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Disappointed with Z3+ and going back to my Z3

I'm really Disappointed with Z3+ and I believe the Z3 is better because of the following reasons :
1- Z3 screen brightness is markedly stronger (you have to turn off the auto brightness in both of them ).. Even I felt the Z3 Screen is clearer!!
2- The frontal speakers in Z3 are better and louder especially in hard rock for example..
3- the battery life in Z3 is better
4- I'm disappointed with the build quality of Z3+ especially the back glass.. I felt it's even a plastic !!.. the Z3 build quality is noticeably better
5- believe or not.. I use the main camera to take a selfie especially while using 20.7 because the target will be farther in the photo frame (the camera lens is wider) ... and the secondary camera lens of Z3+ in skype or any video calling apps is not wider !! it's the same of Z3 !!.. this is very important for me in video calling apps
SONY what is going on !! please come back to the battle soon !! you are the best !!​

Hani88 said:
I'm really Disappointed with Z3+ and I believe the Z3 is better because of the following reasons :
1- Z3 screen brightness is markedly stronger (you have to turn off the auto brightness in both of them ).. Even I felt the Z3 Screen is clearer!!
2- The frontal speakers in Z3 are better and louder especially in hard rock for example..
3- the battery life in Z3 is better
4- I'm disappointed with the build quality of Z3+ especially the back glass.. I felt it's even a plastic !!.. the Z3 build quality is noticeably better
5- believe or not.. I use the main camera to take a selfie especially while using 20.7 because the target will be farther in the photo frame (the camera lens is wider) ... and the secondary camera lens of Z3+ in skype or any video calling apps is not wider !! it's the same of Z3 !!.. this is very important for me in video calling apps
SONY what is going on !! please come back to the battle soon !! you are the best !!​
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How about the heating problem?

Belal94 said:
How about the heating problem?
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It's better after the latest update.. I should talk about it but this is a known issue

Z3+, as the name says, was probably not meant for Z3 owners. On top of that, we all know about Sony's two flagships per year policy. At least they called it Z3+. But Z3 itself should have been called Z2 Slim (not even Z2+) lol Z3 was the most underwhelming addition to the Z series.
Coming from a Z2, I found Z3+ as a perfect upgrade. It brought all the jazz Z2 slim ( I mean Z3 ) did along with the upgrades that actually matter - 64 Bit SD810, Adreno 430, DDR4, LDAC, faster LTE Cat 9 (300mbps for now which is still > Z3's 150mbps), 5mp front cam, better rear cam sw. It was quite easy for me to take these over Z3's louder speakers & better battery life.

schecter7 said:
Z3+, as the name says, was probably not meant for Z3 owners. On top of that, we all know about Sony's two flagships per year policy. At least they called it Z3+. But Z3 itself should have been called Z2 Slim (not even Z2+) lol Z3 was the most underwhelming addition to the Z series.
Coming from a Z2, I found Z3+ as a perfect upgrade. It brought all the jazz Z2 slim ( I mean Z3 ) did along with the upgrades that actually matter - 64 Bit SD810, Adreno 430, DDR4, LDAC, faster LTE Cat 9 (300mbps for now which is still > Z3's 150mbps), 5mp front cam, better rear cam sw. It was quite easy for me to take these over Z3's louder speakers & better battery life.
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ok but why Sony made the screen and speakers worse in Z3+ ??? it must at least keep them same !!

Hani88 said:
ok but why Sony made the screen and speakers worse in Z3+ ??? it must at least keep them same !!
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Did it ever came to your mind that you are somehow biased by the overall bad reviews? Do you really think you are able to judge without a bias?
Sorry I can't stand this complaining and whining about this device.
It's the same on all new devices. At first there is a big hype, then comes the reality which is behind the expectations. Same thing with the nexus 9 I own and nexus 10 I've owned. Both are great devices, but there was a great amount of people who were talking bull****.

Belal94 said:
How about the heating problem?
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addicted1900 said:
Did it ever came to your mind that you are somehow biased by the overall bad reviews? Do you really think you are able to judge without a bias?
Sorry I can't stand this complaining and whining about this device.
It's the same on all new devices. At first there is a big hype, then comes the reality which is behind the expectations. Same thing with the nexus 9 I own and nexus 10 I've owned. Both are great devices, but there was a great amount of people who were talking bull****.
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Read what I wrote slowly and see by yourself in real life while comparing both of them as I said exactly and tell me then..

Only thing that is bull**** on this device is procesor. We must admit that Snapdragon 810 is heating. After update things with heating are better but Sony have to fix laging UI especially when phone is hot. Other than that phone is good. I don't understand why is screen on Z3+ worse than Z3 when screen on Z3 was calibrated to cold sometimes white looks gently blue. You can say what you want but Z3+ has better screen to me. Not to mention better viewing angles on Z3+.

tomo100brt said:
Only thing that is bull**** on this device is procesor. We must admit that Snapdragon 810 is heating. After update things with heating are better but Sony have to fix laging UI especially when phone is hot. Other than that phone is good. I don't understand why is screen on Z3+ worse than Z3 when screen on Z3 was calibrated to cold sometimes white looks gently blue. You can say what you want but Z3+ has better screen to me. Not to mention better viewing angles on Z3+.
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Cold colors issue can be reduced by adding more red in white balance settings
But how to fix the lower brightness ???

Yes, you are right. Brightness can't be fixed. And Z3+ has brighter screen.

tomo100brt said:
Yes, you are right. Brightness can't be fixed. And Z3+ has brighter screen.
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You mean Z3

I gotta throw in my thoughts on this as well.
Have had the Z2, Z3 and now the Z3+. While overheating is no longer a (big) issue after reflash in SBM or PC Companion, I kinda feel like the Z3 was snappier (lagged less), camera launched faster, apps didn't crash as often, battery lasted longer, and charged up faster. And other niggles.. (no root, for instance.. CM12.1 would be blisteringly fast on this thing).
However, I'm confident that these are issues that stem from Sony hastily putting out an unfinished .24 update/5.0.2 update.. not hardware.
Oh, and I actually liked the Z3 matte copper finish better than the more glossy they put on the Z3+.

deecept said:
I gotta throw in my thoughts on this as well.
Have had the Z2, Z3 and now the Z3+. While overheating is no longer a (big) issue after reflash in SBM or PC Companion, I kinda feel like the Z3 was snappier (lagged less), camera launched faster, apps didn't crash as often, battery lasted longer, and charged up faster. And other niggles.. (no root, for instance.. CM12.1 would be blisteringly fast on this thing).
However, I'm confident that these are issues that stem from Sony hastily putting out an unfinished .24 update/5.0.2 update.. not hardware.
Oh, and I actually liked the Z3 matte copper finish better than the more glossy they put on the Z3+.
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Exactly dude
and the speakers ?? I'm really shocked.. Z3 was amazing in music !!!
and about the build quality just knock your finger many times on the back of Z3+ and you feel that's it's plastic !!
why sony whyyyyy???

Hani88 said:
Exactly dude
and the speakers ?? I'm really shocked.. Z3 was amazing in music !!!
and about the build quality just knock your finger many times on the back of Z3+ and you feel that's it's plastic !!
why sony whyyyyy???
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Had to revisit this thread.
During the past week, I did a factory reset on the phone itself (no computer involved). I did this after doing a PC Companion repair phone thingie the week before.
Holy change in response time, Batman!
It's truly back to Z3 standards, and then some! I really really recommend anyone being begrudged over buying the phone to do a full wipe, first with PC Companion and then on the phone it self. Not sure wether it was the one or the other, or the combination.. but everything from battery life, to heat issues, to lagging is -gone-. Speakers might still be bad, don't know, never use them =)
Now, if we only could get a good root...

deecept said:
Had to revisit this thread.
During the past week, I did a factory reset on the phone itself (no computer involved). I did this after doing a PC Companion repair phone thingie the week before.
Holy change in response time, Batman!
It's truly back to Z3 standards, and then some! I really really recommend anyone being begrudged over buying the phone to do a full wipe, first with PC Companion and then on the phone it self. Not sure wether it was the one or the other, or the combination.. but everything from battery life, to heat issues, to lagging is -gone-. Speakers might still be bad, don't know, never use them =)
Now, if we only could get a good root...
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Really? Heat issues are gone too? What about when you use it for GPS navigation or extensive web browsing?

Culex316 said:
Really? Heat issues are gone too? What about when you use it for GPS navigation or extensive web browsing?
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I use GPS (Waze) every morning to work. With OTA update applied it used roughly 20% on the trip to the office, and was HOT when I took it out of the car. After wipe (And rewipe) before today, it used 12% on the same trip. It still gets hot doing it, mind you, but not nearly as hot as it did!
One issue I have found is apps with access to radio (i.e. data signal) keeps it alive (As reported by battery monitoring app), even if the app is dormant. I believe this is a 5.0.2 / .24 issue though, didn't happen on the Z3 I had.

deecept said:
Had to revisit this thread.
During the past week, I did a factory reset on the phone itself (no computer involved). I did this after doing a PC Companion repair phone thingie the week before.
Holy change in response time, Batman!
It's truly back to Z3 standards, and then some! I really really recommend anyone being begrudged over buying the phone to do a full wipe, first with PC Companion and then on the phone it self. Not sure wether it was the one or the other, or the combination.. but everything from battery life, to heat issues, to lagging is -gone-. Speakers might still be bad, don't know, never use them =)
Now, if we only could get a good root...
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But you forgot about the screen brightness
it's not strong as much as Z3

deecept said:
I use GPS (Waze) every morning to work. With OTA update applied it used roughly 20% on the trip to the office, and was HOT when I took it out of the car. After wipe (And rewipe) before today, it used 12% on the same trip. It still gets hot doing it, mind you, but not nearly as hot as it did!
One issue I have found is apps with access to radio (i.e. data signal) keeps it alive (As reported by battery monitoring app), even if the app is dormant. I believe this is a 5.0.2 / .24 issue though, didn't happen on the Z3 I had.
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ohhhh
and even Z3 after 5.1.1 has an over heating problem now... navigating with direct sun .. my Z3 was goona explode !!!

Hani88 said:
But you forgot about the screen brightness
it's not strong as much as Z3
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Can't say I have noticed any difference in screen brightness, though!
Z3 got warm, like my Z3+ does now.. nothing out of the ordinary there

I returned my z3+ two times now. There was a gap between screen and the frame. Poor build quality vs LG G4.
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Is Z3+ worth the MONEY?

Hi guys (especially to z3+ users)! I would like to buy a Z series Xperia phone. So far (aside from the Z5), Z3+ is the only Z series that has a 5MP front camera (front cam is one of my criteria in choosing a phone). My other options are M5 and Z2 (but Z2's front camera is only 2MP..) I am also concerned with its overheating issue..is that really true or just a black propaganda? Is this phone worth the money?
By the way, if you will rate your satisfaction of Z3+ from 1 (LOWEST) to 10 (HIGHEST), what will be your score?
Thank you in advance for your opinions!

I suggest you wait until 5'1.1 update shows up. Because now most of us facing poor battery life and heat issue.
You know what, I compare my z3+ with my Z1
Most of the time Z1 open apps faster, despite it's three generations older.
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My z3+ does really have heat issue, and when it gets hot device run slower and start to lag.

I don't have heat problems and it runs smooth from the last update z3+. Yes it gets warm not hot. It's normal if it gets warm a little bit. So far i am satisfied.
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When u buy the phone or if you do it don't put anything in it. Update it first then do a factory reset and then put your app.
ME

Thank you for your opinions & tips! They're helpful I guess I'll just wait until November or December before I buy Z3+. By then, I hope the price will be less expensive. Z5 seems to be really awesome but I guess its price will be way out of my budget. Haha.

One word answer = Yes

By the way, if you will rate your satisfaction of Z3+ from 1 (LOWEST) to 10 (HIGHEST), what will be your score?

mark_q07 said:
By the way, if you will rate your satisfaction of Z3+ from 1 (LOWEST) to 10 (HIGHEST), what will be your score?
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4.75/5
0.25 for not having 5.1.1

If you have one of those devices which doesn't overheat so the answer would be yes. In the other hand, It's an expensive brick or toaster. My Z1 was a much better device even 2 years later. The battery last nothing, overheats a LOT (after updating to the latest version is working better but still) and the performance drops significantly. I'm about to returning it because I don't want to wait until Sony decides to give us a proper solution and I can barely use it (I tried all the possible software fixes). The problem is that I don't like other device (maybe Oneplus Two but it's too difficult to get).

illetyus said:
4.75/5
0.25 for not having 5.1.1
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Don't worry. Z3+ is a Z series Xperia. Sooner or later, it will get a software update. This phone is even included in the upcoming Marshmallow update

DryKillLogic said:
If you have one of those devices which doesn't overheat so the answer would be yes. In the other hand, It's an expensive brick or toaster. My Z1 was a much better device even 2 years later. The battery last nothing, overheats a LOT (after updating to the latest version is working better but still) and the performance drops significantly. I'm about to returning it because I don't want to wait until Sony decides to give us a proper solution and I can barely use it (I tried all the possible software fixes). The problem is that I don't like other device (maybe Oneplus Two but it's too difficult to get).
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"When u buy the phone or if you do it don't put anything in it. Update it first then do a factory reset and then put your app. " - trumastanr1
Did you already do what "trumastanr1" suggested?

mark_q07 said:
"When u buy the phone or if you do it don't put anything in it. Update it first then do a factory reset and then put your app. " - trumastanr1
Did you already do what "trumastanr1" suggested?
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Not for all users works, before last update two factory resets give a usable (not ideal) Z3+, after last update, three repairs and two factory resets give an almost-non-usable device that gets so hot so easily.....
Much of this variation is due to usage difference, so also depends in what is yours....
In general I think my z3c has (a lot) better performance, but I also think some software updates will solve all major issues, still I have to say I'm a little disappointed with this phone...
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QBerto said:
Not for all users works, before last update two factory resets give a usable (not ideal) Z3+, after last update, three repairs and two factory resets give an almost-non-usable device that gets so hot so easily.....
Much of this variation is due to usage difference, so also depends in what is yours....
In general I think my z3c has (a lot) better performance, but I also think some software updates will solve all major issues, still I have to say I'm a little disappointed with this phone...
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I see. I hope the future updates will solve its major issues.

Alright you know what caused mine to overheat even after update an app. Took it away now it's fixed.
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Hope for the new update
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Haven't noted much issues with overheating, but I've only played a bit of games here and there on it. Still waiting for a rooted firmware before I make it my daily driver.

I think it is. It's a great phone with one big flaw everyone keeps talking about, and that will probably be fixed at some point.

serrin85 said:
Haven't noted much issues with overheating, but I've only played a bit of games here and there on it. Still waiting for a rooted firmware before I make it my daily driver.
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The phone does not need root It's performance is as good as rooted ones.

Uhhm at this point Im really disappointed with this device peformance..It gets really hot even tho after 251 update android 5.0.2...It really sucks If I would compare Z3 and Z3+. My Z3 is way faster..my z3+ are so damn slow...but the design of z3+ is so much better... This is my judge for now..I really hope that a new update is coming and some custom roms will hit online soon. Maybe I will skip this device and buy a Z5...lets see if the update will change my mind

illetyus said:
The phone does not need root It's performance is as good as rooted ones.
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I'm not sure if you've noticed but the process of unlocking the bootloader in order to root the phone removes the DRM keys and diminishes camera performance, amongst other things.
This has nothing to do with performance and everything to do with restoring app backups as helium doesn't work properly on the z3+.
So unless you can suggest a way to do that (as well as installing cerberus on the system partition, uninstalling sony bloatware, spoofing mac addresses for fun and profi etc) then I would make the argument that rooting is required, well at least for me anyway.
Yes I am aware of the pre-rooted kernel by devires, but I'm waiting for dl12345's publicly released solution before taking the plunge.

Am begging for an update that fix heat problem, if this is fixed I can say is totally worth.

In terms of satisfaction, for me it's 9/10 -- for things it can do for me that off-set the negative PR.
Mainly it loses a point because the native camera app cannot record video 'forever' - the native camera app shuts itself off saying the phone is too hot after about half an hour. However using Google Camera app for video I can record 1080P video basically forever.
But it justifies points with me for the following from the top of my head-
+ Stereo sound recorded with video (coming from iPhone this is MAJOR for me)
+ microSD expandable to 128GB
+ internal SSD is 32GB which is much better starting point
+ OTG capability
+ Waterproof* with capless USB port
+ No buttons on the front (no really, I love this)
+ Call quality sounds better than my old iPhone 6 Plus
+ Decent camera for stills and video
+ Sony take audio seriously, also nice to find a mild dynamic compression option for music
+ Battery stamina modes are useful compared to anything on iOS 8 (I guess same exists on iOS 9 now)
+ If I get a notification on my phone without dismissing it but catch up on my computer - the notification dismisses itself on the phone (unlike iOS where it would never sync like that)
+ 3GB RAM, FWIW this doesn't impress me but hey
+ 64bit so in theory should have some longevity (famous last words)
+ Cheaper eco-system than iOS, no more £17.99 sync cables (I swear my kids chew them or something)
+ Really easy to record the screen (which presumably could also record phone calls - interesting), can also record the screen whilst engaging the selfie camera PiP
Currently on 5.0.2, I do think update to 5.1.1 (or M) will make this phone even better based on how 5.1.1 performs on my Z2 (which was second-hand refurb gateway to my Z3+)
The Z3+ does get warm when it's working hard (Star Wars Uprising) but in general use I don't notice any thermal issues even if they do exist.

Z5C vs XC

Hello, friends.
I'm a user of a Z3C (had a Z1C before that). Now that Nougat isn't available anymore for our phone, I was wondering if I should buy a Z5C or a XC.
I'm not a stock user. I use a lot of mods and custom stuff on my phone. Stock isn't for me. I know that Z5C is more powerful and more affordable that a XC, but it only has one more year of support.
Would you recommend upgrading (at all)? And if yes, which of the models
I was thinking about waiting for the new Nexus phone...but damn, that price! Also took into consideration a Nexus 5X or a Samsung S7...I don't want a big phone, nor to sell my kidneys for a phone.

Man I was in the same situation as you deciding between Z5c and Xc. I had a Nextbit Robin for around 3 months. Worse decision ever. Don't get me wrong the Robin is nice, looks great and high specs but the poorly optimised software from Nextbit is just awful. Huge problems with audio playback (3.5mm).
So I was looking for a new Android device. The two models that got my attention was Z5c and Xc. Having already used the Xc from family member I liked it. It did everything the Nextbit Robin did but BETTER! Audio playback is the biggest feature for me. Works perfectly. However I decided to go for the Xperia Z5 Compact due to being waterproof, better specs. Also something to note with Xc is that the back will get scratched easily due to the material finish which is cheap plastic and very glossy. No matter even if you are the most careful person looking after your gadgets.
Here in the UK I got ordered the Sony Xperia Z5 Compact Yellow for £179. Black out of stock and the retailer don't stock White variant. So being a guy this will be my first yellow phone LOL. Hope women out in public see my new flashy phone and get attracted to me LOL but if gay men do then I need to run LOL
My Z5c arrives tomorrow (06/10/2016). I can post my feedback tomorrow if you want. Also I ain't fussed about updates eg Android N, L etc LOL. Within a year or so there probably be Z6c or something along the lines.

I'd appreciate the feedback. Thanks!

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I'd appreciate the feedback. Thanks!
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Any games you'd like me to try out?

Having just upgraded from my Z3 Compact to a Z5 Compact, I must say, you will not be disappointed! It is noticeably faster and battery life has been better even. I'm using XPower 4 as my ROM, rooted, bootloader unlocked, DRM-fixed, thermal-patched, xposed, amplify, greenify, etc. Basically the exact same setup I had under SliMM 3.x on my Z3 Compact, all backed up with Titanium Backup and restored onto my Z5 Compact. Every xposed module works exactly as before, and overall I was back up and running in no time. I feel that the X Compact is a slightly less high-end device compared to the Z5 Compact, it lacks waterproof rating, fingerprint sensor (as long as you import your Z5c), and the really cool looking speaker design.

MiracleMiah said:
Any games you'd like me to try out?
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I'm not much of a gamer. But I am a update freak

MiracleMiah said:
Here in the UK I got ordered the Sony Xperia Z5 Compact Yellow for £179.
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Where did you get it for £179? Is this new or second hand?

pelago said:
Where did you get it for £179? Is this new or second hand?
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I received mine today and it's looks new!
https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/phones/so...47868-_-blank-_-blank#contractType=paymonthly
So far it's showing out of stock now but keep any eye on stock level then click Pay & Go option on right side of the page.

MiracleMiah said:
I received mine today and it's looks new!
https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/phones/so...47868-_-blank-_-blank#contractType=paymonthly
So far it's showing out of stock now but keep any eye on stock level then click Pay & Go option on right side of the page.
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Well, I already bought one a couple of weeks ago, £289, from Giffgaff, in black, definitely brand new, but £179 (especially if it really is in new condition) is a bargain.

doriandiaconu said:
I'd appreciate the feedback. Thanks!
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Right I got the device today. So far so good. Everything setup and updated to the latest version. The phone is amazing. Fast and smooth using the OS. Love the build quality and the camera, I'm in love with that. Been taking some photos of family and I love the quality and the amount of manual tweaking you can do.
I have played some games such as Spider-Man, Asphalt etc on it and I noticed after like 15 minutes the back get's slightly hot but nothing too extreme.
However one downside I noticed is the speakers volume is weird. If I play music (on max) it will be loud but after 1 second will go quiet. It's like some sort of auto audio kick in. I did some research and on Sony forums, staff member said after 45 minutes it should be fine. Some users state charge phone to 100%. So will try these method and see how it goes.
Any other Z5 Compact owners notice the issue with the speakers?
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pelago said:
Well, I already bought one a couple of weeks ago, £289, from Giffgaff, in black, definitely brand new, but £179 (especially if it really is in new condition) is a bargain.
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Yes indeed what a bargain! Did you notice the speaker volume output level was low on first day?

MiracleMiah said:
Right I got the device today. So far so good. Everything setup and updated to the latest version. The phone is amazing. Fast and smooth using the OS. Love the build quality and the camera, I'm in love with that. Been taking some photos of family and I love the quality and the amount of manual tweaking you can do.
I have played some games such as Spider-Man, Asphalt etc on it and I noticed after like 15 minutes the back get's slightly hot but nothing too extreme.
However one downside I noticed is the speakers volume is weird. If I play music (on max) it will be loud but after 1 second will go quiet. It's like some sort of auto audio kick in. I did some research and on Sony forums, staff member said after 45 minutes it should be fine. Some users state charge phone to 100%. So will try these method and see how it goes.
Any other Z5 Compact owners notice the issue with the speakers?
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Yes indeed what a bargain! Did you notice the speaker volume output level was low on first day?
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happen to me randomly sometime alot (usually when i play games top speakers become really quiet), i think its hardware bug. because i had it in all stock versions 5.1.1-6.0- 6.1
besides that and the heat and low RAM ( CSR 2 and Modern Combat 5: took all the 2GB RAM)phone has good battery great
GFX almost 200% faster, from XC

ATM, XC no backup TA so for any root user better to get Z5c plus it got waterproof. Z5c can be a very good phone but really need heavy modding and quite trouble, it's a phone that root is a must. Stock is completely useless.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/development/mod-smartemperaturex-best-balanced-s810-t3438890
Just make sure you guys flash the SmartTempX v1.61 thermal mod for gaming bcoz v1.7/1.8 got slow charge bug.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/development/rom-xpower-v1-0-aroma-debloat-custom-t3371100
Remember to install greenify to free up memory bcoz 2GB ram isn't enough for this device and debloat the rom by yourself. Suggested to flash XPower V3/V4 rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/sonyz5-family-unlocked-xz-xc-camera-t3463148
http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/mod-cyberian-camera-t3267271/page203
Originally, I want to upgrade to XC for the camera since camera is the most important part to me. Stock Z5c cam is just way below my expectation but after used stock mod cam and photo quality been much improved, so the plan pushed back a bit now. Will stick with Z5c in this year, next year might get XC when price lower.

MiracleMiah said:
However one downside I noticed is the speakers volume is weird. If I play music (on max) it will be loud but after 1 second will go quiet. It's like some sort of auto audio kick in. I did some research and on Sony forums, staff member said after 45 minutes it should be fine. Some users state charge phone to 100%. So will try these method and see how it goes.
Any other Z5 Compact owners notice the issue with the speakers?
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Did the same thing to me on day one. Next day it was okay. That was 6 months ago and so far so good

I'm a Z5C owner thinking of buying XC. Because I'm sick and tired of this phone.
The one and only option for obtaining Z5C is buying it in a store with a moneyback policy. Most of the phones have overheating and battery drain problems. If you are lucky to get a phone without these issues then you get an awesome smartphone. And if you get the same as others... well, there's moneyback for you.
These issues can't be fixed with any software tweaks, the best way to improve the situation is flashing 5.1 which makes the phone heat much less and allows it to last a day of minor usage which is a great improvement over charging twice a day with Marshmallow. No hope for improvements in Nougat.
I hate Sony for making potentially awesome phones and not paying attention to quality. Z5C could be perfect.

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These issues can't be fixed with any software tweaks, the best way to improve the situation is flashing 5.1 which makes the phone heat much less and allows it to last a day of minor usage which is a great improvement over charging twice a day with Marshmallow.
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Totally disagreed. Do you real root and try? I've got nightmare battery drain at idle with 5.1.1 stock .152/.200 and battery problem completely fixed with XPower rom. I don't think 5.1.1 heat much less too.

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Totally disagreed. Do you real root and try? I've got nightmare battery drain at idle with 5.1.1 stock .152/.200 and battery problem completely fixed with XPower rom. I don't think 5.1.1 heat much less too.
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Of course I did. But all the tweaking just made it a little bit cooler, still as hot as my gf. Even after I severely limited the frequencies it became very slow but didn't stop overheating. 10-15 minutes in Chrome made it extremely hot and drained a few percent of battery charge.
After I downgraded it to 5.1.1 it doesn't even need tweaking anymore. Yes, the battery life still is mediocre at best, and it gets warm from usage, but it lasts twice longer and doesn't throttle down the CPU anymore.

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Of course I did. But all the tweaking just made it a little bit cooler, still as hot as my gf. Even after I severely limited the frequencies it became very slow but didn't stop overheating. 10-15 minutes in Chrome made it extremely hot and drained a few percent of battery charge.
After I downgraded it to 5.1.1 it doesn't even need tweaking anymore. Yes, the battery life still is mediocre at best, and it gets warm from usage, but it lasts twice longer and doesn't throttle down the CPU anymore.
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Do u try water cool your gf?
It's weird the heat appeared same to me in both 5.1.1 and 6.0.1(.253 is more hot than .224) but Sony MM I believe got some memory leaks so 5.1.1 is real faster during in my experiences(bluetooth and wifi is also faster and more stable). But I can't fix the radio active bug in .152/.200 and just keep draining battery, XPower V3/V4 real fixed that.
Plus camera is more important to me, both photo/video much better in MM with mod cam.

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Do u try water cool your gf?
It's weird the heat appeared same to me in both 5.1.1 and 6.0.1(.253 is more hot than .224) but Sony MM I believe got some memory leaks so 5.1.1 is real faster during in my experiences(bluetooth and wifi is also faster and more stable). But I can't fix the radio active bug in .152/.200 and just keep draining battery, XPower V3/V4 real fixed that.
Plus camera is more important to me, both photo/video much better in MM with mod cam.
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Of course I tried, didn't help, she's still hot. Will try again. And again.
I'm going to flash the latest MM firmware now and see if anything has changed. If it hasn't I'll flash LP back.
I have to reflash the phone anyway because I got into a bootloop on LP after a few days of using it.

Update;
Reporting back.. Totally love this phone. I'd say get this over the XC Compact. For me the Z5c better build quality and finish. It's been such a smooth experience. Making calls, texting, apps & games.
It put's shame on Nextbit Robin which I had (now sold).

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Update;
Reporting back.. Totally love this phone. I'd say get this over the XC Compact. For me the Z5c better build quality and finish. It's been such a smooth experience. Making calls, texting, apps & games.
It put's shame on Nextbit Robin which I had (now sold).
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What make you change your idea vote for Z5c now?
http://phandroid.com/2016/09/21/htc-bolt-photo/
Keep an eye on new mid range of HTC Bolt. Some suggested a smaller size and cheaper ver of HTC10, not sure 4.7" or 5" at this time if 4.7" can be a good replacement of Z5c and XC.

Z5C vs XC

I already made this thread in the Z5C section and heard the reviews from there, now I'm willing to listen to the users of the XC.
I'm a user of a Z3C (had a Z1C before that). Now that Nougat isn't available anymore for our phone, I was wondering if I should buy a Z5C or a XC.
I'm not a stock user. I use a lot of mods and custom stuff on my phone. Stock isn't for me. I know that Z5C is more powerful and more affordable that a XC, but it only has one more year of support.
Would you recommend upgrading (at all)? And if yes, which of the models
I was thinking about waiting for the new Nexus phone...but damn, that price! Also took into consideration a Nexus 5X or a Samsung S7...I don't want a big phone, nor to sell my kidneys for a phone.

I upgraded from the z5 compact to the X Compact and I have to say I have no regret whatsoever.
The x compact is like a dream phone for me it just fits in your hand like a glove. You won't find a more comfortable in hand feel ever.
Performance is also snappy and Battery life slightly better, camera and display. Everything is just a bit better than the z5 compact.
I was a bit skeptical at first upgrading because the reviews on every big website aren't great for this phone but screw all of em they really have no idea what they are on about.
I follow damir francs reviews on YouTube he's really picky but spot on everytime.
I'm telling you right now this phone is amazing you will not be disappointed at all go get it!

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I'm not a stock user. I use a lot of mods and custom stuff on my phone. Stock isn't for me.
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I recently reinstalled the stock firmware on my phone, which made me realize how much I use that would likely require root on the latest versions of Android. In comparison to something like the Pixel, the limited interest is one of the reasons I'm reconsidering buying the X Compact. I haven't followed the Z5 Compact for some time, but I'd guess there are probably more developers using that phone.
I know that Z5C is more powerful and more affordable that a XC, but it only has one more year of support.
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Personally I'm only going to buy from a major US retailer for easy returns, so the two phones are currently about the same price for me. I watched the Z5 Compact prices after it came out, but realistically I would have already bought it if I was going to. The following video makes the X Compact look faster than the Z5 Compact for the sorts of things I would do most often.
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I can't say if upgrading makes sense for someone else, but I'm probably going to replace my Razr M before the end of the month. The X Compact would be my choice of the two, mainly due to the newer processor.
I was thinking about waiting for the new Nexus phone...but damn, that price! Also took into consideration a Nexus 5X or a Samsung S7...I don't want a big phone, nor to sell my kidneys for a phone.
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I'd prefer a multi-network phone (CDMA compatible), so the Pixel and Nexus 5X are the other phones I'm primarily considering. In comparison to the Sony it's not necessary to mess with the DRM for bootloader unlocks, and they have a lot of people using them. If I can get over the larger size, it's probably smarter for me to go in that direction, because I want updated stock Android with root. If I could get an S7 for cheap on Black Friday, I might consider one, because I greatly prefer the S7 hardware over the Pixel, but generally it's too locked down for what I really want in a phone. Since I'm coming from a Motorola that had an easy to unlock bootloader and a fair number of people using the phone, the Pixel is probably most in line with what I'm used to for software, but it's considerably larger than something like the X Compact.

I too upgraded from z5c to xc and was very surprised by this phone, it is absolutely amazing.
although I too must admit I was a little skeptical because of dumb reviews that only look at no of cpu cores, synthetic benchmarks and fails to research deeper and take in considerations like the never efficient cpu core's (A72) and next gen gpu that might also look weaker in benchmarks, does not seem so at all in real life, contrary it seems to offer the same (+Vulcan) at much lower battery use. this might be cause the design of the soc is better than the previous series and the first 64bit cortex (A57) is notorious for overheating and throttling back which also hurts the gpu. what do I know? I know I love the z5c but the xc does excel in every perspective speed, screen, insane battery life. etc.

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I too upgraded from z5c to xc and was very surprised by this phone, it is absolutely amazing.
although I too must admit I was a little skeptical because of dumb reviews that only look at no of cpu cores, synthetic benchmarks and fails to research deeper and take in considerations like the never efficient cpu core's (A72) and next gen gpu that might also look weaker in benchmarks, does not seem so at all in real life, contrary it seems to offer the same (+Vulcan) at much lower battery use. this might be cause the design of the soc is better than the previous series and the first 64bit cortex (A57) is notorious for overheating and throttling back which also hurts the gpu. what do I know? I know I love the z5c but the xc does excel in every perspective speed, screen, insane battery life. etc.
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Agree. I'll say it again.. The smoothness and speed of the phone is superior to all previous zcompact models. Not sure what Sony did but it seems very well optimized.

realtuxen said:
I too upgraded from z5c to xc and was very surprised by this phone, it is absolutely amazing.
although I too must admit I was a little skeptical because of dumb reviews that only look at no of cpu cores, synthetic benchmarks and fails to research deeper and take in considerations like the never efficient cpu core's (A72) and next gen gpu that might also look weaker in benchmarks, does not seem so at all in real life, contrary it seems to offer the same (+Vulcan) at much lower battery use. this might be cause the design of the soc is better than the previous series and the first 64bit cortex (A57) is notorious for overheating and throttling back which also hurts the gpu. what do I know? I know I love the z5c but the xc does excel in every perspective speed, screen, insane battery life. etc.
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Agree. I'll say it again.. The smoothness and speed of the phone is superior to all previous zcompact models. Not sure what Sony did but it seems very well optimized.
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What do you think of the battery? If you had the z5c, how is it compared to that based on your experience?

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What do you think of the battery? If you had the z5c, how is it compared to that?
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I never really check screen on times and all but honestly it's at LEAST on par with the z5c. I think the battery is more on par with the z3c as I thought that phone was better than its successor. I'm a VERY heavy user and have about 20 percent when I lay down to bed.

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I never really check screen on times and all but honestly it's at LEAST on par with the z5c. I think the battery is more on par with the z3c as I thought that phone was better than its successor. I'm a VERY heavy user and have about 20 percent when I lay down to bed.
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Wow, the XC's battery on par of the Z3C? I had the Z3C and loved it because of the battery. Thanks for the feedback!

The only pro's i see in the Z5c over the Xc is ability to root without losing TA, micro usb (C is too new, my otg flash drives dont work), and the lanyard hole. I'd almost rather go back to the Z3c with its magnetic charging port, that was such a great feature.

A couple of observations: 1) XC fingerprint scanner is MUCH faster and more accurate for me than Z5C fingerprint scanner. 2) plastic sides of XC are more grippy than Z5C.
I prefer XC over Z5c so far.
Sent from my F5321 using Tapatalk

So I found someone who's selling the XC and Z5C around the same price. Can I know some opinions now that some time has passed since you got the device? Is it worth upgrading from the Z3C? Thanks!

Z3c doesn't get updates anymore, so probably yes very soon, if not now.
Also for that reason, I prefer the newer device. Also, the fingerprint sensor on xc really is very good.

I upgraded from the Z3C to XC. Not sure how it compared to the Z5C, but it's quite a nice device. The XC is a tad bigger than the Z3C was in the hand, but still easy to be used one-handed for the most part. It's much faster and instantly responds to input. It also has similar battery life to the Z3C on Marshmallow (nothing will be able to match what Stamina did back in KitKat and Lollipop). I updated the XC to Nougat as soon as I bought it, so I can't say how it behaved on Marshmallow compared to the Z3C. It also comes at the right time for me to upgrade since the seal around the USB port cover was finally pulling off on my Z3C. Not having to mess with that anymore is a bonus.
However not everything is perfect. Bluetooth connectivity appears worse than it did on my Z3C. I don't know if this was the case in Marshmallow as well, but it's constantly disconnecting from my car while right next to the radio and my Z3C maintained a much stronger connection. I also lost the ability to use an app for streaming my screen to my car over USB and am not sure why. I've gotten around that by installing an Android Auto hack on the head unit that tends to work better overall, so it's not a total loss. USB-C also required all new USB cables, although this isn't as big an issue.
So it's a bit of a mixed bag. It's positive for the most part and if the bluetooth issues get resolved then I will be much happier.

people who have been using XC for a while (longer than 6 months or so): is there any signs of the structural deficiencies that plagued Z3C such as the screen detaching from the front (or back)? i'd appreciate any input on this.

darxider said:
people who have been using XC for a while (longer than 6 months or so): is there any signs of the structural deficiencies that plagued Z3C such as the screen detaching from the front (or back)? i'd appreciate any input on this.
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Phone was released just over 3 months ago (end of September I think) so to soon to tell. I upgraded from my old Z1 Compact and haven't had any issues with the XC yet. Granted I have only had my XC for 2 1/2 months. That said I do work outdoors so my phones go through more abuse than what most people put theirs through. So far so good, time will tell.

What about XC vs Z5C camera?? I am undecided to buy... Please help.

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What about XC vs Z5C camera?? I am undecided to buy... Please help.
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That depends on whether you want to take 4K video or not. If the answer is "yes", then the Z5C is your only option. If you don't care about that, then you might want to consider the XC. I'm not a huge shutterbug, so I can't tell you how much better it is. It does seem to be faster than it was on my old Z3C and has a larger sensor (although it should be the same sensor for the Z5C). The video recorder also features that multi-sensor stabilization which is pretty cool. I just wish it also worked for still images. Still, it is an overall improvement if the lack of 4K doesn't bother you.

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That depends on whether you want to take 4K video or not. If the answer is "yes", then the Z5C is your only option. If you don't care about that, then you might want to consider the XC. I'm not a huge shutterbug, so I can't tell you how much better it is. It does seem to be faster than it was on my old Z3C and has a larger sensor (although it should be the same sensor for the Z5C). The video recorder also features that multi-sensor stabilization which is pretty cool. I just wish it also worked for still images. Still, it is an overall improvement if the lack of 4K doesn't bother you.
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Ok... I really appreciate your points of view, the 4K recording it doesn't matter to me, I'm just look after the best photos, I mean, color, resolution, withouth foggy efect or dragged photo :/ . I think XC is my final option!
Thanks!! :good:

I have used both since release and while I keep our z5c phones around (I collect Xperia phones) I have not gone back at all after being on X compact, which in my opinion is so perfect from user experience to in-hand feel , speed, and fluidity... with a greatly improved camera over its predecessors, that I actually end up using it far more than the larger Xz phones.

yeah I believe you because some days back I found someone that was willing to exchange his XZ with my XC without any money changed (because here XC is rare to find but not xz) and I didnt do it! as far as Im concerned X compact has the same 3 GBs of ram and the same speed and user experience and a much better screen size to be used in one hand

Upgrading from Z5C, some concerns.

Hello,
Someone broke my Z5C and I'm now looking for a new phone.
I liked the form factor of the Z5C, but several things were "mehhh".
First of all, the fingerprint scanner wasn't working under certain conditions. I read here and there that it was mostly fixed and that the XC fingerprint sensor is much more accurate. Can you confirm ?
Secundo, the phone was overheating A LOT. I guess it had to do with the SoC. Is it fixed ? I don't know if it was related, but my phone randomly lagged (and would sometime reboot for no reason).
The amount of RAM was clearly not sufficient as apps would need to be restarted completely during multitasking.
Also, the screen was just "ok" for me. How deep are the blacks on the XC?
How slow is the camera to open? It was really unreliable on the Z5C for me. Can you turn off the "photo enhancement" feature that slows down the whole thing?
Concerning rooting, mods, etc.: I don't care about customizing if the ROM is good. The only thing I want is a root access. Is this something we achieve without losing any functionality on Nougat ?
And last concern... how often do you see people complaining about defective units ?
You've been using this device for several months now... so you should been able to tell me how well it survived!
I really want to love this phone, but tell me if there's anything you don't like about it!
Thank you in advance!

Stick with your Z5C, that's the phone I wish I'd have bought instead of this. In future I'll always opt for older premium over newer mid range.

XperienceD said:
Stick with your Z5C, that's the phone I wish I'd have bought instead of this. In future I'll always opt for older premium over newer mid range.
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Thank you for your answer.
Can you tell me what's wrong with your XC?
Because I don't know if I had a defective unit or not, but overall I wouldn't recommend the Z5C for the reasons I gave in my OP.

I've had my ZC for about 2 months now and it's my favorite phone to date. Got tired of the huge screen phones, my last being the oneplusone.
The fingerprint scanner only works if you flash the uk firmware from what I've seen. I have not gotten around to it yet so I can't say how well it work but from my reading everyone says it works well.
I have had 0 overheating issues. It barely gets warm.
Honestly I love this phone. It's fast, has every feature I wanted and is the form factor I wanted also.
The ONLY thing I really hate about this phone is sony made it out of the slipperiest material on earth, but with a case/skin that goes away.

evoliofly said:
Hello,
Someone broke my Z5C and I'm now looking for a new phone.
I liked the form factor of the Z5C, but several things were "mehhh".
First of all, the fingerprint scanner wasn't working under certain conditions. I read here and there that it was mostly fixed and that the XC fingerprint sensor is much more accurate. Can you confirm ?
Secundo, the phone was overheating A LOT. I guess it had to do with the SoC. Is it fixed ? I don't know if it was related, but my phone randomly lagged (and would sometime reboot for no reason).
The amount of RAM was clearly not sufficient as apps would need to be restarted completely during multitasking.
Also, the screen was just "ok" for me. How deep are the blacks on the XC?
How slow is the camera to open? It was really unreliable on the Z5C for me. Can you turn off the "photo enhancement" feature that slows down the whole thing?
Concerning rooting, mods, etc.: I don't care about customizing if the ROM is good. The only thing I want is a root access. Is this something we achieve without losing any functionality on Nougat ?
And last concern... how often do you see people complaining about defective units ?
You've been using this device for several months now... so you should been able to tell me how well it survived!
I really want to love this phone, but tell me if there's anything you don't like about it!
Thank you in advance!
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Can't comment on everything but I can answer a couple.
First off the phone doesn't over heat, ever. It may get a little warm at times but that's only if playing a ton of videos. And when I say a ton I mean from 100% battery down to zero. The Z5C chipset has always had heat issues. Granted it's not Sony's fault all phones had heat issues that used the 810. That's why Qualcomm was so quick to move away from the 810 back in the day when it first released. The XC uses a 650 which is basically the same thing as the 810 but it doesn't overheat. That being said it also has an extra gig of ram compared to the Z5C so it's a little snappier too imo. Granted the Z5C and the XC are both very close to one another.
I have never had an issue with the fingerprint sensor on the XC. As stated above you will need to flash the UK firmware to get it to work though. Has something to do with a patent dispute between Sony and whoever in the US at the moment.
Overall you can't go wrong either way. It sounds like you had a lot of issues with your Z5C so switching to the XC is probably worth a shot as it has dropped in price quite a bit since release. I have had mine since late October and haven't had an issue with it so far. Plus I am willing to bet the Z5C is coming to an end as far as Android updates go as to where the XC should at the very least get a bump up to 7.1 at some point if not more.

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Can you tell me what's wrong with your XC?
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The colour first of all, it's blue, not Universe "Black", the icon on the power button is upside down, can't connect wireless to my PC and curved edges that makes applying a screen protector a real PITA.

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the icon on the power button is upside down
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The icon on the z5c is exactly the same, for what it's worth.
We have both xc and z5c. I lean towards the xc because it lasts longer per charge. It also seems to run cooler. It doesn't look as nice as the z5c, but I am not as worried about damaging it

I had a z5c, and switched to XC back in sep 2016, every 'issue' you mention has been fixed on XC. The fingerprint sensor is better, so is the screen. It would be odd otherwise.
The biggest flav of the z5c though is the a57 cores (the performance cluster of z5c) is the first 64bit soc rushed out to complete with apple that had just released their 64bit soc and lets be honest this core is notorious for overheating, my raspberry pi uses 4 of them too and both can not sustain their highest clock without getting insanely hot and throttle back the clock. I realize this only happens if you play games or do a synthetic stress test, use poorly coded apps like Facebook etc, most normal os operation only produces spikes which keeps the throttling down. Imho this is a horrible core compared with the a72. The power efficiency is also as you can imagine way better, I get alot more out of a single charge on this phone than I did with the z5c and it never gets hot, maybe a little handwarm if you play games or keep the screen on for hours like watching several movies. Nowhere near the z5c which was worryingly at times.
That's not to say I did not like the z5c but overall the XC is a great improvement in any aspect just as it is supposed to be.
The colour first of all, it's blue, not Universe "Black"
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Have you ever looked up at night ? Its not completely black either, its like a blackisblue. Furthermore I like it inside its black and outside you can see a different very dark blue color depending from which angle the light hits it. I am pretty sure it is on purpose and why its called universe black. I agree whether you like it or not is another matter.
can't connect wireless to my PC
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Care to elaborate? Because like this guy I could not find an option in my phone either. This is the official answer from sony:
The feature to transfer files using Media transfer mode via Wi-Fi® has been removed in the Xperia™ Z4 Tablet and the Xperia™ Z5 series. Moreover, the Media transfer mode will not be available in Xperia™ Companion, the new tool that is replacing PC Companion, because Windows® 8.1 has removed the trigger menu.
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But perhaps you mean something else?

Thank you everyone for your answers! You would be very good salesmen!
The Z5C was a bad experience, but I hope that this one will last me as long as my Nexus 4 did!
I bought it from a third-party seller on Amazon and should receive it in 2 weeks.
Also, I wanted to buy the black one at first... but the white one was cheaper, so I went for it (and I may even like it more in the end).

the camera opens in around 1 sec, 0.6 sec according to sony btw. I also dislike the photo enhancement that takes forever to apply and sharpen the image even on zxs. this is because sony decided to not use the performance cluster in the album app (I have no idea what they bumped their heads into) but as you I do not like it anyway as it over sharpens pictures and is way to aggressive. thankfully it can be disabled and pictures sharpen normally up in a instant, if I want to add more pow or adjust the colors etc I use a tool designed for that, usually i find the photo editor to be sufficient.
Good luck. I hope it serves you well. Initially i was sceptic too until I actually used it. (ie not just standing in a store flicking back and forth in the demo mode)

I didnt have time to read other comments but let me share my experience with you
Im a guy who changes phone after phone and a heavy android user but because I like to change phones I mostly buy good midrangers.
anyway this is the only phone that I have used it for more than 6 months( its almost 9) beside xperia sp some years ago.
The design really feels good in hand - but it gets scratches very easily so u might wanna look for a back protector or cover.
The performance is liquid smooth you are not gonna see any lags only if its app related, but I wished it was a better processor anyway.
Screen quality is super awesome you will enjoy looking at it every single time you use it.
Cpu have never went more than 45 C degrees but keep in mind that its a 28nm processor.
battery life is good goes up to 2 days with normal use
app loadings speed is perfect havent seen any better phone in this price range
fingerprint sensor is very good gets your id even with a little touch
speakers are not that good I can say that and Im noticing some wizzing noises sometimes...
in the end I really suggest you to buy it cause its way better than z5c and dont buy it only if you would go for XZ premium!
Just watch out for defective units there seem to be more than normal...
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Edit: I forgot to say the phone is waterproof I tested it myself but no body will answer you if you damage it because its not official...

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