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[In Progress] Enabling "OK Google" While Screen if Off [help wanted!]

Friends--
If you're like me, you've found the native 'ok google' prompt to be a much faster / more elegant solution on lollipop than the moto middleman.
We can disable the moto software and enable the google implementation, however we are never given the option for it to work while the screen is off (and unplugged). We know that the hardware is there, so I am assuming that there is a flag somewhere that we need to change.
I'm going to start exploring on my own, but anyone else who can help look / has ideas on where to look, i figured this thread could be a group development project on this.
Looking forward to this!

Anyone have a thought on where to start looking?
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After disabling Moto Voice, go to the Google Settings app -> Search & Now -> Voice -> "Ok Google" Detection.
There you can set "Ok Google" to respond then the device is locked.

tobeannouncd said:
After disabling Moto Voice, go to the Google Settings app -> Search & Now -> Voice -> "Ok Google" Detection.
There you can set "Ok Google" to respond then the device is locked.
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Thanks this works better then the Native Moto App

I still believe it won't work with the screen off and unplugged!!!!

Its possible.
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Selected that and still doesn't work with screen off
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tjarvis said:
Selected that and still doesn't work with screen off
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Sorry, you have to hit the power button first and then it'll work. I forgot about that and couldn't test at the time I posted.
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Yes. So this is exactly my point, and exactly what I'm trying to figure out
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It's terrible and unfair! Motorola says they are giving the "Pure" Android Experience, no bloatware, just adding "Value Added" Software. Thank you Motorola, but give me a CHOICE! If you are FORCING your software on me, you are no better than Verizon!
This phone HAS the Instant On Hardware, and Lollipop Fully supports it. Again, thank you Motorola for your enhancements to Google Now (for those that like them). BUT for those of us that that don't, crippling Android Functionality is NOT the answer!!!
Give it back!!!

Cyber-Anna said:
It's terrible and unfair! Motorola says they are giving the "Pure" Android Experience, no bloatware, just adding "Value Added" Software. Thank you Motorola, but give me a CHOICE! If you are FORCING your software on me, you are no better than Verizon!
This phone HAS the Instant On Hardware, and Lollipop Fully supports it. Again, thank you Motorola for your enhancements to Google Now (for those that like them). BUT for those of us that that don't, crippling Android Functionality is NOT the answer!!!
Give it back!!!
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Then get a different phone that has the hardware....stop your crying.

bongostl said:
Friends--
If you're like me, you've found the native 'ok google' prompt to be a much faster / more elegant solution on lollipop than the moto middleman.
We can disable the moto software and enable the google implementation, however we are never given the option for it to work while the screen is off (and unplugged). We know that the hardware is there, so I am assuming that there is a flag somewhere that we need to change.
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I look forward to your findings. Being able to use Ok Google from the screen off state -while- unplugged would be nice to have. I'd bet dollar to doughnuts that moto disabled the necessary flag in order to allow their Voice middleware to function properly - without giving it the ability to set it back when Voice is disabled.
I think I've read something somewhere about flag 199? It's likely I'm mistaken though.
Good luck!

matt99017d said:
Then get a different phone that has the hardware....stop your crying.
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If you were as smart as your uncalled for, snide comment, you would KNOW it DOES have the hardware!

Cyber-Anna said:
If you were as smart as your uncalled for, snide comment, you would KNOW it DOES have the hardware!
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I realize that it does have the hardware....that is proprietary to Motorola. I was suggesting that you find a different phone that suits your needs.
Your right, it was uncalled for. Just as much as your baby rant.
So, back to being helpful. Have you tried tasker at all? I know there is a way with xposed and tasker, but we don't have xposed as of yet...

Cyber-Anna said:
It's terrible and unfair! Motorola says they are giving the "Pure" Android Experience, no bloatware, just adding "Value Added" Software. Thank you Motorola, but give me a CHOICE! If you are FORCING your software on me, you are no better than Verizon!
This phone HAS the Instant On Hardware, and Lollipop Fully supports it. Again, thank you Motorola for your enhancements to Google Now (for those that like them). BUT for those of us that that don't, crippling Android Functionality is NOT the answer!!!
Give it back!!!
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The hardware in the Moto X 2014 was designed to work with Motorola's implementation of screen-off voice recognition. Unfortunately the phone came out just a little too early to have the "standard" Google implementation since phones supporting that did not start coming out until ~1 month later.

It's not that easy
The X8 processing core in this device comes with a Natural Language Computing Processor NLCP core built in, which is a proprietary low power implementation. Therefore, the software portion that handles the output from the core is custom made by Motorola, and is not something that you find in the Android source tree, because a low power LCP core like the X8 never existed before. Similarly, the 'Ok Google' implementation is Google's proprietary implementation, part of the Google Suite of Applications, only to be installed as add-ons on devices that are compatible with 'Android Compatibility Definition Document'. The apps provided by Google usually do not undergo any OEM customizations.
To conclude, it's not as easy as enabling/ disabling a flag in the Android source to link to proprietary implementations from different vendors together.
P.S - Google's 'Ok Google' may work from from all the screens including a secure lock screen, but it cannot leverage the low power LCP core. This will impact your battery life !!!

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Its possible.
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Yeah got it to work yesterday (with the screen off) for about 2 hours. Then it started not to work at all. Went back to Moto native app and its hit and miss with the app. hopefully it get fix cause its pretty annoying that the reason why i got this phone is because of this feature.

Not only the response is slower and unstable but it is limited to a single person..
Native ok google never fails... Its quicker.. And allows my girlfriend to give commands to the phone on the car along with me...

This thread has a simple tasker profile to do this. http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1rfqsj/psa_note_3_has_always_listening_out_of_the_box/
That doesn't help me, since I would like the option to use both at the same time. What chip is the nexus 6 using, I thought they were close. Both TI dsps right? Would it be possible to trick now into thinking it is on a Nexus 6?

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This thread has a simple tasker profile to do this. http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1rfqsj/psa_note_3_has_always_listening_out_of_the_box/
That doesn't help me, since I would like the option to use both at the same time. What chip is the nexus 6 using, I thought they were close. Both TI dsps right? Would it be possible to trick now into thinking it is on a Nexus 6?
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Its the exact same chip. We should be able to have that feature working on ours as well. We'd have a better chance if we reach out to Motorola to make it possible. Just like switching on the ambient display, they should let us chose between google now or moto voice!

[Q] Double tap possible?

My new fancy moto x play is missing a decent feature to check whether I have new messages. I do dig the moto display function, but it isn't enough.
With the lack of a button on the front side of the phone you have to reach up to the side. It's a minor inconvenience, but still...
Double tap would be great wake the phone, but I doubt it can be done at this moment as there's no root yet.
Any thoughts?
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No root? We have root and custom ROMs. Just need a dev to add tap to wake to their custom kernel but we only have one person working on a custom kernel so far.
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ephumuris said:
No root? We have root and custom ROMs. Just need a dev to add tap to wake to their custom kernel but we only have one person working on a custom kernel so far.
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Ah yes, I was reading some older threads mentioning no root. Did some research to find TRWP indeed. Any thoughts on alternative to the double tap though?
Any alternatives for now that don't require root?

No I don't think there is anything quite like it sorry.
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i dont think is possible.
no Motorola got this feature with root or less.

zdeev said:
My new fancy moto x play is missing a decent feature to check whether I have new messages. I do dig the moto display function, but it isn't enough.
With the lack of a button on the front side of the phone you have to reach up to the side. It's a minor inconvenience, but still...
Double tap would be great wake the phone, but I doubt it can be done at this moment as there's no root yet.
Any thoughts?
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Double tap to wake or to sleep? To sleep is possible, but there's no way of activate the double tap do wake without Root (I believe it is possible if the kernel allows it, but I think It won't happen whatsoever).
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danger2u said:
i dont think is possible.
no Motorola got this feature with root or less.
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You can get double tap to wake with a kernel for the 2014 X, so I'm assuming it can be done.
zdeev said:
Ah yes, I was reading some older threads mentioning no root. Did some research to find TRWP indeed. Any thoughts on alternative to the double tap though?
Any alternatives for now that don't require root?
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If you use Squids kernel, you can enable the LED on the device. Yes there is one. No I won't tell you about it. Look around the X section. It's really the best way to find out the most about a device.

If you noticed, the moto app has a "screen function" giving you your notifs right away when you move your phone (when you take your phone for example). I use this feature to "wake the screen" and see the SMS or other notifications. Type "Moto" in the android apps search bar and open the Moto app to configure it. There's plenty of other cool features there too. The "speak to me" feature is really helpful when I drive. I can listen to texts, answer to them by voice recognition... Still some bugs sometimes but hey, nothing is perfect huh. Hope this helps.
Also, Automate, Trigger, Tasker and Agent are all apps that can an help you find a way to get over that design default. Everybody that used an LG G2-G3 and prolly G4 too knows how this double tap feature is killer.

MM 6.0 Sprint OTA is here

Downloaded....
Currently upgrading...
Sprint boot went from old yellow screen to new white one.
Will post more as we go.
OTA grabbed in So Cal.
What has been added (list will be updated as users post)
Off Screen Memo feature - turn on under spen settings
New spen air command pop up menu
Doze - under battery settings
Hidden Marshmallow game
App permissions
Personalized lock-screen message
scrolling screenshots
Does not have
Adopted Storage - works with S7 ADB workaround http://www.modaco.com/news/android/...e-adoptable-storage-on-your-s7-s7-edge-r1632/
Themes

Downloaded and installed on East Coast as well. Working nice.

Any screensots

diam_84 said:
Any screensots
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Here is one

What about ui any changes call app messages etc?any screensots please

So far as I can tell there is no theme settings which is a bummer. The new UI look is nice and updated, but not much else has changed. Just getting myself familiar with everything. I'm actually not too impressed so far, though I did better on the Marshmallow android game than on the Lollipop one xD
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Can any one make a video for the new software on youtube?

Has the hidden marshmallow game

App permissions and Personalized lock-screen message

Contact and message?

diam_84 said:
Contact and message?
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Are you talking do not disturb?

Sorry. Screensots

Personalized lockscreen message? Look no different than owner info on lollipop lol
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Thanks! Sprint's service is mediocre where I live but it's very cheap and they roll out updates promptly (or as promptly as Samsung allows). Still, no theming is disappointing even though they did bring over updates to the S-pen.
Time to look forward to N, if not OTA then via custom ROMs! The multi-window there is more robust and behaves more how I'd expect it to.

Adoptable storage will work if you use the S7 work around via ADB
http://www.modaco.com/news/android/...e-adoptable-storage-on-your-s7-s7-edge-r1632/

Anyone figured how to get Hotspot to work on stock unrooted?

xbmoyx said:
Anyone figured how to get Hotspot to work on stock unrooted?
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Nope but I will be waiting for it as well

copc said:
Nope but I will be waiting for it as well
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lol gonna piss off some guys at work tomorrow who have limited verizon plans that no more Pandora during work (for now anyway).

Also there's the option to turn off Fast Charge now, not sure if the previous had this option.

One more thing, even after your battery goes below 15% you can still adjust the brightness slider. It doesn't turn dark and dissappear now like it used to.

Lockscreen Direct Reply without unlocking

In official Nougat it seems Google did not add back in the option to direct reply to a notification without unlocking first, which was present in some of the developer previews...
Since it looks like it's not coming back, is there a 3rd party way that this can be done with or without root? It's definitely one of the most useful features that was available on the DPs and back when I was on iOS.
Thanks in advance!

Man thats the thing I loved in nougat -_-
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Say Bye to third party themes on pie.

Just thought I'd let those of you who can't root their note and didn't know that Samsung blocked all the ability to theme/change fonts on your phone from anywhere but their official theme store. So, if you have substratum and have purchased andromeda, themegalaxy, swift installer.....etc, you are SOL. In order for any of those to work, you'd have to have root. This is going to be my last Sammy phone ever. First they lock down their bootloaders (I know carriers are involved and want you to upgrade every year), then now are locking any third party themes. And to top it off, they are horrible at pushing updates/new software to their customers. If you buy a locked down phone, you'd get a couple of updates (I mean android versions not security updates) then you're stuck with an older version of android until you buy a new phone.
Just thought I'd throw this out there so you decide whether or not to update to pie. IF there is a way to block automatic updates.
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Swift installer still works

Isn't theme issues (whatever level of issues) on Pie have to do with Google killing it and not the phone OEM? Google killed call recording on Pie. They seems to be wanting to kill more and more features we've been depending on that have nothing to do with Samsung.

i have nova launcher on pie with a note 9 with no problems

Gil Smash said:
Swift installer still works
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That's not what the developer of the app said on the latest update. They announced that on their telegram chat. Wings fonts and theme Galaxy did, too along with some other themers. But I sure hope that you're right, though.
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roaduardo said:
Isn't theme issues (whatever level of issues) on Pie have to do with Google killing it and not the phone OEM? Google killed call recording on Pie. They seems to be wanting to kill more and more features we've been depending on that have nothing to do with Samsung.
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The developers mentioned that "Samsung blocked overlays (or something like that) on pie.
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wuelfman said:
i have nova launcher on pie with a note 9 with no problems
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Nova isn't a theme, it's a launcher and has nothing to do with this thread's subject. Lol
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K-alz said:
The developers mentioned that "Samsung blocked overlays (or something like that) on pie.
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The main issue from what I was told about from a theme developer, also read it a bunch of times when Pixel got the update, overlays are not going to as they used to work before. With every upstate, Google is doing work to kill overlays... Put is just the latest

le0.br4zuc4 said:
The main issue from what I was told about from a theme developer, also read it a bunch of times when Pixel got the update, overlays are not going to as they used to work before. With every upstate, Google is doing work to kill overlays... Put is just the latest
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I hope that the devs will find a work around. I don't know what's in it for Google to kill overlays. Their pixel doesn't even support themes. Just leave people alone.
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K-alz said:
I hope that the devs will find a work around. I don't know what's in it for Google to kill overlays. Their pixel doesn't even support themes. Just leave people alone.
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I think is has to do with Google slowly working towards making a dark theme systemwide, should be available on next version of Android. You can also expect even more difficulties using overlays on next Android.
Google is trying to tighten things up on Android. Do I like? No! But we can't say they are wrong to do it either.
I mean, look at how many Android devices are activated daily. Security lately is a much bigger concern for all companies and users. Blocking modifications and overlays is a way of making your phone more secure.

Thanks for sharing but I don't use third party themes anymore since most of them seems to drain the battery way too much

Why not just downgrade to Oreo 8.1 ? PIE-9 ONE UI Sucks at the moment.. Maybe 6 months or a years’ time it might get there and then ill upgrade!! Until then I’m sticking to 8.1 as it rocks!

im on pie and i change font by afont app in store and its work fine

K-alz said:
Just thought I'd let those of you who can't root their note and didn't know that Samsung blocked all the ability to theme/change fonts on your phone from anywhere but their official theme store. So, if you have substratum and have purchased andromeda, themegalaxy, swift installer.....etc, you are SOL. In order for any of those to work, you'd have to have root. This is going to be my last Sammy phone ever. First they lock down their bootloaders (I know carriers are involved and want you to upgrade every year), then now are locking any third party themes. And to top it off, they are horrible at pushing updates/new software to their customers. If you buy a locked down phone, you'd get a couple of updates (I mean android versions not security updates) then you're stuck with an older version of android until you buy a new phone.
Just thought I'd throw this out there so you decide whether or not to update to pie. IF there is a way to block automatic updates.
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I get the frustration, I think you may have some misplaced blame however. Right now I'm on Oreo Note 9, (SM-N960U1) root not possible, and wish I could stay on it, screw Pie and google. <-They are the ones you should be pointing at!
Hell, besides all the bugs on pie, they are the ones blocking us. Then there is that stupid apple-esque gestures, not to mention there terrible multitasking!! google has head-up you know what right now. (thank god Nova still works on pie)
Wait until you read about what Q is going to bring. Why in the hell is google going to help carriers by allowing SIM lock? nah, security or not, I've been saying for over two years now, google is not our friend. Sure I get it, revolutionary, and we all use them every day, but they are no longer a "good" company, but just after making money.
As far as Samsung locking down the bootloader, do you not think that the only way they can get our U.S. pile-o-crap carries to carry their phone, they have to? Hey I'm not sure about that, but I'd give it better the 70/30 that's why. Ya, you mentioned the same, and I agree, it's because of carriers.

rusty.gh said:
I get the frustration, I think you may have some misplaced blame however. Right now I'm on Oreo Note 9, (SM-N960U1) root not possible, and wish I could stay on it, screw Pie and google. <-They are the ones you should be pointing at!
Hell, besides all the bugs on pie, they are the ones blocking us. Then there is that stupid apple-esque gestures, not to mention there terrible multitasking!! google has head-up you know what right now. (thank god Nova still works on pie)
Wait until you read about what Q is going to bring. Why in the hell is google going to help carriers by allowing SIM lock? nah, security or not, I've been saying for over two years now, google is not our friend. Sure I get it, revolutionary, and we all use them every day, but they are no longer a "good" company, but just after making money.
As far as Samsung locking down the bootloader, do you not think that the only way they can get our U.S. pile-o-crap carries to carry their phone, they have to? Hey I'm not sure about that, but I'd give it better the 70/30 that's why. Ya, you mentioned the same, and I agree, it's because of carriers.
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Well, good for Samsung , Google and the carriers. This is going to be my last Samsung phone and through a carrier. It's either gonna be cheap mid-range phones or older iphone (like apple is any better lol)
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I have got a n9 thats unrooted for my daily.. just picked up a lgv30 for my audio and rooting fixes.
I might as well just settle in for the long haul until international phones are rootable and working on Verizon.
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Gil Smash said:
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So, I just spoke to the devs of swift installer and they confirmed that it will work on one UI. So, I hope that means substratum will work, too, maybe?
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drbveb88 said:
I have got a n9 thats unrooted for my daily.. just picked up a lgv30 for my audio and rooting fixes.
I might as well just settle in for the long haul until international phones are rootable and working on Verizon.
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Phones are everywhere now and the competition is very hot in the market. Samsung and the carriers can shove their non rootable phones up there @#$#. Imagine having a non rootable Samsung phone and you wanted to keep it for a while, you're literally stuck on one firmware for as long as you have that phone knowing how horrible Samsung updates are.
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K-alz said:
So, I just spoke to the devs of swift installer and they confirmed that it will work on one UI. So, I hope that means substratum will work, too, maybe?
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I'm running it on pie. It works for apps no problem. But system UI, settings, and some galaxy apps are not working right now.

therebel88 said:
I'm running it on pie. It works for apps no problem. But system UI, settings, and some galaxy apps are not working right now.
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I think it's because of the dark mode on Pie. I hope they'll have a work around so we can theme the system with other colors beside black or white.
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