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http://www.xda-developers.com/sony-xperia-z4-unveiled-in-japan/
So according to those news, the camera on z4 will be the same as z3's with some small software improvements.This could be something big, raw or more manual settings perhaps even better whitebalance.I don't think raw functionality could be ported but atleast we'd have a better camera app if the news aren't lying.
What's your opinion on this? How satisfied are you with the current camera app we've got?
Not worth the upgrade. The 810 SoC is really bad on battery and has tons of issue with overheating. Plus smaller battery? No thanks. I'll stick with my Z2. Still performs flawless so far and looks the same as the Z4.
My upgrade is due in August i have been hoping it would be about the right time for the Z4 ,
But i just was hoping for better after all i did not bother with the z3 because it the same as i already have,,,,,
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Not worth the upgrade. The 810 SoC is really bad on battery and has tons of issue with overheating. Plus smaller battery? No thanks. I'll stick with my Z2. Still performs flawless so far and looks the same as the Z4.
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Exactly, though if it does have the same camera but with improved software, it would benefit us z2 users.
@lodger
Z2 is a decent flagship, I don't think an upgrade is neccessary however if you do upgrade don't go for Z4, snapdragon 810 has overheating issues, it will have smaller battery plus more power consumption.
Go for S6 or S6 edge.I know samsung has quality issues but those two are premium phones.They don't have snapdragon afterall, rumor says samsung tried 810 but couldn't deal with the heat so they used their own chipset which has great battery/performance.
so the official words is this will be called the Z3+, not the Z4.
Source: http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/26/8659357/sony-xperia-z3-plus-specs-features-release-date
Time to switch to LG G4.
I'll be sticking with the Z2 thanks, until ara comes out at least
the Z3+ supports alot of manual settings like Manual Focus,shutter speed,ISO and white balance.So there is hope for us too. ( :
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This makes me happy, manual controls is what is needed on a phone with a good camera
manual control is introduced for the z3+ but still no raw support
check this video
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng9Cqcs2-CA
Thats disapointing
Raw support would make my college work so much easier.
Lets hope sony bring raw mode
Someone will mod and port those settings to Z2!
Still Z3+ isn't a worthy update. A true Z4 with 820 SOC when it comes.
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How do you all know if the Z4 have heating issues, do you have it ? No the device isn't out yet so you all cant complain, Sony fix that probarly till the release and if someone have the Z4 then we can talk about it and please dont say Samsung is a quality phone since they have the s6, Sony is a better quality phone and for sure a better design, let samsung stick on thier plastic devices !
every phone that has a S810 built in has been hot till now. And if not it's been throttling down like hell.
Even this Chinaphone (name forgotten sorry) which had 5 patent's pending on cooling technology and said they will get the dragon tamed failed.
and from a material point of view glass is not really a good material for heat transportation. I don't expect any kind of Magic from Sony in this case.
But yeah, we will see that with the first reviews
btw Camera.... we have a IMX220 sensor in our Z2 right? Same as Z3...
Z4 will also get this one or the 16MP IMX240 as in SGS6 and Note4, with native 16:9 resolution.
Though the IMX230 is said to ship in April 2015.... still 4:3 and some pretty neat features.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201411/14-112E/
http://www.androidauthority.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-810-benchmark-no-overheating-587303/
You do realise that "MDP" stands for Mobile Development Platform and is especially made by Qualcomm?
sold my Z2 and upgraded to a LG G4 international unlocked model. Couldn't be happier. Best upgrade ever. Everything is better than the Z2 and the camera is way more advance than Sony's camera.
http://m.pocketnow.com/2015/06/09/snapdragon-810-v2-1
Verizon is introducing
http://m.gsmarena.com/a_verizonexclusive_xperia_z4v_is_coming_to_america-news-12672.php
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Hi. I'm on the hunt for my a new phone to replace my ageing Galaxy S5 Neo. I chose these two phones as they are within my budget and on the same price range.
Read that the Snapdragon 625 is slightly worse than the Helio P20 in terms of battery life and performance?
The speakers on the G5 Plus seem large but is sufficient enough on a London bus or a partly crowded high street than the XA1?
Is it true the G5 Plus' camera is similar to that of the Galaxy S7? Photo sample I have seen so far suggest a bland/low contrasty photo (Auto mode) and no video stabilisation?
And would you guys (still) think Sony is better in terms of pushing updates especially monthly security updates, bug fixes, etc.? Lenovo has been remise and negligent in updating the Moto lineup since acquisition. True?
Would the G5 Plus struggle with location apps such as Google Maps or City Mapper coz it has no compass or magnetometer?
"Splash resistant" body meaning is the phone safe when exposed to light rain or a drop of a glass of water?
Would love to hear your thoughts & advice please.
Short answer: I'd ask you to go with the Moto G5+ instead of the XA1.
Elaborate answer based on your queries:
1. SD 625 is the best processor currently available in the market with an excellent balance between battery and performance. I'm a daily user of G5+, i use it for Whatsapp, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat, Music, Gaming daily and not one day has passed when i had to charge it twice. Average SOT ranges between 6 and 7 hours, never below it. No stutters in day to day tasks, heats up only while charging, coming from SD801, this is a very surprising SoC, it performs as well in gaming, better in heat management and battery, and as good in performance if not better.
2. Don't know about XA1's speakers, but the speakers on G5+ are a bit disappointment. They are not loud enough for me, coming from a OnePlus One, however their front placement is a plus though don't expect to hear it in a very crowded setting.
3. Camera doesn't compare to S7 in ANY respect. If you expect this to perform as well as S7 please don't get this phone. It's nowhere near to it. However for the price, i don't think you'll find a better camera. It's great for social media needs, very good for good lighting conditions, average for low lighting. Video has EIS, so they are less shaky however lack of OIS hurts.
4. Regarding updates, Sony pushes out fast updates to its flagships, not that fast to midrangers. Moto on the other hand pushes out major updates fairly quickly though not as fast as they used to be, they are still comparable to other brands. Yes, Lenovo acquisition has made the software scene worse, but i guess it still is better than Sony's.
5. Regarding navigation, its top notch and lack of compass hurts only if you have no data or network signal. Otherwise it performs as well as any other phone, if you have decent data connection.
6. Yes, splash resistant means slight water exposure is fine. Just don't take it swimming with you.
Hope this helped
Many thanks the reply. But I would like to make some statements too.
According to http://www.specout.com/ the SD625 (of the G5 Plus) has a lower performing CPU than the XA1's Helio P20; the fact that the latter is newer and built on a newer 18nm process makes it better for battery life and a balanced performance. Agree or not?
You mentioned no stutters but you did not mentioned that with "only" 3GB of RAM (the only option here in the UK) the apps would load instantly using the multitasking pane? (Videos I have seen suggests apps in the background load up slowly. I could be wrong)
Re the speakers would you say they are better if not the same as last year's model?
Re the camera 9 out of 10 the video review I've seen so far makes the photos (& videos) looks dull, bland & lacking colour/contrast. Average low light doesn't sound encouraging to me. I don't know if it is because how the video was uploaded onto YT but so far it paints a not-so rosy picture. And you also mentioned the camera has EIS but only at 1080p at 30fps? True?
Is the storage based off eMMC or UFS standard?
I made a quick survey on Twitter and all who voted said Sony is faster in updates. But would you say Moto is still faster overall? Having no monthly security updates doesn't sound fast to me. And sometimes updates can be slightly faster in one region, slower in others. So, what is it really?
I still think having a compass would make a difference albeit incremental when using location services such as Google Maps, Weather or City Mapper or looking for an ATM or restaurant in a foreign city. A good network reception is not a guarantee (even here in London though most of the times it is very good) and having that extra piece of hardware will be a big bonus.
Re the nano coating if say i accidentally spill a glass of water or soda or dropped it into the sink for a few seconds or using my phone calling someone whilst it is raining would you say my phone won't get water damaged? (I always believe this nano coating is a half-hearted / money saving exercise as ports such the mic, USB charging port, headphone jack, speakers are prone to water. And when the water indicators have shown it Moto won't replace your device. That's how i see it.
From what I'm reading, you want the Xperia.
Go for it.
Sony is good with updates while Moto has been lazy lately. If you are concerned about updates and security, then Sony would be better but all depends on your requirements
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Sony is good with updates while Moto has been lazy lately. If you are concerned about updates and security, then Sony would be better but all depends on your requirements
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Both phones suit my requirements in one way or the other. But as a "precaution" it would be nice if a phone has a compass or magnetometer (which the G5 Plus doesn't have) , Cat-6 4G LTE (which both the XA1 and G5 Plus have) and nano coating for protection against minor water spills (which G5 Plus offers).
The XA1 is considered a mid-range phone which I heard Sony is quite slow in updating (apart from their higher mid-range or flagship models) whilst the Moto G5 Plus is also a mid-range phone but Lenovo has been slow to update lately.
So....which one?
Hi OP, which one did you get buying? I'm facing the same dilemma..
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Hi OP, which one did you get buying? I'm facing the same dilemma..
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I have not bought either phone. I am selling my Xperia XZ and trying to determine which one phone will meet my needs.
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I have not bought either phone. I am selling my Xperia XZ and trying to determine which one phone will meet my needs.
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I am also facing the same issue. But i am favouring the G5 plus.
Go for the xa1 plus instead. Humongous battery, fingerprint sensor, louder speakers, fantastic camera, slightly lower performance than flagships. Only drwaback is it's plastic though but still it's a 10 out of 10 appreance wise
Hello everyone, as to the reason why I'm asking in this thread. I'm personally favouring the G6 for unknown reasons. I just wanted some more input.
I cannot decide between the G6 and the Oneplus 5
What would you pick and why?
For me the G6 has unique features like the Waterproofing, the wide angle, the dac, Qhd display
Oneplus has software and power, better sensor(?)
I really want the better camera experience which is why I'm leaning towards the G6 for the wide angle.
At the same time, FCC is bad/average I read here which is sad, while the oneplus front cam is supposedly good but I probably use it only for video calling anyway
In low light, indoor pictures how do the G6 fair in your opinion? Satisfied by indoor pictures of people/pets etc??
Video calling with the front camera? Good bad?
what do you say?
Thank you for your insights!
Oh one more thing, this purchase is going to be a keeper, meaning 2-3 years if possible. What's the better buy?
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Hello everyone, as to the reason why I'm asking in this thread. I'm personally favouring the G6 for unknown reasons. I just wanted some more input.
I cannot decide between the G6 and the Oneplus 5
What would you pick and why?
For me the G6 has unique features like the Waterproofing, the wide angle, the dac, Qhd display
Oneplus has software and power, better sensor(?)
I really want the better camera experience which is why I'm leaning towards the G6 for the wide angle.
At the same time, FCC is bad/average I read here which is sad, while the oneplus front cam is supposedly good but I probably use it only for video calling anyway
In low light, indoor pictures how do the G6 fair in your opinion? Satisfied by indoor pictures of people/pets etc??
Video calling with the front camera? Good bad?
what do you say?
Thank you for your insights!
Oh one more thing, this purchase is going to be a keeper, meaning 2-3 years if possible. What's the better buy?
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Better screen on g6 next to no bezzle on g6 them 2 things alone make the g6 better than op5 in my opinion
The only 3 things that op5 have better than LG it's fast updates , stock Android and the os it's faster. The rest the gym smocks op5
G6 24 month warranty! Love the IQ, very happy thus far.
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If you are concerned about the front camera on the LG G6, use the rear wide angle camera and easily take selfies! The LG G6 is one of the fastest SD 821 devices out there so compared to the One Plus 5 which use SD 835, You will save fractions of a second when using the faster One Plus 5, nothing major differences in performance! LG G6 is even better than the SD 835 or the Exynos specced Galaxy S8 due to the LG UX 6.0 being smoother than Samsung's software..
Well, this is ironic.
I have a G6 and my friend just got an OP5 so we compared a few things. I have a pretty good idea what the differences are.
Design: Of course this is subjective, depends what you prefer. The OP5 is thinner, but I like the G6 better. That's of course your preference, but once you go bezeless, it's hard to go back.
Battery: I'm actually getting great battery life on the G6, however, the OP5 is just better. The battery size is the same, but the 835 is more power efficient, the screen is 1080p instead of 2k, and Android 7.1 has more battery optimizations than 7.0. As well as less bloat running in the background.
Of course again, that depends on your usage. Speaking of display:
Screen: Both are gorgeous screens, 5.7 2k vs 5.5 1080p (and yes, the G6 is slightly smaller even with the bigger screen). Both are nice, and it's really your choice. The G6 screen is gorgeous, and LCD which is really one of the best. The OP5 screen is a nice dark amoled and has great colour. You won't be disappointed by either screen, it all depends on whether you really want the nicer denser screen, or of 1080p is nice enough, taking I told account battery savings.
Speed: Day to day usage, both phones are great. I really see no stutter or lags on either device, except for the occasional hiccup in an app. But that's the app more than the hardware.
That being said, the little things is where the OP5 flies. Unlocking it is nearly instant. The camera loads ridiculously quickly. And of course games load quicker. If the G6 could be rooted and some bloat deleted, it could probably do a bit better, but stock out of the box, the OP5 flies... unlike the G6.
Camera: I'm not a big photos guy, so I can only give you some simple experience with that. Both rear cameras are very similar quality wise. The OP5 gets the bokkeh effect, and the G6 has the wide lens. Again, kind of comes down to your preference. The front facing camera is better on the OP5. That's no competition. I assume LG could not fit a better camera on the small bezel. That being said, it's not a TERRIBLE camera. As long as you have some good light, you're fine. It's just low light that ruins things (like most cameras anyway)
Regardless, both phones are pretty awesome. They both do very well for day-to-day. They both look very nice as well. Although I'd give the "looks" advantage to the G6, especially since the OP5 looks just like the iphone7, which personally, I really don't like. But it doesn't mean its a bad look or anything, again, very subjective. The power though, goes to the OP5. Again, the G6 isn't bad by any means, but you can really tell which phone is more powerful when putting them side by side.
I tend to edge over to the G6. I feel it's a more no compromises approach. Despite being overall less powerful, it doesn't suffer in day to day, and looks great. The OP5 is definitely more of an enthusiast device, but I would pass on the looks.
So unless there is a specific reason to get one: like rooting, the front camera, the display tech (LCD vs amoled), the processor, etc. You'll be fine with either device.
Take a look at the pricing around you. I got the G6 from a carrier so I paid less up front, but overall the OP5 is a bit cheaper (at least here) so that's a consideration.
Good luck!
Leaning towards the op5
My LG G4 just died with the boot loop that's caused by the soldering problem admitted by LG themselves. Despite my phone still being under warranty, they've refused to fix it due to the phone being rooted. Luckily Amazon gave me a full refund regardless. Not happy with LG at all! I mean rooting is the whole point of owning an Android in the first place.
LG seems to be a better and cheaper phone here (maybe not so much in the battery department) but I'm weary of getting burned again by LG... Plus OP has better support and optimization. The battery life on the original firmware that LG G4 came with was absolutely appalling, 2.5h of screen on time. Smh...
Hope this helps in your decision.
I'm gonna carry on my research for another day or two I think.
I'm starting to regret getting the g6. Stuck on android 7.0 and probably getting only one more update to 8.0. First releases are always bug infested.....we...G6 owners are doomed to use buggy software till rhe end of days.
My prior phone (OP3) wasn't flawless but at least the software was up to date and it was rootable.
I'm waiting for the release of the new pixel and if that won't win me over...im jumping ship to the OP5.
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I'm starting to regret getting the g6. Stuck on android 7.0 and probably getting only one more update to 8.0. First releases are always bug infested.....we...G6 owners are doomed to use buggy software till rhe end of days.
My prior phone (OP3) wasn't flawless but at least the software was up to date and it was rootable.
I'm waiting for the release of the new pixel and if that won't win me over...im jumping ship to the OP5.
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Im actually expecting G6 to receive Project Treble support and 2 more android updates. Keep in mind G6 was released early this year with nougat (7), oem flagships usually support phones for 2 years, thus android 9 is not wishful thinking...pending support from qualcomm on 821 chip, but I'd imagine google will press qualcomm to maintain support as original pixels share same chip.
I have a Note 3 through AT&T which I pre-ordered, I believe four years ago this fall. The bootloader is locked and the phone only ever received one OS update before being dumped, solely for the purpose of convincing people they need to upgrade. The OS is terribly outdated, but I do all I want thanks to the early root exploit and Xposed--all I want except take good photos in suboptimal lighting conditions. I would, however, greatly appreciate the peace of mind offered by having the latest OS version (including security fixes) my hardware can cope with (I am acutely aware the Note 3's hardware is perfectly sufficient for running the very latest version of Android I am locked out of by my evil service provider).
I've noticed none of the high-end phones offered by AT&T even have root exploits available at the moment. I will never own a phone I am not the administrator of. I'm being forced, for the first time, to buy a generic unlocked phone.
I want a flagship phone (meaning at least 6GB RAM) I can use with root access for many years, updating along the way, with a good camera and a notification LED. I considered the OnePlus 5, but apparently its camera is lackluster. I NEED to be able to take high quality cat pictures to share with people who do not care. It is in my blood.
Is a non-contract S8 my obvious top contender? Are there others I should consider?
Or am I presuming too much in thinking that a generic S8 does indeed come with an unlocked bootloader and possible root access?
Huawei p10 pro. Best camera and speed system.
2. Done?
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I want a flagship phone (meaning at least 6GB RAM) I can use with root access for many years, updating along the way, with a good camera and a notification LED. I considered the OnePlus 5, but apparently its camera is lackluster. I NEED to be able to take high quality cat pictures to share with people who do not care. It is in my blood.
Is a non-contract S8 my obvious top contender? Are there others I should consider?
Or am I presuming too much in thinking that a generic S8 does indeed come with an unlocked bootloader and possible root access?
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The majority of Custom Rom support here in theis Forum is for the european S8 (Exynos Variant) ONLY! The European version is missing frequencies for optimal use in the USA. Since your carrier is AT&T I´m assuming that you live in the US. So I wouldn´t recommend the S8 to you.
Since you are comming from a Galaxy Note and ask for a good Camera, I think these Phones could fit your needs:
Google Pixel XL: Great Camera, constant official Updates and good Custom Rom support. Relativly expensive and no SD-Card support. The Pixel 2 XL will be realesed next month, so price will drop a bit. Or just get the new one
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl
Huawei P10 Plus: Great Camera, fairly good official Updates, support for Custom Roms is picking up. Cheaper
https://forum.xda-developers.com/p10-plus
Huawei Mate 10: Everything P10 Plus offers, but bigger and better and more expensive. Will be released next month.
Notable Mentions: HTC U11 and Sony Xperia XZ1 and Xperia XZ Premium
Thanks so much, I'll check out all of those.
Good camera? Get a pixel or wait for Pixel 2. SG8 has a poor camera (in comparison)
The S8 definitely has a good "single" camera for today's standards, it's marginally improved compared to the last years' S7.
What's worth mentioning is that if you pull the trigger on an unlockable S8 you will be able to mod it so you can increase the image and video quality to even higher margins - QHD @ 60fps, HDR 4K filming, increased bitrates and so forth.
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The S8 definitely has a good "single" camera for today's standards, it's marginally improved compared to the last years' S7.
What's worth mentioning is that if you pull the trigger on an unlockable S8 you will be able to mod it so you can increase the image and video quality to even higher margins - QHD @ 60fps, HDR 4K filming, increased bitrates and so forth.
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Both devices are rootable. Just sayin'
Wait for Pixel XL 2... I am not a fan of this camera at all and battery life sucks
According to latest leaks from certification sites the moto g6+ is supposed to feature:
1. SD 630
2. 4GB - 32 GB, 6GB - 64GB
3. 12 MP f/1.7 + 5 MP f/1.9 - rear camera
4. 16 MP f/1.9 F Front camera
5. IP67, NFC
6. 5.9" 18:9 full hd+
So why Moto X4 didn't get a wider (f1.7) aperture primary lens, although being a pricey phone?
It feels bad that a relatively cheaper g6+ would take better low light shots
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According to latest leaks from certification sites the moto g6+ is supposed to feature:
1. SD 630
2. 4GB - 32 GB, 6GB - 64GB
3. 12 MP f/1.7 + 5 MP f/1.9 - rear camera
4. 16 MP f/1.9 F Front camera
5. IP67, NFC
6. 5.9" 18:9 full hd+
So why Moto X4 didn't get a wider (f1.7) aperture primary lens, although being a pricey phone?
It feels bad that a relatively cheaper g6+ would take better low light shots
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even g5+ had f1.7. and a better imx362 sensor. :laugh:
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even g5+ had f1.7. and a better imx362 sensor. :laugh:
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That's what I'm trying to know, why are lower priced g series phones have better camera?
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That's what I'm trying to know, why are lower priced g series phones have better camera?
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because motorola management is really stupid. it's not just hardware, even the software side has very stupid decisions. like 1080p60 on g5+ uses 4k stream, which is really sharp and high quality compared to what their other phones use.
it's stupid, that's all i can say.
Actually aperture is just a small part in this overall picture. I have both X4 and Z2 Play (which has 1.7 aperture) and you know what ?
The pictures I like most come either from X4 with Google Camera mod, or - when we are at Z2 Play - from Hasselblad Moto Mod which has 3.5 aperture.
OIS is what does best job.
Well I think the only thing I would've liked is 6GB of RAM right out of the gate but that would've hurt the Z2 Play sales for sure.
Regarding the camera you're not taking into account one thing: the Moto X4 sensor has 1.4 micron pixels in the sensor, which cannot be said for the G5+. So the 0.3 aperture you're losing you gain it back with bigger pixels. Also we're still talking about mobile phones camera so results will ALWAYS be mediocre in low light. In low light photos from a 2018 200$ Honor/Huawei phone are almost indistinguishable from photos taken with the Galaxy S9. Luckly tech is getting better and cheaper so don't be salty about a number on a spec sheet.
big brands are always overpriced and lag behind brands like huawei and xiaomi especially.
they devise market schemes so people would replace their phones more quickly. and the same or better phoneparts are now cheaper for manufacturers than 6months ago.
the only thing i really hate about the moto x4 is no treble. meaning more bugs and less diversity in 3rd party roms.
Most of the dialogue on the thread so far is about camera differences vs. other phones. So far, so good.
I am considering g6 vs. x4 as my next daily driver, either with Project Fi or directly with T-Mobile (my current provider). From the Moto line, Fi requires either G6, x4, or AndroidOne x4.
Apart from the camera and the purchase price, what other reasons would you consider to favor g6 or x4, especially with Project Fi?
Best regards,
moto x4 has better image quality in certain aspects just look at the comparison.
https://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=9001&idPhone2=8634
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moto x4 has better image quality in certain aspects just look at the comparison.
https://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=9001&idPhone2=8634
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Yeah certainly X4 is ahead in most of the areas