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MHL Mirroring

Hey, could someone with the fone in hand confirm if Mirroring is possible through MHL as well as general video/picture sharing?
Cheers

Nobody knows, no one have a mhl cable atm

I'm hoping to be able to test this soon, as the MHL consortium are trying to source an MHL cable/adapter for me, if they are able to get one (they seem to be having some difficulty at present) then I will upload videos etc to demo this functionality. Barring them being able to supply me one then we'll be waiting until June, when the Samsung adapters are scheduled for release (listed at Clove).

Hey there NZtechfreak, I've seen your video of the SGS with bluetooth keyboard/mouse will full mirroring over rca.
Thats exactly what i want to be able to do , and I assume you are in the same boat.
I'm getting my SGS2 either today or tomorrow, so if i can somehow source a cable, i'll try it and report back here as well.
Thanks

Burko, I'll wait for your tests!!! I want to do the same thing. galaxy s II, mhl mirroring, bluetooth keyboard/mouse: a little netbook.
Thanks!!!

HDMI out and OTG support?

So, I know it just came out today, but damn this device sounds amazingly superior.
So does anyone know if it has HDMI out or Micro-USB to HDMI out? Anything about OTG so we can use usb keyboards, mice, flash drives, etc?
I am seriously considering selling my iPods for this thing. I already have a Kindle Fire, but I might sell that too for this thing...

Cl8rs said:
So, I know it just came out today, but damn this device sounds amazingly superior.
So does anyone know if it has HDMI out or Micro-USB to HDMI out? Anything about OTG so we can use usb keyboards, mice, flash drives, etc?
I am seriously considering selling my iPods for this thing. I already have a Kindle Fire, but I might sell that too for this thing...
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HDMI out through MHL otg suppport is unknown but considering its a nexus it will be easy to add so consider it supported

aaronpoweruser said:
HDMI out through MHL otg suppport is unknown but considering its a nexus it will be easy to add so consider it supported
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That is what i am thinking, since it is a nexus product the developers should be able to rape the nexus7 with alot of goodies.

If it does not have the innards to support it, MHL support might not be so easy to add in. I'm just hoping they're not holding back for the sake of Nexus Q sales. But I suspect, that may be exactly what is happening.
We'll see, I hope it has the support built right in.

USB keyboards, mice and "other devices" are supported.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27986578

Confirmed, no MHL support!
mojo4321 said:
USB keyboards, mice and "other devices" are supported.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27986578
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Other things may be supported, however, Engadget has confirmed the Nexus 7 does not support MHL. It has no way to connect an HDMI cable and get video output to a TV/monitor. Ah yes, it appears they are holding back for sales of that Nexus Q...

Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Other things may be supported, however, Engadget has confirmed the Nexus 7 does not support MHL. It has no way to connect an HDMI cable and get video output to a TV/monitor. Ah yes, it appears they are holding back for sales of that Nexus Q...
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Where in that article does it confirm no MHL support? They even suggest using an MHL adapter if you want HDMI out...
[Edit] I see at the very end of the post they updated. I missed it the first time[/Edit]
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so is it certainly no hdmi or mhl ?

as the topic there are no way to connect from phone to tv?
the only way i assume is through the "Q" ?

goku16 said:
as the topic there are no way to connect from phone to tv?
the only way i assume is through the "Q" ?
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there is no HDMI type-D port.
There is no MHL support through USB that we know of.
They really want to sell the Q. I think it's a great device, and Made in the USA too.

sadly, i live in australia so and they dont sell the Q here yet, but... it would be nice to hook the phone up straight to the TV

I certainly hope the Q bombs or you'll probably see fewer devices with hdmi in the future.
And it's just streaming from google play store that's it. Not local files, I'm not sure about games, and say you want to use your tablet as a barebones pc for a spare room and just browse the web, email etc on your hd tv. I don't believe you can do those things with the Q.
So tell me, why is worth it to lose the above for 300 bucks? So I have more audio outputs and friends can queue their music from the cloud?
Cause google knows if hdmi was included, most people would say this is good enough and wouldn't bother with the Q. Or am I missing something magical this device does?

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-7-Teardown/9623/1
Note lack of anything mentioning HDMI or MHL.
This is a cheap device, Asus\Google probably didn't want to pay the licensing fees.

this is holding me back a little before pre-order it
damn it

Keep your fingers crossed for products that can mirror the screen to the TV using WIFI. xBounds comes to mind. that would be even better than a cable hooked up to the tv as those cables are usually not that long.

But with wifi, i must have a tv-ethernet port
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As far as I know Asus has never had MHL on one of their devices.
Samsung yes (Think Nexus). Asus no (Think Nexus 7).

goku16 said:
But with wifi, i must have a tv-ethernet port
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no. there is a wifi dongle that plugs into the hdmi port of the TV. the nexus would sent the data to the dongle which converts it to a TV signal.
its actually quite genius if you ask me, but not quite sure why its not available yet?

Miracast on the Nexus 7?

In articles released today, Nvidia said the Tegra 3 chipset will support miracast (an open streaming tech similar to DLNA) for mirroing/streaming to other devices/ monitors. Will the Nexus support this and would this be their workaround for forgoing the MHL/HDMI? Or would it only be on future models? -Ara
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AraDreamer said:
In articles released today, Nvidia said the Tegra 3 chipset will support miracast (an open streaming tech similar to DLNA) for mirroing/streaming to other devices/ monitors. Will the Nexus support this and would this be their workaround for forgoing the MHL/HDMI? Or would it only be on future models? -Ara
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I'm very curious about this too.

I've looked into this briefly and from what I gather, any device that supports WIFI direct should be able to do this. I think I read somewhere that the N7 has wifi direct. Miracast is only a standard. There are other non-standard devices out there that can also do the same thing, but requires changes to the core android files.
Search for xbounds on youtube and the internet. You will see some demos of it. it requires an hdmi dongle that has wifi on it that communicates with your device.
In any event, if the N7 doesn't support miracast, it will support xbounds via a custom ROM (if and when somebody decides to build a custom ROM with xbounds integrated). Then all that is required is the xbounds dongle. Unfortunately, there is not much information on xbounds and when it will be released.

What would I need to purchase to get this working?

Hopefully, we don't need to buy stuff, we just need to update our devices when miracast comes down. There's a list of compatible devices on the Wi-Fi Alliance website. -Ara
EDIT: here's a link to the tegra explanation of miracast, taken from an article on the issue. Yeah, a dangle may be involved depending on the setup. http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/tegra_white_papers/tegra-miracast-whitepaper-final.pdf
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I've not found any hardware that you could plug into say an HTML Monitor that will work with this yet. I do think it will be coming available soon though.

hope so
I reckon it will work with a Nexus 7. Hopefully the dongle isn't too expensive and my Nexus 7 will be my new PSone.

Shouldn't need a dongle. Maybe a Raspberry Pi but everyone should have one of those anyway Search "Android Transporter" for more info.
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Nexus Q might get Miracast support
Nexus 7 and most Tegra 3 (also Galaxy S3) phones/tablets can get a fw upgrade to enable miracast (most that support WIFI Direct probably can have Miracast enabled).
Now that google is having another round of tinkering on the Nexus Q before release we might end up with Miracast support in it as well.
Personaly I think Miracast will be added out of the box and maybee even Google TV.
I only hope that it won't be possible to disable mirroring from inside an app using the API, if so I'm sure some streaming services will disable mirroring of the screen while using there apps lika HBO Go have done to Airplay

mfucci said:
Shouldn't need a dongle. Maybe a Raspberry Pi but everyone should have one of those anyway Search "Android Transporter" for more info.
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Using a Raspberry Pi would be like a dongle... I'd like to get my hands on one to play, currently, there is a 12 week delivery time on those as well and you most likely would want it in some sort of case for it as well.
While most likely a solution, not a real clean one for mass marketing. That will come though.
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Now that google is having another round of tinkering on the Nexus Q before release we might end up with Miracast support in it as well.
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Hopefully it does include support, but that is still a bit pricey and also not very portable.
Think of something you put in your briefcase, take out for a meeting, plug into the HDMI port of whatever display is in the room and play. So it needs to be portable, reasonably priced and easy to use out of the box without a lot of fiddling with it.

widi and Miracast adapters
I am thinking that these will do what we need on the display side. Now to enable it on the Nexus 7.
Netgear announces Push2TV WiDi adapter and three new NeoTV units
engadget. com/2012/09/20/netgear-push2tv-neotv/#continued
krelvinaz said:
Using a Raspberry Pi would be like a dongle... I'd like to get my hands on one to play, currently, there is a 12 week delivery time on those as well and you most likely would want it in some sort of case for it as well.
While most likely a solution, not a real clean one for mass marketing. That will come though.
Hopefully it does include support, but that is still a bit pricey and also not very portable.
Think of something you put in your briefcase, take out for a meeting, plug into the HDMI port of whatever display is in the room and play. So it needs to be portable, reasonably priced and easy to use out of the box without a lot of fiddling with it.
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Has anyone heard any updated news on miracast? I tried Google but all I found was old news. I'm really tired of waiting.

[Q] Tab 4 8.0 and 10.1 HDMI Output

Does anyone with a Tab 4 have HDMI out working and if so which cable/adapter are you using?
I have ordered a cheap ebay cable for a Tab 3 8.0/10.1 that is supposed to have the Samsung 11 pin MLH usb plug. Does the Tab 4 use the same 11 pin jack as the Tab 3? I also saw a post here about screen mirroring for the 7.0 but nobody answered....the specs for both the Tab 3 7 and Tab 4 7 on the Samsung site show NO screen mirroring, only 8.0 and 10.1. That fact alone leads me to believe the Tab 3 cable will work.

macbroom said:
Does anyone with a Tab 4 have HDMI out working and if so which cable/adapter are you using?
I have ordered a cheap ebay cable for a Tab 3 8.0/10.1 that is supposed to have the Samsung 11 pin MLH usb plug. Does the Tab 4 use the same 11 pin jack as the Tab 3? I also saw a post here about screen mirroring for the 7.0 but nobody answered....the specs for both the Tab 3 7 and Tab 4 7 on the Samsung site show NO screen mirroring, only 8.0 and 10.1. That fact alone leads me to believe the Tab 3 cable will work.
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I tried it with a monoprice adapter and it did not work, I did not spend too much time messing with it though,
I think the screen mirroring built in is via DLNA to a Smart TV or other DLNA receiver.

raitchison said:
I tried it with a monoprice adapter and it did not work, I did not spend too much time messing with it though,
I think the screen mirroring built in is via DLNA to a Smart TV or other DLNA receiver.
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The specs say wired HDMI also so I am hoping the Tab 3 cable works. Is your adaper 5 pin or 11 pin, powered or unpowered. From what I have been reading the cable MUST be plugged in to USB power in addition to the tab for it to work. This is the one I have on order.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/151312595134?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

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The specs say wired HDMI also so I am hoping the Tab 3 cable works. Is your adaper 5 pin or 11 pin, powered or unpowered. From what I have been reading the cable MUST be plugged in to USB power in addition to the tab for it to work. This is the one I have on order.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/151312595134?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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Yeah my adapter is powered but I did not have it plugged into USB. I'll try it again.

So does the Tab 4 (specificly the 8.0) support HDMI out? I notice that the US website and Best Buy mentions HDMI, but the canadian samsung website doesn't mention it.

The MLH cable I got from China does NOT work. I do have hope for the future. There are no HDMI adapters available from Samsung at this time even though they say wired HDMI is supported with an adapter that they have not made available yet! I believe the hardware support is there but it is not implemented in the TouchWiz software.

macbroom said:
The MLH cable I got from China does NOT work. I do have hope for the future. There are no HDMI adapters available from Samsung at this time even though they say wired HDMI is supported with an adapter that they have not made available yet! I believe the hardware support is there but it is not implemented in the TouchWiz software.
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Hi I tried several adapters ordered by Amazon including this one Samsung ET-H10FAUWEGWW but no chance of getting HDMI a signal out.
Therefore I contacted Samsung using the Smart Tutor app of samsung and unfortunately after remote examining the device, they confirmed that MHL is NOT supported by this device. However this might apply only to the European versions.
So what, now I am so disappointed?! Does anybody know if Samsung maybe deactivated this feature in their ROMs, if so maybe we could get
HDMI out with a custom ROM in the future.
kind regards
Mjay

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You have to be careful in choosing an adapter for these. The following one did NOT work for my tab 4 10.1:
Go to amazon dot com/gp/product/B00ESM3Q7K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
But this one specifically says it does, and comments seem to confirm it:
Go to amazon com/gp/product/B00KGP5SEC/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have one on order, and I will post my results when I get it and try it.
Eric

I wish you luck with the second cable you mentioned, but I read all 24 pages of reviews for it and the Tab 4 is not mentioned as working in any review. Half the reviews say it doesn't even work with the devices listed!
Most CS staff have very little technical knowledge. I would not put one bit of faith in a CS rep saying, oh it's not listed in the adapter specs but it should work...lol.
I would lay odds that wired HDMI out is not implemented in the kernel we have now. There are a few reports here that people lost wired HDMI out on Tab 3 after the Kit Kat update.

Well, I would think that the tab 4 would be supported as the tab 3 was, but that is why I am getting the cheap adapter rather than the official Samsung one (that one is around $75 on Amazon, but $35-$39 elsewhere). Having been in IT, I have found that most of the problems that people have are self induced, i.e. they did not read the instructions, or took shortcuts. It is worth noting that there seems to be two Samsung MHL adapters, one for the phones and one for the tablets. I do not know why they would do that, it does not make sense to me, as it causes too much confusion.
Eric

Samsung has a history of changing cables and adapters for various devices as this page explains better than most.
http://blog.clove.co.uk/2013/03/28/which-mhl-cable-should-i-buy/
I figure that they want to sell some $100 AllShare Cast dongles before they introduce an new hardware keyed 11 pin micro USB adapter!
I can confirm that my Canadian Tab 4 8.0 has the Samsung 11 pin micro USB jack.
I tried again after reading the reviews of that cable.....reboot both devices...powered from Tab 4 power wart....changed HDMI inputs on TV....screen mirroring on/off......NADA.....

Well, the Tab 4 does not support MHL. At the moment anyway. My 10.1 does have the 11 pin connector, AFAICT, but I get no results when plugging a cable in. BTW macbroom, my last post was not directed at you, just those who buy something and don't read the directions.
Eric

I recently purchased a AUVIO MHL adapter ( male micro USB to female HDMI) for my Galaxy Tab 4 10.1 (sm-t530nu). It uses a external power supply and also included the Samsung 11 pin adapter. I had read on a website that it does support MHL so I didn't think it would be an issue. However, it did NOT work and I tried with and without the adapter. After some browsing I found a miracast/allshare dongle on amazon for 22$ with free shipping and it works like a charm for the screen mirroring. I did notice while browsing that best buy had a "accessory kit" for the tab 4 10.1 that included a wall/car charger, OTG cable, and a MHL adapter. It was a dongle that plugged into your TV HDMI port and had a USB port that you connected the tab 4s charger to. So maybe it does support it and they just made changes to the connectors pins. It may have just been a mislabeled product also, who knows.

HDMI for Tab 4s
I, too have been attempting to get my new Tab 4 10.1 to display via HDMI. And, like others, have had less than helpful information from Samsung's CSRs.
The setup I use with my Samsung S5 phone doesn't seem to work for my tablet, regardless of the order in which I hook everything up
I read elsewhere that the issue was related to the 5-pin vs. 11-pin connection, but adding an adapter for that in the mix didn't work either.
I'm not familiar with the Miracast/Allshare dongle - but that plugs into the TV, right? I had hoped to be able to display movies to a TV while on vacation, so won't know what type of TV (or associated ports) might be available...
I've found this EEEKit which is listed for the Tab 4 (bestbuy dot com/site/eeekit-bundle-3-in-1-for-samsung-galaxy-tab-4-10-1-t530mhl-to-hdmi-cable-otg-cable-sync-cable/1311158404.p?id=mp1311158404&skuId=1311158404&st=eeekit%20hdmi%20%22tab%204%22&cp=1&lp=1#tab=buyingOptions ) but no comments or reviews yet.
So, does this Tab 4 go back to the store?
As a side note: Does anyone else find that a tablet released several months ago is still considered "too new" to have accessories? Especially with a feature (HDMI and screen mirroring) that isn't new? Geesh!

calail said:
I, too have been attempting to get my new Tab 4 10.1 to display via HDMI. And, like others, have had less than helpful information from Samsung's CSRs.
...So, does this Tab 4 go back to the store?
As a side note: Does anyone else find that a tablet released several months ago is still considered "too new" to have accessories? Especially with a feature (HDMI and screen mirroring) that isn't new? Geesh!
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As much as I hate to say it, the new Tab 4 is going back to the store! I spent some time at Best Buy with their in-store Samsung rep, who made calls to *SOMEWHERE* to verify that the Tab 4 IS NOT COMPATIBLE with MHL connections. He tells me, the only way to disply your Tab screen on a TV is through AllShare Cast. Of course, he was willing to sell me their $65 connector! Since I've already purchased MHL adapters to use with my phones, I really don't want to invest in something else for the Tab. Just not that important.

Don't forget that the Allshare Cast dongle checks the flash counter and other things and thus will not work on a rooted Tab 4 or any other device. Sadly nobody has figured out how to patch out the check yet despite it being a problem for quite a while.

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Don't forget that the Allshare Cast dongle checks the flash counter and other things and thus will not work on a rooted Tab 4 or any other device. Sadly nobody has figured out how to patch out the check yet despite it being a problem for quite a while.
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What do you mean? Im rooted and mine works flawless..

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What do you mean? Im rooted and mine works flawless..
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Well it definitely does on the Galaxy S3. I couldn't get it working at all, searched the forums here, and found that information. Oh, and did your rooting change the flash counter or the official/custom status at all?

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Well it definitely does on the Galaxy S3. I couldn't get it working at all, searched the forums here, and found that information. Oh, and did your rooting change the flash counter or the official/custom status at all?
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Ohh okay, you mean that Knox nonsense. No, sorry I didn't understand what you mean't by that. Sorry ive only owned a samsung for a few weeks. Ive only had a Atrix HD so im use to flashing until my hearts content with no repercussion. However, Towelroot doesn't change the counter on the TAB 4 so simply rooting shouldn't be a problem if done correct. That's pathetic however, they really take away someone's ability to cast their screen because they enjoy modding/ flashing their devices? Terrible road to choose for a company with such nice devices.

Well, the good thing is that Chromecast does work on the Tab 4's. The bad news is that screen mirroring is in beta, and only supported on a few devices, officially. If you search for 'Enable Mirroring from any device', you will fine a thread on how to mirror from almost any unit via chromecast. Even though it is beta, it works on my Tab 4.
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