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A couple of questions for Tattoo owners

Hello!
I'm still not sure about the tattoo, but since alot has with the development in the past months I thought I'd ask a couple of questions concerning your current satification kwith the HTC Tatttoo.
1. If you think about the issues that where real in the beginning (a big part of the market was closed for tattoo owners etc), how has these issues changed (perhaps many has disappeared now that you have root/custom roms?
2. Do you regret not buying a phone with a biger screen/higher resoluton? If so, which phone would you have bought instead for around 400 USD / 300 EUR.
3. For those who have tested a 2.1 rom on the Tattoo: Does 2.1 make the phone more responsive and less laggy (if you experienced lag before)? Does it solve any other issues that you had with the device?
4. How long are you planning to stick with the Tattoo before upgrading to another (android) phone?
5. What are your thoughts of the build quality of the device?
6. Would you recommend buying the htc Tattoo today concidering the price range stated in question #2?
Any other thoughts are also welcome=)
Thanx!

1. Still not great. I didn't realise the resolution of the device was going to limit it so much. Plus the camera doesn't have autofocus so barcode scanners dont work among other things.
2. I regret it, but its a free contract phone and im not paying £40 a month for an iphone.
3. not tested but may do soon!
4. Not impressed with android tbh...
5. Feels solid for the money. No complaints.
6. I personally wouldn't recommend it. Its a fun toy but a terrible phone. I think its far to slow. Hopefully this will change with future updates but I would stay away.

1. Still not great. I didn't realise the resolution of the device was going to limit it so much. Plus the camera doesn't have autofocus so barcode scanners dont work among other things.
2. I regret it, but its a free contract phone and im not paying £40 a month for an iphone.
3. not tested but may do soon!
4. Not impressed with android tbh...
5. Feels solid for the money. No complaints.
6. I personally wouldn't recommend it. Its a fun toy but a terrible phone. I think its far to slow. Hopefully this will change with future updates but I would stay away.

1. I've noticed that many apps became available later in the Market after devs added the QVGA tag for them. But it's still something greatly missed.
2. The smaller screen is a slight disadvantage which I was fully aware of when purchasing it, though the 7 home screens kinda make up for it.
3. I will test 2.1 in the weekend. Apparently it is much faster than 1.6.
4. Probably till the end of this year.
5. I'm pleased with the build quality. No issues there.
6. All I can say is weigh the pros and cons and decide for yourself. I bought this just to gain experience with Android.

Thanx alot for your input guys!
Sorry for the long questions, I thought I wouldn't get any answers because of that=)
sheik_yerbouti said:
3. I will test 2.1 in the weekend. Apparently it is much faster than 1.6.
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I'd really like to hear about how you experienced 2.1, and I hope
that it will provide you with a richer experience!
Me and my brother are currently looking at both the HTC Tattoo and the samsung i5700 "spica". Both phones has issues though.
What worries me the most is that the Tattoo might be a bit laggy and that is why I have such hopes in 2.1.
The Tattoo also seems more sturdy than the spica and I'm almost certain that I will accidently drop it some time.
I also like the fact that you can change the cover.
Some follow up questions: For those who has tried phones with a wider color range(?) than Tattoos 65k, spica has ~16 million,
will I really notice that much difference? I saw that the Hero had 65k too and that phone was a huge sucess.
3. Some reviews state that the resolution makes some text look blurred, is this something you have experienced?
How is the screen quaity in general (considering color range is only 65k) and what about video playback?
It's a shame that you can't try the phones in the stores here.

I tried installing 2.1 today, but I got to the Tattoo screen during startup, and then went to a blank screen. Waited for about 10 mins. So recovered the phone, and installing other ROM's now.
PS: I'm in MOD-installing-mood this weekend!

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Some follow up questions[/B]: For those who has tried phones with a wider color range(?) than Tattoos 65k, spica has ~16 million,
will I really notice that much difference? I saw that the Hero had 65k too and that phone was a huge sucess.
3. Some reviews state that the resolution makes some text look blurred, is this something you have experienced?
How is the screen quaity in general (considering color range is only 65k) and what about video playback?
It's a shame that you can't try the phones in the stores here.
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I personally notice the lack of colour depth (coming from touch diamond) but its a payoff to having a phone that will fit comfortably in my pocket (unlike the Hero = chin)
Theres not that much blurriness (imho) but you can notice it. Overall its a good android experince but I will be looking to the desire or legend for my next phone as long as they pass my pocket test!!

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I'd really like to hear about how you experienced 2.1, and I hope that it will provide you with a richer experience
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So I tried installing it again after wiping my phone, and it installed fine. It's REALLY fast. Nice animations between opening windows. Bluetooth File transfer works after installing the BFT app. It was certainly a richer experience. Despite its current flaws, I'll be using it as my primary OS.

ragzy said:
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Hi mate!
ragzy said:
I'm still not sure about the tattoo, but since alot has with the development in the past months I thought I'd ask a couple of questions concerning your current satification kwith the HTC Tatttoo.
1. If you think about the issues that where real in the beginning (a big part of the market was closed for tattoo owners etc), how has these issues changed (perhaps many has disappeared now that you have root/custom roms?
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With custom ROMs, the Market is fully available for Tattoo owners. This was the biggest issue I've had, since I'm a big lover of Twidroid and I can mark it as *SOLVED*!
ragzy said:
2. Do you regret not buying a phone with a biger screen/higher resoluton? If so, which phone would you have bought instead for around 400 USD / 300 EUR.
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Well, the only real problem I have had is the full-qwerty keyboard in portrait mode. It's just a matter of attitude, though. Having used it for 4 months now, I'm able to write very long text messages in a very short time (even if I mainly twit ), and most of the time I disable the automatical corrector as I write both in Italian and in English. The very first days I was in a real pain, coming from a simple T9 Nokia, I felt the full-qwerty was really uncomfortable, but now everything is changed and I can't live without my full qwerty
So, I don't regret. Anyway, before buying the Tattoo I was taking some several looks at the Hero which should now cost around 300 EUR.
ragzy said:
3. For those who have tested a 2.1 rom on the Tattoo: Does 2.1 make the phone more responsive and less laggy (if you experienced lag before)? Does it solve any other issues that you had with the device?
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I've never experienced lag with Tattoo but I'm not a big fan of gaming. I mainly use it for music, Google Maps (man, this is amazing!! I was in holiday some days ago with my gf and we were looking for a damn archeological site which was not on our map and not on the road signals, after walking around for about 30 mins I fired up Google Maps, searched for "Archeological Site" and BANG! He got us there, amazing. AFAIK, no GPS software is capable of such a search tool!), Twitter, Wikipedia, YouTube and all of those stuff you can do online.
The only way to make the phone very laggy is to use the RadioFM along with the GPS, but it's not a "daily" thing you do I guess.
As for the 2.1 ROM it's amazing. Even if it has not Camera and some stuffs are buggy, it's a GREAT ROM, man it's faster than hell, amazing animations, rewritten Messagging and Google Talk apps which are GREAT, every contact has its own tab which is more than good-looking and.. it's great!
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4. How long are you planning to stick with the Tattoo before upgrading to another (android) phone?
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TBH, I'm already planning to change the phone but this has nothing to do with the Tattoo, it's only that I really love the Nexus One and I'm waiting for the summer as it should be available in Italy and I should have enough money But, really, nothing to do with Tattoo, it's perfect for me.
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5. What are your thoughts of the build quality of the device?
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And.. this is a bad point. The plastic in which the stock cover is built it's not perfect. After a couple of months I've had some scratches (not in the display, though) and I'm now buying a new cover.
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6. Would you recommend buying the htc Tattoo today concidering the price range stated in question #2?
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Yes. If that is your budget and if you don't plan in gaming all day long the Tattoo is definitely a perfect phone for you. As you can see, I'm enthusiastic with it, I use it all day, I tweet, I go to Facebook while I'm on the train, I Google, I maps, I read newspapers, I.. do almost everything. Perfect.

i like my tattoo very much. i paid 60-70 euros for it and since I'm a quad rider I usually wear gloves and the screen let's me handle the phone without taking them off.
if my other phone was ok i would have waited for Nexus to launch.
probably in 2011 i will sell it or when nokia morph is launched... :-??

sheik_yerbouti said:
So I tried installing it again after wiping my phone, and it installed fine. It's REALLY fast. Nice animations between opening windows. Bluetooth File transfer works after installing the BFT app. It was certainly a richer experience. Despite its current flaws, I'll be using it as my primary OS.
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Hey Sheik - I didnt realise the devs had a rom that was that close to being the finished item - any other probs withthe rom - i.e. all of the widgets and screen sizes ok? 3g or data and wifi ok etc?

Most of the perks, I can live with. Wi-Fi is a little dodgy, but I can partly blame my router for that. Speed and connectivity problems even with the stock ROM. Of all the widgets I have, they work fine. The Music player needs to be worked on as its size exceeds the Tattoo screen both in portrait and landscape mode. My phone doesn't have 3G. I'm still stuck on 2G, and it works just fine.

Thanx everyone for your replys!
Here is an update from me=)
I have had a spica home for testing but I'm sending it back today I did not like the build qualiy, also has less ram than tattoo, and no sense ui). Me and my brother got the spica for the same price as e new htc tattoo (spica was B-grade" though). No more B-grade for me, one of the charger pins was a bit bend and both the charger and the phone was really dusty, the seller assured it was not in "used condition" though.
I can't help but wonder if the Tattoo would have been a better choise=P
As Genargo pointed out, the tattoo seems to handle 2.1 pretty well (while other sources state that samsung spica lags when scrolling through menues and pulling up the menu (even though this is a official 2.1 release).
But our android craving has been put on ice, atleast for the moment.
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I was in holiday some days ago with my gf and we were looking for a damn archeological site which was not on our map and not on the road signals, after walking around for about 30 mins I fired up Google Maps, searched for "Archeological Site" and BANG! He got us there, amazing. AFAIK, no GPS software is capable of such a search tool!), Twitter, Wikipedia, YouTube and all of those stuff you can do online.
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That sums it up quite nicely, I mean that is is for these kind of moments I want a android phone with me music / gaming and video (divx) is not that important. I guess I see it as a more portable netbook.
Perhaps I should wait and see how android matures, I bet there will be many new models this year. It's amazing how fast android is evolving. Too bad there is no perfect device, I bet there never will be. Another thing that worries me os the dust problem on bothe the HTC hero, Nexus one and the desire (?). Dust underneath the screen would drive me mad=P
Right now there does not seem to be a android phone with a really nice and sturdy buid quality out there. Legends aluminum would scratch too easyli in my opinion and I don't like the cheap feel of the buttons. Hero feels great, too bad that it has the "dust issue"=/

With the Pro 12.2, will you get Note 4 or Gear S?

Hello, I am using the Note 2 LTE and the PRO 12.2 LTE. I am planning to buy either the Note 4 or the new Gear S. Sure the Note 2 and Note 4 are smaller than the PRO 12.2. The latter can do almost all the things that the Note 2 and 4 are capable of (can we upgrade the software of the PRO to the ones used in Note 4?). For me, the main use of the Note 4 and Gear S is: phone calls. I guess I can do it with the PRO using some kind of bluetooth headset. Of course, besides having a better camera, the Note 4 is better at photo taking because it is too heavy and difficult to press the photo taking button while holding the PRO 12.2.
I will buy a new MacBook Pro Retina 15". It will be too heavy to carry the laptop, the PRO 12.2 and the Note 4. I probably use the PRO 12.2 for pdf annotation, pdf viewing, note taking, video watching, etc. I may not carry the MacBook Pro 15" as often as I did in the past. I do need the Mac (Mac OS and Windows) for my research work though. The PRO cannot serve as a laptop replacement in my case.

Looking to pick up the Note 4 eventually though I'm not sure if I'll do so straight away. I still like my Nexus 4 w/ Mahdi ROM.
I'm not sure I want to pick up a Tizen based wearable. I just have this personal issue with entering into another platform and wonder what support there will be for it from application developers. Its just another consideration I'd have to make which may not exist as much on plain Android Wear devices. I'll most likely pick up a Moto 360 or LG's round watch though.
When I travel both my Note Pro and my rMBP come with me. I really don't mind the weight of carrying both at all and my use case simply doesn't support the Note Pro being a laptop replacement. My Note Pro is primarily for content consumption and web browsing. Note taking is secondary and productivity is a distant last. It's quite useful for email and whatnot but I can't get significant work done on it other than mild annotation of PDFs.

Probably not. I have a Note 3, the Note 4 feels like a step backwards. (Particularly if the EU gets the N910C with the Exynos. Rubbish.)
I'm a gamer and a designer, so I always carry my laptop(17.3" Asus N76VB) with me, as the NotePro is simply not capable of replacing it. Not because of the hardware, but mainly because of Android. (iOS won't help. Neither will Linux. And the Surface has an Intel HD, so not useful either.)
As such, my NotePro is my entertainment device. Films, magazines, comics, drawing, that sort of thing. My Note 3 serves as my go-to device for most things on the road, as well as an e-reader.
As for the Gear... I'm a Scifi fan. I didn't get stuck in 1960, and as such I will not be spending my money on tech with a 'retro' design. Not to mention, I want Android, no Tizen. Until it starts working and looking like this, I'm out.

Thanks for the warnings about the Gear. The Note PRO is more like a large screen device below 1kg that I could use on public transportation and while waiting for the foods in restaurants. For research work, I still need a laptop.

I don't know why, but I've always liked the idea of making phone calls with my watch, without the need of a smart phone nearby. The Gear S is the most interesting to me. As others have mentioned, the new OS is a bit of a concern. Not to mention how nice it plays with other devices, should I replace my Note 3. I'll be keeping a close watch after release to see how it does in the wild.
I may consider the Note 4 a few months after release once prices settle down, real world results are in, and the other manufactures have released competing devices. But for what it'll cost off contract (i.e. $700+), I hardly see a reason to hand over that kind of cash any time soon. And that's coming from somebody who frequently buys new gadgets way too often.

When it comes to smart watches and Android Wear what exactly is the draw to these devices?
I currently see them as wrist mounted notification panels cleverly disguised as watches LOL. What else am I missing?

muzzy996 said:
When it comes to smart watches and Android Wear what exactly is the draw to these devices?
I currently see them as wrist mounted notification panels cleverly disguised as watches LOL. What else am I missing?
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James Bond.
That's hilariously the main reason people want one; because he wore it and that made it cool, and ever since they were kids a lot of people have wanted one to feel like they're a spy.
I'm not kidding, that was the reason they developed them (employed or not, the R&D lads are still geeks and nerds.(Aren't we all?)) and it's the main idea behind the marketing of them.

Better if it has a camera and a voice recorder.

The exciting thing about the note 4 release is the eventual release of the software enhancements that may trickle down to the other note products. The snap note feature for example or the improved floating window support.
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Note Edge for me TYVM?

Turnover is just too damn fast for me.
Hi Y´all!
Got my P905 pro 12.2. Got my N9005 N3. Don´t really need anything new in the months to come.
Anyway - As the title says. The turnover in this business IMHO is just too damn fast, at the very least for me, to continually keep buying the very latest.
I might just decide to get the Note5. But - on an entirely different matter - I recently found out that the 50 GB Dropbox that Samsung proudly keep advertising everytime they present a new flagship(ish) device is actually a bag of hot air if you bought another device before I knew you´d only get the 50 (48 actually) GB once. I.e. not 48 GB per device. But at the very least i´d be able to extend the 48 Gigs. But Noo - no.
So at the moment i actually consider Sony next time.
Regards
Elo

Understand the frustration there but the purpose of the promotion is to bring users to Dropbox that eventually get hooked into having to pay. In their eyes once you are hooked you shouldn't be allowed to continously increase your free capacity using the sane promotion. Every giveaway has loss built in so allowing concurrent application of them surely can't be sustainable in terms of profit margins. Like I said I hear you, this is my second note pro since I lost my first. .. sucks. .
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Polar67 said:
Hi Y´all!
Got my P905 pro 12.2. Got my N9005 N3. Don´t really need anything new in the months to come.
Anyway - As the title says. The turnover in this business IMHO is just too damn fast, at the very least for me, to continually keep buying the very latest.
I might just decide to get the Note5. But - on an entirely different matter - I recently found out that the 50 GB Dropbox that Samsung proudly keep advertising everytime they present a new flagship(ish) device is actually a bag of hot air if you bought another device before I knew you´d only get the 50 (48 actually) GB once. I.e. not 48 GB per device. But at the very least i´d be able to extend the 48 Gigs. But Noo - no.
So at the moment i actually consider Sony next time.
Regards
Elo
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It's 50GB per dropbox account, once. You can, however, simply make a new account on dropbox. (That's what I do. I currently have 5.)
That is not something Samsung chose to do. It's Dropbox's doing.

ShadowLea said:
It's 50GB per dropbox account, once. You can, however, simply make a new account on dropbox. (That's what I do. I currently have 5.)
That is not something Samsung chose to do. It's Dropbox's doing.
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Hi!
Hmm - gotta try that - Thanks! :laugh:
Update: It worked - Yepiiee - You´re a life saver - Well - almost anyway - Now i can get the Note 5 and feel good about it
Regards
Elo
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Understand the frustration there but the purpose of the promotion is to bring users to Dropbox that eventually get hooked into having to pay. In their eyes once you are hooked you shouldn't be allowed to continously increase your free capacity using the sane promotion. Every giveaway has loss built in so allowing concurrent application of them surely can't be sustainable in terms of profit margins. Like I said I hear you, this is my second note pro since I lost my first. .. sucks. .
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Hi!
Your argument makes perfect sense. On the other hand: Samsung gets a benefit by increasing the value of their product as well.
It therefore struck me as logical that there had to be some sort of deal between Samsung and Dropbox. I.e. so many $ to Dropbox each time a unit is sold. If Dropbox gets an income per unit, i´d assume (yes - i know what is said about those) they´d also have to provide a service per unit.
Damn those assumptions
Regards
Elo

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Your argument makes perfect sense. On the other hand: Samsung gets a benefit by increasing the value of their product as well.
It therefore struck me as logical that there had to be some sort of deal between Samsung and Dropbox. I.e. so many $ to Dropbox each time a unit is sold. If Dropbox gets an income per unit, i´d assume (yes - i know what is said about those) they´d also have to provide a service per unit.
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LOL You're right! Sadly they're silent on the fact that you can't continually apply the credit. Perhaps its there in fine print somewhere and I'm just too excited at each product purchase to see it . . in any case I'll buy the Note 4 sometime before the end of the year and I'll lose the ability to take full advantage of that offer. Oh well . . .I'm not about to go through the hassle of using multiple dropbox accounts.
I wish Dropbox would match Google's pricing (I actually use both but reserve Google Drive for collaborating with others whereas Dropbox I use for myself and family) across the entire range of options. Would be nice to have a $2/mo 100GB option. I really don't need 1TB of space.
Back on topic though the Note 4 Edge looks interesting too. I'm concerned though that Samsung put the curved screen on the wrong product. Having never had a Note/Note 2/Note 3 I cant say for sure so I ask those of you who have - do you think its going to be hard to avoid touching the icons and menus on the curved edge while gripping the phone and doing other things?

Polar67 said:
Hi!
Hmm - gotta try that - Thanks! :laugh:
Update: It worked - Yepiiee - You´re a life saver - Well - almost anyway - Now i can get the Note 5 and feel good about it
Regards
Elo
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Happy to help!
It's such a shame to forgo a great device (As the N5 will uncountably be 64Bit and 4G) because of corporate stupidity. Good thing there's usually a way to bypass it.

muzzy996 said:
LOL You're right! Sadly they're silent on the fact that you can't continually apply the credit. Perhaps its there in fine print somewhere and I'm just too excited at each product purchase to see it . . in any case I'll buy the Note 4 sometime before the end of the year and I'll lose the ability to take full advantage of that offer. Oh well . . .I'm not about to go through the hassle of using multiple dropbox accounts.
I wish Dropbox would match Google's pricing (I actually use both but reserve Google Drive for collaborating with others whereas Dropbox I use for myself and family) across the entire range of options. Would be nice to have a $2/mo 100GB option. I really don't need 1TB of space.
Back on topic though the Note 4 Edge looks interesting too. I'm concerned though that Samsung put the curved screen on the wrong product. Having never had a Note/Note 2/Note 3 I cant say for sure so I ask those of you who have - do you think its going to be hard to avoid touching the icons and menus on the curved edge while gripping the phone and doing other things?
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Well - i´m left handed and use a bumper on my N3. Being somewhat of a klutz i have to protect my device. I couldn´t hold the N4E without almost constantly being in physical contact with the curved edge. The curved edge is on the right side of the phone and looks like an ergonomic nightmare for us "leftys".
For a right handed person your right thumb looks, to me, like the "intended digit". Then you´d have to hold the device between your other 4 fingers and the root of your thumb/edge of your palm. Seems to me it´d be very nearly impossible to avoid touching along the edge. This needs to be tested IRL the phone shape is IMHO just too special to extrapolate or assume (Insert scared whine here) anything.
Edit: And speaking of bumpers - will they even be possible?
Regards
ELO

Yeah my first impression of the edge was it's too bad the S5 didn't have a variant of that instead. The larger note size doesn't seem practical for the edge technology. Also it would be nice if earpiece speakers doubled as normal speakers, hard buttons on front were removed, microphones placed on all corners and an earpiece speaker on top and bottom. With this setup, use rotation sensor to detect orientation so that the proper earpiece gets sound when the phone is in use. Use proximity sensor to up speaker volume when paying media. It surprises me nobody does this, a phone that you can answer in either portrait orientation that also doesn't need speakers on the sides or back.
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No thank you!
Not only will that cost us 10% screen space, it is also highly irritating if you use full-screen apps. The 'hide the notification bar' feature is already highly irritating. (Every time I try to bring it up in the middle of a video, the swipe is detected by the video player first and it changes the volume or brightness before opening the bar. UGH!)
I don't need more annoyances with on-screen buttons. The Nexus can keep those, cheers. Samsung made the decision to keep the hard buttons for a very well-considered list of reasons.
And no, they can't simply extend the screen. It's bound by aspect ratio. No, they can't add it as an additional bar on the screen either, it breaks the ratio in landscape mode.

ShadowLea said:
No thank you!
Not only will that cost us 10% screen space, it is also highly irritating if you use full-screen apps. The 'hide the notification bar' feature is already highly irritating. (Every time I try to bring it up in the middle of a video, the swipe is detected by the video player first and it changes the volume or brightness before opening the bar. UGH!)
I don't need more annoyances with on-screen buttons. The Nexus can keep those, cheers. Samsung made the decision to keep the hard buttons for a very well-considered list of reasons.
And no, they can't simply extend the screen. It's bound by aspect ratio. No, they can't add it as an additional bar on the screen either, it breaks the ratio in landscape mode.
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All good reasons. I wonder if there's a way to get full use of the device in either orientation without those annoyances.

Tab 3: 4GB Intel Pro vs. 3GB Snapdragon Plus

As mentioned in another thread, Lenovo quietly refreshed the Tab 3 Pro with 4GB RAM, a newer Intel m5 processor, and 64GB storage, FWIW. Stacking it up against the Tab 3 Plus (3GB RAM, Snapdragon 8-core, 32GB), so far a lot is speculation or anecdata.
My main questions, to put the TL;DR at the top:
How does the Plus perform out of the box, before doing any XDA magic on it? Have the audio sync issues been fixed? A Lenovo rep has been quoted saying they have been fixed.
How do these two CPUs compare? I've seen speculation that Android and/or certain apps may not be as well optimized for Intel chips, even if the m5 is otherwise more capable.
I'm strongly considering one of these two, probably the Pro. Most people, just shopping for a good tablet, will probably go with the Plus. It's currently $200 cheaper (40%), and that price point for the display and speaker quality, along with dat battery, is unquestionably a good deal. The Plus has some OOBE issues: A/V sync (possibly fixed), encryption lag, some questionable display "enhancements." But, it also has at least one dev here at XDA who has fixed all of the above and provided root, at least for the WiFi only model available in the US.
I've only had credible feedback from two different people regarding the new Pro, but word is performance is solid. Both people had the old 2GB Pro long enough to try out, and found it barely usable due to encryption lag and low RAM, and both say the new Pro is not the fastest tablet they've ever used, but has no real issues. It's probably underperforming for its hardware, but the hardware is strong enough you won't notice. Which is good, because it may never have dev support here, or not until the price drops significantly (though who knows, XDA has surprised me before).
What it probably comes down to is whether you want that projector. The projector isn't all you get for $200 - there are also small spec bumps across the board, and double the onboard storage - but if you don't have a realistic use for the projector, it would be hard to justify the extra cost. The real world performance difference between the Pro and Plus is probably not large, and may even fall in the Plus's favor if some apps have trouble with the Intel CPU (not at all verified). For me, the projector looks like it will make a serviceable bedroom TV, and probably a more comfortable solution than any of my options for getting a flatscreen in my room. The 480p will probably be inadequate for throwing comic books up on the wall (and certainly not on par with that 2HD screen), but I would give it a try.
For me, the bedroom TV prospect is one of the things pushing me over that "Do I really need a new tablet..." line. My Nook HD+ used to get a lot of use, but has been collecting dust for 2-3 years in favor of a good desktop and smartphone, and a Kindle Paperwhite taking over book duty. Now, is it not getting used because it's old and slow, or is it not getting used because I don't have much use for it?
Feedback on the new Pro is sparse, so if you have one in your hands, please let us know about it.

Taosaur said:
A Lenovo rep has been quoted saying they have been fixed.
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Where did you see this?

kayakyakr said:
Where did you see this?
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In the aforementioned thread:
Klvn88 said:
Was talking to a Lenovo Sales Rep on their online chat system about the audio sync issue and she was saying they have "received information that all issues have been fixed." I asked her to be specific about the audio sync issue and she confirmed they were told the audio sync issue has been fixed. Any idea if this is true or was she just saying what she thought I wanted to hear?
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Also in the comments of a recent Amazon review, someone stating he was not having these issues on a newly purchased Plus, though I don't know if the problem was universal. Again, nothing solid, and I would love to hear from others with a stock Plus.

Taosaur said:
In the aforementioned thread:
Also in the comments of a recent Amazon review, someone stating he was not having these issues on a newly purchased Plus, though I don't know if the problem was universal. Again, nothing solid, and I would love to hear from others with a stock Plus.
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I wouldn't trust either of those sources until we start to see OTA updates coming out from Lenovo fixing the issues. The Amazon user is not a power user while the different arms of Lenovo don't seem to know what the other is doing.

kayakyakr said:
I wouldn't trust either of those sources until we start to see OTA updates coming out from Lenovo fixing the issues. The Amazon user is not a power user while the different arms of Lenovo don't seem to know what the other is doing.
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Yep, that's why I'm asking. All the info on Amazon (regarding these two devices) is pretty useless.

Is it normal for there to be such limited reviews/information for Lenovo Tablets?! Really want to buy it, but just want to know more! haha.

There are a decent number of YouTube reviews of the previous Pro, and a couple non-English ones for this model, but Lenovo made zero publicity about the new model and didn't even give it a new name. Here's some info I got from someone on YouTube, for what it's worth:
Taosaur: I'm hoping the spec bump on the new model gets around some of the performance issues.
YouTuber: can confirm. I actually bought the new version to test it out! Loved it so much that that I sold my iPad lmao. No lag at all really
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Taosaur: Thanks for the feedback! It doesn't seem like Lenovo's much interested in people knowing the new model exists. Do you ever pull out the projector? I've been surprised how positive the feedback has been on a pretty dim 480p projector.
YouTuber: Yes I do! It's very great to seeing movies on it rather than the screen because of the size. Especially because I have a big white wall in my bedroom. The one issue I've come across with this tablet is that every battery capacity app states I have 4300 MAH battery. Less than half of 10200... however I recently learned I'm not the only one experiencing this and the battery capacity thing seems to only be a glitch. I get around 8-9 hours of screen on time with about an hour of projector use included in that so it's still pretty good
Taosaur: I don't suppose you've tried the projector with comic books? I'm guessing the resolution wouldn't make it a great experience, and the 2HD screen would be better regardless, but I'm sure I'll try it if I end up pulling the trigger. Any idea if the Hoopla Digital app works on this tablet? It's a an app for borrowing digital comics and other media with a library card. It's not compatible with my current tablet running CyanogenMod Nougat.
YouTuber: I just tested a comic and it seems to work fine. I'm sure the projector would be fine with comic books in the pitch black for sure. I just tested that app for ya and it opens just fine. I don't have a hoopla account though so I didn't get past the login screen.
I gotta say he projector is really nice for movie watching. One thing I gotta mention is... The blacks in the display aren't that good... The blacks have a blueish tone to it. I wish it was an amoled display. Still the colors are quite vibrant. Also the screen gets REALLY bright and also gets REALLY dim. Great for daytime use and night use. I tried the pixel c and it wasn't dim enough so it hurt my eyes at night
But that makes the projector all the nicer to use. After using the projector to watch the walking dead, it's hard to go back to the screen for movie watching haha. Seems so small in comparison. It's really amazing having it in such a small package. Especially as the projector is totally fanless and never needs replacement bulbs.
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And I did pull the trigger a couple days ago, so I should have the Pro sometime tomorrow :fingers-crossed: I'll let you know what I think.

Taosaur said:
There are a decent number of YouTube reviews of the previous Pro, and a couple non-English ones for this model, but Lenovo made zero publicity about the new model and didn't even give it a new name. Here's some info I got from someone on YouTube, for what it's worth:
And I did pull the trigger a couple days ago, so I should have the Pro sometime tomorrow :fingers-crossed: I'll let you know what I think.
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Awesome, thanks for posting that convo between you and the YouTuber. Would definitely like to hear you own experience with it.. I likely would just get the Plus version, as I don't see myself using the projector enough to justify the significantly higher price tag here in Canada. Hoping the 3gb ram is good enough for me to just use it as a media tablet, won't be a whole lot of multi-tasking. :fingers-crossed:

I have the 4gb pro and its really good. I had the 2gb pro and it was terrible due to the RAM issue. The 4gb has no such issues. I am still considering returning and getting the 3gb 10.1 inch plus version though. It's $200 less, I dont need the projector, 3gb of ram should be enough to solve the issues of the 2gb pro and 4gb is probably overkill on the new pro. A few things are holding me back from making the change.
The audio sync issue is obviously a huge concern since I use the tablet for media consumption exclusively. Also, there is not a lot of info on how much different the 2 majorly different cpu's are intel vs snapdragon. While the intel cpu is better on paper as its been mentioned the snapdragon has much better overall android optimization due to being so ubiquitous. Also can anyone confirm if the 3gb snapdragon has quick charge? The intel version does and its fanstastic.

My Pro showed up Monday, and I do like the projector. It may end up my most-used feature, though the screen is also gorgeous. I hang the thing over my bed and project on the opposite wall, which gives at least a 55" image, less sharp but easier on the eyes at night than a backlit LCD. Zen Pinball is my go-to game on a tablet, and it plays great - the stand comes in handy. I wouldn't try to play any detailed games with the projector, but old-school emulators would probably be great, and again, the 2HD display is excellent.
There have been bugs:
I had a one-off sound glitch with the pinball game, getting really distorted sound, but going into Dolby Atmos and switching to game mode fixed it.
"Request failed" toasts kept popping up last night while I was watching Hulu. No clue what they were, but they didn't interrupt playback.
So far I've had no luck pairing the tablet with my phone over bluetooth. They see each other, but give "wrong pin" errors, despite showing the same pin. Both connect fine to my headphones and speaker.

FYI, there are more credible reports showing up on Amazon that a software update has corrected the Plus' A/V sync and "flickering" issues.

mike240se said:
I have the 4gb pro and its really good. I had the 2gb pro and it was terrible due to the RAM issue. The 4gb has no such issues. I am still considering returning and getting the 3gb 10.1 inch plus version though. It's $200 less, I dont need the projector, 3gb of ram should be enough to solve the issues of the 2gb pro and 4gb is probably overkill on the new pro. A few things are holding me back from making the change.
The audio sync issue is obviously a huge concern since I use the tablet for media consumption exclusively. Also, there is not a lot of info on how much different the 2 majorly different cpu's are intel vs snapdragon. While the intel cpu is better on paper as its been mentioned the snapdragon has much better overall android optimization due to being so ubiquitous. Also can anyone confirm if the 3gb snapdragon has quick charge? The intel version does and its fanstastic.
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Have you had any issues with random apps not working? I recently purchased it and cannot get snapchat to work on it for the life of me.

I just bought the plus, I haven't had any audio sync issues thus far and am pretty happy with the overall build quality and performance thus far.

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Have you had any issues with random apps not working? I recently purchased it and cannot get snapchat to work on it for the life of me.
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Everything I've tried on it has worked well. I still get that "request failed" pop up at random times. I can only confirm that Snapchat installs and opens - I'm not about to make an account.

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Everything I've tried on it has worked well. I still get that "request failed" pop up at random times. I can only confirm that Snapchat installs and opens - I'm not about to make an account.
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It opens after a fresh install, I can get to the login/create account screen. But after login it just crashes and crashes when I startup as well.

Mi Mix Guide and Notes for New Users

Little background
I am currently using a Huawei P8 Max and have been a fan of phablets (i.e screen size 6 inches or larger), so when I saw the Mi Mix, I definitely was intrigued. This sliver of sheer goodness fits the bill nicely. Though I still love my Huawei P8 Max (portable but massive huge screen), the only reason why I am going for the Mi Mix is the really amazing bezel-less look plus NFC (Android Pay and a few other FinTech apps that need it)
I bought the 6GB RAM, 256GB storage version. I also bought the 4GBRAM 128GB storage white version. Both from stores in Hong Kong. The latter is a gift to my significant other. They former costs HK$4780 and the latter cost $4300. The white version is much more limited in numbers and has the added benefit of hiding all your fingerprints, unlike the glossy black version, so you pay a premium for that despite the lower specs.
Notes before buying
It's good to check out the plethora of reviews (like this really good one) and videos on this phone to make sure it is right for you (do your research, duh!) Specs aside, ask yourself if these are absolute killers for you:
1) This is a Chinese phone meant to be sold in China ONLY. if you have anything against Chinese phones, MIUI (the manufacturer's overlay on the Android platform), software and interfaces, look elsewhere already.
2) Be prepared to pay a premium for this, since it's meant to be shipped to China, and not anywhere else (yet), it'll cost you a hefty penny as well as shipping unless you're getting it from Hong Kong.
3) If you are tinkerer and plan to root or mod your device, you need patience, though Xiaomi phones are known to be fairly straightforward to modify and root (if you are no tinkerer, you still get lots of customization options over the interface), you need to wait for them to grant you permission to unlock your bootloader (and there is no getting around it).
4) You need to put a case over this when you're on the go with it because this phone is slippery has heck, so if you like your devices nude but you're prone to dropping your phone (even from low heights like a meter from the ground), this might not be for you if you care about aesthetics. This phone looks great when it's without cover, but with one, it loses much of its outer appeal.
5) There is no external storage slot, thus the reason for the big allocation of internal storage even on the lower-end spec and you need to backup frequently if you don't want to lose data.
6) The camera is just average, especially the front camera. Don't expect it to compare with the higher-end shooters like those in Pixel, S7, and the like. It does an adequate job and takes really decent crisp pictures given enough light. In low-light settings, expect lots of noise and mediocre snaps. Also, if you're big on selfies, the front camera is located at the bottom of the screen, so you might need to keep tilting your phone upside down to take your usual selfie shot the way you're accustomed to.
7) The phone uses Type-C USB charger, so if you've been on micro-USB all along, be prepared to buy extra adapters/cables, good thing they come cheap, especially off Xiaomi's official site (if they ship to your country).
8) The phone does not have an in-built earpiece for projecting voice phone calls and instead uses some nifty technology called piezoelectric speaker, so if you use your phone regularly without headset and put the phone next to your ear(anywhere, even the back), you can hear the call. It works fine in my opinion, though some noted it's strong on bass and if too loud, it's audible to those in surroundings. So if you are constantly making private calls and hate headsets of any form, this is not the phone for you.
Look and feel
This is a jaw-droppingly beautiful phone, the fact that it's nearly bezel-less is going to turn heads. The black one has the advantage of making the screen look seamless towards the edge. The white one has the white ceramic trim surrounding it and this edge gives the false impression it's thicker than the black one merely for being prominent, though it's way less of a fingerprint magnet than its darker counterpart. If you are getting the black one, you would probably be wiping smudges and prints from your phone constantly.
The body is extremely slippery, if you place it on any slanted surface it will start sliding on its own. The case that comes in the box will tackle that problem, though it makes the phone significantly less pretty. Suggest you get a clear plastic one or a thin matte skin over it. The unit is definitely hefty to hold. For female users or those with smaller hands, you can easily wrap your hands around the unit, despite the large screen size. One-handed operation is also feasible by swiping the navigation bar at the bottom left or right (start from middle home button then the direction of your main hand).
The phone is known to be fragile although it's fairly understandable given the material it's built on. Unless you give it very thick protective gear, you need to keep reminding yourself to be careful with it and not to drop it. This scratch and bend test shows it's VERY resistant to scratches and bending so if you are still able to manage to scratch yours, I seriously don't think this is the right phone for you. For drops, however, that's where it's very vulnerable as you can see here. Repairs could cost an arm a leg just for the screen alone. So I don't think I need to reiterate that users must be careful handling this device!
What else is in the box
Besides the phone unit, the box comes with a matching case (black for the black version and pearly white for the white version) which is very lightweight but a tad thick. They provide ample protection for your phone. Then you get the 2-pronged adapter plus Type-C USB cable as the charging kit, and a very brief starter's guide next to a packet that contains the SIM card ejector pin/tool. That's it. There are no free earphones or anything else. I did purchase both the Mi In-Ear Headphones Pro and Mi In-Ear Headphones Pro HD and they're perfect for this phone, so try to get your hands on either pair.
Hardware, parts and insides of the phone
On top, you have 2 mics (tiny holes) and standard headphone jack. I tried different audio plugs to it and it fits securely and snugly with a satisfying soft click when it's inserted all the way. At the bottom, you get your charge/transfer port in USB-C format as well as two speaker grilles (one for the primary mic and the other is for the loudspeaker). USB-C type is, in my opinion, better than Micro-USB (they're not compatible, btw) so you do need to get extra cables if you plan on charging or transmitting files to PC in different locations. On the left is where your dual-SIM card slot is located, you can open it by pushing the ejector pin to the hole. To the right would be the power button and volume rocker.
The screen is beautiful and viewable outdoors on a sunny day even without the brightness dialled all the way to max. Compared to my Huawei P8 Max, things look crisper and colours are lusher. Though white seems more reddish (or my Huawei P8 Max's white is more blueish).
Screen, bluetooth, Wi-Fi & tethering, GPS, ultrasonic proximity sensors, NFC, and cameras all work without a hitch. I heard that hardware can sometimes fail when you're on a non-official ROM, another reason why I strongly advise against it.
This video dismantles the whole unit and shows you all the innards of the Mi Mix. You can probably tell that getting parts won't be easy, although it looks fairly uncomplicated to disassemble and reassemble.
Stock ROM
After powering on, the first thing you see after you're done going through the starter's guide of your phone is a cheesy-looking home page with HUGE icons and HUGE fonts for each application. This is MIUI, more on that later. Not too impressive or appealing at this stage, so it's good to go to Settings > About Phone to check which MIUI version / ROM you have. When I got mine, it was the Chinese Stable ROM (V8.2.2.0.MAHCNDL). This explains all the Chinese apps pre-installed. The great thing is, you can easily uninstall any of them that are not system apps.
I ran the system update to find there's one (V8.2.3.0.MAHCNDL), so I proceeded with it (I later realise it's somewhat of a mistake, new doesn't always mean better). If you have no Chinese apps and Google-related apps, commonly called gapps here (Google Installer, Play Store, Play Music, etc.), then you are likely on the Global Stable ROM. If you don't see the word "Stable" in your ROM or it's not recognisable as anything from the official site, then you're likely on a vendor or non-official ROM and it also means your bootloader is likely unlocked. This may spell trouble if you plan on using your phone's NFC for payments as most payment apps won't allow your phone to be on anything other than an official ROM and that your bootloader remains locked. Frankly, if you just need Google apps, you can still get them on either the Chinese or Global Stable ROM. I don't advise going for any other ROM if you're already on these. for security reasons. I also assume you're on MIUI going forward. I am on Global Stable ROM myself.
The difference between Chinese and Global ROM is that the former tends to be updated more frequently, have Chinese apps (meaning you need to run Google Installer APK to get all the Google goodies), and they have way more themes (though some at cost of Mi Credits) and the ability to change font (though only Chinese fonts which is not much use to the English-speaking world and everybody else). The Global ROM lags slightly behind in update frequency, but they have gapps and Xiaomi’s own Chinese bloatware removed (you can do this yourself in the Chinese ROM with basic uninstallation). However, they don’t have as many themes (but more than enough, and all of them are FREE), you also cannot download new ringtones or fonts.
If you have a very old version of a stable ROM pre-installed, simply run the system update to get the latest version. If you want to switch between China and Global ROM, try to follow this guide using recovery mode (you need the Chinese version of PC Suite for it to work (the English one doesn't unfortunately ). Do note that “V8.2.3.0.MAHCNDL” Stable China ROM was not recognised by Android Pay as an official ROM, so you need to downgrade it back. I explained in in this post. If anyone tries it and got it working then, please let me know and I’ll update this part.
MIUI 8
Xiaomi's phone is known for MIUI, their version of Android. In past iterations, I've never really heartened to MIUI. I felt it tried too hard to mimic iOS, at the cost of user-friendliness and simplicity that comes with stock Android. To my surprise, this has all changed.
The learning curve for MIUI has become much lower, and the interface is probably one of the most aesthetically pleasing I've seen. I've used Samsung, LG, Sony, Asus, Motorola, and Huawei stock ROMs, and every time, I can't help but quickly install Apex Launcher to customise the interface and eventually finding my way to fully root the phone to tweak the way stuff on my status bar looks. Not anymore. MIUI 8 is just amazing. You click on the "Themes" app and you can see that there are plenty of really great designs out there. And if you only like parts of it and parts of others, you can actually customise your theme the way you want it directly in the "Theme" app (Theme > Settings > Customize Theme). Some theme icons are actually animated, for crying out loud!
There are still some quirks, though. For example, resizing of widgets is somewhat restrictive (not all widgets can be resized, unlike in Apex launcher). Also, it's very hard to preview widgets with the MIUI, but these aren't real biggies. With a big phone, you'd also expect more real estate but things are HUGE until you change your themes but this doesn't fix the UI scale issue entirely for apps (unless Xiaomi decides to upgrade the phone OS to Android 7.0 or Nougat where UI scale can be customised).
After downloading about 90+ themes and tweaking, here is what my lock screen and home screen looks like:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
You can also find a lot of great stuff with MIUI besides customization. You can create "second space”, allowing your phone to pretty much have 2 accounts. So what happens in space one remains in space one, and what happens in space two remains in space two. You can theme each space differently, you can log into the same apps but with different logins in both spaces. This is very neat as your phone can literally be 2 devices in one body. If you don’t actually need to have an entirelly different space but need to have dual accounts on your phone, e.g. Whatsapp, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc., you can do so using their Dual Apps feature. There's also an inbuilt app lock, and what's special is that it hides the content of your messages in the notifications bar and locked screen notifications, but you still get the notification. All these features you can find and access by heading to the "Security" app on your phone.
Phonecalls and loudspeaker
I'm no audiophile, so let's get that out of the way first, so below is merely my impression of the phone's audio qualities.
Calls on the device are made via what Xiaomi calls "cantilever piezoelectric ceramic acoustic technology" and it works like a charm. In a nutshell, rather than a regular earpiece which would inevitably make your phone bezels much larger to accommodate it, Xiaomi's technology here converts electrical energy into mechanical energy and you capture sound through vibrations. Sounds are not muffled and if you pick up calls in a relatively quiet area, you can get audibility easily at low-to-middle volume with your ear against it. Because the technology doesn't localise sounds into the earpiece, sound transmissions vibrate throughout the phone, meaning you can listen to your call even on the back panel. In noisier environments, however, you would instinctively boost the call to higher or even max volumes, this is where your call can get loud and audible to those around you, you don't even need your ear next to the phone. The ultrasonic sensor is Xiaomi's solution for Mix's lack of the standard proximity sensor and it also works. You don't have to worry about your face mashing buttons while you're on a call. The loudspeaker is also quite good, compared to my Huawei P8 Max, music at max volumes produced less static noise or buzz on the Mix. I use Spotify, mind you, and I'm happy with it. Audiophiles might do everyone a favour by putting in their two cents so as to describe in better ways than I can how audio fares on the Mi Mix.
Camera
Here is where Mi Mix scores the lowest in most reviews. Some even think the camera is crap as it performs strikingly poor in low-light settings and does not have OIS (optical image stabiliser). Well, it's definitely not the best shooter around but it's really not as bad as people say it is, especially when there are apps that can make the camera much better such as Camera Zoom FX or Snap Camera HDR. Frankly, for those who diss on the phone mainly because of the camera, please do get yourself some other device. This is a truly well-rounded phone and I think the camera is not as bad as people say it is.
Gaming
The phone's RAM, snappy processor plus massive storage and screen size make it a good gaming device. I played Mortal Kombat X on it and it's smooth and graphics look amazing. However, the phone's body is slippery so if you are playing a game that requires you to have a good grip on the back, best to play with a case. The phone gets warm gradually where your fingerprint sensor and camera lies and above, but it cools off quickly once off the game.
Mi Account and Mi Cloud and MIUI Forum
You'd want to set up a Mi Account for phone support as well as Mi Cloud. Since my phone's storage is 256GB, I'd pay to get a backup so you don't lose everything in case your phone gets lost, stolen or bricked. I pay the HK$118/yr for extra 100GB of space on Mi Cloud which backups your contacts, messages, photos and videos, notes, recordings, and lets you find your device. You might want to get something else if you need to backup your apps.
You also can find lots of good tutorials, information and reviews in the official English MIUI forums.
You would need a Mi Account tied to your phone to unlock the bootloader in order to root or flash ROMs.
Rooting and flashing new ROMs
If you really and absolutely MUST root your phone, there are two really helpful guides here and here.
I didn't see the need to, but I applied for unlocking the bootloader. Do be warned that it's going to void warranties if you truly proceed to unlock. Online guides tell you to go here, it didn't work for me, so I had to do it via the Chinese site. After filling in the forms, all you can do is wait. I got access to it 2 days later after applying. Xiaomi will send you an SMS saying you've been granted the permission to unlock. Go back to the website here while logged into your Mi Account and click the "Unlock Now" button, and you should be able to download the unlock tool that lets you unlock your Mix's bootloader.
I'm happy with my MIX as-is without rooting it or flashing any custom ROMs on it. Would be glad to answer any questions regarding the MIX.

This thread looks like can get into Guinness​, I definitely will read all of it day by day. Thanks [emoji38] [emoji106] I hope you've mentioned that how hard to find a nicely curved screen protector around.
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Thank you, i found really helpful this tread, I'm also coming from P8 max (great device by the way). I wont use the Mi mix yet. Mi mix was coming with global 8.0.8.0.0 (which I understand is not official (( ), and I really want to use the NFC Payment method, have you some advice ?
Also I hope to make a proper backup of my files, apps, passwords and settings from my P8 max. You know any reliable software for this ? or I have to do it manually?
Regards !

If I send you my phone, will you make my home and lock screen look like yours?

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I hope you've mentioned that how hard to find a nicely curved screen protector around.
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Thanks for the reply. My spouse got a screen protector but no matter how hard the vendor tried, it's hard to apply it perfectly as the screen's got some rounded edges. I didn't get any screen protector for mine as the screen's shown to be pretty scratch-resistant and there are no screen protectors that can protect your screen from cracking if you drop it or apply blunt trauma to it.

eliasmanu said:
Thank you, i found really helpful this tread, I'm also coming from P8 max (great device by the way). I wont use the Mi mix yet. Mi mix was coming with global 8.0.8.0.0 (which I understand is not official (( ), and I really want to use the NFC Payment method, have you some advice ?
Also I hope to make a proper backup of my files, apps, passwords and settings from my P8 max. You know any reliable software for this ? or I have to do it manually?
Regards !
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Great to know another P8 Max fan. Can't beat that screen and so far Huawei's been a really good phone, the only thing it lacks is NFC which is a real bummer! I'm waiting for Android watches with it, but then the Mi Mix came out first and I was sold.
I am able to use NFC payment (Android Pay) no problem but you might need to unlock the bootloader and use official tools to flash the official ROM, then relock the bootloader. I've tampered with the bootloader today by unlocking it and then relocking it, and as long as you didn't install TWRP or other boot images, you should be able to lock the bootloader just fine. Android Pay still works. Instructions on how to do it are here.
As for backup, I use MyBackup Pro which is worth every penny.

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If I send you my phone, will you make my home and lock screen look like yours?
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It's really easy to do on your own IF you are on the latest global stable ROM, just try out all the different themes and you can probably get it to look exactly like mine. You might even make yours cooler than what I've got. If you've got other ROMs then afraid I can't be of much help.

wendyalison said:
Thanks for the reply. My spouse got a screen protector but no matter how hard the vendor tried, it's hard to apply it perfectly as the screen's got some rounded edges. I didn't get any screen protector for mine as the screen's shown to pretty scratch-resistant and there are no screen protectors that can protect your screen from cracking if you drop it apply blunt trauma to it.
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Well, in it's first week on my hand; i've never put my device into my pocket with any other objects, nor put it anywhere like display could engage with any object. In theory it shouldn't be scratched but there were very very tiny scratches that you can see them under the sun light after clean it perfectly. I noticed it after my other 2 friends confirmed this situation [emoji106] I don't like using SP but now have to. Not even mentioning the crackz tho..
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Thanks for the nice review, I think it time for me to get one
What store in Hong Kong did you get yours from and were they in stock or did you have to wait?
I have a friend who lives there that can get me one and send it to me in Australia.
Tks
Frosty

frostywinter said:
Thanks for the nice review, I think it time for me to get one
What store in Hong Kong did you get yours from and were they in stock or did you have to wait?
I have a friend who lives there that can get me one and send it to me in Australia.
Tks
Frosty
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Hi Frosty,
You need to pre-order it with a store and then head there to get it, as they're not always stocked up on overseas phones (as close as HK is to China). I suggest you ask your friend (hopefully he/she can read Chinese) to help you go to this site find a seller that is selling it at a good price and then Whatsapp them to see if they can pre-order it for you.
I bought the black one in Mong Kok, and the white one in Sham Shui Po. These 2 places tend to have a good selection of foreign phone models. Let me know if you need further help.

Does anyone here know whether there has been an MIUI Global Stable update? I am currently on 8.2.1.0(MAHMIDL). Has 8.2.2.0 come out yet for the global stable?
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wendyalison said:
Thanks for the reply. My spouse got a screen protector but no matter how hard the vendor tried, it's hard to apply it perfectly as the screen's got some rounded edges. I didn't get any screen protector for mine as the screen's shown to be pretty scratch-resistant and there are no screen protectors that can protect your screen from cracking if you drop it or apply blunt trauma to it.
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I bought a screen protector from: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162394844680
But it doesn't cover the whole screen :/

wendyalison said:
Hi Frosty,
You need to pre-order it with a store and then head there to get it, as they're not always stocked up on overseas phones (as close as HK is to China). I suggest you ask your friend (hopefully he/she can read Chinese) to help you go to this site find a seller that is selling it at a good price and then Whatsapp them to see if they can pre-order it for you.
I bought the black one in Mong Kok, and the white one in Sham Shui Po. These 2 places tend to have a good selection of foreign phone models. Let me know if you need further help.
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OK great thanks for that info - will see how my friend goes.
Also what is that lovely clock weather widget you are using - is that the stock Xiaomi one? Would love to use it.
tks
Frosty

frostywinter said:
OK great thanks for that info - will see how my friend goes.
Also what is that lovely clock weather widget you are using - is that the stock Xiaomi one? Would love to use it.
tks
Frosty
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That's the Transparent Weather and Clock widget, it's free unless you want a lot of additional features, my favorite widget yet!

rikstar555 said:
Does anyone here know whether there has been an MIUI Global Stable update? I am currently on 8.2.1.0(MAHMIDL). Has 8.2.2.0 come out yet for the global stable?
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I bought a screen protector from: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162394844680
But it doesn't cover the whole screen :/
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For the ROM question, you can always check Xiaomi's ROM download page specifically for MI Mix to see what the latest global stable ROM is. Usually, the China ROM leads it by 2 iterations, so those on global can only patiently wait. Any announcements of their ROM would be in their MIUI Mi Mix English forum.
As for screen protectors, yeah, hard to find one that fits over the whole screen unfortunately. I'll be trying to get mine via T-Mall or Taobao, the Chinese ebay. Hopefully will have more luck.

if u interested can get this full coverage one... no rainbow effect and it is the best so far after i ordered a few from other sellers.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/For...otector-Ultra-Thin-Explosion/32778591332.html
how it looks like applied

nakedtoes said:
if u interested can get this full coverage one... no rainbow effect and it is the best so far after i ordered a few from other sellers.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/For...otector-Ultra-Thin-Explosion/32778591332.html
how it looks like applied
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Lol, it's same one which i bought(even $10). take a look:
Also I just saw this comment under your referred product:
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Konsstantine34 said:
Lol, it's same one which i bought(even $10). take a look:
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Also I just saw this comment under your referred product: View attachment 4097879
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yeah i know i bought many times from the seller and the quality getting better .. i am extremely happy with the latest purchase..

nakedtoes said:
yeah i know i bought many times from the seller and the quality getting better .. i am extremely happy with the latest purchase..
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Yes, getting better. Sometimes the rainbow thing gets disappeared.
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Is it weird that my device came on the latest Official Global ROM but with an unlocked bootloader?

jinsoku3g said:
Is it weird that my device came on the latest Official Global ROM but with an unlocked bootloader?
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It's likely the vendor may have tampered with the ROM , the phone shouldn't have an unlocked bootloader factory-shipped. Might want to check with your vendor.

First smart watch. Huawei Smart Watch 2 Classic?

Looking to get my first smart watch. Around £250.
I would like it to do the following without a having a phone on me:
Pay with tapping.
Track runs via Strava.
Play music (possibly Spotify?).
I would like the following when I have the phone on me:
Email alerts
SMS
Whatapp
Facebook Messenger
Answer / Make calls (would this count as legal hands-free? ).
The Huawei Smart Watch 2 Classic looks to do all this for about £230 (unless someone else can find it cheaper?).
Any other alternatives that can do the above?

Ticwatch Pro is my favorite. I don't own one yet so I can't really back that up, other than on paper and community reviews.

I had the Huawei 2 classic for about a week. The battery didn't get me through the day, and at least for me, the 1.2 inch screen was just too small. It's a really good looking watch though. Had the screen been bigger and the battery lasted a day, I would have kept it no questions asked. Hopefully the 3 whatever fixes those two things. Also, at this point, you *should* be able to find a 2 classic cheaper. Keep looking around. Or wait until Amazon's black Friday week.
OR, do what I did and buy a Fossil Q Explorist HR. I LOVE this watch. It looks great, the battery last more than a day, the screen is 1.4 inches, and super fast charging. Brand new, just came out they go for $250-270 depending on the color and band type. I got the gunmetal with the metal band just because I love that color. I don't even use that band.
OR, wait a couple more months for some smartwatches to come out with the new chip.

WillyShatsWig said:
Looking to get my first smart watch. Around £250.
I would like it to do the following without a having a phone on me:
Pay with tapping.
Track runs via Strava.
Play music (possibly Spotify?).
I would like the following when I have the phone on me:
Email alerts
SMS
Whatapp
Facebook Messenger
Answer / Make calls (would this count as legal hands-free? ).
The Huawei Smart Watch 2 Classic looks to do all this for about £230 (unless someone else can find it cheaper?).
Any other alternatives that can do the above?
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OK, hopefully I am qualified to provide you with a reasonable answer.
I have had Smartwatches since the beginning I think.
My Huawei watch 1 has finally given up after 3 years, a great service, may it rest in pieces (literally) and my backup Sony SW3 just never feels 'right'.
in my search for a replacement, I have since bought/returned or tried the Samsung Galaxy Watch (46mm), Ticwatch Pro (Amazon deal 180£), A fossil gen 3.
The Samsung is faster than a speeding bullet, well made, awesome bezel thingy, and a great screen. But there's bugger all app support, notifications don't work to my liking (eg it notifies of Twitter feed but not the actual message), slow to charge and battery simply not as great as stated and Samsung Pay, doesn't include Halifax (my bank (well not my bank as in I own it, but rather they have all my money)), expensive additional chargers and expensive watch in the first place.
The Ticwatch Pro - uses same tech as all current items and the LED screen cant be seen in low light or dark, and it was the laggiest of all watches owned/tried and isn't particularly cheap.
I didn't want to buy another HW1 so I purchased an Amazon WH special HW2, just to give it a whirl.. £130
Glad I did. Agreed the screen is too small and was a backward step compared to HW1 but this helps with battery life. It doesn't look like anything special (like a mid range Casio). But it is comfortable, all apps work as they're supposed to, cheap to buy, low-cost spurious chargers (£4!), and once you disable a couple of bloatware apps the battery is incredible and Android Pay works (never had this before).
If you can't wait for watches with 3100 chip (and they're unlikely to perform much better, but hopefully have improved staying power, then I recommend the HW2 .... especially an Amazon special.
I'm currently experimenting with different settings to understand battery implications but with 'Always on' set to off, I can get 3 days if careful), currently trying always on, with simple screen and looks like a comfortable 2 days ... which I could never get with my HW1. Additionally I just discovered it has a watch only facility (bit like the Ticwatch) giving you a month's use as a dumb smart watch.

Thanks for the above... I took the plunge and bought the HW2, A-grade second for £170. It turned up still sealed, with all the protectors on it. Great!
However, it looks like I'll be sending it back unused, as Huawei have leaked that they will be release the GT (baiscally HW3) THIS MONTH and it looks gorgeous.
Available in Classic, Sport and Fashion versions. It will have the new Snapdragon 3100 chipset, a bigger screen, be completely water-proof and a much longer battery life. Whether it will be running Wear OS remains to be seen:
https://www.techradar.com/news/first-huawei-watch-gt-photo-leaks-showing-the-new-design

BobDunn said:
OK, hopefully I am qualified to provide you with a reasonable answer.
I have had Smartwatches since the beginning I think.
My Huawei watch 1 has finally given up after 3 years, a great service, may it rest in pieces (literally) and my backup Sony SW3 just never feels 'right'.
in my search for a replacement, I have since bought/returned or tried the Samsung Galaxy Watch (46mm), Ticwatch Pro (Amazon deal 180£), A fossil gen 3.
The Samsung is faster than a speeding bullet, well made, awesome bezel thingy, and a great screen. But there's bugger all app support, notifications don't work to my liking (eg it notifies of Twitter feed but not the actual message), slow to charge and battery simply not as great as stated and Samsung Pay, doesn't include Halifax (my bank (well not my bank as in I own it, but rather they have all my money)), expensive additional chargers and expensive watch in the first place.
The Ticwatch Pro - uses same tech as all current items and the LED screen cant be seen in low light or dark, and it was the laggiest of all watches owned/tried and isn't particularly cheap.
I didn't want to buy another HW1 so I purchased an Amazon WH special HW2, just to give it a whirl.. £130
Glad I did. Agreed the screen is too small and was a backward step compared to HW1 but this helps with battery life. It doesn't look like anything special (like a mid range Casio). But it is comfortable, all apps work as they're supposed to, cheap to buy, low-cost spurious chargers (£4!), and once you disable a couple of bloatware apps the battery is incredible and Android Pay works (never had this before).
If you can't wait for watches with 3100 chip (and they're unlikely to perform much better, but hopefully have improved staying power, then I recommend the HW2 .... especially an Amazon special.
I'm currently experimenting with different settings to understand battery implications but with 'Always on' set to off, I can get 3 days if careful), currently trying always on, with simple screen and looks like a comfortable 2 days ... which I could never get with my HW1. Additionally I just discovered it has a watch only facility (bit like the Ticwatch) giving you a month's use as a dumb smart watch.
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Good for your detailed review. I have gone ahead with HW2 and currently getting almost 20 hours battery life including 1 hour of training with BT headset playing so that itself uses almost 30% with GPS on for tracking activities. Would like to know which 2 apps you froze to give you better battery life. On other items my watch is always on power saving mode and connected to BT all the time with Wifi off and GPS off (on when only needed). At night, its on airplane mode.
ChrisMarin said:
Thanks for the above... I took the plunge and bought the HW2, A-grade second for £170. It turned up still sealed, with all the protectors on it. Great!
However, it looks like I'll be sending it back unused, as Huawei have leaked that they will be release the GT (baiscally HW3) THIS MONTH and it looks gorgeous.
Available in Classic, Sport and Fashion versions. It will have the new Snapdragon 3100 chipset, a bigger screen, be completely water-proof and a much longer battery life. Whether it will be running Wear OS remains to be seen:
https://www.techradar.com/news/first-huawei-watch-gt-photo-leaks-showing-the-new-design
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Did you get that watch? i have seen this watch and tho it looks awesome it based on Huawei OS and not on Wear OS. Second thing which killed it for me was the lack of internal storage. It only has 128 mb ROM. Not sure what you can do with it.