Hello,I was considering of rooting my device. Yesterday,I rooted my device and today when i woke up there was 1 pink line on the phone.My screen wants replacement and i am afraid that warranty won't cover it.
P.S I didn't drop my phone or root caused this.It is just a common problem of galaxy s6,7 screens
Well it shouldn't be a problem in Europe. Where are you from?
paysen said:
Well it shouldn't be a problem in Europe. Where are you from?
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It didn't used to be (I had two warranty repairs on my S4 and Note 3, both with a tripped knox flag here in the UK for example) but now Samsung are being funny about it and it's far more hit and miss. In the last six months I've read about people being refused in the last few days, but I also read about someone having their S7 Edge replaced with a new device (again in the UK) after breaking their home button, and despite having tripped the knox flag. Basically, I suspect it depends what service centre it's sent to and what mood the engineer is in.
I bought the S7 Edge because I love the device but also because I was under the impression that the Knox flag trip didn't stop it being repaired if necessary. If my phone ends up with an issue (touch wood it doesn't of course) and Samsung refuse to repair it, I will never buy another Samsung phone. Not out of protest, as Samsung won't give a s**t about that, but because I don't want a device I can't root without losing the warranty. Root to me is too important.
I am from Greece.I called our Samsung service Center and they told me that if the knox is triggered then they have to replace the motherboard of the phone in order to repair anything.So the motherboard costs about 300€ .This is a joke 6 days old phone and have problem with the screen without even dropping it
kogi4ever said:
I am from Greece.I called our Samsung service Center and they told me that if the knox is triggered then they have to replace the motherboard of the phone in order to repair anything.So the motherboard costs about 300€ .This is a joke 6 days old phone and have problem with the screen without even dropping it
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If the implication here is that it's not possible to repair it without replacing the motherboard, then that is complete bulls**t and little more than a scam to get more money out of you you. There is absolutely no reason a screen can't be replaced on a phone with a tripped knox flag. Even if they refuse to do it under warranty thanks to the tripped flag, the most you should be charged is the labour to replace the screen and the screen itself.
If this is a new Samsung policy that no knox tripped device can be repaired without replacing the system board first (even if the fault is in no way related to the system board) then it's a new low from them.
But unfortunately, in terms of not getting it repaired for free, this is the chance you take with tripping your knox and you will have known that prior to doing it. Take it to a third party repairer would be my advice. It would be far cheaper, although you would risk no longer having your IP68 rating.
The vertical line was fixed itself today at the noon.When I went to home at the noon without having anymore this annoying line I placed it to the charger and i slept.When I woke up today at the afternoon the line was there again and the light sensor doesn't work too.
The light sensor doesn't work too
Update:
● The light sensor starated working somehow.
● The line is not stable. With that I mean that sometimes there are 2 lines and sometimes the line is thinner or bigger.
● 2 times the screen completely died for 2 minutes
Now there is only 1 line very very thin
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Hello all!
I decided to start this thread to share my recent experience with the Samsung service centre.
I live in the UK and last November I got a P600 16GB Note 10.1 2014. I was using it mainly for taking notes at university with Lecture Notes and for keeping the girl I babysit busy with a couple of games. During one of those babysitting sessions, the tablet fell on the floor. When I picked it up the screen had two dark patches on the left side but it was still working fine. I decided to reboot and unfortunately the screen never came on again. I could still hear the touch sounds, so I know the digitiser was intact, but the screen was not lit up. Furthermore, one of the hinges of the back cover seemed to have broken, as there was a visible gap between the bezel and the cover.
Firmware-wise, the phone was rooted, with the KNOX flag tripped, running a Colombian 4.4.2 firmware. Even the build.prop was modified to show the tablet as a Note Pro in order to get the fancy recent apps screen.
At this point, you may all think that I was screwed in terms of warranty, right? Well, those were my thoughts exactly! Nevertheless, I decided to send it to the service centre, as, for free or not, I wanted it fixed. I filed the service request online and only mentioned that I saw the dark spots and that the screen stopped lighting up. I did not mention the fall nor the rooting of course, although I was fairly certain that evidence of both was hard to miss.
To my great surprise, the tablet was fixed completely free of charge and returned to me by mail 17 days later!
Let the record show that I do not mean to say that rooting and tripping KNOX does not void your warranty. It just didn't in my case. And maybe, just maybe, each service centre have their own way of handling things like these.
Cheers!
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There are quite a few posts across the various Samsung forums like yours where warranty repairs were provided on rooted KNOX tripped devices. In fact, I've never seen a post where Samsung denied warranty coverage for a "non-official" device when the problem itself was unrelated (EG: bad headphone jack, dead display). You lucked out because dropping your tablet and causing it to malfunction is pretty clearly not a warranty covered repair.
Here's Samsung's official definition of what the KNOX warranty bit is for and how it works. That it universally and completely voids a device's warranty when tripped is mostly XDA folklore.
By Peng Ning, VP, Samsung Enterprise Security Group, on Wed, 12/04/2013
When it comes to rooting, there have been some questions regarding Samsung’s KNOX-enabled devices and if they can, or should, be rooted at all. We do not recommend that you root your device, since it can cause software problems, cause your device to operate improperly (for example, overheat), and as a result void your warranty.
To further illustrate how this works, the “KNOX Warranty Void” bit (or simply KNOX bit) is used to detect if a non-KNOX kernel has been loaded on the device. It is a one-time programmable bit in e-fuse, which can only be turned from “0” to “1” (i.e. burned). If a non-KNOX boot loader or kernel has been put on the device, KNOX can no longer guarantee the security of the KNOX container. As a result, this KNOX bit will be burned to “1”, indicating that this device can no longer use the KNOX container service.
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
you got lucky, now order a trident case asap
Different country
I will not trip my knox counter (until my P601 warranty last) :silly:
My S4 is acting very weird any help would be great, a few days ago a touches the power button to wake my phone and the screen did not respond, but I'm noticing that I slide my finder as soon as I press the wake/power on button it responds but then it stop ..... anyone else has had the same issue ???? and if so is it possible to solve it without an expensive trip to a support person, btw I no longer have coverage from my company to take it in and have it fixed
You are completely stock?
I have exactly the same issue.Got the Phone from a Friend,noticed it acts like you described and thought it will fix itself after beeing rooted and flashed with a custom ROM (i killed Knoxcounter with that,3xx days Warranty left down the drain).
Nothing will help,no factory reset/cachewipe/reflashing of stock-firmware or any Xposed Crash-Fix-Module.
I changed the battery,used it without SD Card,without SIM and even tried the "Secure Mode" Samsung support suggested.
I`ve read some posts about this problem and everyone that reported back said he had to hand over the device to Samsung and got either a replacement board or a new Device alltogether.
Expect 200€ costs (as i do,since i would love to totally kill the board so Samsung doesn`t see the Knoxcounter but don`t know how and i think they find a way to see whats up),i will send mine in tomorrow i guess...
Tlailaxu said:
I have exactly the same issue.Got the Phone from a Friend,noticed it acts like you described and thought it will fix itself after beeing rooted and flashed with a custom ROM (i killed Knoxcounter with that,3xx days Warranty left down the drain).
Nothing will help,no factory reset/cachewipe/reflashing of stock-firmware or any Xposed Crash-Fix-Module.
I changed the battery,used it without SD Card,without SIM and even tried the "Secure Mode" Samsung support suggested.
I`ve read some posts about this problem and everyone that reported back said he had to hand over the device to Samsung and got either a replacement board or a new Device alltogether.
Expect 200€ costs (as i do,since i would love to totally kill the board so Samsung doesn`t see the Knoxcounter but don`t know how and i think they find a way to see whats up),i will send mine in tomorrow i guess...
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Why are you so sure that Samsung won't fix it? I see you use €, that means you are in the EU.
No rooting, flashing, will ever void your consumer rights. So the store you bought it from still has to fix it, if it's a hardware failure.
Here in the Netherlands Samsung will always fix your phone even if you bricked it. So don't believe those stories about tripping Knox voiding warranty. Because in a lot of cases it's just not true.
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Why are you so sure that Samsung won't fix it? I see you use €, that means you are in the EU.
No rooting, flashing, will ever void your consumer rights. So the store you bought it from still has to fix it, if it's a hardware failure.
Here in the Netherlands Samsung will always fix your phone even if you bricked it. So don't believe those stories about tripping Knox voiding warranty. Because in a lot of cases it's just not true.
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Well,i am not sure but its a 50/50 chance and i am scared that they will refuse since it goes to a Samsung Certified Repaircompany and if you look at this post here,it doesn´t sound like they will overlook the knox-thing
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56694012#post56694012
This person is from Germany,i live there too at the moment
edit: to clarify,i can not return it to the store the device was bought from.They say,after 1 year i have to handle this with Samsung directly
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Well,i am not sure but its a 50/50 chance and i am scared that they will refuse since it goes to a Samsung Certified Repaircompany and if you look at this post here,it doesn´t sound like they will overlook the knox-thing
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56694012#post56694012
This person is from Germany,i live there too at the moment
edit: to clarify,i can not return it to the store the device was bought from.They say,after 1 year i have to handle this with Samsung directly
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It's not allowed what Samsung is doing.
And your store has to accept it. You should look at some consumer sites in your country. It's probably at least 2 years that they have to fix it for you (it could be longer, but not less).
The Shop grants 1 Year Warranty (which the device is over since 2 months or so) and Samsung offers a 2 Years period (first year covered trough the shop,so THEY have to deal with Samsung and you have to deal with Samsung for the remaining Year if anything goes wrong).
Samsung clearly states that the warranty is void if you trigger the knox-counter so it is up to the repaircenter to do it or not.Since i think they are "doing it by the book",the first thing they do is check Knox.If it is triggered,they will not even open it or see what the problem is,they will notify you that the warranty is gone because of Knox.
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The Shop grants 1 Year Warranty (which the device is over since 2 months or so) and Samsung offers a 2 Years period (first year covered trough the shop,so THEY have to deal with Samsung and you have to deal with Samsung for the remaining Year if anything goes wrong).
Samsung clearly states that the warranty is void if you trigger the knox-counter so it is up to the repaircenter to do it or not.Since i think they are "doing it by the book",the first thing they do is check Knox.If it is triggered,they will not even open it or see what the problem is,they will notify you that the warranty is gone because of Knox.
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The shop isn't allowed to give 1 year warranty. It's at least 2 years.
As I said, check German consumer sites. See for example this:
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroad/guarantees/index_en.htm
Thats what they told me,it was basically "get in contact with Samsung,we wouldn`t do anything different".Thing is,i just asked a techguy from a certified Samsung-Repaircompany on another Forum IF they refuse to act on warranty if they notice Knox is on 0x1 and he said something like "we check for tampering with the software/rooting and refuse to repair on warranty if there is an indication for it.Knox on 0x1 counts as indication".
So,there is no way to send it in and expect them to replace the board without payment.
There u have it folks!
I'm SPEECHLESS!!!! Walked in to a NYC Samsung repair center today, with a cracked glass on my back panel.
No -- I understand that I've voided the warranty by tripping knox, but to refuse a to-be-paid, out-of-warranty glass replacement because I have my phone rooted and their "hardware tests are failing" and that's the Samsung policy?????
Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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There u have it folks!
I'm SPEECHLESS!!!! Walked in to a NYC Samsung repair center today, with a cracked glass on my back panel.
No -- I understand that I've voided the warranty by tripping knox, but to refuse a to-be-paid, out-of-warranty glass replacement because I have my phone rooted and their "hardware tests are failing" and that's the Samsung policy?????
Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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Wow - really? That sounds like someone has misinterpreted the policy. It's an out of warranty job that should be reasonably charged and that's that - what has knox got to do with anything? Even if the Knox flag wasn't tripped it would still be an out of warranty job. I'd complain to the store manager and probably to Samsung's social media contacts as well because that just doesn't sound right.
Knox cannot affect any repair, paid or not. USA has a law same as the EU about having the right to modify your own phone.
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I'd complain to the store manager and probably to Samsung's social media contacts
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This came from the store manager -- and trust me, I made my best effort to get all the same points across. The exact wording was this: "as an Authorized Samsung Repair Center, we're obligated to perform a series of hardware tests before returning the phone to the customer. Our hardware tests started failing right away because you have a tripped KNOX counter, so we couldn't proceed with the repair. It's the Samsung policy". Period. I guess their test #1 is, if Knox counter is greater than 0, FAIL. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer and see if I can somehow claim that Samsung wrongfully exposes me to a health hazard (being cut by broken glass) by refusing the repair under a made-up pretext.
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This came from the store manager -- and trust me, I made my best effort to get all the same points across. The exact wording was this: "as an Authorized Samsung Repair Center, we're obligated to perform a series of hardware tests before returning the phone to the customer. Our hardware tests started failing right away because you have a tripped KNOX counter, so we couldn't proceed with the repair. It's the Samsung policy". Period. I guess their test #1 is, if Knox counter is greater than 0, FAIL. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer and see if I can somehow claim that Samsung wrongfully exposes me to a health hazard (being cut by broken glass) by refusing the repair under a made-up pretext.
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Sounds like the manager is an idiot tbh.
His explanation makes no sense whatsoever.
The whole Knox status voids warranty in the States is crap but even that is irrelevant.
I'd make a noise on their twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc and probably give their customer service line a call as well (assuming they have one there?) as this manager's stance just doesn't make any sense
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They are just covering their assess. It's failing a test they perform to make sure everything is in working order. So what happens when they repair the screen and something is not working properly, they will be on the hook to fix it. That being said I don't understand why they can't say if any other problems are there you will have to pay for the fix.
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Today I flashed stock recovery, stock kernel, stock ROM, did a factory reset and went back to the same center. I wanted to ask them to retry the same hardware tests again to see if maybe they succeed this time, with all software being stock. They obviously recognized me from the day before, checked the KNOX counter and just reiterated what I had suspected from the outset; that's it's not really about any "hardware test failing", but a straightforward policy. If KNOX is tripped, don't touch the phone for any reason. The manager said, "we have to guarantee any repair work for 90 days. If KNOX is tripped, we can't do that." They told me to try my luck with their main corporate office in Dallas. I guess I'll give it a shot.
Samsung REFUSES a Paid, Out-of-warranty Glass Replacement CITING TRIPPED KNOX...
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Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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Why would they change their policy if people just go out and buy a replacement ? They win, they now have two sales instead of one.
Seems redundant & contradictory being 'outraged' and then to open your wallet and give them more cash.
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Knox cannot affect any repair, paid or not. USA has a law same as the EU about having the right to modify your own phone.
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Not sure where your getting EU info from but it's incorrect. They still void your hardware warranty and can refuse repairs / service of any description in the EU if your Knox efuse has been tripped.
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I will have to find it. Modifying your phone is a legal right in the UK same as usa. If your modification is the cause of the issue they can charge but if unrelated they can't and the warranty remains.
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Why would they change their policy if people just go out and buy a replacement ? They win, they now have two sales instead of one.
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Nah, come on, I am sure the aim of this policy was not to squeeze the last penny out of their bottom line. it's a major international conglomerate! They sell millions of appliances in every country of the world! This policy literally came out of the mouth of some lazy bureaucrat in charge of handset service, who basically took a quick shortcut and called it a day instead of thinking through the many different possibilities! Hey, to me being out of a few hundred bucks is not the end of the world either. But it's just so WRONG on so many levels! It sends a BAD message about Android, and a BAD message about Samsung! This was not meant to be an Apple shop! I fell in love with this phone -- I switched from HTC One, and I EVEN switched from ATT to TMobile just so I can have unlocked bootloader and modify to my heart's content! And now they're gonna give me this nonsense about tripped KNOX when my issue is broken glass?? BAD, WRONG, STUPID policy! Gosh, I wish I could get this message to a higher level executive rather than customer service.
Anyway, I called the main Dallas headquarters, told them about tripped KNOX and my experience at the NYC center, and the rep told me to send it in to their main service center anyway and see what happens. He wouldn't say if tripped KNOX would be a deal breaker or not. He said generally tripped KNOX is a big deal, but they have more sophisticated equipment than the regional centers typically, they'll examine the phone, see "how" Knox was tripped and take it from there. Sending it in today and going to be without a phone for the next week or so. Hoping for common sense to prevail..
Common sense? Come on, you know that has no place in here...
Personally I have never understood how a software issue could be used to deny a warranty or repair claim on something like a shattered screen. I mean seriously, I now have root access, how did that make my screen crack? Now if my radio or something went wonky I could understand. But a broken screen???
May I suggest buying a replacement glass and making the fix yourself ? I did this myself 3 times on my Z3c and it's actually very easy to do.
This phone isn't really the Z3...
True, but the process should be the same. Heat it up with a hairdryer, remove and then install the new back cover which already has the adhesive on it.
You can watch a tutorial here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RD44M4J-Rk
And for replacement parts I used this website http://www.witrigs.com/replacements-for-samsung-galaxy-s6-edge
If you don't feel confident about doing this yourself you can go to any phone service and they will do it for you on the spot for a small charge of course.
Should not cost you more than 30$, I bet Samsung will charge a lot more (that is if they agree to repair it).
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And for replacement parts I used this website
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Wow! Unbelievable! Thank you so much for the reference! The phone feels so solidly built that I didn't even think of researching this because I thought messing with it by hand is totally out of the question! I have it currently shipped to Dallas service center, but if rejected, I will definitely try this! :good:
Update: phone was rejected by the Samsung main service center. "BER", "beyond economic repair". Pathetic.
I've ordered the replacement glass on ebay! Looking forward to making the repair myself! Thanks @kind3r!
*09/09/2015//19:18:50//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 6:13 PM-PBA Inspection: The unit has left the technician. SOLUTION: BER
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Device rooted/Knox warranty failure
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9/9/2015 7:41 AM-Jennifer Bastardo: Accessory: sim card tray
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9/9/2015 7:41 AM-Jennifer Bastardo: The unit has been received. Pack Condition: Fair Packaging (Box & Cushion)
Wth, Bastard..o
Good luck with the DIY repair, please let us know how it turns out.
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Yeah, figures ...
What I don't understand is why ... the warranty is void anyway and it will be void the next time you turn in your phone anyway.
Perhaps they don't want to assume responsibility for damages that their technicians may do during this repair.
Good luck with your repair, I suggest using some guitar picks so you don't risk scratching the frame.
Also be careful with the broken glass as it may shatter.
That's interesting. Cracked my screen, sent it in for repair and they fixed it even with a tripped Knox counter. But that service center is a douche for doing that. And it sucks that Samsung has one of the best hardware in many expects so sometimes just saying I'm done with Samsung just may not seem like an options if you want top of the line android.
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Hey guys! My baby looks brand new again! Check out a pic! (I put the broken glass in the packaging in which the replacement arrived).
Ended up paying $17 for the glass on ebay and repairing myself. Come to think of it, having rooted my phone I walked away with a much better deal! lol Thanks again to all who stepped forward with advice!
Hey guys, I'm in Europe and I have a question.
Back at the end of January, my phone started having a bright horizontal line that would run from top to bottom of the screen. And this would come and go. After a couple weeks, I realized that vibration (whether from the phone itself or the surface it was on) as well as applying pressure to the top right side of the screen or face would cause this to come and go. I even figured out I could shake it and have this happen. So something was loose. I chatted with samsung germany, and even after explaining this to them, they still had me factory reset the phone, which I did. That didn't work, so they wanted me to send it in. It took me a couple weeks to find a replacement phone, but I did and I sent my S7 Edge to Samsungs service center two Fridays ago.
They just sent me an e-mail telling me that it isn't covered by warranty because this was caused by rooting the phone. This is clearly a hardware issue. Furthermore, I thought in Europe it didn't matter if you rooted your phone. I've only ever had to send in my LG G4 for warranty, and they had no problem with it being rooted. What gives? What are my rights?
I feel like deciding never to buy a Samsung product again, and I'm in the market for a new tablet. So on a related note, any better tablets out there?
shiboby said:
Hey guys, I'm in Europe and I have a question.
Back at the end of January, my phone started having a bright horizontal line that would run from top to bottom of the screen. And this would come and go. After a couple weeks, I realized that vibration (whether from the phone itself or the surface it was on) as well as applying pressure to the top right side of the screen or face would cause this to come and go. I even figured out I could shake it and have this happen. So something was loose. I chatted with samsung germany, and even after explaining this to them, they still had me factory reset the phone, which I did. That didn't work, so they wanted me to send it in. It took me a couple weeks to find a replacement phone, but I did and I sent my S7 Edge to Samsungs service center two Fridays ago.
They just sent me an e-mail telling me that it isn't covered by warranty because this was caused by rooting the phone. This is clearly a hardware issue. Furthermore, I thought in Europe it didn't matter if you rooted your phone. I've only ever had to send in my LG G4 for warranty, and they had no problem with it being rooted. What gives? What are my rights?
I feel like deciding never to buy a Samsung product again, and I'm in the market for a new tablet. So on a related note, any better tablets out there?
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Rooting a Samsung phone has always voided the warranty. Some countries strictly enforce this other do not.
If it was a motherboard problem, the service centre would not have noticed the rooting flag and replaced the hardware with no questions asked. But since your problem involved the screen not the motherboard, service centres have the option of enforcing the warranty at their discretion.
You can either ask for the phone back and use it as is or pay for the repair.
Any rooted phone voids any warranty the manufacturer carries.
When you root your phone, you get these messages that pop up telling you that if you continue, you will probably void your warranty.
They put those warnings there to let you know before you start.
I know my replies can be long, but would rather give too much info, than not enough.
In Europe, your statutory warranty cannot be refused just because of the phone being rooted. That warranty, however, is with the business that sold you the phone, not with Samsung directly. Maybe try and go back to the seller (though you may have to argue your case to make them comply with their legal obligations!).
I'm from Portugal.
My phone is rooted I had to send it to service for repair and had zero problems.
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In Europe, your statutory warranty cannot be refused just because of the phone being rooted. That warranty, however, is with the business that sold you the phone, not with Samsung directly. Maybe try and go back to the seller (though you may have to argue your case to make them comply with their legal obligations!).
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so I would have to deal with Amazon Germany? That is a freightening thought, since they just had so many mess ups at the end of last summer that I actually cancelled my membership.
Do you have any law or other thing I could point to that would show them they have to replace the phone?
for the past years i been using samsung phones, wherever i had an issue i took it my carrier they replaced it for free
i had note 3 with burn camera sensor, s7 edge that didnt turn on they replaced the broken hardware for free.
this time, i had a Pink line on my screen, my phone have never been dropped, the issue is well documented
but samsung voided the warranty because the phone was knox was tripped, the phone was on stock firmware.
refused to repair it, charged 300$ to change the screen.
so pretty much , now they going hard with warranty and refuse to fix issues , even if they are manufacture defects, if knox warranty is tripped.
anyone know a brand that doesnt void warranty if rooted?. samsung install too much bloatware not to root
Which country you live in?
OnePlus phones...