Hi !
I have an Xperia S which is dead now :crying: and am looking for a new phone at the moment.
Originally, I was looking at the Moto G 16gb but its got a very bad camera and lack of upgradable storage. So, I'm wondering whether the SP have a good camera or not !
BTW, what about the 4.4 availability ?
Is there any stable 4.4 custom ROM for SP ?
Sp is a good phone. Has a great camera. And feels premium to hold. In fact when my friend got it, I liked it so much that I sold my Galaxy s4 and bought an xperia z. Hope this helps.
Plus Sony makes camera modules for a lot of other manufacturers like Apple iPhones. Samsung galaxy series. So u almost always get a. Good camera with a mid range and higher sony phones
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toksick said:
Sp is a good phone. Has a great camera. And feels premium to hold. In fact when my friend got it, I liked it so much that I sold my Galaxy s4 and bought an xperia z. Hope this helps.
Plus Sony makes camera modules for a lot of other manufacturers like Apple iPhones. Samsung galaxy series. So u almost always get a. Good camera with a mid range and higher sony phones
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Yeah but I read a review saying that the 8 mp camera of the Xperia SP is very poor compared to that of the Xperia L.
I work in a machine design company and I have to take a lot of photos and videos of our products for making quick demos and filing the records. That implies I need a decent camera phone.
The Xperia S and the Samsung Wave I had were good performers in that regard.
I would be checking out the Xperia SP and the Galaxy S4 Mini and may be some LG phones today at this new shopping mall that opened in my city. If I'm not happy, I'll be going for the Moto G.
Its gonna be a good night
For the price you'd be hard pushed to beat the Moto G -- at only £120 sim free for the 8GB model it's an absolute bargain, but it's also a solid performer and has already been updated to 4.4.
Honestly speaking, you'd have to be getting a very good deal to make buying an Xperia SP now a good choice as it's already a year old and even at best would only be officially supported for another six months, which means that bug fixes and other software updates will dry up soon.
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Yeah but I read a review saying that the 8 mp camera of the Xperia SP is very poor compared to that of the Xperia L.
I work in a machine design company and I have to take a lot of photos and videos of our products for making quick demos and filing the records. That implies I need a decent camera phone.
The Xperia S and the Samsung Wave I had were good performers in that regard.
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if you need a good camera, why not go for the Z1 or Z1 compact?
Xperia SP's camera is a huge disappointment, if that's a big thing for you, looks elsewhere. I read that GS4 mini's camera is pretty good (though, it's only 5mpx, if I recall). Where XSP shines is in it's processing power, since it has a decent processor and Adreno 320 GPU, which GS4 mini lacks. However, the lack of KitKat and 1GB of RAM make the Xperia SP hard to recommend.
You should also check Xperia ZR, where I live, it is just $10-$15dls more expensive than Xperia SP. xperia ZR is water-proof and has a 13MPX with a Quad-Core processor.
Xperia Sp camera its no so good. It you want a good camera phone buy a lumia 920/925 or a Galaxy s3 it you want android.
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x.marX said:
I would be checking out the Xperia SP and the Galaxy S4 Mini and may be some LG phones today at this new shopping mall that opened in my city. If I'm not happy, I'll be going for the Moto G.
Its gonna be a good night
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Didn't happen, they closed their shop early coz its the weekend
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For the price you'd be hard pushed to beat the Moto G -- at only £120 sim free for the 8GB model it's an absolute bargain, but it's also a solid performer and has already been updated to 4.4.
Honestly speaking, you'd have to be getting a very good deal to make buying an Xperia SP now a good choice as it's already a year old and even at best would only be officially supported for another six months, which means that bug fixes and other software updates will dry up soon.
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I'm from India and I'm getting the Xperia SP for ~300 USD (18000 INR) and yeah the Moto G 16 GB is available here for ~233 USD.
As for updates, I don't care as long as there is custom ROMs available.
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if you need a good camera, why not go for the Z1 or Z1 compact?
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Xperia SP's camera is a huge disappointment, if that's a big thing for you, looks elsewhere. I read that GS4 mini's camera is pretty good (though, it's only 5mpx, if I recall). Where XSP shines is in it's processing power, since it has a decent processor and Adreno 320 GPU, which GS4 mini lacks. However, the lack of KitKat and 1GB of RAM make the Xperia SP hard to recommend.
You should also check Xperia ZR, where I live, it is just $10-$15dls more expensive than Xperia SP. xperia ZR is water-proof and has a 13MPX with a Quad-Core processor.
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S4 Mini have a 8 mp camera as well.
Xperia ZR was actually my first target but its expensive here (~430 USD).
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Xperia Sp camera its no so good. It you want a good camera phone buy a lumia 920/925 or a Galaxy s3 it you want android.
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After dropping the ZR from my list, I thought about getting the S3 but I hear its battery backup is not that great and yeah, I hate the rounded design Samsung uses. I think their Bada phones look much much better.
BTW, there are some rumers about the Xperia M2 and Xperia G being priced really low to compete with the Moto G. I wonder how low Sony would go in pricing them !
Xperia SP's camera is so pathetic that I am sure Moto G's pics will be much better than SP's. The reason I bought SP is its processing power and awesome design.
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Xperia SP's camera is so pathetic that I am sure Moto G's pics will be much better than SP's. The reason I bought SP is its processing power and awesome design.
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Is it that bad ?
BTW, if mediatek guys were a bit more "open", the Huawei Ascend g700 would have been a great buy for me....great camera, lots of RAM, good IPS Lcd display etc. But,AFAIK, there is no custom ROMs or any other development for that phone because there is minimal support from mediatek for custom android development projects
You are concerned about SP camera but not about moto G camera? Haha. My friend has moto G, ant trust me, if you need (seems like that's your main priority) decent camera dont eve think about moto G. I have chosen SP over moto G and they both are about the same price.
Yet if you have doubts about SP camera, you can look into S3/S4mini (I considered those as options for me, but SP in overall seemed a better choice) or lumia 920 (I also considered this, but I need option too record my calls and WPs cant offer this yet L920 camera is amazing and I would assume price would be similar if its still available in sale).
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You are concerned about SP camera but not about moto G camera? Haha. My friend has moto G, ant trust me, if you need (seems like that's your main priority) decent camera dont eve think about moto G. I have chosen SP over moto G and they both are about the same price.
Yet if you have doubts about SP camera, you can look into S3/S4mini (I considered those as options for me, but SP in overall seemed a better choice) or lumia 920 (I also considered this, but I need option too record my calls and WPs cant offer this yet L920 camera is amazing and I would assume price would be similar if its still available in sale).
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I thought Moto G's camera was betther than SP's
The problem with Samsung is that their designs look so awful to me. Sony and HTC are much much better.
I'm an Opera Mini/Mobile/Desktop addict, can't use any other browser (lots of bookmarks and notes in the Opera in my account) and sadly, that rules WP devices like 920.
My options currently:
1. Blackberry Z10. If it has an android ROM, I would be going for this one but there isn't any AFAIK.
2. Upcoming Xperia G
3. Xperia SP
4. Xperia ZR
5. Samsung GS4 Mini
6. Samsung GS3
trust me
x.marX said:
I thought Moto G's camera was betther than SP's
The problem with Samsung is that their designs look so awful to me. Sony and HTC are much much better.
I'm an Opera Mini/Mobile/Desktop addict, can't use any other browser (lots of bookmarks and notes in the Opera in my account) and sadly, that rules WP devices like 920.
My options currently:
1. Blackberry Z10. If it has an android ROM, I would be going for this one but there isn't any AFAIK.
2. Upcoming Xperia G
3. Xperia SP
4. Xperia ZR
5. Samsung GS4 Mini
6. Samsung GS3
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Good to know that we are on the same track about Samesong. I hate them.
Z10 was an option for me too, but it was too little hardware for the the price for me, so I left it out yet it seems to work flawlessly in youtube videos. Also it is very sexy device and since 10.2.1 OS update it supports .apk files so basically its an android with Blackberry stuff. Why would you need a ROM for Z10? Just for sake of flashing something or there is serious reason?
Xperia G seems ok. Is it known when it will be available? Are you ready to wait (and possibly wait to find out if you would afford it when its released)?
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Is it that bad ?
BTW, if mediatek guys were a bit more "open", the Huawei Ascend g700 would have been a great buy for me....great camera, lots of RAM, good IPS Lcd display etc. But,AFAIK, there is no custom ROMs or any other development for that phone because there is minimal support from mediatek for custom android development projects
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If your deciding factor is based the camera, I suggest you check this out:
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=5831&idPhone2=5364
As you can see, the SP may have a bigger pixel count but the image is over processed and has a lot of chromatic noise. If you need to zoom into a picture to look at small text, it may not be an ideal phone for you.
However, as an overall package (build quality, performance, battery life) it's probably the best phone in its price range.
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Good to know that we are on the same track about Samesong. I hate them.
Z10 was an option for me too, but it was too little hardware for the the price for me, so I left it out yet it seems to work flawlessly in youtube videos. Also it is very sexy device and since 10.2.1 OS update it supports .apk files so basically its an android with Blackberry stuff. Why would you need a ROM for Z10? Just for sake of flashing something or there is serious reason?
Xperia G seems ok. Is it known when it will be available? Are you ready to wait (and possibly wait to find out if you would afford it when its released)?
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Samesong :laugh: apt name :good:
Yes, I love the launchers for the Android and the look and feel of different ROMS like MIUI, CM etc. Its so amazing. I don't think the BB10 would support that much of customization
I'm waiting for the Xperia G..hope that I can afford it.
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If your deciding factor is based the camera, I suggest you check this out:
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=3&idPhone1=5831&idPhone2=5364
As you can see, the SP may have a bigger pixel count but the image is over processed and has a lot of chromatic noise. If you need to zoom into a picture to look at small text, it may not be an ideal phone for you.
However, as an overall package (build quality, performance, battery life) it's probably the best phone in its price range.
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The Moto G and the SP look so awful, doesn't it ? Samsung S4 mini's pic look really nice and detailed even matching the iPhone 5.
@x.marX
Go get Moto X.
Period.
I don't know where you reside , but if you have got access to Moto Maker , get a customized Moto X. The camera and the processioning power is alot better than Xperia SP. But Xperia SP's design is far better than its competitors.
But since Xperia SP is getting old, I think Moto X would be a better choice regarding the future updates , camera and performance.
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@x.marX
Go get Moto X.
Period.
I don't know where you reside , but if you have got access to Moto Maker , get a customized Moto X. The camera and the processioning power is alot better than Xperia SP. But Xperia SP's design is far better than its competitors.
But since Xperia SP is getting old, I think Moto X would be a better choice regarding the future updates , camera and performance.
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We have Moto X here but the full fledged Moto Maker won't be ready any time soon.
I'm not a big fan of Moto X btw.
1. "Rounded design" - not my cup of tea
2. Memory not expandable - I have a lot of FLAC audio files
3. Non-removable battery
Only advantage of SP over G is the memocard and LTE.
If you can live without them get MotoG/16GB and you'll be OK.
I changed from Moto G to SP, but regret it...
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We have Moto X here but the full fledged Moto Maker won't be ready any time soon.
I'm not a big fan of Moto X btw.
1. "Rounded design" - not my cup of tea
2. Memory not expandable - I have a lot of FLAC audio files
3. Non-removable battery
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If possible try to save enough money for Xperia ZR or LG Optimus G. Since both the product are getting pretty old, you may have huge discounts on them.
Hi,
I'm planing to purchase this phone in next few days i would like to know following details
How is the cellular call quality?
Does the phone support dual sim standby?
How is the sound output from headphone / speaker?
Does the phone heats when playing casual games such as subway surfer,leo fortune? ( consider game play about ~30-45 min )
Does it heat when watching complete movie?
Does it heat when using internet for long time? ( i.e phone will be connected to wifi always & will be using whatsapp,mail & some time facebook )
How is the display quality in bright sunlight?
waiting for your answers guys
please answer this question who has bought the phone.
thank you for reading my questions
How is the cellular call quality?
Average
Does the phone support dual sim standby?
Yes
How is the sound output from headphone / speaker?
Headphone = awesome
Speaker = average
Does the phone heats when playing casual games such as subway surfer,leo fortune? ( consider game play about ~30-45 min )
Yes, phone heats up after 20 minutes of continuous gaming
Does it heat when watching complete movie?
No
Does it heat when using internet for long time? ( i.e phone will be connected to wifi always & will be using whatsapp,mail & some time facebook )
No
How is the display quality in bright sunlight?
Very Good
@iloveindia
Thanks for your response
Hi everyone.
I am torn apart among Moto G4 Plus, Motorola's last year flagship Moto X Style and Honor 8. I would appreciate any ideas and pros and cons. I am not a gamer, but my device is normally loaded with apps. Camera is very important, fluid and lag free performance is also a must.
Thank you very much in advance.
pulses said:
Hi everyone.
I am torn apart among Moto G4 Plus, Motorola's last year flagship Moto X Style and Honor 8. I would appreciate any ideas and pros and cons. I am not a gamer, but my device is normally loaded with apps. Camera is very important, fluid and lag free performance is also a must.
Thank you very much in advance.
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Ok I can help you out on this. I've had all three phones(just returned honor 8 and picked up moto g plus 2gb model)
Battery
Honor 8=moto g plus- they are the same
MXPE- battery life is bad
Design
Honor 8
MXPE
Moto g plus
Screen
MXPE
Moto g plus
Honor 8
Features
Honor 8- best selling point
And toss up between g plus and MXPE
Camera
Honor 8 beautiful best still photos in a phone today!!!!
MXPE and g plus a toss
Video recording
Mxpe
Moto g plus
Honor 8- one of the disappoints of the device since the still photos are beautiful
Roms
Toss up between MXPE and g plus
Honor 8- their is root, twrp, unlock bootloader.
The kirin processor sources are hard to get, and XDA partnership seems like a big stunt lie so far between them and honor
Call quality
Honor 8
Moto g plus= MXPE
Speakers
MXPE
Moto g plus
Honor 8
So hopefully this helps you out! Also imho the moto g plus is the better well round device for money
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My baseband is M8952_70009.08.03.48a what firmware do I need and why does mine end with a when everyone else's ends with R?
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My baseband is M8952_70009.08.03.48a what firmware do I need and why does mine end with a when everyone else's ends with R?
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This isn't the right place to ask this. Please start a new thread or post in related threads.
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903tex said:
Ok I can help you out on this. I've had all three phones(just returned honor 8 and picked up moto g plus 2gb model)
Battery
Honor 8=moto g plus- they are the same
MXPE- battery life is bad
Design
Honor 8
MXPE
Moto g plus
Screen
MXPE
Moto g plus
Honor 8
Features
Honor 8- best selling point
And toss up between g plus and MXPE
Camera
Honor 8 beautiful best still photos in a phone today!!!!
MXPE and g plus a toss
Video recording
Mxpe
Moto g plus
Honor 8- one of the disappoints of the device since the still photos are beautiful
Roms
Toss up between MXPE and g plus
Honor 8- their is root, twrp, unlock bootloader.
The kirin processor sources are hard to get, and XDA partnership seems like a big stunt lie so far between them and honor
Call quality
Honor 8
Moto g plus= MXPE
Speakers
MXPE
Moto g plus
Honor 8
So hopefully this helps you out! Also imho the moto g plus is the better well round device for money
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Thank you very much for the clarification. :good::good:
I think I will also order the G4 Plus.
Hi, I currently have a Moto G (2014) and I want to change my phone.
I don't know if I should wait for the moto G5 (I don't know the release date) or buy the G4 now.
I heard that it will be not much better than the G4 anyway ?
Also another question , how's the x265(1080p) decoding on Moto G4 ? Most of my video files are encoded in x265..
G5 images was fake... Go for g4 plus
Dunno
Glpx said:
Hi, I currently have a Moto G (2014) and I want to change my phone.
I don't know if I should wait for the moto G5 (I don't know the release date) or buy the G4 now.
I heard that it will be not much better than the G4 anyway ?
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Glpx said:
Hi, I currently have a Moto G (2014) and I want to change my phone.
I don't know if I should wait for the moto G5 (I don't know the release date) or buy the G4 now.
I heard that it will be not much better than the G4 anyway ?
Also another question , how's the x265(1080p) decoding on Moto G4 ? Most of my video files are encoded in x265..
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I havent had any problems with G4+. I dont play many games and I dont record long videos so I havent had any heat issues. I bought 64gb for $250 on Swappa.
I unlocked bootloader, Seamless root without any hiccups. Great device for me.
I dont think the Moto G series will get much better than the current Moto G4+ for a year or two.
PS I also have Moto G3 2015 as my oops phone. There is an advantage with Moto G4+.
Unless I'm mistaken it's the same hardware just with a fingerprint sensor and more storage options. I have the regular G4 and like it and wouldn't use the fingerprint anyways. If you want more storage it's probably cheaper to get like a 32-64gb as card for cheaper than the price difference of buying the other phone model. Just my opinion.
Go for Moto G4 plus now !
Go for G4+ as the G5 news cannot be relied upon. Also, your G(2014) is way too old, if you wanna change your phone, G4+ would be best so far in that price range. Waiting for G5 at this stage will make you halt for atleast a year-and-half from now, and would not contain much of the "GREATER" changes. As for codec support, the device (G4+) works perfectly fine with the x265(1080p) decoding. In fact it works brilliant with all codecs.
Wait for REDMI 4 PRIME ( Snapdragon 625, 4000mAh battery,3GB RAm,32 gb internal, fingerprint scanner), all under 15K!!!!!
Its rumoured to launch in India in Jan/Feb.
I would hold my horses and wait for its launch,Snapdragon 617 is one of the worst performing Soc ever(I didn't forgot Snapdragon 810 v2.1)
PS: I have nothing against g4 plus except that mediocre processor used by Moto to save cost!! I recommended my sister to buy moto g4 plus, it's an excellent camera phone under 15K,if not the best budget phone.
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Wait for REDMI 4 PRIME ( Snapdragon 625, 4000mAh battery,3GB RAm,32 gb internal, fingerprint scanner), all under 15K!!!!!
Its rumoured to launch in India in Jan/Feb.
I would hold my horses and wait for its launch,Snapdragon 617 is one of the worst performing Soc ever(I didn't forgot Snapdragon 810 v2.1)
PS: I have nothing against g4 plus except that mediocre processor used by Moto to save cost!! I recommended my sister to buy moto g4 plus, it's an excellent camera phone under 15K,if not the best budget phone.
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Why?
EvilHowl said:
Why?
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The phone throttles very soon and is not good basic functionality like recording FHD videos as the frame drops starts to occur and is even present in the saved video file. Also not good for gaming more than 30min!!!!!!
more for here:
http://www.androidbeat.com/2016/05/moto-g4-plus-suffer-from-overheating-issues/
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The phone throttles very soon and is not good basic functionality like recording FHD videos as the frame drops starts to occur and is even present in the saved video file. Also not good for gaming more than 30min!!!!!!
more for here:
http://www.androidbeat.com/2016/05/moto-g4-plus-suffer-from-overheating-issues/
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It was fixed some months ago. No overheating issues viewing VR 360º videos or playing Asphalt 8 in latest MM or Nougat.
Hi. I'm on the hunt for my a new phone to replace my ageing Galaxy S5 Neo. I chose these two phones as they are within my budget and on the same price range.
Am i correct in saying the Helio P20 is better than the Snapdragon 625 in terms of battery life and a more "balanced" performance?
Does the speakers on the XA1 be sufficient enough on a London bus or a partly crowded high street?
Is it true the XA1's camera came from or derived from the older Z5 but with slightly better optics & optimization?
And would you guys (still) think Sony is better in terms of pushing updates especially monthly security updates, bug fixes, etc.?
Would love to hear your thoughts & advice please.
For screen and battery g5+. Camera overall and build sony.. i personally like the g5+, + it has a fp scanner and fhd screen and it shows the difference but processing whise Sony's p20 is better.. games are better on g5 bcz of the adreno. And the g5 supports 5ghz wifi but he sony has the better build.. i'm in the same dilemma and i think I'll opt for the g5 (non+) bcz of fp scanner and fhd . Daily use is the same in terms of processing and the camera well.. i can do with 13. And the 12 on the 5+is on par with sony. Updates are better on moto and more often and sooner. Speakers ar low on both but still enough. Hope it helps.
Are you certain Moto has faster updates? Ever since Lenovo took over the updates have become very slow & scarce. And that's the truth. Ask anyone and they will tell you.
I'm also concerned with the G5 Plus not having USB Type-C, No waterproofing, No any form of image stabilisation on camera and no Cat-6 4G LTE speeds. Obviously the first three maybe because of money-saving exercise or perhaps backward thinking as well?