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Well, I went to check out the T-Mobile branded Xperia Z C6606 at the Sony Style store and was disappointed to see that the bootloader is locked.
I was trying to get information online if it was locked or not but couldn'tget any confirmation. I know that it'sprobably locked by T-mobile, but I was hoping.
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All branded/carrier phones are. Tell us something new...
LenAsh said:
All branded/carrier phones are. Tell us something new...
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I've seen some phones in the past that were sold by T-Mobile or other carriers but were not bootloader locked. With T-Mobile's new business model and the fact that Sony was selling it outright at their stores, you would think that it should be unlocked.
All phones have locked bootloaders when they come from the store. 'Bootloader unlock allowed' means if it is allowed to unlock it yourself or not, but doing so will void your warranty and wipe your DRM keys (which are needed for Mobile BRAVIA Engine 2, MusicID/Gracenote, etc.).
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There is a carrier here in Spain that sells unlockable Xperias. It's the fourth mayor carrier so is not a shady one.
DrKrFfXx said:
There is a carrier here in Spain that sells unlockable Xperias. It's the fourth mayor carrier so is not a shady one.
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sim locked and locked bootloader are two separate things. >.>
usually when some stores states "selling unlocked xperia/galaxy/iphone/ etc.." it means the phone is unlocked and it can be used anywhere else. When you purchase a phone from a store (Sony store) or carrier (At&T) it is locked to them. In other words, the phone cannot be used with another sim card like T-Mobile, since the phone is locked to At&t.
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sim locked and locked bootloader are two separate things. >.>
usually when some stores states "selling unlocked xperia/galaxy/iphone/ etc.." it means the phone is unlocked and it can be used anywhere else. When you purchase a phone from a store (Sony store) or carrier (At&T) it is locked to them. In other words, the phone cannot be used with another sim card like T-Mobile, since the phone is locked to At&t.
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I totally understand what is sim and boot lock.
I've had in my hands a couple of Xperia devices from that company (Yoigo), one Xperia Mini Pro I think, and the other one a Xperia Z, and both had "Bootloader Unlockable: Yes" on the service menu.
I've read that some custom ROMs can still be flashed on this phone without unlocking the bootloader. Is this true?
skynet11 said:
I've read that some custom ROMs can still be flashed on this phone without unlocking the bootloader. Is this true?
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Yes, if they are based on the stock kernel.
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Yes, if they are based on the stock kernel.
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anyone have the basebands ftf for this model yet?
HoOnZ said:
I've seen some phones in the past that were sold by T-Mobile or other carriers but were not bootloader locked. With T-Mobile's new business model and the fact that Sony was selling it outright at their stores, you would think that it should be unlocked.
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T-Mobile isn't really known for locking bootloaders. Verizon on the other hand... When it comes to locked boot loaders it seems to be like this.
Locked carriers:
Verizon
at&t
Mostly unlocked carriers:
Sprint
T-Mobile
Phone brands locked:
HTC
Sony Xperia
sometimes LG
Phone brands not locked
Huawei
Samsung
This has just been my experience.
Will the roms in the development thread work on the TMO version? Might go pick this up in a week or two.
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Will the roms in the development thread work on the TMO version? Might go pick this up in a week or two.
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Only if they're based on the stock kernel. Something like 'for locked bootloader' has to be mentioned. They often have 'LB' in their titles.
Apollo89 said:
Only if they're based on the stock kernel. Something like 'for locked bootloader' has to be mentioned. They often have 'LB' in their titles.
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This maybe a stupid question, but I've never flashed a ROM on a locked bootloader. Will the roms still be able to be bloat and CIQ free?
i understand that the bootloader is locked for the t-mo version (c6606), but what about root?
i want to be able to run ti backup and get rid of all these ads...
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i understand that the bootloader is locked for the t-mo version (c6606), but what about root?
i want to be able to run ti backup and get rid of all these ads...
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locked bootloader has nothing to do with its ability of being rootable or not.
Root should run fine on tmo version.
LitoNi said:
locked bootloader has nothing to do with its ability of being rootable or not.
Root should run fine on tmo version.
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gotcha... just found out that the DooMLoRD Easy Rooting Toolkit was just updated to v17 to support my device...
all good now :good:
now i just need to upgrade to 4.2.2
I played with the TMO version today and find it inferior compared to my own C6602. The first problem is the branding and bloatware - yes it is bloated carrier style and a lot of TMO notifications where shown on the demo unit. One of the demo units had noticeable lag, much worse than my C6602 back in March on .350. The other one were smoother.
I managed to put System Tuner on one of them - it runs the standard Interactive governor and 384-1551 is the used frequencies.
The price tag was very high - $610, $579 with "appropriate plan". More expensive than in the Sony Store for an unbranded, unlocked and superior C6602.
I just don't see any reason to buy the TMO version when there is the C6602 available for less money (albeit at a small difference) that can be bootloader unlocked and optimized. Paying MORE for a carrier branded device? No way.
To those that feel that they need to talk LTE with me as a reason to buy the branded edition: wait for the Honami instead - it will offer a superior LTE radio, which means that it can be used on many carriers. I base this assumption on the nice multiband LTE radio that the Z Ultra offers.
After playing with the T-Mobile version, my recommendation of the C6602 instead is stronger than before.
To those that want to argue about prices: use a credit card instead if $539 is "too much".
t-mobile's wifi calling feature is the ONLY reason why i went with the C6606... having lte is nice too, i guess
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t-mobile's wifi calling feature is the ONLY reason why i went with the C6606... having lte is nice too, i guess
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I don't get the reason the have WiFi Calling when there is a little thing called Google Voice. I can make free calls to the whole US that way and even configure it as a 100% IP phone with GrooveIP. For international calls, I am using Viber or Voice (my relatives in Sweden use Viber so we have free calls).
To me, carrier bloat and locked bootloaders are total dealbreakers and I can't really see how WiFi Calling can compensate.
LTE? I will get it when I can buy a standard, unlocked device and use it. As long as I need carrier branding in order to use it - I say pass.
Evrybody who want's unlock your's Moto X for use any network:laugh:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.unlockunit.moto_x
looks shady...wonder if it really works
it says that the unlock code is not available for the phone.
hahahaah.
Code unavailable
I am unlock 3 xt1053 with imei code. SIM_UNLOCK.
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anyone success unlock with that apps?
Every US carrier should be selling the Moto X unlocked to start with; not sure about overseas (where it's sold). That's a pretty suspicious feedback pattern.
This is garbage, not free, just pay for it, did mine on cellunlocker.com for $7.99, fair price and cheap...imho
I wonder if it is possible to unlock Sprint Moto X to use on AT&T or T-Mobile
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just realized that Verizon's Moto X is already sim free. my att sim card works fine
aldouse said:
just realized that Verizon's Moto X is already sim free. my att sim card works fine
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wait, what??
you can use att sim card in your verizon moto x??
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anyone success unlock with that apps?
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I unlocked it. You might say it's not cheap but check with other providers. ATT codes for last phones ara pretty expensive.
poena said:
wait, what??
you can use att sim card in your verizon moto x??
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Many of VZW's GSM capable/world phones are unlocked on the GSM side.
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Many of VZW's GSM capable/world phones are unlocked on the GSM side.
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wow this is news to me. So can I use my VZW dev edition moto x overseas say in Asia on their GSM network?
poena said:
wow this is news to me. So can I use my VZW dev edition moto x overseas say in Asia on their GSM network?
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Yes. The VZW Moto X is capable of pentaband GSM with speeds up to HSDPA 42 - or 42 Mbps. Just no LTE outside of Verizon (well, I think it supports one of the T-Mobile bands).
I'm sure everybody already knows this, but just to confirm, here is a conversation with a Motorola rep I had:
Carl: Hi, my name is Carl. How may I help you?
Trevor: I was curious: what's the difference between the T-Mobile moto x and the developer editions, since both of their bootloaders are unlockable?
Carl: I will be more than happy to assist you on this.
Trevor: Is there any difference, because it's tempting to get a T-Mobile version so it can actually be customized.
Carl: The Developer Edition will have an unlocked Bootloader and the Developer Edition GSM will be unlocked with most GSM carriers.
Carl: The Developer Edition Verizon, will be locked with Verizon but will be unlocked for any non-US SIM cards.
Trevor: I use at&t, a GSM carrier, so I know after unlocking the bootloader on a T-Mobile phone, the carrier settings can be bypassed *and used on my network. But are there any actual hardware differences between the dev and T-Mobile versions? The way I understand it, they'll both have unlockable bootloaders.
Carl: The Developer Edition will only come with the 32 GB version.
Trevor: That's fine. I'd get a 32 GB T-Mobile version too. But am I right? The T-Mobile version is also bootloader unlockable, isn't it?
Carl: The MotoMaker Moto X will come with 16GB and 32GB.
Carl: Yes.
Carl: The MotoMaker Verizon and AT&T have a locked Bootloader.
Trevor: So why would I get the Dev version? Wouldn't it be smarter to get a T-Mobile version and unlock the bootloader AND have the benefit of getting a prettier phone?
Carl: Unlocking the Bootloader will void the warranty.
Carl: The Developer Edition will be unlocked for any GSM carriers right away.
Carl: With the Moto X MotoMaker version, you'll need to unlock the Bootloader first.
Carl: You'll also need the Subsidy unlock Code from the carrier to have it unlocked.
Trevor: Okay, so there's that. Are there limitations on using different bands of LTE , HSPA+ and HSPA with the T-Mobile phone on at&t's network?
Carl: Both versions will support these bands: GSM/GPRS/EDGE - UMTS/HSPA + up to 42 Mbps - CDMA/EVDO Rev. A (CDMA model only) - 4G LTE
Trevor: So they're essentially the same, if just void the warranty, and need a carrier unlock.
Carl: Correct.
I wonder how hard it is to unlock the carrier settings after the bootloader...
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I am under the impression that the T-Mobile motomaker is already unlocked(carrier) and Carl is a big fat lying jerk.
99% sure the T-Mo version comes SIM unlocked from the factory. Many have already answered this. I can confirm again today though. Already have a Developer Edition and my customized T-Mo edition is coming in today. I'm on AT&T so I'll know pretty quickly if it's locked to T-Mo.
I wonder how knowledgeable the website chat guys are. On Monday I had this conversation (copy and pasted exact, but names removed). I asked him specifically about the unlocked boot loader and voided warranty on the T-Mobile motomaker phone:
him: TMobile Edition supports the unlockable bootloader.
him: We have a new update for the warranty on the unlocked bootloader.
him: The warranty is no longer voided.
me: Is that on all phones and not just the developer phones?
me: If so that is excellent
him: That is for the phones that it is supporting the unlock boot loader but not for all phones.
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I read that to mean that if you can unlock the boot loader using the supported process, you can do it without voiding the warranty.
After finding the unlock page and reading it, I think he's wrong....or at least, misleading. Unlocking non-dev edition phones seems to void your warranty, full stop. But I'd love it if he is right...
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I am under the impression that the T-Mobile motomaker is already unlocked(carrier) and Carl is a big fat lying jerk.
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After everything I read up to this point I tend to agree.
It would be nice if someone who purchased the T-Mobile version and used it on AT&T network could confirm.
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I wonder how knowledgeable the website chat guys are. On Monday I had this conversation (copy and pasted exact, but names removed). I asked him specifically about the unlocked boot loader and voided warranty on the T-Mobile motomaker phone:
I read that to mean that if you can unlock the boot loader using the supported process, you can do it without voiding the warranty.
After finding the unlock page and reading it, I think he's wrong....or at least, misleading. Unlocking non-dev edition phones seems to void your warranty, full stop. But I'd love it if he is right...
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I'll tell you Dec 16th, my delivery date for my T mo motomaker customized baby that I'll be using with att. ( until march of next year when the contract is up and I'm giving att the boot for aio or straight talk)
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PACman Rom Nightlies
AJK 4.9 "the boss"
I'm starting to notice there is a lot of incompetence in their customer care. I still haven't managed to get any help getting my order shipped after a week. I'm starting to lose hope. Has anybody had any luck getting their shipping expedited?
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ps. cant unlock bootloader on tmobile....and customer service at moto say its locked and not unlockable.
Not that it's a huge deal but the VZW version is not SIM locked. You can use it on att/tmo without a need for unlocking the device contrary to what this conversation says.
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99% sure the T-Mo version comes SIM unlocked from the factory. Many have already answered this. I can confirm again today though. Already have a Developer Edition and my customized T-Mo edition is coming in today. I'm on AT&T so I'll know pretty quickly if it's locked to T-Mo.
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Did your phone come in and is it locked to T-mo?
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Did your phone come in and is it locked to T-mo?
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No, it got held up by the storm in Texas.
Hmm. With all of the mixed results on here, I'm not feeling as dumb about just getting the Dev Edition. I'd rather not risk getting another bootlocked phone like I did with my S4 Active (because the bootloader unlock on that phone is going SO well).
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I have been told by several Google reps on G+ that the only difference between the Tmo version and the Dev is that the warranty remains after unlocking the Dev. I believe them so I ordered one. We will see. Also have the Dev version coming. One is going back.
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kolyan said:
ps. cant unlock bootloader on tmobile....and customer service at moto say its locked and not unlockable.
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You have the tmobile version and can't unlock the bootloader?
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You have the tmobile version and can't unlock the bootloader?
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I think the only thing proven so far is that motos support reps are pretty clueless.
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/09/09/t-mobile-moto-x-added-to-motorola-bootloader-unlock-program/
https://motorola-global-portal.cust...sion/L3RpbWUvMTM4NjQ3NDc0NS9zaWQvaTlvX0pnSGw=
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I have been told by several Google reps on G+ that the only difference between the Tmo version and the Dev is that the warranty remains after unlocking the Dev. I believe them so I ordered one. We will see. Also have the Dev version coming. One is going back.
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Dear Motorola, what is the sense in a different warranty for ostensibly the same phone? It would maybe make some sense if there was some sort of qualification needed to purchase the 'Developer Edition' phone, but there isn't. I feel like getting a signature on my T-Mobile Moto Maker version...my signature will be "DEVELOPER EDITION". I plan on unlocking the boot loader of my phone and I would like Motorola to give me a rational reason why my warranty should be nullified if I do. Different colors and or letters printed on the back are not rational reasons to cancel a warranty.
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Dear Motorola, what is the sense in a different warranty for ostensibly the same phone? It would maybe make some sense if there was some sort of qualification needed to purchase the 'Developer Edition' phone, but there isn't. I feel like getting a signature on my T-Mobile Moto Maker version...my signature will be "DEVELOPER EDITION". I plan on unlocking the boot loader of my phone and I would like Motorola to give me a rational reason why my warranty should be nullified if I do. Different colors and or letters printed on the back are not rational reasons to cancel a warranty.
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Neither are 15mph school speed zones.They are completely ridiculous and traps for wrong doers, but it's the law. It's Moto/Carrier's law. Just the way it is.
By the way I agree with you, but it's the way it is. Dev only if you want bootloader unlock + warranty. End of discussion.
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I'm sure everybody already knows this, but just to confirm, here is a conversation with a Motorola rep I had:
Carl: The Developer Edition will have an unlocked Bootloader and the Developer Edition GSM will be unlocked with most GSM carriers.
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Just as a note, the bootloader is not PRE unlocked, it still requires you to do so using a code acquired from the moto site using fastboot and a command console.
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You have the tmobile version and can't unlock the bootloader?
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funmerlin said:
I think the only thing proven so far is that motos support reps are pretty clueless.
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/09/09/t-mobile-moto-x-added-to-motorola-bootloader-unlock-program/
https://motorola-global-portal.cust...sion/L3RpbWUvMTM4NjQ3NDc0NS9zaWQvaTlvX0pnSGw=
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Yes, they assured me that its a mistake and their website is wrong....
But as one guy said, I need to wait for my device to be added to their bootloader unlock database. So far I can't unlock it.
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Yes, they assured me that its a mistake and their website is wrong....
But as one guy said, I need to wait for my device to be added to their bootloader unlock database. So far I can't unlock it.
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Wait, a mistake as in you can unlock the bootloader without voiding your warranty with the T-mobile edition? Or, wrong as in you can unlock the bootloader and void your warranty in the process?
What phone that is (unlocked) comes closest to the Droid turbo 2?
Moto X Force, it's the unlocked version of the Turbo 2, not sure if it works on Verizon though.
It does not, if it did id already have it i was under the impression at a verizon store that i would be able to bl unlock this phone. but that was clearly a "white lie" verizon stores.. they say anything.. now im stuck with this awesome yet annoying phone. I'm trying to find an android device comparable that is able to be bl unlocked and rooted.
I am going to have to try to sell this DT2
Moto X Force works on Verizon, just or "just" without CDMA and LTE band 13 support.
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Moto X Force works on Verizon, just or "just" without CDMA and LTE band 13 support.
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Im sorry but without CDMA the phone won't work on verizon on top of that without band 13 support we wouldnt get LTE on top of that
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Im sorry but without CDMA the phone won't work on verizon on top of that without band 13 support we wouldnt get LTE on top of that
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force doesnt work on verizon.
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It does not, if it did id already have it i was under the impression at a verizon store that i would be able to bl unlock this phone. but that was clearly a "white lie" verizon stores.. they say anything.. now im stuck with this awesome yet annoying phone. I'm trying to find an android device comparable that is able to be bl unlocked and rooted.
I am going to have to try to sell this DT2
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Our phones are carrier unlocked as required by law, that's the only detail I would expect a store to know. If I asked the guy who sold me mine if I could unlock the bootloader on it he probably would have looked at me like I had two heads. I wouldn't expect a sales person in a Verizon store to know that detail.
Well that's quite unfortunate dang
The checkout page says delivery on 5/30 if ordered by 5/24.
Enjoy the $25 discount and no carrier bloat
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http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/all-phones/s/_/n-10+11+hv1rp/
Hit the heart to add it to your wishlist
http://www.samsung.com/us/account/wishlist/
Hit the preorder button
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I'm trying to get that $100 discount. Can you share the code if it is public?
Thank you.
Anyone else place an order on samsung.com today?
Did you get an email confirmation?
The preorder I placed on March 30th I got an email confirmation.
The preorder I placed on May 9th I received no confirmation email.
is this gonna have the snapdragon chip in it?
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is this gonna have the snapdragon chip in it?
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That's a question I need answered. In the U.S. Best Buy list it with snapdragon but on Samsung's website it's listed as the 8998-MC. Also I need to know if the bootloader will be unlocked.
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That's a question I need answered. In the U.S. Best Buy list it with snapdragon but on Samsung's website it's listed as the 8998-MC. Also I need to know if the bootloader will be unlocked.
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Snapdragon and locked bootloader
It's just a Sim Unlocked USA version
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Snapdragon and locked bootloader
It's just a Sim Unlocked USA version
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People on the Verizon Forum are saying the Verizon 8+ is already sim unlocked. And you can use AT&T and T-Mobile sims
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People on the Verizon Forum are saying the Verizon 8+ is already sim unlocked. And you can use AT&T and T-Mobile sims
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Its true but not 100% compatible without taking some extra steps that even many XDA members cant figure out
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People on the Verizon Forum are saying the Verizon 8+ is already sim unlocked. And you can use AT&T and T-Mobile sims
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Every Verizon phone is sim unlocked.
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Every Verizon phone is sim unlocked.
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And goodluck using it on Sprint if you unfortunately had them as a provider.
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And goodluck using it on Sprint if you unfortunately had them as a provider.
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? sprints the worse, especially in South florida
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Its true but not 100% compatible without taking some extra steps that even many XDA members cant figure out
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Like what? What's not compatible
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Like what? What's not compatible
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Some lte bands are missing. WiFi calling, volte, just about any carrier specific feature.
Anyone get tracking from Samsung on these unlocked ones?
I got tracking. Expecting it to hit my door tomorrow.