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Hey guys, I've been looking into this some and I wonder if someone could clarify it all for me. I know that LTE works for AWS bands on the N4. However, I've also read that it lacks needed hardware (amplifier) for official compatibility. Can someone explain the differences I will see between using LTE on the Nexus 4 vs my Note 2? Will the signal strength be lower? Will it drain my battery a lot faster than it should?
FYI, All I care about on Batter Life is getting through a day. If it meets that, I'm happy.
The Nexus 4 has a LTE chip but it's disabled. You can only use HSPA+ on it. It was never certified via the FCC so it can't be used. Despite this, there has been a work around to enable LTE on the Nexus 4. Previously on the older update (4.2.1 with .33 radio baseband) LTE was easily accessed for use. But after the 4.2.2 update with .48 radio baseband Google blocked LTE access completely. However this is loophole created to make LTE work while on a older baseband by editing a file in the system.
Some folks have reported their service has gotten better with LTE and some have said battery life gotten better somehow.
In sum, the Nexus 4 doesn't really have LTE.
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scream4cheese said:
The Nexus 4 has a LTE chip but it's disabled. You can only use HSPA+ on it. It was never certified via the FCC so it can't be used. Despite this, there has been a work around to enable LTE on the Nexus 4. Previously on the older update (4.2.1 with .33 radio baseband) LTE was easily accessed for use. But after the 4.2.2 update with .48 radio baseband Google blocked LTE access completely. However this is loophole created to make LTE work while on a older baseband by editing a file in the system.
Some folks have reported their service has gotten better with LTE and some have said battery life gotten better somehow.
In sum, the Nexus 4 doesn't really have LTE.
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Thank you for your reply. I understand all of what you said. What I'm looking for are the specifics. Are there any problems observed with using the Nexus 4 for LTE after the hacks have been done?
Poke_N_PDA said:
Thank you for your reply. I understand all of what you said. What I'm looking for are the specifics. Are there any problems observed with using the Nexus 4 for LTE after the hacks have been done?
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At the moment, there are none.
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Hey guys, Im just wondering if LTE has been enabled on the new Android 4.4 Kitkat update. As we all know google had eliminated the LTE capacity on the N4, its only been achievable by using hybrid radios. Any news about this would be awesome. Thanks!
elnegrobuster said:
Hey guys, Im just wondering if LTE has been enabled on the new Android 4.4 Kitkat update. As we all know google had eliminated the LTE capacity on the N4, its only been achievable by using hybrid radios. Any news about this would be awesome. Thanks!
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If you take 1.5 minutes of your time to read the LTE threads, you'd be able to find out without making a new thread...
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it would be illegal for google to activate lte on the phone. the fcc never approved lte for the nexus 4, that means itll never ever get official lte.
simms22 said:
it would be illegal for google to activate lte on the phone. the fcc never approved lte for the nexus 4, that means itll never ever get official lte.
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Also, the hardware doesn't support all the LTE bands currently in use (or it's missing an amplifier for some) so it would be a half-measure anyway.
Since some people are starting to receive their 6P's today figured I would ask if someone could check to see which of these are supported out of the box. I know on the 5X WiFi calling and VoLTE work but Band 12 does not. I figure the same for the 6P but given it ships a week later you never know.
There was a post by someone who got their hands on a device almost a week ago and he said that VoLTE and Wifi Calling works out of the box on T-Mobile, but there isn't band 12 support yet...I am sure we will get an update for that later like we did with the Nexus 6
Pecata said:
There was a post by someone who got their hands on a device almost a week ago and he said that VoLTE and Wifi Calling works out of the box on T-Mobile, but there isn't band 12 support yet...I am sure we will get an update for that later like we did with the Nexus 6
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I kinda figured it would be case considering the 5X is the same way. I guess it was wishful thinking that maybe the 6P would get it out of the box since it technically shipped a week later. I guess I can be patient. Looking to leave Verizon for T-Mobile but I know from friends that at least in Houston band 12 makes a huge difference so won't make the move until that is active.
landale said:
I kinda figured it would be case considering the 5X is the same way. I guess it was wishful thinking that maybe the 6P would get it out of the box since it technically shipped a week later. I guess I can be patient. Looking to leave Verizon for T-Mobile but I know from friends that at least in Houston band 12 makes a huge difference so won't make the move until that is active.
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Yeah, where I am there isn't band 12 yet, so to me it doesn't matter... But I have heard as well that it makes a huge difference in buildings... I hope we get it here in Utah soon as well...
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Is band 12 good enough to get service in a cave? Lol
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Is band 12 good enough to get service in a cave? Lol
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LOL, it had been tested on Mars!
On reddit AMA, a google rep said band 12 would be functioning by ship date. Seeing as the 6P has been shipping has anyone been able to confirm band 12 support?
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On reddit AMA, a google rep said band 12 would be functioning by ship date. Seeing as the 6P has been shipping has anyone been able to confirm band 12 support?
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No band 12 yet.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus6P/comments/3qfpy7/no_band_12_on_nexus_6p/
Band 12 Support
This seems to confirm Band 12 support after the latest OTA:
http://forums.androidcentral.com/nexus-6p/600054-t-mobile-band-12-supported-project-fi.html
Granted it's on Fi, but given that Fi runs partially on T-Mobile's backbone, seems like good info.
I'm not seeing band 12 with the 6P on T-Mobile.
Odd that it works with Fi and not T-Mobile.
Tmo has coverage areas where they are on band 12 only and federal law requires that if the phone shows a signal it has to be able to place an emergency call. Since the 6P does not have VoLTE yet it can show a signal but be incapable of making that emergency call which is why the phone is coming with 12 disabled on Tmo but enabled on fi where the limitation does not exist.
My Nexus 6P is not picking up Band 12 nor using VoLTE with my Project Fi SIM card nor T-Mobile SIM card. And it downloaded an update immediately upon activation. However,my Nexus 6 will pick up Band 12 on both Project Fi and T-Mobile SIM cards. I think the folks who have said they have Project Fi working on Band 12 were not reporting specifically about a 6P. Just in general that Project Fi works with Band 12.
My 6P does now work with Tmo WiFi calling though. I hope the Band 12 gets enabled soon. And also VoLTE, which doesn't work on B4 either currently. It's one of the reasons I bought this phone.
My 6P is making VoLTE calls on T-Mobile.
Does VoLTE imply band 12? Have you received an OTA recently?
I did receive an OTA when I first started the phone. I have no way to test if Band 12 is enabled because Band 12 is not yet deployed in my area due to an active TV station.
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Does VoLTE imply band 12? Have you received an OTA recently?
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VoLTE is required for T-Mobile to approve the enabling of Band 12 but having it active doesn't mean it's active yet which appears to be the case here. VoLTE works but I am guessing there is a wait for T-Mobile to certify the device. Project Fi can use it now since Google is an MVNO and likely decided they can always switch to Sprint if a user is on Band 12 and lacks the ability to call.
I only get band 4. I know I can get band 12 because my n6 got it. I do get HD calling which I assume is volte. And I do use WiFi calling
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My phone doesn't want to enable WiFi calling. If it does decide to turn on, it has issues sending SMS, they fail. I did manage to fix all the issues by reseating my sim card, however the issues returned and wifi calling disconnected and hasn't come back since. This is really frustrating. I'm on MDB08K
FWIW, I'm currently on the phone with Google Tech Support. I don't get band 12 on either a T-Mo sim or Fi sim on my 6P. I, too, updated to MDB08K right out of the box. I believe I read on Reddit that someone dropped band 12 support after taking the update.
I tested this alongside my Galaxy S6, and that gets great band 12 reception. I might have Google send me a new device and refuse the update.
Wouldn't it be easier to flash factory image for that version to test?
easyc said:
FWIW, I'm currently on the phone with Google Tech Support. I don't get band 12 on either a T-Mo sim or Fi sim on my 6P. I, too, updated to MDB08K right out of the box. I believe I read on Reddit that someone dropped band 12 support after taking the update.
I tested this alongside my Galaxy S6, and that gets great band 12 reception. I might have Google send me a new device and refuse the update.
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Since Sprint is also a CDMA network, would a Sprint S7 Edge work on Verizon? Thanks!
Possibly, but not likely. Verizon has to white list the phones used on its network, and won't generally approve a non-verizon phone (except sometimes, iPhones, Nexus phones, some Motorola phones).
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IF the Sprint Version has Band 13 by default and is approved to use it then Verizon has to accept it and validate the device required by FCC regulations (Block C). If they say due to security reasons or what not they have to prove it not you.
Tidbits said:
IF the Sprint Version has Band 13 by default and is approved to use it then Verizon has to accept it and validate the device required by FCC regulations (Block C). If they say due to security reasons or what not they have to prove it not you.
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Verizon can not lock their phones that use band 13, there is no requirement for them to accept other phones. This has been their policy for a very long time, unless you have evidence for the contrary I'll not believe they've changed their policy.
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Verizon can not lock their phones that use band 13, there is no requirement for them to accept other phones. This has been their policy for a very long time, unless you have evidence for the contrary I'll not believe they've changed their policy.
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We are talking the sprint version working on Verizon. There is a requirement for them to accept phones that support band 13. They have to meet certain requirements to allow them. The reason why the iphone 6 and higher, Nexus 6 and higher and the Motorola X 2015 can connect. The policy has always been the same since block c. Only now manufacturers have been taking advantage of it. Verizon even has to give how to connect to VoLTE and such to manufacturers to connect to their network.
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We are talking the sprint version working on Verizon. There is a requirement for them to accept phones that support band 13. They have to meet certain requirements to allow them. The reason why the iphone 6 and higher, Nexus 6 and higher and the Motorola X 2015 can connect. The policy has always been the same since block c. Only now manufacturers have been taking advantage of it. Verizon even has to give how to connect to VoLTE and such to manufacturers to connect to their network.
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Try a Sprint S7 IMEI here, see how well it works.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/bring-your-own-device/
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You are not listening. Does the Sprint version support band 13? No then it won't work automatically. If it did then it has to fit a few other criteria and then it can work on Verizon. Those unlocked and unbranded I listed are just examples. They don't even have Verizon bloat. Any manufacturer can take advantage of it, but right now very few do
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You are not listening. Does the Sprint version support band 13? No then it won't work automatically. If it did then it has to fit a few other criteria and then it can work on Verizon. Those unlocked and unbranded I listed are just examples. They don't even have Verizon bloat. Any manufacturer can take advantage of it, but right now very few do
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Cool. The hardware supports it, just not the firmware.
What is the limiting factor? Where is the documents that back up your claims?
You know what though, I don't care. I'm done with this. Have a wonderful day.
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Cool. The hardware supports it, just not the firmware.
What is the limiting factor? Where is the documents that back up your claims?
You know what though, I don't care. I'm done with this. Have a wonderful day.
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Sprint disabling it, and it isn't licensed for that specific device by the FCC. It's similar to the Nexus 4 with LTE in which Google removed support. Due to that Sprint version is deems band 13 doesn't exist, and therefore Verizon doesn't have to comply with block C rules.
Samsung could have made their one device model like Apple and it would have been it, and Verizon had to let them all go but making submodels is what killed it.
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Yes it works SM-G930V via Odin works fine on the Sprint variant but no guarantee Verizon doesn't kick you off their network since the imei is a "non approved" phone. Typing from a Sprint burned to Verizon right now but only been active 4 hrs or so...
I'm curious on how to do this.... I have a Galaxy S7 sprint, that I'd like to work for Verizon. Any how to out there?>
Was given the s7 tonite for a temp replacement for my broken note 8 The s7 is a verizon phone my coverage is sprint. I've read all the bs concerning how the services are incompatible and frankly I don't care or buy it. So far I've gotten access to mobile 3G data (can load webpages & access play store) but still no cell service. Not sure which it was that caused access to be available for data, but I set up APN for sprint and switched the network to GSM and manually selected sprint. (Wouldn't connect) but i think something in that process bypassed something to give me data access...which in my mind says cell service can be achieved as well. Any insight or ideas shoot em please.
How did you get the sprint variant to work on the verizon network?
Yeah, I know it's been asked before but I don't feel confident enough to pull the trigger on it to test. I am on Verizon, I have a SIM card I could use in it that's already activated ( currently in a iPhone 6 Plus ) I see it does support CDMA and LTE bands, So does it really work fully with no drawbacks?
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Verizon/Mi Note 2 GLOBAL EDITION
2G: cdmaOne (IS-95)
3G: CDMA2000 (IMT‑MC), 1xEV-DO
4G: Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (AWS), Band 13 (700MHz)
Verizon also offers LTE on
If you presently have any friends or family living/near where you would use the phone day-to-day with an Android phone on Verizon, I think this works best if you've rooted it, download the LTE Discovery app from the Play Store and use it to determine which 4G bands you are encountering primarily "in the wild" during your day. According to Wikipedia, Verizon only offers LTE on Bands 2, 4, and 13 in the US. So in theory the Mi Note 2 GLOBAL EDITION supports all of VZW's bands.
juchmis said:
Verizon/Mi Note 2 GLOBAL EDITION
2G: cdmaOne (IS-95)
3G: CDMA2000 (IMT‑MC), 1xEV-DO
4G: Band 2 (1900MHz), Band 4 (AWS), Band 13 (700MHz)
Verizon also offers LTE on
If you presently have any friends or family living/near where you would use the phone day-to-day with an Android phone on Verizon, I think this works best if you've rooted it, download the LTE Discovery app from the Play Store and use it to determine which 4G bands you are encountering primarily "in the wild" during your day. According to Wikipedia, Verizon only offers LTE on Bands 2, 4, and 13 in the US. So in theory the Mi Note 2 GLOBAL EDITION supports all of VZW's bands.
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Currently I have a iPhone 6 plus and established I use band 4 at my home and work, Global version supports all LTE bands I read. So yeah it should work right? Just pop my current sim in. I talked to another guy on this forum who posted a screen shot of it working on a pre paid Verizon sim and he said it's worked fine. There's just so little info on this phone working on Verizon and it make me nervous.
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Currently I have a iPhone 6 plus and established I use band 4 at my home and work, Global version supports all LTE bands I read. So yeah it should work right? Just pop my current sim in. I talked to another guy on this forum who posted a screen shot of it working on a pre paid Verizon sim and he said it's worked fine. There's just so little info on this phone working on Verizon and it make me nervous.
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There are no reasons why it would not work. It supports all 4G LTE bands which Verizon uses, which means it should get the fastest 4G signal anywhere that Verizon's spectrum reaches. That represents the best case, as in phones sold by Verizon for use on their network can only be at most on par with it for 4G support.
It also appears to support all 3G protocols and voice protocols which Verizon uses.
Hard to say whether it will work immediately upon having your present SIM inserted. You may be required to make some kind of contact with Verizon to establish a change of handset, which may be as simple as having the phone's unique IMEI read to them over the phone (or even dialed in after phoning an automated system).
There's no need for any contact with Verizon. Just put the active SIM in and it works fine. I have my Mi Note 2 Global working just fine on Verizon including VoLTE. This required no contact with Verizon nor any inputs in the device info pages on my Verizon account online. In fact I would probably *not* provide an IMEI to Verizon as they will almost surely not allow activation with the Mi's IMEI...though I don't think they'd block it or anything.
I'm the "guy" the OP is referring to above...I've confirmed that all LTE bands including 2, 4, and 13...and CDMA 1X calls and EvDO data all work fine on this phone...not sure if it's CDMA BC0 or 1 in my area (I think it's 0) but both should work. VoLTE is also confirmed working perfectly right out of the box.
To the OP - what additional information are you looking for to determine whether or not this phone is right for you? I'm happy to help but I'm not understanding what else you might need to know as pretty much everything has been revealed vis-a-vis Verizon and the Mi Note 2 Global and it definitely works fine...if you're nervous about it I probably would suggest a different handset unless you really need the dual SIM functionality with Verizon...in which case it's either this phone or the ZTE Axon 7 that you'll be limited to...the Axon 7 is a better phone all in all IMO but is more finicky software-wise in my experience and takes a little more user tweaking to get Verizon to work as well as it should (some people have really struggled with the Axon 7 on Verizon but I had smooth sailing except that I had to use a GSM SIM for initial setup and also after OTAs to sort of "clear" the radio out). The Xiaomi Mi Note 2, on the other hand, has much better connectivity and has given me zero problems on Verizon...I'm actually really impressed with it in this respect.
But at the same time I find the screen on the Xiaomi Mi Note 2 to be grossly inferior to that of the ZTE...the speakers too. And MIUI is kind of meh but I know some people love it...but I guess that's kinda off topic!
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There's no need for any contact with Verizon. Just put the active SIM in and it works fine. I have my Mi Note 2 Global working just fine on Verizon including VoLTE. This required no contact with Verizon nor any inputs in the device info pages on my Verizon account online. In fact I would probably *not* provide an IMEI to Verizon as they will almost surely not allow activation with the Mi's IMEI...though I don't think they'd block it or anything.
I'm the "guy" the OP is referring to above...I've confirmed that all LTE bands including 2, 4, and 13...and CDMA 1X calls and EvDO data all work fine on this phone...not sure if it's CDMA BC0 or 1 in my area (I think it's 0) but both should work. VoLTE is also confirmed working perfectly right out of the box.
To the OP - what additional information are you looking for to determine whether or not this phone is right for you? I'm happy to help but I'm not understanding what else you might need to know as pretty much everything has been revealed vis-a-vis Verizon and the Mi Note 2 Global and it definitely works fine...if you're nervous about it I probably would suggest a different handset unless you really need the dual SIM functionality with Verizon...in which case it's either this phone or the ZTE Axon 7 that you'll be limited to...the Axon 7 is a better phone all in all IMO but is more finicky software-wise in my experience and takes a little more user tweaking to get Verizon to work as well as it should (some people have really struggled with the Axon 7 on Verizon but I had smooth sailing except that I had to use a GSM SIM for initial setup and also after OTAs to sort of "clear" the radio out). The Xiaomi Mi Note 2, on the other hand, has much better connectivity and has given me zero problems on Verizon...I'm actually really impressed with it in this respect.
But at the same time I find the screen on the Xiaomi Mi Note 2 to be grossly inferior to that of the ZTE...the speakers too. And MIUI is kind of meh but I know some people love it...but I guess that's kinda off topic!
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Lol you have been most helpful, I made this thread before I contacted you is all I will be ordering the note 2 soon. But if I have any questions after and if I do run into problems I'd PM ya. Thanks again, man.
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There's no need for any contact with Verizon. Just put the active SIM in and it works fine. I have my Mi Note 2 Global working just fine on Verizon including VoLTE. This required no contact with Verizon nor any inputs in the device info pages on my Verizon account online. In fact I would probably *not* provide an IMEI to Verizon as they will almost surely not allow activation with the Mi's IMEI...though I don't think they'd block it or anything.
I'm the "guy" the OP is referring to above...I've confirmed that all LTE bands including 2, 4, and 13...and CDMA 1X calls and EvDO data all work fine on this phone...not sure if it's CDMA BC0 or 1 in my area (I think it's 0) but both should work. VoLTE is also confirmed working perfectly right out of the box.
To the OP - what additional information are you looking for to determine whether or not this phone is right for you? I'm happy to help but I'm not understanding what else you might need to know as pretty much everything has been revealed vis-a-vis Verizon and the Mi Note 2 Global and it definitely works fine...if you're nervous about it I probably would suggest a different handset unless you really need the dual SIM functionality with Verizon...in which case it's either this phone or the ZTE Axon 7 that you'll be limited to...the Axon 7 is a better phone all in all IMO but is more finicky software-wise in my experience and takes a little more user tweaking to get Verizon to work as well as it should (some people have really struggled with the Axon 7 on Verizon but I had smooth sailing except that I had to use a GSM SIM for initial setup and also after OTAs to sort of "clear" the radio out). The Xiaomi Mi Note 2, on the other hand, has much better connectivity and has given me zero problems on Verizon...I'm actually really impressed with it in this respect.
But at the same time I find the screen on the Xiaomi Mi Note 2 to be grossly inferior to that of the ZTE...the speakers too. And MIUI is kind of meh but I know some people love it...but I guess that's kinda off topic!
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I do wanna ask you something though, What's the point of using two SIMs? also whats vis a vis?
AtsuiPanda said:
I do wanna ask you something though, What's the point of using two SIMs? also whats vis a vis?
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In my case it's to improve data coverage but for most people it's because they travel internationally and need a second operator in the other country or they do it so they can have a work-related phone number and personal number in the same device.
"Vis-a-vis" just means "in relation to" for all practical purposes.