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I demonstrate the HDMI output capabilities of the Amazon Kindle Fire HD 7" Tablet. I am very impressed with this feature.
PLEASE NOTE: This video does not do the output justice. Trust me, the color is very accurate and the contrast and saturation are very close to what you see on the tablet's screen. Unfortunately, this video shows the TV as being a little blown out. This is not the case in real life.
Stay tuned for even more videos soon!
I'm getting more and more convinced to buy one, keep the vids coming :]
If the video on the KFHD is only 720p is it outputting 720p or 1080p to the TV?
Do you know if Amazon instant video support 1080p output via KFHD?
Thank you. I'm wondering abouf upgrade from KF to KFHD and 720p v 1080p output would make the difference.
Hello?
If the KFHD renders at 720p how does it output at 1080p?
Does the processor process at 1080p and downsize to the 720p KFHD or are there two seperate renderings one for tablet and one for HDMI?
Pirub said:
Hello?
If the KFHD renders at 720p how does it output at 1080p?
Does the processor process at 1080p and downsize to the 720p KFHD or are there two seperate renderings one for tablet and one for HDMI?
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I'm not sure how to determine what the output is. It looks fantastic to me, but I can't give you specifics on whether it is 720p or 1080p. I'll do some further research.
>If the KFHD renders at 720p how does it output at 1080p?
HDMI output is [email protected] That's what the TV said about the input feed in OP's video.
UI display is undoubtedly upscaled from KFHD's 1280x800 (some top/bottom slice is likely cut off). Video render is likely native 1080p. It's easy to tell: Freeze-frame at a detailed frame and peruse the detail. Compare it to native 1080p playback on your PC. You should be able to see the diff if it's scaled-up 720p--and if you can't, then it's a moot point anyway.
Edit: On second thought, if the video is shown on both KF and TV displays, then it's probably scaled up 720p. To do native 1080p on TV, the KF would need to render two different res simultaneously, which may still be within the 4460's capability, but isn't the most expedient route.
Edit2: From looking at OP's vid again, it looks like KF preserves the entire UI display on HDMI out. So instead of lopping off the extra 80pix and losing part of the status/menu bars, it squishes the 16:10 AR down to TV's 16:9, which is preferable, as you can't normally tell the difference anyway.
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>If the KFHD renders at 720p how does it output at 1080p?
HDMI output is [email protected] That's what the TV said about the input feed in OP's video.
UI display is undoubtedly upscaled from KFHD's 1280x800 (some top/bottom slice is likely cut off). Video render is likely native 1080p. It's easy to tell: Freeze-frame at a detailed frame and peruse the detail. Compare it to native 1080p playback on your PC. You should be able to see the diff if it's scaled-up 720p--and if you can't, then it's a moot point anyway.
Edit: On second thought, if the video is shown on both KF and TV displays, then it's probably scaled up 720p. To do native 1080p on TV, the KF would need to render two different res simultaneously, which may still be within the 4460's capability, but isn't the most expedient route.
Edit2: From looking at OP's vid again, it looks like KF preserves the entire UI display on HDMI out. So instead of lopping off the extra 80pix and losing part of the status/menu bars, it squishes the 16:10 AR down to TV's 16:9, which is preferable, as you can't normally tell the difference anyway.
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Sounds about right. There is a TINY delay in the TV, so it's possible that is stemming from an independent render from the actual tablet's display. Either way, it sure looked good.
That is what I stated e.mote.
A video was played that was supposedly 1080p. Now the KFHD has to downscale the video to 720p since the resolution of 720p is 1280x720. The KFHD is 1280x800 so it will fit the screen with 80 extra vertical pixels.
1. Either the KFHD is sending the 1080p video output to HDMI before it downscales the resolution
2. The KFHD sends the downscaled resolution to HDMI
3. It has a seperate rendering for both outputs.
reverendkjr: If you could take two pictures of the KDHF playing a video in both 720p and 1080p and compare them we could more easily arrive at a solution.
Thank you.
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That is what I stated e.mote.
A video was played that was supposedly 1080p. Now the KFHD has to downscale the video to 720p since the resolution of 720p is 1280x720. The KFHD is 1280x800 so it will fit the screen with 80 extra vertical pixels.
1. Either the KFHD is sending the 1080p video output to HDMI before it downscales the resolution
2. The KFHD sends the downscaled resolution to HDMI
3. It has a seperate rendering for both outputs.
reverendkjr: If you could take two pictures of the KDHF playing a video in both 720p and 1080p and compare them we could more easily arrive at a solution.
Thank you.
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I don't think that a picture is going to help here. I watched a 720p and a 1080p trailer on the device. They look identical. I could not see any difference at all. I also looked at the TV playing both. There was a definite difference. The 1080p was indeed a lot higher quality.
My conclusion:
On the device, it scales. So it can only play whatever resolution the device can handle. In this case, 1280x800.
The HDMI must have it's own render, because I believe it was definitely playing 1080p on the TV.
>If you could take two pictures of the KDHF playing a video in both 720p and 1080p
You can't take a snapshot of HDMI out. The reason content vendors selected HDMI is that it's a secure path which prevent signals from being captured (read: pirated). There are HDMI recorders, but AFAIK they do analog captures, which means a fidelity loss.
The only sure way to tell is from the eyeball test, which needs to be done firsthand. If you're that worried about it, go to a BestBuy and ask to have the demo model plugged into a TV display, then run a 1080p clip and do the eyeball test yourself.
I apologize if my request was not sufficiently clear. What I meant was a picture of the TV via HDMI out of the KFHD with a lens that captures images with a sufficiently high resolution.
For now, as it is apparent you have, by your testimony, tested via direct visual experience, I will grant that you are correct and that the output of 1080p video is of significantly higher quality compared to that of 720p.
Thank you reverendkjr.
Well I have a cheap router and only a small cable modem from Verizon and I can get Netflix to play what I'd call more than acceptable on the KFHD. However, going to the TV from there, the picture is not even close.
If it was bad on the KFHD I can understand. Does something have to be enabled or maybe it is the cheap cable I picked up from Best Buy that I use with my Acer A500? It works at least so I thought it would be compatible with the KFHD but maybe not good enough.
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Well I have a cheap router and only a small cable modem from Verizon and I can get Netflix to play what I'd call more than acceptable on the KFHD. However, going to the TV from there, the picture is not even close.
If it was bad on the KFHD I can understand. Does something have to be enabled or maybe it is the cheap cable I picked up from Best Buy that I use with my Acer A500? It works at least so I thought it would be compatible with the KFHD but maybe not good enough.
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You have to check your bandwidth. Since you're on your KFHD it might be difficult.
Netflix 720p requires about 5mbps. You can Google bandwidth test from a PC to check your download speed. If it's less than 5mbps your video won't be 720p.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_video#World_Wide_Web_HD_resolutions
It looks like Amazon instant is only 720p. Netflix only supports 1080p on certain devices. So much for 1080p.
Cable modem and router to my KFHD I understand about bandwidth and the PQ is very good, BUT I I'm unaware of bandwidth being an issue from KFHD to TV unless I'm mistaken.
I need to read other experiences with this feature and how good or not it is. Something tells me it isn't the cable I'm using either from KFHD to TV.
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Cable modem and router to my KFHD I understand about bandwidth and the PQ is very good, BUT I I'm unaware of bandwidth being an issue from KFHD to TV unless I'm mistaken.
I need to read other experiences with this feature and how good or not it is. Something tells me it isn't the cable I'm using either from KFHD to TV.
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Well KFHD has less than half the pixels of a 1080p TV and the pixels are much more dense in terms of ppi(pixels per inch). When you view the video on your KFHD through netflix and the stream is less than 720p due to bandwidth constrictions, it is entirely likely that the picture will look fine on your KFHD but inadequate on a larger TV with a much lower pixel density.
If your bandwith is less than 5mbps you won't be viewing HD video through Netflix, it will be SD (standard definition) which won't look good on a HDTV.
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Well KFHD has less than half the pixels of a 1080p TV and the pixels are much more dense in terms of ppi(pixels per inch). When you view the video on your KFHD through netflix and the stream is less than 720p due to bandwidth constrictions, it is entirely likely that the picture will look fine on your KFHD but inadequate on a larger TV with a much lower pixel density.
If your bandwith is less than 5mbps you won't be viewing HD video through Netflix, it will be SD (standard definition) which won't look good on a HDTV.
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Thanks for the clarification.
I have a Blu Ray player I stream movies from to the TV which is pretty good so not having a great picture from the KFHD to TV isn't the end of the world to me. I don't stream that much really, I just flip in a Blu Ray disc for PQ nirvana.
I picked up a cheap HDMI to HDMI micro cable at Best Buy to test the HDMI out on the Kindle Fire HD (Rockfish)
I tested the HDMI output playing a couple of HD movies from Amazon Prime (True Grit and Into the Wild). Both of these movies look fantastic on the Kindle Fire HD. However, when viewing on the my HDTV's, the quality of the video is not that good. For example: It's not nearly as sharp as an HD program via Direct TV for example. The picture is kind of washed out and not very clear. It looks a lot like SD instead of HD.
I also noticed that the audio is not being output as Dolby Digital 5.1. I was hoping that it was.Has anyone had any luck Dolby 5.1 sound output?
Note: I tried it on 2 TV's (One 50 inch Samsung 1080P Plasma and also on a 37 inch Panasonic 720P Plasma). Similar results on both. Maybe it's the cheap "Rockfish" cable I picked up at Best Buy to test with? Maybe I'm missing a setting somewhere? I was hoping for typical HD quality picture when using the HDMI out. But, I'm not seeing it on my TV's at least. btw....I have charter cable internet (50mbs download speed)....so plenty of speed.
I tried outputting to a smaller Sony HDTV display, 32" instead of my Samsung 40". While better, movies isn't something with my current router and cable modem I will be doing from the KFHD.
I have an Acer A500 which has HDMI interface as well. Maybe I'll try it again as I cannot recall if the pq was any better.
As far as the HDMI cable? I'm still unsure if a higher quality one would make any difference whatsoever given my router and cable modem bandwidth to begin with.
There's always games though. Riptide is lots of fun so a plus for that to my HDTV displays!
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I tried outputting to a smaller Sony HDTV display, 32" instead of my Samsung 40". While better, movies isn't something with my current router and cable modem I will be doing from the KFHD.
I have an Acer A500 which has HDMI interface as well. Maybe I'll try it again as I cannot recall if the pq was any better.
As far as the HDMI cable? I'm still unsure if a higher quality one would make any difference whatsoever given my router and cable modem bandwidth to begin with.
There's always games though. Riptide is lots of fun so a plus for that to my HDTV displays!
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Thanks for the feedback on the HDTV test. I was really hoping for some better performance for Amazon Instant "HD" video when using HDMI to output to my 50 inch 1080P Plasma. However, based on my testing, the HDMI out on the Kindle Fire HD is something I would never use. At least not for watching Amazon instant "HD" video. I was hoping for something along the lines of what I see when I steam a movie using the Apple TV (really good "HD" picture quality). Still the Amazon instant "HD" video looks great on the Kindle Fire itself & at $199 it's quite the deal. Just wish I had an option to see "quality" Amazon content on my HDTV's (ie without purchasing another device like Roku).
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I'm getting more and more convinced to buy one, keep the vids coming :]
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ok~
Hi, all just thought I'd share a tip about how to upscale your movies to improve picture quality.
Purchase Seiki U-Vision upscaling HDMI cable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQkDG7ofjDo
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seiki-SU4KC1-SEIKI-U-Vision-Cable/dp/B00IE5C6LO
Side Load your favourite video streaming app onto your FireTV.
Set your FireTV display output to be 720p
Stream movie.
The premise of this assumes that your movie stream is not being shown in 1080p, so instead of just stretching it, you instead direct the video output through the cables onboard upsclaer which fills in missing detail and outputs it again in 1080p.
death_entry said:
Hi, all just thought I'd share a tip about how to upscale your movies to improve picture quality.
Purchase Seiki U-Vision upscaling HDMI cable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQkDG7ofjDo
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seiki-SU4KC1-SEIKI-U-Vision-Cable/dp/B00IE5C6LO
Side Load your favourite video streaming app onto your FireTV.
Set your FireTV display output to be 720p
Stream movie.
The premise of this assumes that your movie stream is not being shown in 1080p, so instead of just stretching it, you instead direct the video output through the cables onboard upsclaer which fills in missing detail and outputs it again in 1080p.
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Hi,
Will this work with any streaming app like Netflix or Amazon Prime Instant Video?
Thanks!
This sounds promising. But would you really have to set your max output to 720p? Couldn't you just leave it set to a max of 1080p? I would think the 720p stuff would look improved, but the 1080p wouldn't look any different.
Anybody else try one of these gizmos? I'd love to hear more feedback on 'em.
Normally those cheap upscalers do not improve the picture quality in fact it´s even getting worse due to the simple resizing than using the original output size and let the TV do the upscaling with their more advanced chipset upscalers. There might be also some HDCP problems since those cables are working as additional component in the HDCP handshake chain. I suggest to look for some user critics for e.g. on amazon. I personally wouldn´t buy one.
I actually have one of these cables, which does have its own dedicated upscaling hardware you can google lots of positive reviews about them...
As for improving quality the point of downsizing the resolution to 720p of the firetv is that it then matches the resolution of lower quality streams. This then will run all video being output through the upscaler no matter what you are playing.
Ofc there's no point trying to upscale a 1080p stream back to 1080p.
Running the Fire TV through at 1080p would upscale it to 4K
From my own testing the cable did convert the video back to 1080p with picture quality improvements (note I was not watching a 1080p video in the first Instance)
I think it's intriguing enough to give it a whirl, especially if you get it off Amazon and can return it easily enough if the performance is sub-par. But looks like Amazon's sold out of 'em this week (though you can buy it for a bit more $ from a third-party vendor).
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I think it's intriguing enough to give it a whirl, especially if you get it off Amazon and can return it easily enough if the performance is sub-par. But looks like Amazon's sold out of 'em this week (though you can buy it for a bit more $ from a third-party vendor).
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At least they are on back order from amazon for £30, mine came pretty quick...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B00IE5C6LO/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
Yeah I mean the general premise is that you take your crappy looking 720p online movie stream and then force it through the upscaler to improve the quality along the way to it being converted to 1080p...
The reason why you set the the FireTV also to 720p as it will then trigger the upscaling upto 1080p... otherwise all you're normally doing is watching a 720p movie but just stretched to a 1080p resolution which looks even worse
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I'm yet to find a side by side comparison online to see if it really does improve the quality as all of the reviews are focused on the upscaling to 4K which do seem to look razer sharp...
I would have done one myself but I don't currently have a camera tripod to make sure im taking a picture from the exact same perspective each time... You would also need a hdmi switcher so you can easily change between hdmi cables.... but tbh its not alot of money and worth a punt
Just from a purely subjective standpoint, do you feel like you're seeing a definite improvement in picture quality?
We watched Rio 2 last night in 720p and it looked like dog doo.
Hey, death_entry, could you tell me how long the USB cable is? I'm assuming it attaches to the main HDMI cable at some point, and I need to know just how long it is. I don't have a USB port on my television, so I'd have to power the cable from somewhere else -- either the FireTV's USB port, my new TiVo OTA unit (which has two USB ports), or perhaps something like an iPhone USB charger, where I plug it into the wall and maybe run a USB extension cord to the U-Vision cable. Hopefully one of the above would provide adequate power for the U-Vision to do its thing.
Anyone having this issue? It will play around 10-15 secs then it will prompt me this.. Only happening on 4K contents. The problem is I cannot uninstall Netflix as it was embedded on the shield. I already signout, restart the machine but still getting this.
Is the shield TV connected to a HDCP 2.2 compliant HDMI input on your TV?
Also, try another account. I used to have this problem a lot on the built-in Netflix app on my samsung TV, and for some reason changing from my kid's profile to mine playing the exact same thing would work.
I have never seen this on my Shield TV, unless my internet connection drops...
do you think hdmi rated 10.6gb is not enough?
ad78 said:
do you think hdmi rated 10.6gb is not enough?
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I am not sure...
But 10.2Gb/s is hdmi 1.4 / HDCP 1.4...while HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 is 18Gbps.
Did you try the HDMI cable provided with the Shield? This is the one I use and have no problem.
And again, the input used on the TV has to be HDCP 2.2 compliant. On my Samsung TV (2014) for example, only HDMI 3 can do HDMI2.0+HDCP 2.2 (only 30hz), all other inputs are HDMI 2.0 (at 60hz) but non HDCP 2.2 compliant.
What TV brand / model do you have?
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I am not sure...
But 10.2Gb/s is hdmi 1.4 / HDCP 1.4...while HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 is 18Gbps.
Did you try the HDMI cable provided with the Shield? This is the one I use and have no problem.
And again, the input used on the TV has to be HDCP 2.2 compliant. On my Samsung TV (2014) for example, only HDMI 3 can do HDMI2.0+HDCP 2.2 (only 30hz), all other inputs are HDMI 2.0 (at 60hz) but non HDCP 2.2 compliant.
What TV brand / model do you have?
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I'm sorry it's 10.2gb
Here's my dilemma.. YouTube on shield was set to 2160p played without any issue.. Not a single buffer. Very smooth
I checked the settings on shield it was set to 4K 30hz. Yes I'm using the provided hdmi from shield going to my 4K Sony receiver.
My tv is Vizio 4K 2015 model. At the back of the TV I have 4 HDMI. It was set to hdmi 1 which is 30hz. I tried swapping to HDMI 2 60hz but I'm getting the same problem.
Ill try uninstall updates on Netflix as soon as I get home and keep you posted. Or probably try rooting the hell out of the shield and sideload netflix from play store
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I'm sorry it's 10.2gb
Here's my dilemma.. YouTube on shield was set to 2160p played without any issue.. Not a single buffer. Very smooth
I checked the settings on shield it was set to 4K 30hz. Yes I'm using the provided hdmi from shield going to my 4K Sony receiver.
My tv is Vizio 4K 2015 model. At the back of the TV I have 4 HDMI. It was set to hdmi 1 which is 30hz. I tried swapping to HDMI 2 60hz but I'm getting the same problem.
Ill try uninstall updates on Netflix as soon as I get home and keep you posted. Or probably try rooting the hell out of the shield and sideload netflix from play store
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Here's the deal...youtube doesn't care about content protection, so anyone with a 4k tv can stream 4k content from youtube. HDMI 1.4 will support 4k resolution at 30hz no problem, so no problem with youtube. Netflix however, cares. So streaming Netflix in 4k requires all your involved components (shield TV, receiver, TV) to be HDCP 2.2 compliant (HDCP = High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection) + HDMI cables supporting the necessary bandwidth for 4k+HDCP2.2 (18Gbps).
4k receivers might have all HDMI inputs HDCP2.2 compliant, some have 1 only, some have none, all depending of how old and how much you paid for it.
If I were you, before uninstalling netflix updates and stuff, I would connect the shield TV directly to the TV (no receiver), and see if the problem persists. From what I read online, if you have a 2015 Vizio M series, only input 5 will do 4k+HDCP 2.2
"Only one HDMI input, Input 5, is compatible with both newfangled HDMI connection protocols, namely HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 copy protection. The former allows 4K frame rates up to 60Hz, the fastest currently available. The latter allows the TV to accept copy-protected 4K content over HDMI, from devices like the Sony FMP-X10 media player, the Nvidia Shield playing back certain copy-protected content such as Netflix 4K, and forthcoming 4K Blu-Ray content. 2015 4K TVs from Samsung, Sony and LG offer multiple so-equipped inputs.
The other four are version 1.4, meaning they can handle 1080p sources up to 60Hz and 4K sources up to 30Hz. Of those four, only two support HDCP 2.2."
http://www.cnet.com/products/vizio-m-series-2015/2/
I spent hours and hours reading about all that stuff...and this is a huge headache for consumers!!!! To get my system where I want it to be, I'd have to spend $400 on a "Samsung evolution kit" + another $500 on a receiver!! Just because of all that HDCP BS...
Thanks man.. What a good read. I'll try your recommendation for sure.
so i directly inserted the HDMI cable from TV to shield showed all "ultra HD" menu.. i just realized that my 4K sony receiver is not HDCP 2.2 supported. Damn!
definitely, my 4K vizio TV is HDCP 2.2 capable since i can play netflix ultra HD on it.
thanks..
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so i directly inserted the HDMI cable from TV to shield showed all "ultra HD" menu.. i just realized that my 4K sony receiver is not HDCP 2.2 supported. Damn!
definitely, my 4K vizio TV is HDCP 2.2 capable since i can play netflix ultra HD on it.
thanks..
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Yep...As I said 4K is going to be a massive headache for consumers...Netflix, Amazon, 4k bluray players, STBs etc will all require HDCP2.2... Many people are going to buy those new 4k TVs, to soon realize that their receivers, soundbars and other peripherals won't be able to work anymore. It's really a pain considering how much a good receiver costs...
What makes it even more of a BS is that this whole thing is only about content protection and encryption of the video signal to avoid piracy...guess what, it's already been cracked. All the 4k content from Netflix is already available on torrents. Yet we have to spend extra $$$ on hardware for legitimate content we are already paying for. Anyways...
Glad I could help!
good thing i bought the receiver after Nov 1. which is qualified for holiday returns until Jan 15.
thanks again
4k on Shield Tv
Yes having the same problem, Netflix is saying it's the bitrate from the ISP, but have a Roku4 that streaming fine on the same network. Netflix is saying the ISP is singling out the Shield and capping it. Hmm
Hello there.
So I have a Nvidia shield tv pro which does a great job upscaling HD content to 4k. I currently use a 4k oled television so it works hand in hand.
This weekend I am upgrading to the 2019 model of Samsung QLED 8k television series.
So my question is. How will shield decide upscaling, will both the TV and shield work against each other, which device will have priority in upscaling. Would turning off upscaling on the shield make it better?
Also would things be clearer or better straight from the TV apps due to shield being made for 4k? Currently buying a 8k HDMI cable to put into the shield from the TV too if that helps.
Hopefully I can get some insight.
The Nvidia shield tv only supports HDMI 2.0b which supports 4k at 60hz and either doesn't support 8k or only supports it at 30hz. I doubt the shield supports 8k output atall. I would say to leave nvidias scaling on and see how it does it will upscale to a maximum of 4k on its own then the tv will do the rest.
Always let the TV do the upscaling. The processor and algorithms will be better than the Shield's as the manufacturer knows what to do with the pixels based on its design. All 8K TVs know how to upscale from 4K because there isn't any 8K content.
Hi,
Just got a new Nvidia Shield Pro Tv and after installing it does not show up the 4k resoloution on the screen. For some reason it shows 1080p default. No other options are even available. All my cables are 4k UHD complaint and also the receivier and the projector all 4k. My ampifier is Pioneer VSX-LX304 and projector is BENQW2700. Is there any one who is able to recommend me a soloution as to how to fix this issue please. Desperate to get it done. Am a bit disappointed with this devise as i have heard a lot of good reviews about it. Thanks guys Ed
I would suggest you connect the TV and reset the Shield to factory settings and let it boot up with the TV attached.
If no joy then I suggest your HDMI cables aren't HDMI certified, buy Monoprice certified premium HDMI cables, they are very cheap and completely reliable.