
The “vendor” usually refers to silicon-manufacturers such as Qualcomm, but can also refer to the maker of any other proprietary hardware found in a device. The “device maker” or “OEM” usually needs to wait for the vendor to update their code so the proprietary hardware works with the Android OS framework in a newer version of Android.
However, what is happening with Project Treble is that Google is requiring that any vendor-specific code be separated from the Android OS framework and instead live in its own vendor implementation. Usually this means that there is now a separate /vendor partition on Treble-enabled smartphones that contains a bunch of HALs (Hardware Abstraction Layers).
Furthermore, vendors must implement code that lets the Android OS framework communicate with HALs in a standardized way. This is done via HIDL (HAL Interface Definition Language). With this in place, an OEM can work on an Android update without having to wait on vendors to update their HALs. Theoretically, this should speed up the entire Android update process as vendors can update their code at any time through the Play Store.
For indepth information check out this pagehttps://www.androidauthority.com/project-treble-818225/
Devices with Treble support:
- Essential PH-1
- Google Pixel
- Google Pixel XL
- HTC U11 Plus
- Huawei Honor 8 Pro
- Huawei Mate 9
- Huawei Mate 10 Pro
- Sony Xperia XZ1
- Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact
- Asus Zenfone 4 (ZE554KL)
- Honor V10
- Huawei P10/ P10 Plus
Devices which will ship with Android 8.0 Oreo will be Treble compatible by default.
Older devices will become treble compatible if the OEM creates a vendor partition via OTA update, like the Honor 8 Pro.
Custom Roms:
As of now @phhusson is working hard to make his AOSP rom boot as a fully functional rom on all the Treble supported devices, go check out the rom thread here https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...evelopment/experimental-phh-treble-t3709659"]
Check Treble Compability
Open a terminal app on your device and simply type the following command:
getprop ro.treble.enabled
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If it returns a boolean value true, your device supports Treble and if false it doesn’t.
[NOTE: New devices with Treble support are launching so its not possible for me to update the supported device list, so they'll not make their name on my list, but you can surely ask about your device on the discussion thread]
My understanding of Treble is, from the *big picture* anyway, that the responsibility for hardware access shifts from Google to the individual device mfgs.
The hope for us is that new versions of Android can be distributed much more rapidly, because testing of new hardware (or changes to existing hdw) won't have to wait for the new OS to be done, and that the interface to the hdw will be separate from the OS.
Another hope would be that a devices 'life span' would increase? (or at least stay current longer).
AsItLies said:
My understanding of Treble is, from the *big picture* anyway, that the responsibility for hardware access shifts from Google to the individual device mfgs.
The hope for us is that new versions of Android can be distributed much more rapidly, because testing of new hardware (or changes to existing hdw) won't have to wait for the new OS to be done, and that the interface to the hdw will be separate from the OS.
Another hope would be that a devices 'life span' would increase? (or at least stay current longer).
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Treble means separating the vendor source from the software source, the treble devices will have a separate vendor partition, in which the vendor source will be. Now the manufacturers will only require to make the Software bug free so that the user dosent face any problems in day to day usage. From @phhussons AOSP treble rom we can get a clear picture that by separating the vendor source, the Treble based AOSP roms will run on any Treble compatible device regardless of the SOC/hardware configuration.
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Treble means separating the vendor source from the software source, the treble devices will have a separate vendor partition, in which the vendor source will be. <snip>
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Ah yes that makes sense, it's not only the hardware source (vendor specific), it's also the vendors software (their mods and bloatware) that will be in the separate partition.
It really does sound as though this should speed up the time it takes for users to get updates of all kinds. It also seems pretty certain, non-Treble enabled devices will fall by the wayside. Doesn't seem there's any way around that?
AsItLies said:
Ah yes that makes sense, it's not only the hardware source (vendor specific), it's also the vendors software (their mods and bloatware) that will be in the separate partition.
It really does sound as though this should speed up the time it takes for users to get updates of all kinds. It also seems pretty certain, non-Treble enabled devices will fall by the wayside. Doesn't seem there's any way around that?
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For non-treble devices the only way is that the OEMs must release an OTA update which will create a separate Vendor partition, but OEMs won't do(except some recent flagships) that bcz they want sales of newer devices with Treble support. As far as time is concerned, suppose it takes 2-3months for an OEM to build a fully bug free update, but it will require 3-4weeks for the OEM to build that same update
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For non-treble devices the only way is that the OEMs must release an OTA update which will create a separate Vendor partition
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Yes, it seems the consensus is that mfg's won't risk bricking the phones by doing that kind of an OTA update? We'll see fairly soon what they'll do with the older devices.
It's good that google is calling the shots with this and is insisting new Oreo devices have it. It's bad though that devices just a few months old that cost mucho bucks may go without it.
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Yes, it seems the consensus is that mfg's won't risk bricking the phones by doing that kind of an OTA update? We'll see fairly soon what they'll do with the older devices.
It's good that google is calling the shots with this and is insisting new Oreo devices have it. It's bad though that devices just a few months old that cost mucho bucks may go without it.
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The honor 8 pro got Treble via OTA because it was one of the best selling device, but some OEMs will prefer not to do that so that customers will shift to newer devices. Like OnePlus could have easily added Treble to atleast 5/5T but they thought of not doing it, just depends upon the OEM
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The honor 8 pro got Treble via OTA because it was one of the best selling device
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Wow, I did not know that, thanks. I better read more of the Treble threads to keep up to date
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Wow, I did not know that, thanks. I better read more of the Treble threads to keep up to date
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yep surely
Mate 9 as well
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Mate 9 got treble as well with the Oreo update, major repartitioning as well.
revjamescarver said:
Mate 9 got treble as well with the Oreo update, major repartitioning as well.
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Mate 9 is in the list bro, check OP
revjamescarver said:
Mate 9 got treble as well with the Oreo update, major repartitioning as well.
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Thanks Neighbor. Huawei is rapidly moving to the top of my list of phone mfg to buy. It doesn't look like the kirin processors have much los support, but with treble... well, it seems previous prerequisites are being turned upside down.
For sure, when one evaluates (buying) a phone, many factors are relevant. But for most (if not all) of us, how long the phone will stay up to date is probably at the top of that list.
Hope the other mfg's follow Huawei's lead here, else we'll have a lot of recently mfg phones with outdated sftwr soon.
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Thanks Neighbor. Huawei is rapidly moving to the top of my list of phone mfg to buy. It doesn't look like the kirin processors have much los support, but with treble... well, it seems previous prerequisites are being turned upside down.
For sure, when one evaluates (buying) a phone, many factors are relevant. But for most (if not all) of us, how long the phone will stay up to date is probably at the top of that list.
Hope the other mfg's follow Huawei's lead here, else we'll have a lot of recently mfg phones with outdated sftwr soon.
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Huawei is the 3rd most fastest growing OEM after Apple and Samsung. What stops me from buying a Honor Device is the Kirin SOC and apps like Google Camera port dosent work on the devices except devices with Snapdragon SOC, so will wait for a device with the specs like the Mi A1 and a 18:9 display
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Huawei is the 3rd most fastest growing OEM after Apple and Samsung. What stops me from buying a Honor Device is the Kirin SOC and apps like Google Camera port dosent work on the devices except devices with Snapdragon SOC, so will wait for a device with the specs like the Mi A1 and a 18:9 display
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Very good point. So even with Treble, which SOC (the phone has) will still be relevant in some respects. I have a G6 and think a wide angle lens is da bomb, but could easily do without all the glass 'bling'.
Kirin SoC
venom928 said:
Huawei is the 3rd most fastest growing OEM after Apple and Samsung. What stops me from buying a Honor Device is the Kirin SOC and apps like Google Camera port dosent work on the devices except devices with Snapdragon SOC, so will wait for a device with the specs like the Mi A1 and a 18:9 display
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Nothing at all wrong with the Kirin SoC, performance is on par with the Qualcomm SoC, only real downfall is that Huawei doesn't sell the Kirin to other oems, otherwise it would be more widespread. The Kirin 970 with its built in NPU and and gigabit LTE modem is going to give the Qualcomm 835/845 a run for their money. Of course the port of the new Google camera app is not going to give you more than the basic functionality as it was written specifically for Google pixel devices (it doesn't give you all the features on older Google or snapdragon devices either), I installed the port on my mate 9 and it was acceptable for basic camera functions but no matter what you do you're never going to get a port of something written for another device to have the same features or performance as the stock app written for your device.
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Nothing at all wrong with the Kirin SoC, performance is on par with the Qualcomm SoC, only real downfall is that Huawei doesn't sell the Kirin to other oems, otherwise it would be more widespread. The Kirin 970 with its built in NPU and and gigabit LTE modem is going to give the Qualcomm 835/845 a run for their money. Of course the port of the new Google camera app is not going to give you more than the basic functionality as it was written specifically for Google pixel devices (it doesn't give you all the features on older Google or snapdragon devices either), I installed the port on my mate 9 and it was acceptable for basic camera functions but no matter what you do you're never going to get a port of something written for another device to have the same features or performance as the stock app written for your device.
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I agree that the Kirin Processors are good, and the reason is Kirin is Huawei's home made processor so the pairing between Hardware and Software is perfectly optimisez for better performance and as far as Better Processing is concerned, after Apple Qualcomm holds the 2nd position no doubt, yeah in near future Kirin might surpass Qualcomm interms of performance no idea.
As far as the ported app is concerned I prefer stock android/custom roms over stock roms(MIUI/EMUI) and if someone ports the stock huawei camera for Los/RR running on Huawei devices itself, I'll surely go with a Kirin device but right now thats not available so after installing a custom rom I'll prefer Google camera app, if not the ported one, I'll go with the one available in Apkmirror, though this is my own preference as I'm addicted to using stock android and google apps suite, lets see how much development the Honor 7X gets, if it gets Treble support via OTA I'll go with it else the Mi A1 as of now is my 1st choice
I'm wondering, and the answer may be 'We don't know yet', but...
Many of us have used custom ROM's to avoid using an OEM's UI, bloatware, etc. Because Treble enabled phones will have a 'Vendor' partition (which will include these UI's etc), will that then mean the mfg's specific stuff can't really be (completely) removed the way an after market ROM does?
Of course, there's always ways of disabling mfg stuff, but Roms like Los just do it all in one fell swoop (much easier).
Do we know at this point how this will work with Treble?
Cheers and Happy New Year
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I'm wondering, and the answer may be 'We don't know yet', but...
Many of us have used custom ROM's to avoid using an OEM's UI, bloatware, etc. Because Treble enabled phones will have a 'Vendor' partition (which will include these UI's etc), will that then mean the mfg's specific stuff can't really be (completely) removed the way an after market ROM does?
Of course, there's always ways of disabling mfg stuff, but Roms like Los just do it all in one fell swoop (much easier).
Do we know at this point how this will work with Treble?
Cheers and Happy New Year
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The SOC source code will reside in the vendor partition, for example The Pixel XL has SD835 so the source code of the SOC will be there in itz Vendor partition. So if you are using a Treble enabled device such as the Huawei Mate 9 which has its own custom UI, if u flash a custom rom on it, the stock OS will get completely removed and the run ROM will run on it.
The Mgf's UI is a part of the system nd not of the vendor partition.
I am planning to buy Honor 7x, I found a thread on 7X forum which has Mount points and partition layout details for 7x. In the details, i can see below line, does this mean that phone supports Treble once updated to Oreo?
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Dec 24 10:46 vendor -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p47
Orignal thread link
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-7x/development/mount-partition-layout-profile-xml-t3727990
Thanks:good: in advance!!
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I am planning to buy Honor 7x, I found a thread on 7X forum which has Mount points and partition layout details for 7x. In the details, i can see below line, does this mean that phone supports Treble once updated to Oreo?
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Dec 24 10:46 vendor -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p47
Orignal thread link
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-7x/development/mount-partition-layout-profile-xml-t3727990
Thanks:good: in advance!!
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It is evident from past experiences that the Honor 7X might get Treble via OTA update as the case was with Honor 8 Pro. The Honor 7X's source code got released a few weeks ago and I got some info that the Open Kirin team will also support the 7X so I guess the Open Kirin team will also release a Treble supported rom