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Is Z3+ worth the MONEY?

Hi guys (especially to z3+ users)! I would like to buy a Z series Xperia phone. So far (aside from the Z5), Z3+ is the only Z series that has a 5MP front camera (front cam is one of my criteria in choosing a phone). My other options are M5 and Z2 (but Z2's front camera is only 2MP..) I am also concerned with its overheating issue..is that really true or just a black propaganda? Is this phone worth the money?
By the way, if you will rate your satisfaction of Z3+ from 1 (LOWEST) to 10 (HIGHEST), what will be your score?
Thank you in advance for your opinions!

I suggest you wait until 5'1.1 update shows up. Because now most of us facing poor battery life and heat issue.
You know what, I compare my z3+ with my Z1
Most of the time Z1 open apps faster, despite it's three generations older.
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My z3+ does really have heat issue, and when it gets hot device run slower and start to lag.

I don't have heat problems and it runs smooth from the last update z3+. Yes it gets warm not hot. It's normal if it gets warm a little bit. So far i am satisfied.
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When u buy the phone or if you do it don't put anything in it. Update it first then do a factory reset and then put your app.
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Thank you for your opinions & tips! They're helpful I guess I'll just wait until November or December before I buy Z3+. By then, I hope the price will be less expensive. Z5 seems to be really awesome but I guess its price will be way out of my budget. Haha.

One word answer = Yes

By the way, if you will rate your satisfaction of Z3+ from 1 (LOWEST) to 10 (HIGHEST), what will be your score?

mark_q07 said:
By the way, if you will rate your satisfaction of Z3+ from 1 (LOWEST) to 10 (HIGHEST), what will be your score?
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4.75/5
0.25 for not having 5.1.1

If you have one of those devices which doesn't overheat so the answer would be yes. In the other hand, It's an expensive brick or toaster. My Z1 was a much better device even 2 years later. The battery last nothing, overheats a LOT (after updating to the latest version is working better but still) and the performance drops significantly. I'm about to returning it because I don't want to wait until Sony decides to give us a proper solution and I can barely use it (I tried all the possible software fixes). The problem is that I don't like other device (maybe Oneplus Two but it's too difficult to get).

illetyus said:
4.75/5
0.25 for not having 5.1.1
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Don't worry. Z3+ is a Z series Xperia. Sooner or later, it will get a software update. This phone is even included in the upcoming Marshmallow update

DryKillLogic said:
If you have one of those devices which doesn't overheat so the answer would be yes. In the other hand, It's an expensive brick or toaster. My Z1 was a much better device even 2 years later. The battery last nothing, overheats a LOT (after updating to the latest version is working better but still) and the performance drops significantly. I'm about to returning it because I don't want to wait until Sony decides to give us a proper solution and I can barely use it (I tried all the possible software fixes). The problem is that I don't like other device (maybe Oneplus Two but it's too difficult to get).
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"When u buy the phone or if you do it don't put anything in it. Update it first then do a factory reset and then put your app. " - trumastanr1
Did you already do what "trumastanr1" suggested?

mark_q07 said:
"When u buy the phone or if you do it don't put anything in it. Update it first then do a factory reset and then put your app. " - trumastanr1
Did you already do what "trumastanr1" suggested?
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Not for all users works, before last update two factory resets give a usable (not ideal) Z3+, after last update, three repairs and two factory resets give an almost-non-usable device that gets so hot so easily.....
Much of this variation is due to usage difference, so also depends in what is yours....
In general I think my z3c has (a lot) better performance, but I also think some software updates will solve all major issues, still I have to say I'm a little disappointed with this phone...
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QBerto said:
Not for all users works, before last update two factory resets give a usable (not ideal) Z3+, after last update, three repairs and two factory resets give an almost-non-usable device that gets so hot so easily.....
Much of this variation is due to usage difference, so also depends in what is yours....
In general I think my z3c has (a lot) better performance, but I also think some software updates will solve all major issues, still I have to say I'm a little disappointed with this phone...
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I see. I hope the future updates will solve its major issues.

Alright you know what caused mine to overheat even after update an app. Took it away now it's fixed.
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Hope for the new update
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Haven't noted much issues with overheating, but I've only played a bit of games here and there on it. Still waiting for a rooted firmware before I make it my daily driver.

I think it is. It's a great phone with one big flaw everyone keeps talking about, and that will probably be fixed at some point.

serrin85 said:
Haven't noted much issues with overheating, but I've only played a bit of games here and there on it. Still waiting for a rooted firmware before I make it my daily driver.
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The phone does not need root It's performance is as good as rooted ones.

Uhhm at this point Im really disappointed with this device peformance..It gets really hot even tho after 251 update android 5.0.2...It really sucks If I would compare Z3 and Z3+. My Z3 is way faster..my z3+ are so damn slow...but the design of z3+ is so much better... This is my judge for now..I really hope that a new update is coming and some custom roms will hit online soon. Maybe I will skip this device and buy a Z5...lets see if the update will change my mind

illetyus said:
The phone does not need root It's performance is as good as rooted ones.
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I'm not sure if you've noticed but the process of unlocking the bootloader in order to root the phone removes the DRM keys and diminishes camera performance, amongst other things.
This has nothing to do with performance and everything to do with restoring app backups as helium doesn't work properly on the z3+.
So unless you can suggest a way to do that (as well as installing cerberus on the system partition, uninstalling sony bloatware, spoofing mac addresses for fun and profi etc) then I would make the argument that rooting is required, well at least for me anyway.
Yes I am aware of the pre-rooted kernel by devires, but I'm waiting for dl12345's publicly released solution before taking the plunge.

Am begging for an update that fix heat problem, if this is fixed I can say is totally worth.

In terms of satisfaction, for me it's 9/10 -- for things it can do for me that off-set the negative PR.
Mainly it loses a point because the native camera app cannot record video 'forever' - the native camera app shuts itself off saying the phone is too hot after about half an hour. However using Google Camera app for video I can record 1080P video basically forever.
But it justifies points with me for the following from the top of my head-
+ Stereo sound recorded with video (coming from iPhone this is MAJOR for me)
+ microSD expandable to 128GB
+ internal SSD is 32GB which is much better starting point
+ OTG capability
+ Waterproof* with capless USB port
+ No buttons on the front (no really, I love this)
+ Call quality sounds better than my old iPhone 6 Plus
+ Decent camera for stills and video
+ Sony take audio seriously, also nice to find a mild dynamic compression option for music
+ Battery stamina modes are useful compared to anything on iOS 8 (I guess same exists on iOS 9 now)
+ If I get a notification on my phone without dismissing it but catch up on my computer - the notification dismisses itself on the phone (unlike iOS where it would never sync like that)
+ 3GB RAM, FWIW this doesn't impress me but hey
+ 64bit so in theory should have some longevity (famous last words)
+ Cheaper eco-system than iOS, no more £17.99 sync cables (I swear my kids chew them or something)
+ Really easy to record the screen (which presumably could also record phone calls - interesting), can also record the screen whilst engaging the selfie camera PiP
Currently on 5.0.2, I do think update to 5.1.1 (or M) will make this phone even better based on how 5.1.1 performs on my Z2 (which was second-hand refurb gateway to my Z3+)
The Z3+ does get warm when it's working hard (Star Wars Uprising) but in general use I don't notice any thermal issues even if they do exist.

Thinking of buying Z3+ or S5. Does Z3+ really overheats with newest updates?

Z3+ in a local tech shop is actually cheaper than a Z3.
My main focus is camera, and I seen that Z3+ overheats just after few minutes of using the camera, which is just not acceptable. Is this true?
I would offer my sister (she will buy the phone) to buy LG G4, but she will not do it because she had terrible experience with her previous low end LG device..
Is the overheating really noticeable, not warm, but actually hot to the touch?
If she will not be able to use camera to take photos/videos of her child because of overheating problems/messages/phone being hot, then it's a no no.
Then it's gonna be normal Z3/compact or S5.

Artasdmc said:
Z3+ in a local tech shop is actually cheaper than a Z3.
My main focus is camera, and I seen that Z3+ overheats just after few minutes of using the camera, which is just not acceptable. Is this true?
I would offer my sister (she will buy the phone) to buy LG G4, but she will not do it because she had terrible experience with her previous low end LG device..
Is the overheating really noticeable, not warm, but actually hot to the touch?
If she will not be able to use camera to take photos/videos of her child because of overheating problems/messages/phone being hot, then it's a no no.
Then it's gonna be normal Z3/compact or S5.
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I've had the Z3+ a few months and I have not experienced any overheating problems.
But to be sure I just tried running the camera app now for 5 min and it's not even warm.
And Android 6 will be released soon (?) which should make the phone run even smoother.
(but if it were me I'd rather buy the Z5)

I would play it safe and avoid the Z3+. There are people that complain about the camera on the Z3+. When the Z3+ reaches a certain temperature in the camera app, it will notify you and close down. That could become an irritating problem if your sister is trying to capture a memorable moment only to have the Z3+ notify that it's running hot and closing the camera app
I personally own a Z3+ and I haven't run into that problem yet. That's also because I'm not trying to record long videos or take tons of pictures in a short period of time.

rice_eater said:
I would play it safe and avoid the Z3+. There are people that complain about the camera on the Z3+. When the Z3+ reaches a certain temperature in the camera app, it will notify you and close down. That could become an irritating problem if your sister is trying to capture a memorable moment only to have the Z3+ notify that it's running hot and closing the camera app
I personally own a Z3+ and I haven't run into that problem yet. That's also because I'm not trying to record long videos or take tons of pictures in a short period of time.
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My z3+ gets hot sometimes. I did a 4k record test got past 15 mins and stopped it myself. However using armask shuts it down within a couple of minutes use. Overall I'm pleased

I've had my Z3+ for about a week. I've only gotten one notice from the system that it was overheating and that was from the Sony camera app. I was outdoors at the Zoo taking some pictures in about 80 degrees F and after about 10mins I got a message that said the temp was increasing and that if it increased higher, the camera app would close. It never did close but it got really warm. Didn't shoot any video, just pictures. Other than that, it functions flawlessly.

I'd recommend S5 over Z3+ only if you could save at least $200 (& don't mind the performance & camera downgrade). I have Z5, S6 (had S5) as well. Z3+ is the fastest one IMO. No lag, hiccup, frequent redraws - nothing. It does get warm at times with heavy usage, but I'd not call it 'too hot'. With a case on, I don't think the user will notice anything.
About the camera (stock app),
- Like someone already stated, AR stuff can close the app after couple minutes. That's way more than I'd ever need, but it may matter to you
- 4K recording: >10 min (indoor), > 7/8 minute (outdoor, YMMV based on env. temp)
- 1080p: I did 25 min (indoor) before I decided to stop. People over here did more than 50 minutes using google camera app
I don't think any other app can overheat the phone. Oh, the first fw was a mess, probably that's why it got some bad reviews. So update it right away if you end up getting one!

When I first rooted my Z3+ and tried different kernels with different tweaks the phone got so hot I thought it was going to melt. I went to everything as stock as possible using the "Custom US" ROM and everything has been pretty good. But recently I switched to the Global ROM and the battery has been better and the camera app lasts a lot longer. That being said I am sure people will see different results than I with their phones. The Z3+ is just disappointing that not enough developers are involved with it. Hopefully the Marshmallow release will change that.

It's a good phone ruined by poor cooling, games will routinely start to stutter and the screen will dim as soon as throttling is involved (which is basically any game that lasts longer than 2 mins.)

If you do decide on another phone, check to see which Snapdragon processor is in the phone too. The Snapdragon 810 is what's in the Z3+ and some other phones that have the 810 also experience overheating problems.

Overheating WAS problem in the beginning. I had One m9 and g flex2 and they too had overheating problems. But with updates the problem was solved for every device.

aragorn771 said:
When I first rooted my Z3+ and tried different kernels with different tweaks the phone got so hot I thought it was going to melt. I went to everything as stock as possible using the "Custom US" ROM and everything has been pretty good. But recently I switched to the Global ROM and the battery has been better and the camera app lasts a lot longer. That being said I am sure people will see different results than I with their phones. The Z3+ is just disappointing that not enough developers are involved with it. Hopefully the Marshmallow release will change that.
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Hello aragorn771!
How did you install a global Rom? I've been stuck since I rooted my phone Z3+Dual and installed a custom kernel to get root, I didn't try so much things like installing other Rom or flashing because I don't want to go on a bootloop.
Can you tell me what is way to go please?:fingers-crossed:

lilloscar said:
Hello aragorn771!
How did you install a global Rom? I've been stuck since I rooted my phone Z3+Dual and installed a custom kernel to get root, I didn't try so much things like installing other Rom or flashing because I don't want to go on a bootloop.
Can you tell me what is way to go please?:fingers-crossed:
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I installed the ROM through Flashtool then re-rooted through Fastboot with the the recovery kernel. I tried a few ROMs through Xperifirm and settled at the global one.

I just arrived on Z3+. I had a problem with my Z3 and the warranty send me the Z3+. There's this problem of overheating. I didn't found this global rom on xperiafirm but there is a China's update. Someone knows if they correct this bug?

toledo22 said:
I just arrived on Z3+. I had a problem with my Z3 and the warranty send me the Z3+. There's this problem of overheating. I didn't found this global rom on xperiafirm but there is a China's update. Someone knows if they correct this bug?
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I also had trouble also had problems with my Z3 and Sony sent me a Z3 +
Z3 + is horrible compared to Z3, it becomes too hot and shut the camera off after a few minutes, and also very lag!
.266 Update does not correct these problems and this FW does not have google apps.
I have already been in contact with Sony to send me another Z3 me or return the money because I was very disappointed with Z3 +!
I believe that with update 5.1.1 for Xperia Z3 + will greatly improve the overall stability of the device, as well as Z3 had a great improvement (Art / Zram)

Gustavo RD78 said:
..I believe that with update 5.1.1 for Xperia Z3 + will greatly improve the overall stability of the device, as well as Z3 had a great improvement (Art / Zram)
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I'm under the impression they are going straight for 6.0. Just hope it's happening soon..

I have been using the Z3 + for a few months haven't had any insane heating issues. Watching youtube for hrs on end or taking pics or filming. If your filming 4k for extended periods I'm sure it will add some heat but otherwise it's been pretty sweet. Looking forward to seeing 6.0 update.

Aetu said:
I'm under the impression they are going straight for 6.0. Just hope it's happening soon..
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On Dual Sim model, not so soon like always...

GrimReaper24 said:
I have been using the Z3 + for a few months haven't had any insane heating issues. Watching youtube for hrs on end or taking pics or filming. If your filming 4k for extended periods I'm sure it will add some heat but otherwise it's been pretty sweet. Looking forward to seeing 6.0 update.
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Have you downloaded and installed the latest OS updates for your Z3+?

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Have you downloaded and installed the latest OS updates for your Z3+?
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Yes I have. I always keep things updated to the latest. Looking forward to seeing the 6.0 layout should help out on battery life. Haven't rooted this yet. Think a lot of the heating issues people have had in the past are from long periods of 4k filming and playing around for a long time with the AR Effect.
I've read a lot about this phone catching poo for snapdragon 810 and so on for heating issues which turned a lot of people away from it. The updates have smoothed it out a lot. I haven't had any issues or force closures. Tho I don't film 20 to 30 mins of 4k lol.

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Yes I have. I always keep things updated to the latest.Looking forward to seeing the 6.0 layout should help out on battery life. Haven't rooted this yet. Think a lot of the heating issues people have had in the past are from long periods of 4k filming and playing around for a long time with the AR Effect.
I've read a lot about this phone catching poo for snapdragon 810 and so on for heating issues which turned a lot of people away from it. The updates have smoothed it out a lot. I haven't had any issues or force closures. Tho I don't flim 20 to 30 mins of 4k lol.
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Oh ok, that's very good to read then, since I am considering this phone as a replacement for my broken LG G4 (which is going to be sent for warranty repairs, then sold once it comes back).
How about lag? I have read that it lags during everyday use...is it buttery-smooth when browsing the web, switching between apps, etc.?

I'm returning my Z5C - here's why

I am so disappointed this phone didn't deliver what I expected. I absolutely loved it from the moment I received it, but it just won't work out. I am returning it today and going back to my Z3. The reasons are:
Snapdragon 810
Yep, that's it. This otherwise amazing phone was ruined by the SD810. I use my phones as my main camera, which has to work properly under tough situations. Nearly every phone I've had before was able to handle extreme conditions well; the Z5C wasn't. I take lots of pictures and videos, often north of 300 plus about an hour of 1080p videos per day. My Z1C withstood hot tropical summers and delivered every time under these conditions.
I was out last weekend and ready to test the camera on my new toy. I used Waze for about 20 minutes, starting from "idle." The phone got warm really fast. Then I got to the destination, thought I could record some 60fps 1080p videos, and was able to record about 10 minutes, then I got the famous message saying that the temperature was rising and the camera app would shut down soon to cool down the phone. It was uncomfortably hot. Mind you, the weather was fairly cool at 60°F. The battery was also going downhill real fast. I decided to turn the phone off and head out to another location. When I got there, I turned the phone back on (it cooled down quickly), and started recording some more videos. By now I was afraid to record anything longer than 5 minutes because I thought the phone would overheat and leave me hanging without a camera. I didn't get to that point, but missed lots of opportunities because of the overheating threat.
In less demanding situations, my phone got warm and uncomfortable to hold as well. From idle, my phone gets warm by simply surfing the internet for 5-10 minutes. It can be on Wifi or LTE, max/min brightness, it will warm up regardless. It doesn't get hot like when taking pictures, but come on. How can it get warm after 5-10 minutes of surfing the internet? That's really bad. The default state of the phone is running warm. Imagine if I go outside during summer and take 2 or 3 pictures. The phone is gonna melt in my hand. I can't rely on it. That's very unfortunate, because this phone is the absolutely best thing I've ever had the privilege of owning. Everything else is perfect. Size, battery life, screen, storage, fingerprint reader, waterproofing, open USB port... I'm gonna have to sit down and patiently wait for the next Compact to come out. What a shame.

Some people complain about the heat but others don't... Hopefully my phone doesn't have the misaligned lens issue, the back crack issue and the overheating issue. My Z1 compact is totally wrecked, worst comes to worst I'll just wait for the Z6 compact.

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Some people complain about the heat but others don't... Hopefully my phone doesn't have the misaligned lens issue, the back crack issue and the overheating issue. My Z1 compact is totally wrecked, worst comes to worst I'll just wait for the Z6 compact.
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same here.. hoping the device I ordered is free of issues.. I finally found a deal on amazon for $460..fingers crossed!

android_fury said:
I am so disappointed this phone didn't deliver what I expected. I absolutely loved it from the moment I received it, but it just won't work out. I am returning it today and going back to my Z3. The reasons are:
Snapdragon 810
Yep, that's it. This otherwise amazing phone was ruined by the SD810. I use my phones as my main camera, which has to work properly under tough situations. Nearly every phone I've had before was able to handle extreme conditions well; the Z5C wasn't. I take lots of pictures and videos, often north of 300 plus about an hour of 1080p videos per day. My Z1C withstood hot tropical summers and delivered every time under these conditions.
I was out last weekend and ready to test the camera on my new toy. I used Waze for about 20 minutes, starting from "idle." The phone got warm really fast. Then I got to the destination, thought I could record some 60fps 1080p videos, and was able to record about 10 minutes, then I got the famous message saying that the temperature was rising and the camera app would shut down soon to cool down the phone. It was uncomfortably hot. Mind you, the weather was fairly cool at 60°F. The battery was also going downhill real fast. I decided to turn the phone off and head out to another location. When I got there, I turned the phone back on (it cooled down quickly), and started recording some more videos. By now I was afraid to record anything longer than 5 minutes because I thought the phone would overheat and leave me hanging without a camera. I didn't get to that point, but missed lots of opportunities because of the overheating threat.
In less demanding situations, my phone got warm and uncomfortable to hold as well. From idle, my phone gets warm by simply surfing the internet for 5-10 minutes. It can be on Wifi or LTE, max/min brightness, it will warm up regardless. It doesn't get hot like when taking pictures, but come on. How can it get warm after 5-10 minutes of surfing the internet? That's really bad. The default state of the phone is running warm. Imagine if I go outside during summer and take 2 or 3 pictures. The phone is gonna melt in my hand. I can't rely on it. That's very unfortunate, because this phone is the absolutely best thing I've ever had the privilege of owning. Everything else is perfect. Size, battery life, screen, storage, fingerprint reader, waterproofing, open USB port... I'm gonna have to sit down and patiently wait for the next Compact to come out. What a shame.
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I think you can just tick the " Don't show this again" on the temperature rising warning aaaaand it wouldn't appear unless it just closes the app down :|

yubeie said:
same here.. hoping the device I ordered is free of issues.. I finally found a deal on amazon for $460..fingers crossed!
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My one doesn't heat up or anything but I do have a bit of lens blur... I'm not sure if it's worth the hassle returning though

android_fury said:
I am so disappointed this phone didn't deliver what I expected. I absolutely loved it from the moment I received it, but it just won't work out. I am returning it today and going back to my Z3. The reasons are:
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Just turn off any video stabilization as it generates most of the heat and you are good to live with Z5c now but yes it would still a bit uncomfortable to hold. Shame on SD810.

TheEndHK said:
Just turn off any video stabilization as it generates most of the heat and you are good to live with Z5c now but yes it would still a bit uncomfortable to hold. Shame on SD810.
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That's a restriction. I want to use it to its full potential. Even crappy Samsung phones have OIS nowadays. I shouldn't have to turn stuff off just so the phone works normally. Damn it, this sucks. I loved the phone so much, like I hadn't in a long time. This stupid SD820 had better be the best processor ever created. I'll be first in line to get the next Compact.

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That's a restriction. I want to use it to its full potential. Even crappy Samsung phones have OIS nowadays. I shouldn't have to turn stuff off just so the phone works normally. Damn it, this sucks. I loved the phone so much, like I hadn't in a long time. This stupid SD820 had better be the best processor ever created. I'll be first in line to get the next Compact.
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I like my old Z1c got much better heat control, just like you but the focus on that camera is so painful, always hit and miss, too slow. If the next compact got OIS, I'll probably get one too.

The Snapdragon never poses an issue for me but I live in Britain where the weather barely ever gets really, really hot.
I will also be first to get the next Z Compact, just because I love my Z5 Compact so much. No other small phone offers this many premium specifications. For this reason I have become a Sony fan since Google decided to go big for the Nexus 6P.
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supercakefish said:
The Snapdragon never poses an issue for me but I live in Britain where the weather barely ever gets really, really hot.
I will also be first to get the next Z Compact, just because I love my Z5 Compact so much. No other small phone offers this many premium specifications. For this reason I have become a Sony fan since Google decided to go big for the Nexus 6P.
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Hong Kong is extremely hot, expected to see many Z5 users to do IPX67 water cooling in toilet during summer here.

Hm...It's interesting.
First i thought that it's a real problem in my phone too, cause when i played Real Racing 3 after 10 minutes of playing the phone got warm and the battery go fast. Then today i read your report about camera and i started to worry. I quickly tried out my and after taking 10:24 minutes of 4K video the phone got hot but not extremely, in my impressions it was trully acceptable and i got no warnings about temperature (just the information at the start of recording).
i have an idea about getting warm when recording... when i start the recording i got a notif. about saving data to internal storage or if i have a high speed SD i can use it too. So i thinking is it possible that when you have inserted a low speed SD card in, the SD810 needs to work harder and this is the point why its warming up faster???? is it a possible way of it??? (i have Kingston MicroSD 64GB Class 10 UHS-I)

Midleo said:
i have an idea about getting warm when recording... when i start the recording i got a notif. about saving data to internal storage or if i have a high speed SD i can use it too. So i thinking is it possible that when you have inserted a low speed SD card in, the SD810 needs to work harder and this is the point why its warming up faster???? is it a possible way of it??? (i have Kingston MicroSD 64GB Class 10 UHS-I)
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I only used the internal storage for the camera. It still overheated. That sucks.

android_fury said:
I only used the internal storage for the camera. It still overheated. That sucks.
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Hm...Strange... Today i tested again my phone with gaming... Its getting hot but acceptable... I think you should get the phone back to the market or service center!

I'm using my Z5 Compact (white) for PS4 remote gaming and Moonlight remote PC gaming along with quite a lot of 4K recording. The SD810 really shows its muscle there, super low latency with it. . 4K videos top out at around 40 minutes before closing. Honestly couldn't be happier. It never gets excessively hot.
Really seems like luck of the draw on the heat side. I had a faulty unit before this one that leaked water through the headphone jack which couldn't record 4K for more than 10 mins before heating too much shutting down. It also heated a lot during average use. Maybe some are getting more thermal paste love during construction. I dunno.

dave-ro-mex said:
I'm using my Z5 Compact (white) for PS4 remote gaming and Moonlight remote PC gaming along with quite a lot of 4K recording. The SD810 really shows its muscle there, super low latency with it. . 4K videos top out at around 40 minutes before closing. Honestly couldn't be happier. It never gets excessively hot.
Really seems like luck of the draw on the heat side. I had a faulty unit before this one that leaked water through the headphone jack which couldn't record 4K for more than 10 mins before heating too much shutting down. It also heated a lot during average use. Maybe some are getting more thermal paste love during construction. I dunno.
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for a premium device.. honestly the kind of issues being reported is unacceptable.. i am still taking my chances.. but just one chance n hoping it clicks! .. I remember spending close to 1700 dollars on vaio s laptop ..... awesome looks.. horrible performance...immediately returned it.

I was really interested in buying a Z5c. but after this thread I'm thinking about buying Z3c, and I can have CyanogenMod on it.

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I was really interested in buying a Z5c. but after this thread I'm thinking about buying Z3c, and I can have CyanogenMod on it.
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I have a regular Z3 and tried recording 1080p 60fps videos with the original ROM. It overheated almost as fast as the Z5C, although it never gets as hot as the Z5C during regular use (no gaming). What I mean by overheating is that the ROM closed the camera app and didn't let me use it again until the phone cooled down.
About CyanogenMod on the Z3, be aware that the camera has a fisheye problem that hasn't been and probably will never be fixed. All your pictures will be horribly distorted, especially at short distances.

Thanks for the information, why there is this much problem with these devices!
I'm very into having small android devices, and I think these two are my only options.
I so much wanted to experience cyanogen, but camera problem! Doesn't cyanogen update reqularly?

SelfAwareDroid said:
Thanks for the information, why there is this much problem with these devices!
I'm very into having small android devices, and I think these two are my only options.
I so much wanted to experience cyanogen, but camera problem! Doesn't cyanogen update reqularly?
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For cyanogen, you would have to unlock bootloader, which will lead to a drop in camera quality, loss of x reality, super vivid mode, and other features. Plus there's the fisheye bug on Z3c on CM. Soooo you might no want to go for cyanogen. Sony's UI looks plenty stock like so I don't think there's any need to be honest.

Sadman Khan said:
For cyanogen, you would have to unlock bootloader, which will lead to a drop in camera quality, loss of x reality, super vivid mode, and other features. Plus there's the fisheye bug on Z3c on CM. Soooo you might no want to go for cyanogen. Sony's UI looks plenty stock like so I don't think there's any need to be honest.
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I think there's a point when you start leaning toward the stock roms and don't see enough benefits in AOSP. I'm using the phone without root and a locked bootloader.
*I returned my Z5C, but ended up grabbing another one. What an amazing phone.

Z3 Compact Vs Z5 Compact

So,
My Z3 Compact died today.
And im looking to replace it.
I want a similar phone, but I'm not findng other with similiar specifications with a small screen (I want with Small screen).
So I was thinking to buy Z5 compact. Money isn't really the problem for me, but I want a small display yet powerful phone like Z3C.
Help me decide which to buy, and if you have an idea of another phone, share it.
Looking forward for your ideas.
A sad former Z3C owner

Z5c is very very valuable now bcoz the GPU is almost double faster than X Compact plus Z5c got water-proof at much cheaper price now. Developements on Z5c is little but finally we've got some on progress like we have TA backup, drm patch, 3rd kernel and custom roms.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/general/mod-t3250283
Camera on Z5c been much improved with this very new cam mod just released but you'll need root. The image quality now on Z5c near XC.
The real problem on Z5c is heating(not to the level over heat but close to), you can solve it by applying a simple patch or SmartTempX but in both cases, you'll also need root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/general/mod-t3250283
Simple patch. I'm using this one on XPower V3.0 rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/development/mod-smartemperaturex-best-balanced-s810-t3438890
SmartempX should be even lower the temp down but may bring in some bugs like slow charging.
If you only run stock and don't want to root, I'll actually suggest you to get X Compact with less heating by default and a bit better camera(got extra IR sensor and laser focus) and also with 3GB ram. If you want water-proof only Z3c or Z5c but Z5c without root isn't that good to use in my opinions(mainly hot), with root it can be a phone much better than Z3c.

TheEndHK said:
Z5c is very very valuable now bcoz the GPU is almost double faster than X Compact plus Z5c got water-proof at much cheaper price now. Developements on Z5c is little but finally we've got some on progress like we have TA backup, drm patch, 3rd kernel and custom roms.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/general/mod-t3250283
Camera on Z5c been much improved with this very new cam mod just released but you'll need root. The image quality now on Z5c near XC.
The real problem on Z5c is heating(not to the level over heat but close to), you can solve it by applying a simple patch or SmartTempX but in both cases, you'll also need root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/general/mod-t3250283
Simple patch. I'm using this one on XPower V3.0 rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/development/mod-smartemperaturex-best-balanced-s810-t3438890
SmartempX should be even lower the temp down but may bring in some bugs like slow charging.
If you only run stock and don't want to root, I'll actually suggest you to get X Compact with less heating by default and a bit better camera(got extra IR sensor and laser focus) and also with 3GB ram. If you want water-proof only Z3c or Z5c but Z5c without root isn't that good to use in my opinions(mainly hot), with root it can be a phone much better than Z3c.
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THanks for your feedback,
But the X Compact still didnt arrive in my country, and I'm looking for a immediate replacement, thats why its not an option for me.
And yes, I'm going to root the phone that I buy.

like TheEndHK said , X is the about the same GPU speed as Z3C, but !lower about 40-80% from Z5C, (the cpu speed is about the same until Z5c becoming hot!
so..
cons for Z5c heating fast and become slow and low multitasking (2GB RAM) only one big app can be opened
pros for Z5c is waterproof and 4K
cons for the XC is lower GPu no water resist
pros for the XC doesn't heat as much(at least not affect cpu speed) and 3GB Ram
long story short if want play high end games go for the Z5C.
if you want mostly basic uses (instagram, sms,Facebook,whatsapp, google map,) X Compat will be good enough

inexkecible said:
THanks for your feedback,
But the X Compact still didnt arrive in my country, and I'm looking for a immediate replacement, thats why its not an option for me.
And yes, I'm going to root the phone that I buy.
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If you're willing to root go for Z5c with thermal patch and new mod camera. Since we've got TA backup now, root will not avoid warranty. If no root just buy a second one Z3c.
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Superrman said:
like TheEndHK said , X is the about the same GPU speed as Z3C, but !lower about 40-80% from Z5C, (the cpu speed is about the same until Z5c becoming hot!
so..
cons for Z5c heating fast and become slow and low multitasking (2GB RAM) only one big app can be opened
pros for Z5c is waterproof and 4K
cons for the XC is lower GPu no water resist
pros for the XC doesn't heat as much(at least not affect cpu speed) and 3GB Ram
long story short if want play high end games go for the Z5C.
if you want mostly basic uses (instagram, sms,Facebook,whatsapp, google map,) X Compat will be good enough
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Heavily debloated the rom and using greenify donated with xposed together improved the memory management a bit though it won't be as nice as 3GB ram but in the acceptable range now for a 2GB ram device.
The main shortage to me Z5c camera not good to it's price and other competitors but now with the newly developed mod cam I think it's accepatble finally.

TheEndHK said:
If you're willing to root go for Z5c with thermal patch and new mod camera. Since we've got TA backup now, root will not avoid warranty. If no root just buy a second one Z3c.
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Thanks, I think im going to get the z5c, I don't play much, but I like a fast. The z3c was doing everything i needed, but when something stops working I normally look for a better one, since I saw many negative reviews of z5c of overheating it kind of scared me. And then I started thinking about getting another z3c
I'm still puzzled of what I'll do, but most likely will get a z5c, or anyone has another good substitute? Of another brand with similar specs and size
I really liked the Sony compact line tho.
About the warranty , in my country we don't have official Sony official store (not even official Samsung store), so we're kind of on our own.

inexkecible said:
Thanks, I think im going to get the z5c, I don't play much, but I like a fast. The z3c was doing everything i needed, but when something stops working I normally look for a better one, since I saw many negative reviews of z5c of overheating it kind of scared me. And then I started thinking about getting another z3c
I'm still puzzled of what I'll do, but most likely will get a z5c, or anyone has another good substitute? Of another brand with similar specs and size
I really liked the Sony compact line tho.
About the warranty , in my country we don't have official Sony official store (not even official Samsung store), so we're kind of on our own.
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These thermal patches will lower cpu clock according to temp and lower default cpu clock. The sd810 is over-powered on 720P and expected double speed gain over sd800/801, a lower clock still faster than my old Z1c without worry.
Any new cpu is hotter than the previous generation of sd800/801 nowadays, even with X Compact sd650 should be hotter. So with thermal patch I think it is accepatble. If you want super cool device then get back Z3c but Sony said no Andorid 7.0.

I like my z5c but I want to be at the bleeding edge of technology. This is why I'm considering the new 5.2" pixel phone.

TheEndHK said:
These thermal patches will lower cpu clock according to temp and lower default cpu clock. The sd810 is over-powered on 720P and expected double speed gain over sd800/801, a lower clock still faster than my old Z1c without worry.
Any new cpu is hotter than the previous generation of sd800/801 nowadays, even with X Compact sd650 should be hotter. So with thermal patch I think it is accepatble. If you want super cool device then get back Z3c but Sony said no Andorid 7.0.
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This is one of the things that i want , I'm like a tech geek and want the latest firmware and stuff. The only game i had was Pokemon Go on my Z3c, it was normally heating when i was playing, and it also heats when using the camera.

TheEndHK said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/general/mod-t3250283
Camera on Z5c been much improved with this very new cam mod just released but you'll need root. The image quality now on Z5c near XC.
The real problem on Z5c is heating(not to the level over heat but close to), you can solve it by applying a simple patch or SmartTempX but in both cases, you'll also need root.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/general/mod-t3250283
Simple patch. I'm using this one on XPower V3.0 rom.
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The two links are to the same thread - what link should it be for the first one, about the camera?

I'd like the link to the camera thread, too. I had stumbled across it early last week, but I can't find it again.

pelago said:
The two links are to the same thread - what link should it be for the first one, about the camera?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/mod-cyberian-camera-t3267271/page181
This Cyberian mod cam should be based on X/XP cam apk.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/sonyz5-family-unlocked-xz-xc-camera-t3463148
This is new one based on XC. However, not sure which is better I need more time to do testing. XC should be better in terms of detail very slightly but I feel that the Cyberian from XP/XP got more accurate AWB and AE, need time to run a full testing. ATM, I more recommended Cyberian.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/mod-project-xperivision-artemisia-ii-t3451137
third one is coming up to support z5c

I like z3c more because of Concept ROM, but it got old and the front and rear panel started to peel off and bought myself z5c as z3c wasnt available anymore

Personally I find Xperia Z5 Compact to be slow. I have Xpower 3.0 running with AndroPlus v36, yet it lags a ton more than the HTC One M8 did.
Planning to reinstall original firmware and root it without a custom rom. That seems to be the most stable option sadly. The thermal mod I use is called SmartTemperatureX and is working fairly good. Your phone will still overheat, but works a bit better with this mod. Overall I don't really like this phone that much, but it's not awful either. I don't really recommend it, if you can find any other phone you'd be happy with.

I'm pretty pleased with mine. I recently replaced a Z3 Compact with one, and it seems a fair amount smoother and faster, and the Ringke case I have is more comfortable to hold since it doesn't have all of the cutouts that the Z3 cases have to have. The only thing I don't like as much is that the front speakers don't seem quite as loud as the Z3's. With the X Compact's camera app installed, the camera is a lot faster than the Z3's too, which is nice since my wife likes me to take pictures of the kids, and they don't stand still for anything! I was also pleasantly surprised that the white Z5 Compact doesn't look nearly as cheap in person as pictures make it out to be. It has a nice pearl white paint job.

I bought the Z5c, but is there a way to lower the cpu temp without root? Because i wont have time to root these days...
It doesnt heat as much i thought, heats up a little bit more than z3c. but not THAT much. I ike the design and I'm loving the phone, fast, smooth,small, everything i want/need in a phone!

Lelelelel said:
Personally I find Xperia Z5 Compact to be slow. I have Xpower 3.0 running with AndroPlus v36, yet it lags a ton more than the HTC One M8 did.
Planning to reinstall original firmware and root it without a custom rom. That seems to be the most stable option sadly. The thermal mod I use is called SmartTemperatureX and is working fairly good. Your phone will still overheat, but works a bit better with this mod. Overall I don't really like this phone that much, but it's not awful either. I don't really recommend it, if you can find any other phone you'd be happy with.
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I think MM got little memory leaks after long or heavy use, I got some lags too on XPower V3 after intensive use, a reboot usually will fix but it will come again if you are power user.
You can downgrade to LP, when I was with .152/.200 stock LP, I remember I don't have any lag at all. But since XPower V3 fixed my battery drain/radio active bug and MM got a much better mod camera, I've no choice but to stick with it.
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Saaber said:
I'm pretty pleased with mine. I recently replaced a Z3 Compact with one, and it seems a fair amount smoother and faster, and the Ringke case I have is more comfortable to hold since it doesn't have all of the cutouts that the Z3 cases have to have. The only thing I don't like as much is that the front speakers don't seem quite as loud as the Z3's. With the X Compact's camera app installed, the camera is a lot faster than the Z3's too, which is nice since my wife likes me to take pictures of the kids, and they don't stand still for anything! I was also pleasantly surprised that the white Z5 Compact doesn't look nearly as cheap in person as pictures make it out to be. It has a nice pearl white paint job.
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Good to hear. I think you can tweak the speakers volume with mods or modifiy it by yourself, the file should be Mixer_paths.xml
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inexkecible said:
I bought the Z5c, but is there a way to lower the cpu temp without root? Because i wont have time to root these days...
It doesnt heat as much i thought, heats up a little bit more than z3c. but not THAT much. I ike the design and I'm loving the phone, fast, smooth,small, everything i want/need in a phone!
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.224 should be cooler and .253 is hotter probably pushing cpu harder and faster. You can do water cooling on street or in toliet.

TheEndHK said:
Camera on Z5c been much improved with this very new cam mod just released but you'll need root. The image quality now on Z5c near XC.
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Hi man, what's the name of that cam mod you are talking about?

Okey, quick update. Reinstalled original newest firmware, rooted, installed Xposed, installed SmartTemperatureX and finally installed FauxSound and a FauxSound-compatible kernel (Zach's). This means I finally got smooth, stable performance, great audioquality (no white noise anymore, yey ) and enough customization . Batterylife is also good.
I can finally say I'm happy with my device again. If you know how to tweak your device, it can become pretty powerful, as long as you don't install a custom ROM (in my personal experience).

TheEndHK said:
.224 should be cooler and .253 is hotter probably pushing cpu harder and faster. You can do water cooling on street or in toliet.
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Hahaa, so I installed the .253 version, and i feel that its not heating as much as the .224. i'll write again after testing tomorrow or the day after.
And the .253 update remove the ability to change the keyboard height, now i cant make it smaller (the normal uses half the screen, thats a lot!) .
Add the OTG isnt working, tried everything. I've plugged my Sandisk OTG 64gb Thumb drive, and it didnt recongnize, when I clicked to detect usb device, same goes for my usb mouse(with OTG adapter).
I don't have the luxury to replace the phone with the seller or give to Sony to fix/replace
Can't change because it was the last one, and there's no such thing as an Official (any brand1) store in my city/country.
-Water cooling on a phone?
lol
edit: the keyboard thing its fixed , just needed to upgate the Keyboard app on playstore

Thinking about downgrade from 7 to 6.0.1 or even 5.1.1

Every firmware update the phone become slower and more bugs , most of them didnt fix
also antutu benchmark was 80-90K when was new
now is 60-70K like z3 score :\

Superrman said:
Every firmware update the phone become slower and more bugs , most of them didnt fix
also antutu benchmark was 80-90K when was new
now is 60-70K like z3 score :\
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No lags at all here.

My phone's performance is too low as well. I'm under stock rooted Nougat...
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Stock Nougat 7.0 build 376, AndroPlus Kernel, rooted, debloated = 86999

Found solution
I found the problem to the low benchmarks. Its the heat of the phone.
- A cool phone can do 80000-85000
- ice cold phone in a glass of ice water can do 90500,
- hot phone does 55000
all my test where done on Android 7.0, stock rom, rooted, Androplus kernel.

Superrman said:
Every firmware update the phone become slower and more bugs , most of them didnt fix
also antutu benchmark was 80-90K when was new
now is 60-70K like z3 score :\
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It's good to see you and other old guys still around. I've been moved to HTC U11 6GB+128GB since last month and the camera is day and night different.
It's normal to see the phone become slower bcoz every new ver of android requires more memory and Z5c just got 2GB ram. Yup, when I was upgraded to 6.0.1, I found slower and some memory management problem and 5.1.1 is very smooth. However, the 6.0.1 fixed my battery idle draining problem and improved camera.
I've some good memories with Z5c and generally was happy with it but the relatively lower quality of FHD/4K video recording and over heating issues bugging me out. I'm a video lover.
The U11 camera is like 2~3 times better than Z5c I've to say. No heat issue, fast like hell(since the cpu no need to slow down due to over hot) and I've never to bother the memory problem bcoz I never spend up 6GB. It also got dual sim and 128GB storage.
The main problem is U11's size very big just same as Iphone 7 Plus. I know the XZ1 Compact is coming out soon with S835 and 4GB ram. I may give it a try but just spend all money on U11......

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Stock 7.1.1 with root and modded stock kernel.

TheEndHK said:
It's good to see you and other old guys still around. I've been moved to HTC U11 6GB+128GB since last month and the camera is day and night different.
It's normal to see the phone become slower bcoz every new ver of android requires more memory and Z5c just got 2GB ram. Yup, when I was upgraded to 6.0.1, I found slower and some memory management problem and 5.1.1 is very smooth. However, the 6.0.1 fixed my battery idle draining problem and improved camera.
I've some good memories with Z5c and generally was happy with it but the relatively lower quality of FHD/4K video recording and over heating issues bugging me out. I'm a video lover.
The U11 camera is like 2~3 times better than Z5c I've to say. No heat issue, fast like hell(since the cpu no need to slow down due to over hot) and I've never to bother the memory problem bcoz I never spend up 6GB. It also got dual sim and 128GB storage.
The main problem is U11's size very big just same as Iphone 7 Plus. I know the XZ1 Compact is coming out soon with S835 and 4GB ram. I may give it a try but just spend all money on U11......
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Sound good! congratz, htc stopped with stereo speakers, also with headphone jack, lately (abit down side for me) ,
but most likely it still be my next phone over sony (z5c is my last sony, beside bugs ,hardware problems, service is bad.. update takes 4ever)
b4 i bought z5c, i tought about HTC M9, but he hasn't got water proff\resisnt ,finger sensor, and was too big for me ,

Superrman said:
Sound good! congratz, htc stopped with stereo speakers, also with headphone jack, lately (abit down side for me) ,
but most likely it still be my next phone over sony (z5c is my last sony, beside bugs ,hardware problems, service is bad.. update takes 4ever)
b4 i bought z5c, i tought about HTC M9, but he hasn't got water proff\resisnt ,finger sensor, and was too big for me ,
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U11 got no 3.5mm jack hole and the speaker isn't quite good this time and the size is big too. But other than that, it's all goods, including the price.
The U11 development on XDA is on-going, not very active atm bcoz many places are still out of stock worldwide but at least better than z5c.

I am also a long time suffering user of 7.1.1 on z5c, I want to downgrade to 6.something. Is there a tutorial out there?
I have searched for some time but have not found anything for z5c
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I just bought z5c, my z3c was sold. play game 10min my phone get hot like iron. My Rom status is Nougat 7.0. if I'm downgrade to MM , it possible to resolved heat problem?

So has anybody rolled back to Marshmallow and used any of the battery extending Xposed modules? I'm curious if the battery life is better with Xposed than just using Nougat.

Well I decided to take the plunge back to 6.0.1. First night I got lazy and decided not to plug in my phone. 0% battery loss the next day. I might just stay here.

Cerhio said:
Well I decided to take the plunge back to 6.0.1. First night I got lazy and decided not to plug in my phone. 0% battery loss the next day. I might just stay here.
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I'm also thinking about downgrading. Can you confirm whether it's worth it or not?

MrAnonymous_ said:
I'm also thinking about downgrading. Can you confirm whether it's worth it or not?
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The decision to downgrade is based on how you use your phone:
6.0.1: Insanely good battery life, bad multi-tasking. That's not to say that it isn't snappy within an app or when moving around the desktop. It's snappy as **** when using one app. It's also great being able to use Xposed but it does start to bog stuff down. I'd recommend this to people who are light users. I could get 25% battery loss a day with extremely light use. You'll have absolutely no problems doing the basics but multi-tasking is garbage.
7.1.1: ****ty battery life, good multi-tasking. Everything is smooth but not as smooth as the 6.0.1. It does multi-tasking pretty well but depending on what you do, you might run out of juice by the end of the day. Still, battery packs and USB ports are everywhere so maybe it isn't a bad thing.
Personally, I've had some problems with Facebook Groups notifications. I forgot that was an issue I had before with 6.0.1. Anyways, I don't get any Facebook Groups notifications which I use for a business. I'm going to unfortunately be going back to 7.1.1 later today.

I am sorry to reply to a year old thread, but I also want to downgrade. My Z5C is very slow on 7.1.1. I have already tried re-installing the OS (factory reset). Phone runs good right after reset.........but after installing the apps I use every day, phone becomes slow. This was NOT the case when it was running MM.
@Cerhio
How did you downgrade to MM?
I cannot find a MM ROM in XperiFirm anymore.