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so i spent a long time trying to decide whether to go with an android phone or hd2
i searched high and wide all over the internet. the only android phone for gsm with a comparable screen is the samsung i9000 which looks like it would come out at about 700 bucks. either that or you take the nexus one/desire which is also in that same ballpark. after all that i went ahead and got the hd2, and i am glad i did. any hardware comparable phone to the hd2 (which there currently isnt because with 1gb rom and 576 mb of ram, beats any other phone)(US version)
After a close look at everything and playing with a friends droid incredible while comparing it to my hd2, the only big advantages i could see to get an android phone would either be the open market place, google maps, speech to text.
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ok so you decide, hey let me dictate this msg. HERE IS AN IDEA, WHY NOT CALL THEM. (you might even get a chance to dictate it to someone listening).
the only place i can find real use for speech to text is while driving, and in that case, you technically shouldnt be using your phone PERIOD at that time.
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people keep griping (pronounce gryping) about googlemaps, but as great as googlemaps is, what happens when you lose your bars or do not have a data plan? *gulp* you are screwed. do yourself a favor and get a non-internet reliant gps software (like actual gps devices use), and i also feel that bing does a good job of matching googlemaps.
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THE MARKET PLACE. I do wish we had a market place, a nice central location where you can find everything you need. But i can tell you this, there are only so many apps you need until you get to the point where you are just trying to justify spending $X on a phone. A friend of mine while justifying how great his mytouch (android) phone is shows me all these apps he has. one app is a barcode scanner, and one app is google goggles. with goggles, the use of the barcode scanner is lost on me. (i think HD2 can also do that though). why go through all the trouble of opening your camera, looking for the barcode sending the item over the internet and all that when you could either just search for the barcode numbers (which funny enough is usually under the barcode) or searching for the items.
granted there are some nice apps like the statefarm pocket agent app out there, and most reputable companies(like banks etc) prefer to release apps for the iphone/android (my bank allows nexus one and iphone users take pics of check and automatically deposits the money into your account) but lets face it, most apps that people will need on a daily basis are also on winmo. An app that is used once or twice a month, while nice to have doesnt seem like that much of a big deal. Its kinda like getting a standby physician. Plus after a quick skim through the top apps on the marketplace, you find that 9/10 of all these apps are games (go figure), and even though they might be nice for your when you have to wait in a line or something, wouldnt a much larger screen be nicer to watch part of your fave tv show instead?
the hd2 has quite a few flaws, but the they are being fixed. Even though app development for windows 6.5 might go down when winmo7 comes out. I still like the HD2. I do not even think i would be switching to winmo7 since if i wanted an iphone, i would go get an iphone, i am not on facebook, twitter or any other social networking site.
only real reason i switched from my att tilt (the first one) was because the screen was so small and it had started to fall apart.
winmo by default sucks ass, but has limitless potential, where else would you find sms spammers, or american idol spammers (lol)
I'm not knocking android either, it has its perks and it would be nice to see what android is like on the hd2, but it makes little sense getting a winmo phone when you already knew you wanted an android phone, and then cluttering the boards asking for android. my winmo phone does everything i need it to do, so i am happy with it, i see my stocks, have my navigation from igo, have my alarm clock, IM, and calendar. ITS JUST LIKE BUYING A LAMBORGHINI AND COMPLAINING IT IS NOT A FERRARI.
only real sore point i can see no way around is flash coming to android. would have been nice to have flash but i guess i just have to take what i get.
Guys wasnt the main reason we fell in love with winmo because of the limitless possibilities?
Could not agree more, and don't forget the selection of UI's available and
the ability to configure your phone as you like it to be. Less than a month ago,
after researching Android and with the option to upgrade to the HTC Incredible
on Verizon vs the T-Mobile HD2, choose the HD2 with no regrets.
I agree too
I am really tired of all the people going i ditch my android phone or iphone for this and blah blah blah it windows mobile people what dont you get you can actual do something with this phone i love windows mobile after the years i know i know how could of like windows mobile with this will sense UI did the work to make the HD2 the best phone i had so far. I had a iphone it was okay I spent so much time fixing it to how i like it and boy it was not that easy at times lol but after a while I got the hang and did it but the apps please I stop using it for a while i would play with it for like a week and then i go boring android another story i never had one but i played with it and i was like wtf is with this crap please i don't want a phone that is set to make it easy to use because i was use to setting things to too and i know if i had an android the first thing i would do is flash it just to get to flash it lol but let get to the point if you want a android then get a android stop complaining about the windows mobile. If you want a iphone then go for it but sop you complaining about windows mobile too lol. I love my HD2 because there is a lot of nice roms and many possibility. And I forgot to mention the huge screen lol
The hard thing is trying to make sense of why a winmo phone is not more like iPhone or Android.
Do I buy Microsoft's arguement that they write the OS, but do not control the hardware that a Mobile Operator and a device manufacturer (OEM) put it on, or do I believe that someone is chasing their own tail?
I have the Nexus One, the Cliq and the MyTouch 3g. All are nice phones that I was perfectly happy with. I also owned an earlier version of the iPhone...and yes...my opinions then...and now...it was awesome...even with any faults. Yet, when presented with the HD2, my Nexus One now sits dusty and on my table.
'Good Hardware' is the key here. WinMo on the PURE...sucks. it lasted 48 hrs in my house. The Hardware package around the HD2 makes WinMo work...better. XDA makes WinMo better. So what if they take parts from here...and there....and produce great stuff....shouldn't that be ok.
I think some body in Redmond is watching. Windows Phone 7 has the potential to be GREAT...and I want one. A winmo OS with Zune...and Zune marketplace...on a 1300+ ghz hardware device....makes my toes curl. I saw a couple of models on PDADB.net the other day. I think that Microsoft, controlling more of the hardware...is the right idea. people do NOT realize how much Microsoft Windows Mobile suffers from Mobile Operator spec and boreware ...until they get to XDA and REMOVE that stuff. Right now I have the EnergyRom on my HD2....If I show it to ANYONE....they are surprised but interested. This is the same for any other ROM I may run. EXCEPT...the stock TMO rom...WP7 is supposed to remove that option....
BUT.....but....a winmo based Marketplace...hmmmm....it would be nice. Don't ya think the Apple ads...."We got an app for that"....are cool? With my androids, I could find anything I wanted,....at that moment...for my Nexus One....at the airport....is the flight on time????? Marketplace...tap tap touch...no...flight is delayed by 20 minutes. Try doing that on Windows Marketplace....you can't. Where's the nearest seafood restaurant....on Android...tap tap touch...get directions.....try doing that on Windows Marketplace...you can't. Or, my favorite....touch button..speak...Starbucks near here...get directions. It's not how many apps you can have....its about getting the apps you may want...when you want them....
But Android (or apple) marketplace did not keep me from the HD2. 5 minutes after holding the phone...I knew I made the right choice...XDA proved that anything can be done with the phone. Now, my buddy with the iPhone....says ....Wow...I can't do that with my iPhone. I just tell him...maybe there's a app for that...
After all....Windows 7...was my idea....maybe they'll listen to me about Windows Phone 7 too....
+1 on all of you.
Explain that to most people is really hard. WinMo is Vast, limitless but at the same time also complicated. I can live with that, the OS is so Fun to tweak and tinker. My earlier desicion was HD2 or Milestone thanks god i choose HD2 otherwise i only had free apps to have fun with and then get bores while with HD2 you have tons of Custom ROM just for start.
I think WM7 is too limited and controlled in comparison to WM 6.x and try to be more like "the other -read Android/IPhone" Not sure if i will upgrade but only time will tell.
I dont want to talk about Iphone, it is just boring.
I dont regret buying the Hd2. Windows mobile is nice for customization.
I just get tired of the layer skinning. My biggest problem with windows mobile is how different the text messaging looks when you get away from the sense ui
I had a g1 and the screen is just to small for me. Love android but hate small screens
well most people want to get these phones and they want it to do everything there is in the world to do. well i say that ITS JUST A PHONE!!!!!!!! sure i have a htc hd2 don't get me wrong its amazing on what it does and what it can do but remember this that its a phone. people want phones to do everything like gps, bank stuff, music, youtube, facebook, and other stuff. I don't really care on what the phone can or can't do, its a phone and its screen is amazing for seeing vids and besides i want a phone for my entertainment, text, calls, and well since it has internet of course use it. Either way The htc hd2 is a multitasker if you ask me and it is one of the most impressive phones out there and thats why i LOVE it.
try me.. its the next best device regardless if its wm 6.5
very solid points addressed! I use Garmin mobile XT, with 2011 maps 3D moving maps that were released in late April. the maps and program take 2 gigs on my 16 gb sd card. It rarely uses data other than to locate gas prices and weather. POI and everything else is stored to the phone. It has the speech step by step direction. I find it to be annoying, and set it to silence. The radio is really powerful, the satellite are found in seconds... unlike my Tp2 that takes around 10 minutes locate.
cookie Ht has a huge advantage on Sense... why even give windows credit other than better, stable drivers and 6.5 start menu vs 6.0 list..... Sense 2.5 covers to whole interface of the hd2 and paints a beautiful device. i have greatly enhanced my skins on sence, keyboard and dialer.
people complain cuz its not intuitive first time out of the box like the iphone that has beautiful eyecandy UI and they feel good knowing a child could use it. nor do they want to spend a cent more for programs to do actually what they want. its a shame. i really dont think the camera should matter, since their not meant for profession use. just a quick snap shot of a memory, all these camera phones in the dark are terrible. im happy for once, these are equipped with a 3.5 jack for music. i could ask for more. but we know that some people cant to be pleased nor willing to make it better by talking to the community to give us what would be it better.... their lose... our treasure... worth more than in the weight of gold. hehe
ok i''ve owned the g1 and them mytouch 3g. ive rooted these phones n played with them to their extreme . now i own the hd2. trust me the Android operating system is very very good also windows os, but there is two things that will make the windows os outstanding over any os ...1 i think that wm have the most apps than any other os in Apple n what they should do is have a complete make over of the wm market n have every app there is n categorize them according to what os version you have....2 finishing touch to this is creating a new os system which its UI is modern n very attractive because to be honest it feels like im running windows 5 on laptop built in 2010...im not fund of Wphone 7 becauseuUI to me isnt that customizable but one thing i do love about it is the gaming. if this is implemented onnn the hd2 you will have close to perfect mobile os ever
I still have a lot to learn about operating my hd2 – but coming from a Palm (680 and Centro) I really am happy with this phone. I wanted to stop carrying around my media player (Archos 604), my thumb-drive, a small fm radio and wanted to have a gps, real internet access , and a phone that I could listen to books on through my Bluetooth while in boring meetings. I feel I have it all in the hd2.
I picked up one of the many iphone books the other day and went through it to see what I would use on the ipone and couldn’t find any, that I would want to do, that I don’t have on the HD2. I’m not knocking the ipone, everyone I know who has one loves it – I’m just not that into texting, games, fart apps, facebbok, twitter ,or any other social media.
It is aggravating though, to walk into Best Buy and see 50 docking stations, 100 cases/covers, etc. and nothing for the HD2.
if you really wanna see how android is gonna fare on the hd2, just check out your local sprint store and check out the htc sprint evo 4g.
that being said, i own both an hd2 and two android handsets that are rooted.
what i like most about win 6.5 is the ability to customize it as much as i can a rooted android phone i.e. overclock the cpu (i just found an app for it), custom theme, save apps to sd card, play flash videos etc etc.
however, i do feel that it is a bit outdated and is more complicated to use. takes a bit of a learning curve v. android os, which is more simple to use. i see tons of potential for windows mobile 6.5 but it's a damn shame that microsoft is moving on to a more closed platform with windows mobile 7.
long term, i will probably head back to android in that regard due to updates and that it just keeps getting better and better (upcoming froyo update and then the gingerbread update which will allow for the saving of apps to sd card, etc)
engineer14 said:
so i spent a long time trying to decide whether to go with an android phone or hd2
i searched high and wide all over the internet. the only android phone for gsm with a comparable screen is the samsung i9000 which looks like it would come out at about 700 bucks. either that or you take the nexus one/desire which is also in that same ballpark. after all that i went ahead and got the hd2, and i am glad i did. any hardware comparable phone to the hd2 (which there currently isnt because with 1gb rom and 576 mb of ram, beats any other phone)(US version)
After a close look at everything and playing with a friends droid incredible while comparing it to my hd2, the only big advantages i could see to get an android phone would either be the open market place, google maps, speech to text.
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ok so you decide, hey let me dictate this msg. HERE IS AN IDEA, WHY NOT CALL THEM. (you might even get a chance to dictate it to someone listening).
the only place i can find real use for speech to text is while driving, and in that case, you technically shouldnt be using your phone PERIOD at that time.
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people keep griping (pronounce gryping) about googlemaps, but as great as googlemaps is, what happens when you lose your bars or do not have a data plan? *gulp* you are screwed. do yourself a favor and get a non-internet reliant gps software (like actual gps devices use), and i also feel that bing does a good job of matching googlemaps.
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THE MARKET PLACE. I do wish we had a market place, a nice central location where you can find everything you need. But i can tell you this, there are only so many apps you need until you get to the point where you are just trying to justify spending $X on a phone. A friend of mine while justifying how great his mytouch (android) phone is shows me all these apps he has. one app is a barcode scanner, and one app is google goggles. with goggles, the use of the barcode scanner is lost on me. (i think HD2 can also do that though). why go through all the trouble of opening your camera, looking for the barcode sending the item over the internet and all that when you could either just search for the barcode numbers (which funny enough is usually under the barcode) or searching for the items.
granted there are some nice apps like the statefarm pocket agent app out there, and most reputable companies(like banks etc) prefer to release apps for the iphone/android (my bank allows nexus one and iphone users take pics of check and automatically deposits the money into your account) but lets face it, most apps that people will need on a daily basis are also on winmo. An app that is used once or twice a month, while nice to have doesnt seem like that much of a big deal. Its kinda like getting a standby physician. Plus after a quick skim through the top apps on the marketplace, you find that 9/10 of all these apps are games (go figure), and even though they might be nice for your when you have to wait in a line or something, wouldnt a much larger screen be nicer to watch part of your fave tv show instead?
the hd2 has quite a few flaws, but the they are being fixed. Even though app development for windows 6.5 might go down when winmo7 comes out. I still like the HD2. I do not even think i would be switching to winmo7 since if i wanted an iphone, i would go get an iphone, i am not on facebook, twitter or any other social networking site.
only real reason i switched from my att tilt (the first one) was because the screen was so small and it had started to fall apart.
winmo by default sucks ass, but has limitless potential, where else would you find sms spammers, or american idol spammers (lol)
I'm not knocking android either, it has its perks and it would be nice to see what android is like on the hd2, but it makes little sense getting a winmo phone when you already knew you wanted an android phone, and then cluttering the boards asking for android. my winmo phone does everything i need it to do, so i am happy with it, i see my stocks, have my navigation from igo, have my alarm clock, IM, and calendar. ITS JUST LIKE BUYING A LAMBORGHINI AND COMPLAINING IT IS NOT A FERRARI.
only real sore point i can see no way around is flash coming to android. would have been nice to have flash but i guess i just have to take what i get.
Guys wasnt the main reason we fell in love with winmo because of the limitless possibilities?
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Each to its own. Now we have HD2, iPod Touch, iPhone 3GS, and iPad. We also got an Android phone in the family. Instead of pitching them against one another, we make them complement and work together. For example, we have the only mobile data plan we need on my iPhone - beside all the goodies it can offer, we use it as a wifi router for all our mobile devices.
The main reasons I bought HD2 were its beautiful/huge screen, and the xda-developers forum. I don't intend to upgrade to WM7 even if it was available.
The same kind of people that complain about WinMo and think their iphone is so much better are the kind of closed minded people that cant think for themselves, try something new, and actually embrace and learn it.
The iphone/ipad are created for one thing mass consumer media consumption, and apple getting a cut of every itunes/app store purchase, with the iphone having a phone built in. It's definitely a very smart business for apple, but not one that I want to be part of, since im quite capable of figuring out how to get apps, and media on my WinMo device without the need of itunes or an app store
Im sure like many others here happy with their WinMo Phones, you have probably been using WinMo phones for a long time already, and some like myself have been using WinMo before it was ever on phones and just a PDA. I still have my 1st WinMo PDA, a toshiba e750, amazing for how old it is, the processor in it is almost as fast as most of last years WinMo phones. I used to BT tether the PDA to my cell phone to be able to do email and web browsing, then finally got a T-Mobile MDA shortly after it came out to merge the 2 devices into one, though at a performance hit, because of the lower processor speed.
These phones are quite literally like having a desktop PC in your pocket, with android also being similar experience from what i've read, though i've not actually owned an android device to play with
I've been fascinated by "palmtop" portable computing for quite awhile, with my 1st such device being an HP 200LX palmtop running DOS 5. I still have that palmtop sitting on my desk and it works still too! I always wanted to get one of the palmtop format windows mobile devices (windows ce), but couldn't justify the expense at the time having just graduated from HS and in college. I also remember the laptop format WinMo devices.
I also find it fascinating to find windows mobile/ce in devices that people would have never expected it in, nor complain about because they cant see the underlying OS. an example is the car stereo I have, a Roadmaster VR3 VRVD640G. There are hacks for it that somewhat let you get into the underlying OS.
I recently recieved my Hd2 and I love it. It is my first WinMo powered device. I owned a G1 (Dream) and while I really liked it and Android, I think that WinMo 6.5 is a much more customizeable and powerful OS. The level of complexity is alot higher, however. That is what I think turns people off of WinMo. I am enjoying the undertaking of learning this new (to me) OS.
Edit: I do think that in time, as it matures and with devices such as the N1 and the Desire, Android will be a quite powerful OS.
you know im so happy to see that their are others out there that see past winmo on the HD2 and are taking more consideration for the hardware specs...ive had the gsm htc hero,the nexus one,desire,Nokia n900 etc. and honestly, i was completely let down by all of those devices,but,thats just been my experience with them. even though the winmo isnt as snappy as android or the iphone..its still is kick ass phone...not downplay winmos but they are working on the kernals for linux and WM7 and considering most devices,we have one the better devices to date and iam very content with wm6.5 and 6.5.5
Well symbian and windows mobile had been the most hated OS in the US and maybe windows mobile been hated all over the world. I think its a nice OS but I think windows slept on the development, I think it became so critical how much they slept on the OS that alot of people here knows the in and out of the OS with out been hired or took any training about the OS which to me that amazing and probably never seen in any other OS in the world. not to mention HTC took sense and did their part as well but you never see windows team developing anything. I almost didnt buy the HD2 for the simple fact microsoft decided to develop KIN and windows 7 series instead of giving us a better support.
HEY I DISAGREE......... but i must say thank you for the info u gave me more info then any carrier could give the hd2 is a bigger & faster device but the differences u pulled the hd2 also hav hd2 has googlemaps it also has text to speech wat people people fail to see and realize is that the andoid market allows u to demo the product winmo doesnt which is suck and thats why u hav guys like me that searches the web for the product for free its out here it just cost but most of the apps that the andoid market hav winmo also has its just a matter of searching for it. my job on here is test multiple software to see if it can run and work together without issuse and or bugs and to run on the hd2 without error its crazy i go to a site find software and its free then find it at another site that charges for it .... now i dont think i can list the sites because of forum rules and regs but there out there waitin on u but u hav googlemaps with buzz also microsoft myphone and microsoft voice command
ryan562 said:
if you really wanna see how android is gonna fare on the hd2, just check out your local sprint store and check out the htc sprint evo 4g.
that being said, i own both an hd2 and two android handsets that are rooted.
what i like most about win 6.5 is the ability to customize it as much as i can a rooted android phone i.e. overclock the cpu (i just found an app for it), custom theme, save apps to sd card, play flash videos etc etc.
however, i do feel that it is a bit outdated and is more complicated to use. takes a bit of a learning curve v. android os, which is more simple to use. i see tons of potential for windows mobile 6.5 but it's a damn shame that microsoft is moving on to a more closed platform with windows mobile 7.
long term, i will probably head back to android in that regard due to updates and that it just keeps getting better and better (upcoming froyo update and then the gingerbread update which will allow for the saving of apps to sd card, etc)
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wait it out and u will be able to run both the drod and winmo on the hd2 without problems
ryan562 said:
however, i do feel that it is a bit outdated and is more complicated to use. takes a bit of a learning curve v. android os, which is more simple to use. i see tons of potential for windows mobile 6.5 but it's a damn shame that microsoft is moving on to a more closed platform with windows mobile 7.
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I personally wonder if WinMo is as dead, atleast from a MS prospective as people are saying. Yes WinMo is used in many consumer phones which is what I see WinPhone7 replacing, but WinMo is used in MANY other places still.
Like my example of my car stereo in the post lastnight.
Symbol uses it in the "LRT" devices that many stores use for stock tracking. You see target employees carrying them all the time. hell APPLE stores used them with WinMo until they managed to hack a card reader onto their iphone.
The Symbol price check scanners you find at many retail stores are WinMo based. I've seen them crashed at walmart with the floating WinMo keyboard on top of their price check app.
I've seen symbol Pin entry/signature capture/card swipe terminals at stores like JC penny and the now defunct circuit city that i highly suspected to be running windows mobile due to the sound tones played while using the touch screen, they were the default for WinMo.
I highly suspect that Symbol is a huge WinMo customer of MS.
I've also recently been to the Seminole hard rock casino here in Tampa and noticed on some slot machines that the little screens just shows small ads had WinMo intenet explorer windows that had apparently got stuck while loading the next ad and you saw the default IE could not load page screen. I have no idea if the entire slot machine is WinMo based or just certain functions like that screen.
Yes i understand from a consumer prospective its pretty much dead because there will be no more releases for phones and app development is likely to die off as time goes on.
Also in alot of these cases it is more technically Windows CE, which windows mobile is a subset of, but its quite literally all the same code base, just a matter of what modules the OEM loads in their distribution
God knows how many other places it's running, you never know till you see one crashed or notice a few telltale signs. Some ATMs used to be Win98 based. Yes I quite literally saw an old style Win98 BSOD on one of my credit unions's ATM's years back. it was a Diebold machine. Would not surprise me if alot of them are WinMo or embedded XP now.
I know I know - everyone will jump on this one and prove me wrong but I know myself it is veeeery unlikely to happen.
What do you think if someone comes up with let's call it emulator that can run Apple iPhone apps on Android OS and Windows Mobile OS as well??? Can you imagine that happening and what would be cluster that Apple is caught in to overcome that issue lol...
I guess, but I dont need any fruity apps to tell me how to lose weight and what clothes to wear.
Either that or fart apps. Pretty slim pickings, if you ask me.
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I guess, but I dont need any fruity apps to tell me how to lose weight and what clothes to wear.
Either that or fart apps. Pretty slim pickings, if you ask me.
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Oh come now. How can one be expected to remember where one parked one's hairdressers car or make a decision about what type of sushi one wants to eat when one is soooo busy touching oneself inappropriately to one's own soft reflection in the screen of one's hypePad?
You have to hold it in a special way you know...much like the new iPhone
There will be huge copyright issues, I don't think apple will let that one happen.
There is something that will allow you to run any iphone app absolutely flawlessly................
The iPhone.........
.........as long as your not left handed.................like me........................
anyone want in on a class action lawsuit against apple because they're obviously trying to eradicate left handers from the human gene pool..............blah blah...............dribble dribble..............blah blah..............is android on the hd2 yet??.............blah blah blah..............NO UPGRADE TO WP7..............
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!..............
So to answer your question........... Yes i would personally like to see that happen.
I wouldnt use it, Id just like to see the reaction from apple....
I wonder how long it would take before the developer was found hanging under a bridge with an apple shoved in their mouth...........
RedScorpion78 said:
There will be huge copyright issues, I don't think apple will let that one happen.
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There are copyright issues with the ROMs we use on this website, none of the ROMs are owned by the people who make them, they are all the property of Microsoft, and Windows Phone 7's locked OS is evidence they aren't too happy with people modding their software.
If someone theoreticaly could port the iPhone OS 4.0, there is little Apple could do about it.
I mean..c'mon...is it really that important?
Or does everyone want Flash support soley because you can't have Flash on an iPad?
(aka the Neener Neener Neener Factor?) ("N3F" for short)
Like it or not, there are more iPads in the hands of consumers than there are any other type of tablet device.
An article from January 19 says that Apple sold nearly 15 million iPads in 2010.
That is 15 million mostly non-geeky people
(people who you would think NEED Flash more than your average geek on XDA).
Yet they are all okay with not having Flash.
Before having Flash, I would rather have a streaming NetFlix app, a good DLNA/uPnP app and since I'm on a mini-rant, I would like a really good video player.
The best I've tried so far is Act1...but it's still lacking in a few areas.
It's more a principle thing. First, you buy the device that is supposed to be flash enabled. It was not so waiting #1. Second, Adobe apparently announced the release of flash for today. So far, nothing again; waiting #2. If I buy a banana split with cream then I want my cream whether it's necessary or not
And c'mon, do you really really really have to drag the iPad vs. Xoom discussion in here again? I couldn't care less if other devices support flash or not. That doesn't make me feel better or worse. I only care about the Xoom.
My primary purpose for the tablet is email and web. I have been running the leaked flash since it came out. You get a smoother web experience with flash, in my opinion and use, because it seems to be everywhere. I don't want to have to open other apps or click other links for popups to get what should be there any way. I don't really follow the "I don't get all the flash adds" with my iPad. If it is an issue just turn the extension to "on demand". I like sitting down reading a web page and seeing the video link and then just clicking it to watch it. I don't like adding steps to a device I want to remove steps.
Is flash the ultimate solution? Doesn't appear to be, however until it is phased out to sites I visit daily then I need a tablet that can use it. I really tried to take back the Xoom and get an iPad 2, but it just won't do everything I want.
Flash is not a big deal to everyone, as not everyone buys a tablet for the same reason.
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I mean..c'mon...is it really that important?
Or does everyone want Flash support soley because you can't have Flash on an iPad?
(aka the Neener Neener Neener Factor?) ("N3F" for short)
Like it or not, there are more iPads in the hands of consumers than there are any other type of tablet device.
An article from January 19 says that Apple sold nearly 15 million iPads in 2010.
That is 15 million mostly non-geeky people
(people who you would think NEED Flash more than your average geek on XDA).
Yet they are all okay with not having Flash.
Before having Flash, I would rather have a streaming NetFlix app, a good DLNA/uPnP app and since I'm on a mini-rant, I would like a really good video player.
The best I've tried so far is Act1...but it's still lacking in a few areas.
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I agree totally, I mean I like knowing I have flash handy, but I don't wake up in the morning mourning the absence of flash, its more like " hey dude u wanna see the ultimate facepalm? Check it out" apart from those vids, I can't really say flash is a major part of the tablet experience... that's my view anyway
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I wouldn't say they (Ipad owners) are OK with it they don't have a choice. Its like living communist china. You live there because you don't have a choice not because you want to. How many downloads do you think flash for IPad would have the first day?
Anyway I'm kinda with you its not really that important but it is something thats nice to have. I'm just board waiting for 5pm so I can start smoking and drinking #winning.
Don't use it. Jeez. You don't even have to install the application. Who cares if 15 million people don't need Flash? If I wan't Flash I'll install Flash and I will use Flash. The iPad uses HTML5 as well, which can also be utilized Android. We have the best of both worlds... and until Flash is phased out of the internet, when it is needed, it will be used.
Was this thread made to show how advertising Flash as an amazing feature is stupid?
Was this thread made to show your own hate for Flash?
Was this thread made to prove that Flash isn't needed?
Was this thread made to "bash" Android fans who bash the fact that the iPad lacks Flash?
... or could it have even been to show that the iPad is selling millions and we should all be envious haters?
Really, if you don't get the point of Flash, and you don't like Flash -- just don't use the thing.
Its all abouth the kiddies being able to watch porn on their phones
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Its all abouth the kiddies being able to watch porn on their phones
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Well I already have porn I mean flash on my phone. Also I think if you don't like porn you are either really old or well I don't want to call you names its against the rules.
So the end of this thread is flash is cool to have, let's be honest, having more is good and that's what is provides for us android users, more freedom
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Well I already have porn I mean flash on my phone. Also I think if you don't like porn you are either really old or well I don't want to call you names its against the rules.
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+1!
If I want to watch porn I'll do it on the big screen. Also, there's always Skyfire that has a flash alternative... but I shouldn't give the "kiddies" too many bad ideas!
somehow flash isn't important on the day of the iPad1 release?
i feel like some people were born yesterday.
hi OP, you must be new to the internet.
That's kind of a dumb question. Actually it is a very dumb question. Maybe you live under a rock?
Most websites are built around flash. Without the flash player you would not get a nice browsing experience like the website designer wanted you to have. Yeah yeah.. ads this... ads that. It's called set the flash player to on demand. You can activate it when you need it, so you are in control. Isn't that what being an Android user is all about? Being in control of your device.
It's like 2D vs. 3D. There is quite a difference between the two, just like there is with being able to use flash on websites. Yes, one can go without the flash player (Apple products), or one could enjoy the browsing experience like it was meant to be. Technology is advancing, and its here to make life easier and more enjoyable, especially in the handheld mobile department. It's awesome to be able to go to fox.com and watch full episodes of the Sunday shows on demand on my Xoom whenever I feel like it. Or any other website with tv shows like that. Apple/iPad will NEVER have that kind of desktop user experience... EVER!!!
Hands down.
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That's kind of a dumb question. Actually it is a very dumb question. Maybe you live under a rock?
Most websites are built around flash. Without the flash player you would not get a nice browsing experience like the website designer wanted you to have. Yeah yeah.. ads this... ads that. It's called set the flash player to on demand. You can activate it when you need it, so you are in control. Isn't that what being an Android user is all about? Being in control of your device.
It's like 2D vs. 3D. There is quite a difference between the two, just like there is with being able to use flash on websites. Yes, one can go without the flash player (Apple products), or one could enjoy the browsing experience like it was meant to be. Technology is advancing, and its here to make life easier and more enjoyable, especially in the handheld mobile department. It's awesome to be able to go to fox.com and watch full episodes of the Sunday shows on demand on my Xoom whenever I feel like it. Or any other website with tv shows like that. Apple/iPad will NEVER have that kind of desktop user experience... EVER!!!
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Apple will integrate flash.
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Apple will integrate flash.
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My reply stands solid regardless of the comment about Apple products. Why people skip the whole point and focus on something else is beyond me. That was extra, not the main point. Geez.
I doubt Apple and Adobe will ever be on the same page. If they do, so what? By then Flash will be old news to the mobile world. Everyone will have it already in all shapes and forms, whether its the lite or the full version. In short.. no one will give a crap by that time because every OS will have already been with Flash for the longest time.
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That's kind of a dumb question. Actually it is a very dumb question. Maybe you live under a rock?
Most websites are built around flash. Without the flash player you would not get a nice browsing experience like the website designer wanted you to have. Yeah yeah.. ads this... ads that. It's called set the flash player to on demand. You can activate it when you need it, so you are in control. Isn't that what being an Android user is all about? Being in control of your device.
It's like 2D vs. 3D. There is quite a difference between the two, just like there is with being able to use flash on websites. Yes, one can go without the flash player (Apple products), or one could enjoy the browsing experience like it was meant to be. Technology is advancing, and its here to make life easier and more enjoyable, especially in the handheld mobile department. It's awesome to be able to go to fox.com and watch full episodes of the Sunday shows on demand on my Xoom whenever I feel like it. Or any other website with tv shows like that. Apple/iPad will NEVER have that kind of desktop user experience... EVER!!!
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Nope, I doubt my fat a$$ could fit under a rock.
I live in a house...and I'm actually a web developer and have been a web developer for about 16 years now.
I've done everything from PHP to CFM to JSP to ASP to ASP.Net....
And...at a former job--spent about 3 years developing....<drum roll>....Flash sites!
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My reply stands solid regardless of the comment about Apple products. Why people skip the whole point and focus on something else is beyond me. That was extra, not the main point. Geez.
I doubt Apple and Adobe will ever be on the same page. If they do, so what? By then Flash will be old news to the mobile world. Everyone will have it already in all shapes and forms, whether its the lite or the full version. In short.. no one will give a crap by that time because every OS will have already been with Flash for the longest time.
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I'm just saying Apple will provide flash on their OS. It's just a matter of time, weather they look for other sources or not, or even create their own interfaces... chill man, u gonna have a heart attack
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Flash is minor, I ain't no fanboy or whatever u like to call these people who only purchase certain items from one company...
All I'm sayin is when ur mum is on her iPhone and comes across a broken part of da page where flash should be, u think she gonna stress like us geeks? She ain't, she just gonna forget it and move on...
The end of this *****ing is Apple is the best... if u don't give a ****.
Android is the best if you have time to play around.
Is rather play around kos I have time to.
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Set your UA String to desktop and check out many websites in all their glory, it's pretty cool . ESPN, Yahoo, ABC, CBS, etc... It's just cool having the FULL web at your fingertips.
Also, some business websites require flash and that is why some people NEED it.
My look at it.
is flash god's gift? No it is not
is flash a good system? not really
ok.. I get it.. but here's the problem, there are lots of sites out there that use flash, benefit from it, and use it poorly and some use it pretty well
I WANT the option, I had an iphone for a while, and I remember looking for an address to a diner, or a menu for example, or just a lot of things, and it just did not work! it was stupid! now on my Captivate I get the option, yes its a little slow and sluggish, but i can at least get my info that I want.
long story short, I dont care for it too much, but this is the internet and even if we dont like things, with Jobs telling me that I can't have flash, tells me that I cant use the internet to the fullest potential.
I just hope that HTML5 kills Flash, but untill then, I need it.
OP.... yes I don't think flash is that big of a deal either.
Also, the 'iPad' sold a bunch of units in 2010. Guess what? Its 2011! The only thing available back then was the ipad. Now we have the xoom. Which is way better! Lol.
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hey guys after watching this interview from Microsoft about Windows 8 , for tablets and PCs and laptops ,, i can truthfully say , am not going buy gtab10 or any tablets that support android . am going to wait for the release of any good company for tablet with OS windows 8 and surely i'll buy it ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MnEndww2YQ&feature=player_embedded#at=16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDy-7IZBojo&feature=related
do you think android will get busted by windows 8 ?
i want this on my galaxy tab.....
exactly the same thing came to my mind after watching this
would that be possible? they tried arm that has dual core but how about our single core?
i think it will be so hard to fit windows 8 on galaxy tab .... its depend about the dev , anyways they didn't release it yet . now am thinking of buying tab10.1 or waiting for windows 8 with a good company like samsung and only samsung cuz its easy to play with it
Lol, you think its going to be that fast over 3g/hspda, and no, i doubt this will ever come to android tablets, im pretty sure that these will be built around intels new dual core atoms, or maybe the new snapdragons.
edit: The multi-tasking does look neat tho.
They announced support for ARM..
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Lol, you think its going to be that fast over 3g/hspda, and no, i doubt this will ever come to android tablets, im pretty sure that these will be built around intels new dual core atoms, or maybe the new snapdragons.
edit: The multi-tasking does look neat tho, and im glad you wont buy another android device, you should sell your tab now.
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don't be happy that much i can't sell my tab have u ever heard someone fall in love with a tab ? ? if u didn't u probably hear it now
that someone is me lolz .. and i didn't ask this to be on my tab !!!! am satisfied with overcome , am saying , windows 8 probably will eat android and mac OS .. maybe who knows
The problems of windows phone is not OS; its a market place, it seems empty. There is nothing on it.
I have used hd2 for couple of month and love user interface of windows but when i open market , it made me mad.
iOS is not a great os , but its apps make it great. Android is growing but windows is all empty place. I will not switch to windows tab unless it has some nice market place.
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Pfff, it's Windows !!! it will freeze and crash 1387445 times per day.
And the OS will not be open source, you will not have root.
And the applications will cost more, much more.
I'm willing to give it a try, but I can't say if it'll be better than Android or iOS or QNIX. It's still too early to speculate.
@liniutze
- My Ubuntu crashes a lot more than Windows. My Windows 7 hasn't had a BSOD for a year already.
- Not have root is no problem as long as it will work, imo. What they have to do is to make it idiot-proof.
- We can't really say. There are a lot of free apps for the desktop copy of Windows. If they manage to port a lot of great apps, then money is no problem as long as their quality is nice.
Besides, I expected Apple to have apps which costs like $100. I was wrong, considering that Apple seem to have a more, "prestige" perspective than Windows. I mean, their laptops alone costs twice than Windows laptops.
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Pfff, it's Windows !!! it will freeze and crash 1387445 times per day.
And the OS will not be open source, you will not have root.
And the applications will cost more, much more.
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Exactly. I can't believe this is even a conversation. Android is the fastest growing mobile OS out there. There are over 300,000 Android handsets activated each day. That's a pretty amazing stat. I for one won't give up Android, especially for Windows.
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Windows 8 seems great, so this will make people from google to make Android OS even better and that's good for us. Even Windows 7 is actually incredible.
As for iOS, Americans and British will always buy this crap...
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What a joke they said windows mobile 7 was going tobe the one not mobiles windows is old history move on.
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ive tried wp7 on a friends phone and its snappy and integrates well with social sites. however, i dont even have an active facebook account and i dont even remember by password in twitter. the only online socialiazing i do is post to forums.
i might have bought one myself but the deal breaker is the missing wifi hotspot functionality. don't count windows mobile out yet. who knows wp8 might be great.
as for windows 8, i think they should retain the current desktop ui as windows 7 is great. the touch interface should only be an option that can be turned on/off. admit it, the keyboard and mouse combo still is supreme if you really needs to get some serious work done. the touch interface for desktop is only good for kiosks or presentations.
the reason for the popularity of other OS alternatives is microsofts fault also. they started going into consoles and put less priority on games for windows. they are diminishing their biggest advantage over the other OSes on home use.. and now if they make windows 8 "touch only", they effectively killed gaming in PCs and i might as well move on to mac.
Where is innovation?
1. They advertise HTML5, Javascript etc as innovation feature, however, the same is possible on both Android and iOS. From my perspective Java is much more capable than any of these. It is object oriented and better suited for large projects.
2. Live applications = widgets on Android
3. There is nothing said about the framework and multitasking.
4. Windows will be a closed platform undoubtedly.
So far it looks like simply a promise and marketing show.
So Yea
I saw the videos and Wow, but then if everything was like in Microsoft Marketing Cuckooland we all be using fling cars and booking our holidays to Saturn directly from our courier file manager (does anyone remember courier?)
In the real world
Android is far more customizable than WM7, and yes probably tiles are nice and better than static icons, but widgets are even more powerful than tiles, hell, you can customize your own widgets in some cases (Check Maker Your Clock Application for example) or even use live wall papers to display info.
If you put your mind to it You can make your android phone to do whatever WM7 do and then some, same goes for ios, lots of things are doable in Android, the only thing needed is people interested and willing to code the right applications.
In WM7 and iOS, sorry, close source, not allowed.
When Win8 comes out and then I see it running in tablets and can compare with whatever version of Android or Chromium and whatever is out call me,
P.S. rest assured that neither Goggle nor Apple wont be seated doing nothing and waiting for MS to take their market share
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this would make a better tablet with a dock than the transformer! you use you tablet with the same os as you laptops and desktops.
and a marketplace isn't needed. there are tons of sources for windows apps. it may be helpful for a noob, but I know where to get all my software... legally.
if this works well I can see windows taking over both iOS and android. especially if it's as "open" as windows on desktops are. no freaking having to work for root.
No wonder after watching M$ you are euphoric. Its simple social engeneering. Playing on emotions and expectations. The truth is more prosaic. Windows core idea was build on using mouse. MS tried tablets niche many times in the past but never suceeded. Do you imagine mouse with tablet?
This time it will be the same. Much hype will poooof quickly.
I dont consider using windows powered tab since I met android. In fact I have two various fujitsu tabs laying around collecting dust. I need windows to work but for everything else I use android because of easy of use.
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I do like the Look of the Touch UI, but it's just a UI.. Surely that can be duplicated to some extent under Android. If not now defiantly in future releases?
Before I start please know that I've been a MS fan since my first desktop running Win98 and also loved MS phones when it was called 'Windows Mobile'.
I've just installed the W8 Consumer Preview out of curiosity and the beautiful Metro UI. Now, I'm a big fan of the Metro UI but not on my desktop PC please!
I'm a gfx/web designer I spend hours on PC everyday and the whole Metro and Desktop thing going on here makes me wanna kill someone!
It's hard multitasking and not that productive either. First, I blame Facebook for the whole "share" thing going on! and finally Apple's "great" iphone for this don't ask me why. If you just connect all the dots since the iphone's release you can understand how every apple competitor tried to turn their products more simpler or iphone'ish and that's the bitter truth though I absolutely hate that piece of crap!
It's like history repeating itself. How Microsoft lost all their "Windows Mobile" customers(including me) and market share when they introduced new WP7. They went average to worse! Previous "Windows Mobile" tech savvy's or a power user like me switched to Android and rest iphones.
Clearly, that was a wrong move by MS, they took risk with something new instead of improving what they already have with the "Windows Mobile".
In present, MS wants to make WP7 successful so they're feeding their successful huge community of PC users with their touch/portable OS crap! **** I even hate the term "Apps" now!! I want the gold old "softwares" back! Using W8 on my on 20" LED screen is a waste. Since the new Metro UI doesn't allow resizing any "Apps" or I cant keep more than 2 open. It's same as using apps on my 4" Android phone! Yes, I can work on the W8 stripped down desktop UI for a while but that just steals the experience when Metro is designed as the prime UI for W8.
I can just go on with the flaws! Never used an apple's product but now I'm seriously planning on switching to a MacBook pro until they plan to kill the desktop experience too.
No, I don't care if its just a consumer preview or whatever. Previous Win OS beta builds and final builds never had huge noticeable differences. W8 looks like it was made out of frustration.
Of course I can stick to W7 but for how long ? it's gonna saturate at some point of time. W8 has changed everything including the MetroUI. Looks like MS is killing everything they created for themselves in past years even their company logo. And of course "Windows" was the biggest part of MS' success.
In future, can't imaging W9 switching back from Metro and bringing the pure desktop experience either. Right now can only hope.
This is just my assumption and opinion. Personally I'm an MS fan and never thought I'd critic MS like this.
Please share your thoughts
My thoughts are, I'm sticking with w7
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Personally I Loved The Metro Ui
It Just A Fantastic Ui
Even On NoN-TouchScreen
But I Think That Microsoft Should Add The Button "Enable/Disable Metro Ui"
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I can just go on with the flaws! Never used an apple's product but now I'm seriously planning on switching to a MacBook pro until they plan to kill the desktop experience too.
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Tons of alternatives to both (look up Ubuntu, perhaps). No reason to be worried.
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In future, can't imaging W9 switching back from Metro and bringing the pure desktop experience either. Right now can only hope.
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I agree; I think the temptation to try to bundle desktop with mobile will be too strong. The problem is the explosive growth of small devices, compared to the slacking growth of PCs.
The failure oft Ms ist, Thats they direct kill the Old style Startmenu. It would habe been a Wetter way Tod implement Metro as a Kind of Background replacement in an classic environment. So you would have the free choice of your Personal experience.
But wich the current way, you Are forced To Use the experience , they want .
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When in future Apple finally merge iOS + OS X , their users will welcome it with open arm and called it First + Magical.
and Microsoft deliver that experience TODAY without abandoning the "Desktop" , and yet so called " Microsoft Fan" whining every lame excuses to sabotage it.
Pathetic.
Arnt there enough "I h8 windows 8" threads already?!?
The basic function of the operating system are fundamentally the same. The start menus functionality is the same, it just looks different. The lost start button is replaced by a function tile in an identical place which works in the same way. The jumping in and out of the start menu is as quick as it ever was. The desktop works in the same way as it always did. Apps are on almost all platforms now.
So I guess I'm saying, I don't get you. Windows 7 will still exist, my god there are still people running vista & there were some real problems to complain about there.
I live the fact that when I type it starts searching
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My biggest peeve so far is that it seems to ditch functionality in favor of flair.
I have no problem with a beautiful UI--but Metro is, on a rather consistent basis, slowing down my workflow.
For example, open settings in Metro, and you are greeted with a side tab with a few options: Settings, Help, Network, blah blah blah, and what's this? More settings.
When you click on settings, you get the Oh-so-useful options of "Enable Admin tools" and "Clear personal data". That's it. All that's there. You select more settings, and you get a proper settings menu. So why the hell are these separate? They really, REALLY thought we needed a whole menu entry for TWO FRIGGING TOGGLES? They even thought those two options were soooooo important that they assumed that's what you were looking for in the first place, and put them up top.
And why the hell isn't there just a simple "Settings" tile in the Metro start screen? That's what I would look for first--but no, you have to hover your mouse over the bottom right corner, then mouse up and click settings, only to be asked which of the two pointless menus you'd like to access. And if you really want to do anything worthwhile with your PC's settings, you're in the completely wrong frigging place, because Microsoft had the infinite foresight to make the control panel completely separate from the settings menu.
I hate the start up screen and how it makes me grab the screen with the mouse like a touch screen to get it out of the way.
I hate how it hooks me up completely to MSN, making me log into my desktop and MSN at the same time.
I hate how unintuitive the mash of Metro and Desktop is. If you open IE from Metro and IE from the Desktop - why do they launch separate instances that don't look the same, act the same...it is pure garbage.
The list goes on and on... but lets run into the first three things I found WRONG in the first 30 seconds.
Simply avoid Metro UI as much as possible if you're using your PC for highly productive work. While Metro UI is great for entertaining, e.g. reading books, watching movies, social network etc. it simply cannot handle multiple tasks at the same time.
I don't work on Metro UI either, but now I've got used to staying with the classic UI. The only thing that's still frustrating is some great features can only be found in Metro style. Like skydrive integration, mail and people etc. I wish there were equivalent applications on classic desktop, so I don't have to switch between two interfaces from time to time.
Sorry to hear your disappointment. I actually like the Metro UI. I give MS credit for doing something different instead of re-hashing to same old user interface.
Only issue so far is jumping back and forth between Metro and old Win7 style. Nevertheless, to each his own.
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When in future Apple finally merge iOS + OS X , their users will welcome it with open arm and called it First + Magical.
and Microsoft deliver that experience TODAY without abandoning the "Desktop" , and yet so called " Microsoft Fan" whining every lame excuses to sabotage it.
Pathetic.
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Im an MS customer I don't care what other companies are inventing and what crown they're taking, I care about what I'm paying for.
And I don't think you've actually used the new W8. I'm not "whining" for excuses which are "lame" to you. I've got my facts cleared up for everyone.
Looking at your post it just shows you can only debate on a "fanboy war" which this thread is not clearly meant for. That's Pathetic.
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Lol this like the other 20 "I hate windows 8" posts are all just troll boards. You may be clear on your "facts" but your facts arnt facts, there opinions, & you know what they say about opinions "opinions are like arseholes, everyone got them!
Come on mods, lock this thread! There are enough Microsoft sucks threads already.
I personally come to xda dev for answers not opinions. You don't like windows 8, fine, don't buy it. Just leave us folks to discuss real issues (harware/software) conflicts and solutions.
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Im an MS customer I don't care what other companies are inventing and what crown they're taking, I care about what I'm paying for.
And I don't think you've actually used the new W8. I'm not "whining" for excuses which are "lame" to you. I've got my facts cleared up for everyone.
Looking at your post it just shows you can only debate on a "fanboy war" which this thread is not clearly meant for. That's Pathetic.
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bah I AM using it on my pc with kb and mouse, I don't see "the problems" , it is fast , easy to use , sure you need to learn new things, but I am sure 8 years old kid wont have problem with the new stuff. You and others like you are just whiners, Pathetic.
i never understood why almost every os had a start-menu-like button in one of its corners. it has never been user friendly, klicking and klicking and more and more "apps" Pop up it's getting confusing. that has never been intuitiv from the beginnung and just got it because we were used to it. and it was kind of stupid, why just using a small part of the screen for one of the most importing tasks: getting an app/program/software started.
i love the new Metro ui, even on the pc. and your just one click away from a Desktop-similar experience so wtf is everybody worrying about?
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You don't like windows 8, fine, don't buy it.
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That's kinda hard considering how hard windows gets bundled with new computers, and how questionable the options are for getting a refund.
For me it's great so far
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When you click on settings, you get the Oh-so-useful options of "Enable Admin tools" and "Clear personal data". That's it. All that's there. You select more settings, and you get a proper settings menu. So why the hell are these separate? They really, REALLY thought we needed a whole menu entry for TWO FRIGGING TOGGLES? They even thought those two options were soooooo important that they assumed that's what you were looking for in the first place, and put them up top.
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Because that's the general settings section for each application and not for the entire system. It saves you from searching for the settings menu for each app. So it's more integrated into the Metro-UI. It is quite convinient.
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That's kinda hard considering how hard windows gets bundled with new computers, and how questionable the options are for getting a refund.
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Don't buy from Dell etc. Build your own and download Ubuntu etc. I've never HAD to buy an operating system & all the companies that preinstall windows sell over priced rubbish anyway.