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a REAL iPhone 4 vs Samsung Galaxy S Article

I'm not really too sure what engadget is trying to get across. The only thing I saw was the microscopic shot comparison as having any validity. But even then, if you need to 10x magnify a screen to see the difference, is it really worth it?
Then, they go and show pictures of the Super AMOLED display, which people are going to be seeing on an LCD!
So I took it upon myself to write up an article on my group blog, *visually* showing what the difference truly is.
Disclaimer: I own/operate the blog to the article link I am about to post.
http://www.brainlazy.com/article/smartphone/iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s
Let me know what you guys think. I'm currently getting all of the features into a Galaxy S review.

Nice analogies man hahaha. Good read

The Galaxy S camera isn't "Back-side illuminated" - you should correct your comparison table.

You really need to get your eyes checked if you need to be closer than 30 cm to see the pixels of the pentile screen. The only thing better about the Super Amoled screen is the blacklevels - that's it(besides size that is). The colors are off, the whites are pretty dim, the shadow detail is usually colored(due to the pixel structure) and you can clearly see color-banding which you cannot on the IPS display of the iPhone.
The Galaxy S is a better phone imho, but when it comes to the display the iPhone 4 has the SGS beaten.
EDIT: The SGS has a a Li-Ion battery not Li-Pol.

Anyone speak Italian?! If so look at this: youtube.com/watch?v=NMsl7ceJuK4

Hey guys, thanks for the input. Does anyone have a link to the camera sensor? I had asked a Samsung Representative if they used a back-side illuminated cmos sensor and they replied in the affirmative.
Also, on this page: http://galaxys.samsungmobile.com/specification/spec.html?ver=low
They list the battery type at 1500 mAh li-pol.
I do agree the interpolated nature of the display has color banding issues, however, pixel density is a bit over rated. If you are critical of the SGS display at 30cm, I wonder how you've managed to cope with every computer monitor available today at 60cm. Even a 20" screen at 1080p is 111PPI, FAR lower than the SGS even with accounting for PenTile Matrix.
And if you can only list black levels as superior to LCD, maybe you need to play more fast paced video games. Response rate is critical. Between black levels and response rate, these are attributes that LCD will never be able to attain.
About color accuracy, I guess it's a toss up. Muddy blacks or color banding. Providing the amount of gradiation isn't intense, it's (almost) a non-issue. Shadowing (like you said) in media is a worry. But for most applications, you generally don't see long sprawling gradients.
And, I suppose pixel density is also subjective. I'd prefer to have true black and an immediate response rate. Also, while I can see the tiny little dots of pixels on my SGS at 30cm, they blend it very nice. Much nicer than my desktop monitor.

superb article. hilarious and [email protected]

Agreed, I had a blast reading the article.
It's a perfect to explain the difference to the technically challenged people that thinks Iphone4 is the holly grail.
now, the next best way to show technically challenged people is by having another one of these cool comparison but using an Iphone4 instead.
HTC Desire vs. Galaxy S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpP5QljEqow
assuming some one manages to run Quake 2 on an Iphone4 LOL

btw in the chart near the end, you listed the gyro as Captivate model only, but its on all us models as far as I'm aware

Yea, I have to update the info since the NYC event. Also Samsung used lower numbers for response rate and contrast ratio, so I have to change my dollars/cents thing.
They lowered it exactly by half on each. So instead of 100,000:1 CR, they said 50,000:1. And instead of Response rate at 1 micro second they said 10 microseconds. Which is an order of magnitude different, but still very very nice.
Basically the the money will be chopped in half. Either way, I double checked with a Samsung rep and when I fix those things up, the chart will be accurate.

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Thanks. Great article.
Can't see the images though.
thephawx said:
I'm not really too sure what engadget is trying to get across. The only thing I saw was the microscopic shot comparison as having any validity. But even then, if you need to 10x magnify a screen to see the difference, is it really worth it?
Then, they go and show pictures of the Super AMOLED display, which people are going to be seeing on an LCD!
So I took it upon myself to write up an article on my group blog, *visually* showing what the difference truly is.
Disclaimer: I own/operate the blog to the article link I am about to post.
http://www.brainlazy.com/article/smartphone/iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s
Let me know what you guys think. I'm currently getting all of the features into a Galaxy S review.
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Yea the images are missing for me too! When i click where they should be, i get a 404 not found error.

Samsung is a genious...
Many dumbasses would say "The Galaxy S" doesnt have Flash is a BAD THING..
But to me.. its a GOOD THING ... iPhone 4 uses Single LED flash... This type of flash doesnt even have enough power to make a difference in your picture quality.. its more like a BULL**** feature to trick noobs to buy it.
You need at least a Dual LED/Xenon Flash...

Toss3 said:
The only thing better about the Super Amoled screen is the blacklevels - that's it(besides size that is). The colors are off, the whites are pretty dim, the shadow detail is usually colored(due to the pixel structure) and you can clearly see color-banding which you cannot on the IPS display of the iPhone.
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Your kidding right? I've compared my phone to my mates iPhone 4 and the SGS is clearly superior. It has far better color and webpages are easily readable without zooming in whereas on the iPhone, it's a different story.
Obviously, we compared the two phones at full brightness. He has also returned his new iPhone and continues to use his 3g instead which aesthetically, looks better than the iPhone 4.

Billus said:
Your kidding right? I've compared my phone to my mates iPhone 4 and the SGS is clearly superior. It has far better color and webpages are easily readable without zooming in whereas on the iPhone, it's a different story.
Obviously, we compared the two phones at full brightness. He has also returned his new iPhone and continues to use his 3g instead which aesthetically, looks better than the iPhone 4.
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How come he returned his iphone4 is he going to get a Samsung S?

Billus said:
Your kidding right? I've compared my phone to my mates iPhone 4 and the SGS is clearly superior. It has far better color and webpages are easily readable without zooming in whereas on the iPhone, it's a different story.
Obviously, we compared the two phones at full brightness. He has also returned his new iPhone and continues to use his 3g instead which aesthetically, looks better than the iPhone 4.
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I'll take the Galaxy S hands down any day of the week, particularly the screen and OS. However,
Obviously, we compared the two phones at full brightness.
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I just flat out disagree with this testing procedure. It's borderline retarded IMHO.
[*]Firstly, especially with the webpages with reading (the thing you brought up half a line prior, though albeit in a different paragraph) reading demands low brightness.
[*]Secondly, read the posts here, everyone is turning the brightness to "0%", low, and even download an app that brings that "0%" down to true 0% rather than the 8% that it actually uses. People are doing this because it's easier on the eyes, saves battery and a multitude of other reasons.
[*]Thirdly, this screen is plenty bright without full brightness. Even in direct sunlight you don't need this at full brightness, the screen is that good (again, love it)
Really, in summary, the way you should test both devices is the real-world usage scenario. Anything else and all you are doing is showing off it's potential, not it's practical use. Again, I think I've posted here or another thread or both how much I was against the Engadget test, particularly because they lead with the macro lens shots. To me, that was sensationalist, they were trying to either get "oohs and ahhs" or make Apple look as good as possible. Either way, that's journalism at its worst and not even something I want to read in a blog I visit. However, to do something like turn brightness up all the way is just a tiny bit better...unless this is actually how you or your friend would use the device regularly. Again, I believe that each device can even, have an independent setting, one at 0% and one at 100% if that's how the user would typically use the device. To get back to my Engadget point, that's why it's important to give as many views and settings as possible. Compare them all, find out where one's strengths lie because you have such a wide audience. However, I'm not sure how many people use a macro lens to view their device on a daily basis, so leading with that is just retarded. Do I think it's completely irrelevant? Maybe not as perhaps there are some people who wouldn't get the detail needed because they have near super-human perfect vision where they can detect all these things that are too minor to even be called subtleties.

I have to say that in terms for average daily use, there isn't any real practical difference between the two phones at face value. I have a SGS, my wife has the iPhone 4 btw. But that being said, after spending any length of time with the iPhone 4, you will notice a difference once you go back to the SGS. If may not be initially obvious, but your eyes will be able to discern the difference.
If you're using the phone to read mucho text, I'm sorry, there is no way the SGS can trump the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 retina display is a beautiful one and I guarantee that if you use both for decent amount of time with an unbiased mind, you WILL notice the difference in terms of text definition and clarity.
However, when it comes to motion and movies, the SGS takes a dump all over the iphone. The iPhone, whilst still great to watch movies on, can't compare to the far superior contrast, colours, and vibrancy of the SGS AMOLED screen. When you have motion on screen and you're not squinting at text, the high pixel density, to me, almost doesn't even factor into the equation anymore.
So there's my two cents. I wouldn't trade my SGS for her iPhone 4 at all, however, I would probably sing a different tune if I did a lot of e-reading or web browsing on my phone. After using the iPhone to browse text for even a few minutes, I hated going back and doing the same on my SGS. Anyway, to say one display is practically (not technically) superior to the other only depends on the purpose of which you'll be using it for. Both are great and I don't see why people have to argue the point that one has to be better than the other.

hmm... i like reading my webpages at full brighness
i hate dim LCD or any kind of screens

Ptechnix said:
I have to say that in terms for average daily use, there isn't any real practical difference between the two phones at face value. I have a SGS, my wife has the iPhone 4 btw. But that being said, after spending any length of time with the iPhone 4, you will notice a difference once you go back to the SGS. If may not be initially obvious, but your eyes will be able to discern the difference.
If you're using the phone to read mucho text, I'm sorry, there is no way the SGS can trump the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 retina display is a beautiful one and I guarantee that if you use both for decent amount of time with an unbiased mind, you WILL notice the difference in terms of text definition and clarity.
However, when it comes to motion and movies, the SGS takes a dump all over the iphone. The iPhone, whilst still great to watch movies on, can't compare to the far superior contrast, colours, and vibrancy of the SGS AMOLED screen. When you have motion on screen and you're not squinting at text, the high pixel density, to me, almost doesn't even factor into the equation anymore.
So there's my two cents. I wouldn't trade my SGS for her iPhone 4 at all, however, I would probably sing a different tune if I did a lot of e-reading or web browsing on my phone. After using the iPhone to browse text for even a few minutes, I hated going back and doing the same on my SGS. Anyway, to say one display is practically (not technically) superior to the other only depends on the purpose of which you'll be using it for. Both are great and I don't see why people have to argue the point that one has to be better than the other.
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Agree completely. My uses is what got me into the device. However, a guy come on here saying he was going to use this like an e-reader (novels) first and foremost, webpage viewer in the house on wifi quite a bit, with the tiniest bit of PMP qualities. He was asking something specifically about what apps to get IIRC, I told him to buy a Kindle, iPad or iPhone 4 (I think I rated the iPhone 4 above the iPad because of the portability that he desired, but can't quite remember). If I wasn't into A/V (plus an Android fan) I might not have this device.
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hmm... i like reading my webpages at full brighness
i hate dim LCD or any kind of screens
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That's cool, to each their own. I can see webpages being a bit more brightness required than e-ink, but as I said just in my opinion, this device is just flat out bright. But I think it's both of our opposite tastes here that made Samsung put in an independent (I think that's how it works rather than in aggregate with, though perhaps there is some mix...don't really care as I leave both all the way down) brightness control into the web browser. So you won't have to adjust your brightness up when going to the web and if I happened to be walking around on a sunny day I wouldn't have to adjust it downwards.

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Samsung is a genious...
Many dumbasses would say "The Galaxy S" doesnt have Flash is a BAD THING..
But to me.. its a GOOD THING ... iPhone 4 uses Single LED flash... This type of flash doesnt even have enough power to make a difference in your picture quality.. its more like a BULL**** feature to trick noobs to buy it.
You need at least a Dual LED/Xenon Flash...
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not true..i have an iphone 4 and a Galaxy S. the flash helped the iphone cam a LOT......not a gimmic...no its not the best flash..but its better than none for sure

App for color calibration?

Hi!
im going to get the N10 in the next week and the first thing i will do because im a color junkie is a calibration test so se how close/far it is from
reference.
i have been into hardware calibration for displays for some years so i see myself as a pro.
i have X-Rite Display 3 Colorimeter and Chroma Pure calibration program.
http://www.chromapure.com/
the test patterns i use is from AVSHD709
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
i have already calibrated my LG Infinia LED TV to reference quality,so if only the right (ISF/CMS) settings is there i can calibrate any display to near reference quality.
but its all about the settings how much you can change.
so the question is:
is there a App that i can change the RGB values and saturation/hue also gamma settings?
or do i need to get a custom rom?
i know some custom roms for the SG2 has some screen/gamma adjustments in EX tweaks.
if its not i will still post the results from the calibration so you can check it out to see how good/bad calibrated the Nexus 10 is
Edit: i just found one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745248
but i need this for the N10

Theres an app in the play store called Screen Adjuster that allows to change RGB, contrast, brightness but requires root. Been wanting to try it but I cant root my tablet as my pc wont recognize my tablet in fastboot.
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Theres an app in the play store called Screen Adjuster that allows to change RGB, contrast, brightness but requires root. Been wanting to try it but I cant root my tablet as my pc wont recognize my tablet in fastboot.
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Just tried it out and it seemed to slow down the tablet.

404 ERROR said:
Just tried it out and it seemed to slow down the tablet.
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Try not to use contrast if you don't need it. That's what's slowed my galaxy s3 down
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Apps on the market only apply a filter on top of the screen. You're going to want a kernel with proper color calibration support to prevent performance loss.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/2
Here's anandtech's review of tablet displays.

vitaminxero said:
Apps on the market only apply a filter on top of the screen. You're going to want a kernel with proper color calibration support to prevent performance loss.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/2
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thanks for the link
interesting
damn the Nexus 10 is WAY off in the Gamut Chart!
how the hell can they release a screen thats is so off?
surley needs some calibration there
fix a kernel with RGB adjustments and i will fix a calibration that is better than on the iPad4.
after that you can just copy the settings and BOOM you have a reference display.
(that is if the screens dont differ to much)
i have the tools and the Knowlegde to calibrate displays but zippo knowlegde in hacking kernels
so Kernel Experts
MAKE IT HAPPEND!
Edit: first thing you will start with is the grayscale
when the grayscale is right (whites is white and not blue) then automatic you have your 6500k color temp (6500kelvin is messured from daylight in california if someone wants to know)
Also the Gamut is adjusted in position.
so its easy
with a correct grayscale everything (almost) else becomes right on spot.
one setting that they dont test there is Gamma
gamma at 2.2 is important if you want to see all details in darker parts of movies or photos.
gamma is adjusted with all three sliders Red/Green/Blue locked
So what i need is RGB adjustments and Saturation/HUE adjustments if its possible
comon hackers
we must beat the iPad!

If you want to have ICC support in kernel you've to ask a kernel dev. But I don't think that someone will implement this feature. Because the majority of users doesn't know or care about correct colors.
As the test results of your linked page show the N10 reaches a "good" neutral in white, gray and black. But the contrast is very low and by calibrating and profiling it you'll reduce it more. You've to calibrate D65 at 120 - 140 cd and after this to write a correction profile especially for blue and violet tones.
Apple does such things because their customers want to have and need good colors. But I don't see a market for android users. Photoshop touch is crap and there is no other "real" graphics suite / app. Given gamut is okay for daily use, e.g. viewing movies and surfing around the web.
So, don't be disappointed if your wish to cailbrate and profile the N10 won't be possible at all. An google seems not to have plans for ICC support in android, see https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-developers/Ifnsdbkqxqo

The only thing that really seems off is that it has very washed out purples. Its fine other than that. It strange as it can display blue and red just fine.
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If you want to have ICC support in kernel you've to ask a kernel dev. But I don't think that someone will implement this feature. Because the majority of users doesn't know or care about correct colors.[/url]
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Fortunately a lot of devs seems to think different seeing the amount of stuff they've coded that average Joe doesn't know or care about.
I for one would love to see the OP succeed as i see nothing wrong with getting better colour accuracy on my N10.

I personally really hope that a color calibration app/kernel becomes available.....devs PLEASE make it happen!! I like the punchy (albeit 'ficticious') colors of the amoLED display on my Galaxy Note....Please devs, give us the option to control/enhance the color of the Nexus 10's screen!

Another shout for some calibration tools on the nexus 10. All my main displays are calibrated & it's quite a shock to pick up my nexus 10 & the see the washed out colours

Indeed, the guy who mentioned the fact that the average Joe doesn't care about color reproduction is forgetting the fact that not a single one of us here is an average consumer, I also own an iPad 3 and I really loathe the washed out look on our display, the iPad looks very similar to the calibration I have on my Sony TV while the nexus looks almost like a color less gray when its put beside them, they all look like crap when you put them besides my SGS 2 though, all I really need to be completely happy with my Nexus would be a way to calibrate our screens, I have already pretty much given the iPad to my little sister but I hate to admit that the colors there look much much better than on the Nexus.
And by loathe I mean that I completely hate and despise it, such a great display ruined by the damn color calibration, the option should be built into Android for ****s sake.
PLEASE devs make it happen, color calibration seems to be an issue shared between all of the recent Nexus devices, for example, the screen on the Nexus 4 doesn't look as good as the one on the LG Optimus G (Or so I've read)

It's a shame Google are apathetic on this issue. Users that want do photo work are forced to go to Apple. Small OT aside: It's the same deal with audio creation apps/interfaces, Google doesn't care. I'd rather set my sites on Ubuntu.

Another vote for getting some kind of good calibration tool for the N10. I can put up with a lot, but the black levels are killing me. I would even put up with some loss of detail if I could get better black levels.

So... Guys, how can we contact Google to ask them to fix this themselves or do something so we can fix it ourselves?

Fidelator said:
So... Guys, how can we contact Google to ask them to fix this themselves or do something so we can fix it ourselves?
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i will search tomorrow
but isnt this a problem for samsung?

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i will search tomorrow
but isnt this a problem for samsung?
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Nah, the screen on the Nexus 4 doesn't look as good as the one in the Optimus G and the screen on the 7 is kind of washed out from what I've read, and from past experience I've seen that Samsung tends to calibrate their screens pretty nice, (albeit a bit saturated) on factory settings across all devices.

Hope someone can sort out the black levels, watching movies the blacks look grey specially with Dark Knight! Tried all sorts of things but nowt helping!

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Nah, the screen on the Nexus 4 doesn't look as good as the one in the Optimus G and the screen on the 7 is kind of washed out from what I've read, and from past experience I've seen that Samsung tends to calibrate their screens pretty nice, (albeit a bit saturated) on factory settings across all devices.
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It's a shame for Google not calibrating any of their screens. Nexus 4 has those ugly washed colors, same with the nexus 10. And black levels, despite as many synthetic tests you will post (anandtech etc) are quite bad.
I'm so sure this is software... and 0 upgrades from Google. Its ok they will push next version of android as soon as avaliable, but nothing else, no OTAs for bug fixing. Any other brand would have already pushed several upgrades to new devices, bugs appear and samsung, htc etc gives you solutions (not always, but...)

[VIDEO] HTC One vs Galaxy S4 vs Optimus G Pro Direct Sunlight Comparison

I figured some people might want to see what these devices look like when viewed outside in the sunlight.
You guys can draw your own conclusions. I'll remain silent.
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Here's a little redo:
LG Optimus G Pro still gets the short end of the stick here. The video didn't start playing. It is my daily use phone so please don't be outraged and say I'm trying to jack the results.
I love the phone, but the screen's sensitivity falls short IMO when compared to the other ones here. Not a deal breaker. Just takes a little bit more getting use to.

chrisngrod said:
I figured some people might want to see what these devices look like when viewed outside in the sunlight.
You guys can draw your own conclusions. I'll remain silent.
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htc is winner

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I figured some people might want to see what these devices look like when viewed outside in the sunlight.
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The SGS4 needs to be on auto-brightness to achieve its maximum brightness levels. Setting it to "max" manually results in 34% less brightness than using it in bright light in auto mode. It's kind of odd but here's the reasoning...
OLED displays are generally not as bright as the brightest LCD displays. There are two reasons for this: first, while OLED power efficiency has been steadily improving they are not yet as power efficient as the best LCDs. Second: there is a marketing obsession for producing ultra thin and light weight Smartphones, which sacrifices much needed battery power. Since the display often uses 50 percent or more of the total Smartphone power, various display power management schemes are frequently used. The Galaxy S4 uses one innovative approach to overcome this – when Automatic Brightness is turned on, the Peak Brightness becomes significantly brighter in high ambient lighting than is possible with Manual Brightness, up to as high as 475 cd/m2, which is 34 percent higher than is possible with Manual Brightness. This is done so that users can’t permanently set the brightness to very high values, which would run down the battery quickly​.http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_S4_ShootOut_1.htm

^This is the kind of productive information that allows for better videos.
I will rerun it as I did verify that the GS4 is dimmer under the conditions explained above.
My Note 2 is running CM10.1 so this could be causing different results. It does not behave in the same manner. Auto brightness = 100% manual brightness.
EDIT: I swore I could replicate this under a fluorescent soft box before, but now I can't. Really want to try this out, and it's dark now.

chrisngrod said:
My Note 2 is running CM10.1 so this could be causing different results. It does not behave in the same manner. Auto brightness = 100% manual brightness.
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It's new on the SGS4. Here's another "feature" that impacts max brightness. Auto Tone caps max brightness at 375 cd/m2. Adapt Display also affects brightness but it's not linear so the impact is hard to measure. Between these three settings all the reviews have been screwed up in terms of brightness evaluation with wide swings in their results because the reviewers didn't know their impact.
The Samsung Galaxy S4's Full HD SuperAMOLED screen is the best AMOLED display we've seen on a smartphone. However if you're noticing subpar brightness some of the time, there's an option in "Display settings" you might want to take a look at. By default, the Galaxy S4 and many other Samsung devices ship with "Auto adjust display tone" turned on. You can find it under Settings > My device > Display > More settings. When enabled, it tweaks the display brightness based on the on-screen image to avoid burning through an excessive amount of juice. Most of the time you might not notice this, but there's an easy way to see its effects. When there's a lot of white space on-screen, "Auto adjust screen tone" will dim the display slightly to save power. The effect is subtle, but jump between a website like Google in the web browser and your home screen and you'll probably notice that after a split second the page is dimmed slightly. That's good if you want to save power, bad if you want to take full advantage of that big, bright screen. So if you favor battery life, you can leave it turned on - after all, it's designed to save power. But to get the brightest possible image on your Galaxy S4, you may well want to turn this setting off.​Samsung Adapt Display: The Galaxy S4 "learns" what you are viewing and adjusts the display's brightness accordingly. If the phone senses you are reading an article, for example, it will illuminate from a more muted brightness.​

I do believe that I mentioned the auto tone was disabled in which it was.
Under the notes it'll be edited to reflect this information and a link to the test WITH the GS4 in auto mode. Heck the next one will have all of them in auto.
The LG Optimus G Pro is similar to the iPhone in the sense that the manual brightness level impacts the max auto brightness level.

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We here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2288003 think that you intentionally set the brightness on G Pro to 76% instead of full brightness on HTC One. That's why One won this test. We think that you might want to retest them again, and set them all to 100% to make the honest competition so to stop spreading FUD

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We here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2288003 think that you intentionally set the brightness on G Pro to 76% instead of full brightness on HTC One. That's why One won this test. We think that you might want to retest them again, and set them all to 100% to make the honest competition so to stop spreading FUD
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He's not trying to cheat the GPRO look it up on review site they will confirm the ONE has a better and brighter screen it's the best screen out currently on a smartphone.

nullkill said:
He's not trying to cheat the GPRO look it up on review site
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Yes, sir, I did exactly it, review you mentioned states
LG’s IPS display technology is simply the best in the biz.
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they will confirm the ONE has a better and brighter screen it's the best screen out currently on a smartphone.
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And stop spreading FUD that One's display is top of the pop and best in industry since G Pro is toppest one. It's brighter when set to 100% setting, more vivid, more readable

Billy Madison said:
And stop spreading FUD that One's display is top of the pop and best in industry since G Pro is toppest one. It's brighter when set to 100% setting, more vivid, more readable
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We'll see if Anandtech eventually releases a review of the phone. Nothing, and absolutely nothing beats the depth of reviews on Anandtech. And I also don't get you coming to this forum specifically to look for posts saying your phone isn't as good in this or that feature etc etc. An OPINION was provided on Android Central, fact based on actual measurements are missing for both sides, so everyone just chill out.

ArmedandDangerous said:
An OPINION was provided on Android Central, fact based on actual measurements are missing for both sides, so everyone just chill out.
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You don't read what is written? If I, say, set brightness level on HTC One to 10% and at the same time set G Pro to 100% and then compare them under the sun saying "See, HTC One just doesn't stand up to greatest G pro cause it's dim" would you remain silent? Or you go "Stop, but One is only set to 10%, how do you compare them so wrong?" I think the second
Yes, antiglare coating on G Pro is too bad but in the case of video testing it doesn't matter , sun doesn't reflect from this particular angle of view in the video

[QUOTE=ArmedandDangerous; And I also don't get you coming to this forum specifically to look for posts saying your phone isn't as good in this or that feature etc etc.
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Stop this childish playground attitude. People can post wherever they like, you do not own this space.
This guy has every right to post here especially if it is a comparison thread, and for the sakes of balance we need challenging input....regardless of whether he/she posts things that are subjective/objective.

This is what I posted on the other thread:
If I wanted to cheat on purpose... I don't think I would have pulled the notification bars down. I did so to check however it was very bright and the G Pro was the furthest away from me. No one probably understands how awkward it is to mount a camera while staying out of view of the frame (the camera is pointing straight down), and attempt to do this at your apartment.
It was also noted in earlier in the thread that the GS4 NEEDS to be in auto mode to achieve full brightness. I've left in the notes that this video has issues. It will most likely be pulled when the new one is made.
You know why it was set at 76%? It's because the LG Optimus G Pro is the most sensitive out of the bunch and by accident it was lowered. I already stated I'm no expert.
Feel free to call be stupid, but the LG Optimus G Pro is actually my daily use phone. So I would love for it to win everything.
It's called I was sweating my balls off and did it unintentionally.
Either way you still watched my video and it was still monetized for the people who want to act like an ass. I state that I'm not an expert, and I ask for input.
I would have redone it yesterday, but it wasn't very sunny out.
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HTC one looks the best here, no contest.
TapaTolkien

I've used the LG displays and they are no where near as good as the HTC One display. Review sites can say whatever they like, they are mostly biased and or paid anyway, so it doesn't count. I've used and owned almost all the top spec android phones out in the last 3 years, and size withstanding, for quality and brightness, nothing beats the One screen. Nothing.

biffsmash said:
I've used the LG displays and they are no where near as good as the HTC One display. Review sites can say whatever they like, they are mostly biased and or paid anyway, so it doesn't count. I've used and owned almost all the top spec android phones out in the last 3 years
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What top LG's phones have you used in last 3 years?

chrisngrod said:
If I wanted to cheat on purpose.
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It's great that you spend your own time producing videos that show how devices perform in the "real world" which objective reviews don't often do. AnandTech and GSMArena have posted corrections at times so testing isn't always perfect. People that only want their device to "win" will only be satisfied if it does and will diss you otherwise. Don't let it get you down.

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ArmedandDangerous; And I also don't get you coming to this forum specifically to look for posts saying your phone isn't as good in this or that feature etc etc.
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Stop this childish playground attitude. People can post wherever they like said:
It isn't constructive nor "challenging input" when he goes on the offensive from his first post when the OP has done nothing to deserve. If you questiopn his testing methodology, say it, not spew hate and go on and on about "spreading FUD". Nobody cares to read negative feedback, nor should they be encouraged.
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Here's a little redo:
LG Optimus G Pro still gets the short end of the stick here. The video didn't start playing. It is my daily use phone so please don't be outraged and say I'm trying to jack the results.
I love the phone, but the screen's sensitivity falls short IMO when compared to the other ones here. Not a deal breaker. Just takes a little bit more getting use to.

chrisngrod said:
Here's a little redo:
LG Optimus G Pro still gets the short end of the stick here. The video didn't start playing.
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Yeah, we noticed, but it's really not an issue to raise a rant. And nevertheless I think the sensitivity of touchscreen in G Pro is very good compared to older phones.
Well I might need some help. Could you compare your devices on the point of colors reproduction? Read this topic I can't prove them that G Pro has not got perfect display. Could you compare your HTC One with G Pro and tell is G Pro better or HTC One is better and more accurately calibrated? And not at 100% brightness level of course but at daily office 50% brightness setting

Why so bad calibration?

Sony, why?
10K Temperature (12K hi-tech mail)
Bad gamut accuracy
http://www.phonearena.com/showimage.php?m=Benchmarks.Values&id=49978&v=default
https://hi-tech.imgsmail.ru/hitech_...84x-/i/ff/f5/a13733c67e5523f054fff244ac95.jpg
Bad Delta E
Delta E grayscale 8.96
http://www.phonearena.com/showimage.php?m=Benchmarks.Values&id=49980&v=default
z3
https://hi-tech.imgsmail.ru/hitech_...84x-/i/db/99/32847e83963c279457ed417f5ee5.jpg
need (alpha)
https://hi-tech.imgsmail.ru/hitech_...84x-/i/19/3c/548c594110e662ebf699ab0e5742.jpg
Delta E rgbcmy 6.03 (7,91 hi-tech mail)
Why? For what?

Have you tried turning off x-reality and tweaking white balance?

degraaff said:
Have you tried turning off x-reality and tweaking white balance?
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I want to use a normal smartphone out of the box
xreality does not help
R=255, G=190, B=0
improves the situation but not completely
http://hi-tech.mail.ru/review/sony_xperia_z3_compact.html

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R=255, G=190, B=0
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Those are extreme adjustments, red all the way up and green at 190.

Why? To increase the brightness without increasing the power consumption
Sent from my Xperia Z2

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Why? To increase the brightness without increasing the power consumption
Sent from my Xperia Z2
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AFAIK, Sony's white balance option makes the display look darker the heavier you adjust it, at least that's how it is for my Xperia Z2 Tablet.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/best-screen-reviewers-best-screen-t2911814

Various reviews have indicated that the official word from Sony is that the 10k is intentional because that tested best with focus groups (display was assessed as "brighter" and "more vivid"). Given the way Triluminos displays work (the backlight is blue, not white), the brightness increase at high color temps may be more than just perceptual.
Keep in mind that the average smartphone consumer couldn't explain color temperature if their life depended on it. They look at the device next to others at a brick-and-mortar wireless carrier store or kiosk and the "brightest" one (regardless of how inaccurate) will usually be selected as having the "best" display. At least Sony provides a way to get back to something a little more sane (without having to root the phone).

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Various reviews have indicated that the official word from Sony is that the 10k is intentional because that tested best with focus groups (display was assessed as "brighter" and "more vivid"). Given the way Triluminos displays work (the backlight is blue, not white), the brightness increase at high color temps may be more than just perceptual.
Keep in mind that the average smartphone consumer couldn't explain color temperature if their life depended on it. They look at the device next to others at a brick-and-mortar wireless carrier store or kiosk and the "brightest" one (regardless of how inaccurate) will usually be selected as having the "best" display. At least Sony provides a way to get back to something a little more sane (without having to root the phone).
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The vast majority of people don't like oversaturation and distortion. I don't know what crazy focus groups have Sony.
Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG etc every year aspire to natural and correct color. And I agree with them. Sony need to dismiss his crazy focus group.
Although, I think there was no focus groups, they just wanted to increase the brightness of the screen and at the same time to probe the market, how color reproduction is important to people

When you raise all value too high, brightness will be decrease. I've never change Blue, a bit Green, mainly Red.

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Why? To increase the brightness without increasing the power consumption
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It would be better if they offered various presets in the settings. This one could be called "Energy efficient superbright" (or some other snazzy marketing name), with the ability to also select a preset called "accurate".

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Got a study to back that up? In a Leichtman Research Group study a few years ago, 18% of HDTV owners couldn't tell the difference between SD and HD. So I find it hard to believe that more than 50% of smartphone owners have any clue about color accuracy.
Case in point, walk into any big box consumer electronics store and look at the TVs on display. Nearly all of them have the brightness and saturation cranked up ridiculously high. Why? Because it sells TVs. At a glance, everything seems much more "vivid" than the shopper's current TV and that creates incentive to buy.
Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG etc every year aspire to natural and correct color.
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Yes, and that's admirable. I'm not defending Sony's approach. You asked "why?" and I provided the answer. Sony is struggling in the worldwide smartphone market compared to the OEMs you listed, so you have to expect them to try some "different" approaches. Yes, it would be nice if they provided a settings preset to get back to a 6500K calibration. Perhaps we need a thread where people with calibration hardware can post their properly calibrated settings?

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Case in point, walk into any big box consumer electronics store and look at the TVs on display. Nearly all of them have the brightness and saturation cranked up ridiculously high. Why? Because it sells TVs. At a glance, everything seems much more "vivid" than the shopper's current TV and that creates incentive to buy.
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Same with smartphone cameras, often the colors seem to be way off because it looks more vivid and that's what people want.
See Z3C vs S5 here for example.

I spent a lot of money for a crap diaplay....reds never look red..they always look pink...waahedout colours...baaaaad camera pics..they are lifeless...i v sold this crap phone with a loss of 300k...pathetic...i was a die hard fan of sony since sonyericsson t610...i have used just sony phone.never ever used any other brand coz of sony,s camera and outstanding colour caliberation,display and awesome bravia engine....now after a loss of 300k..i am very much disaappointed...why 10K colour temperature...i cant understand this at all...but still i love xperia brandand hoping that z4 compact will b a good one

Shrug. Phone is fine for me, but to each their own I guess.
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Looks good to me with green at 64-65

ffaaiissaall said:
I spent a lot of money for a crap diaplay....reds never look red..they always look pink...waahedout colours...baaaaad camera pics..they are lifeless...i v sold this crap phone with a loss of 300k...pathetic...i was a die hard fan of sony since sonyericsson t610...i have used just sony phone.never ever used any other brand coz of sony,s camera and outstanding colour caliberation,display and awesome bravia engine....now after a loss of 300k..i am very much disaappointed...why 10K colour temperature...i cant understand this at all...but still i love xperia brandand hoping that z4 compact will b a good one
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Is it that bad because I'am really interested in buying this phone. Please give me more details.

It would be bad if you had to root to change white balance, however Sony have thoughtfully provided a way to do it via settings that's fine.
There are other threads with suggested settings, and I've found a moderate change of R 40 G 72 to be perfectly satisfactory.
This is a non issue thread.

techguyone said:
It would be bad if you had to root to change white balance, however Sony have thoughtfully provided a way to do it via settings that's fine.
There are other threads with suggested settings, and I've found a moderate change of R 40 G 72 to be perfectly satisfactory.
This is a non issue thread.
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Except as has been established for a long time now, this option *doesn't* allow you to change the white balance, regardless of what Sony decided to call it for marketing reasons. It just overlays an RGB color filter over your screen - which is why it darkens the screen when you set sliders to max. Setting white point shouldn't have this effect at all. It doesn't even express color temperature options properly. Color accuracy isn't improved.
What you're seeing is only a lazy approximation of white balance adjustment, so yes this is very much a live issue.

As I said, my moderate change of +40 R & + 72 G *fixed* any issues I had, can't say I've noticed my screen going darker. Clearly if you're going to slam all the sliders over to MAX then it'll suffer. The point I'm making is that if you can adjust the white balance effectively for a small adjustment, Sony didn't get it that wrong, and even if they did, they provided a method to adjust it back to *correctiveness* in any case.
Now.
If the colour was obviously bad out of the box, and there was no way at all to correct it using any method, or you needed to root to fix it, then that WOULD have been an issue and I'd have been butt hurt too, however as this isn't the case I'm not, and it's a non issue.

Screen calibration improved in Lollipop?

I hadn't been paying a whole lot of attention since upgrading the other day but then I laid the phone next to my wife's S5 and maybe I'm imagining things but the screen on the Moto X feels a lot less warm than it did a week ago when compared to the much cooler toned Galaxy S5. Am I wrong here?

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I hadn't been paying a whole lot of attention since upgrading the other day but then I laid the phone next to my wife's S5 and maybe I'm imagining things but the screen on the Moto X feels a lot less warm than it did a week ago when compared to the much cooler toned Galaxy S5. Am I wrong here?
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I just saw a display unit at a verizon store and my thoughts were exactly the same as yours !?!? I saw the same display units at the same verizon store a month or so ago with kitkat and the super saturated screen was the first thought that came to my mind - this was the first time I checked it out and that was a deal breaker for me.
But this second visit has gotten me thinking, so much so that I googled it up and came across your post. Have you had a chance to compare/analyze it more ? I had to open the play store on the moto x AND Htc One to reconfirm the saturation ! But definitely looked less saturated as compared to the Nexus 6 I recently saw.
Anybody else - any feedback ?

Sure has. The colors seem a lot more contrasty and punchy! Whites are also slightly better. It closely matches the nexus 6 screen now, looks wonderful!

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Sure has. The colors seem a lot more contrasty and punchy! Whites are also slightly better. It closely matches the nexus 6 screen now, looks wonderful!
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I was actually suggesting the opposite - the Nexus 6 is super saturated ~ poor screen calibration. The Moto X was similar but as @WilliamRBR also suggested it seems the screen calibration may have been tweaked in the lollipop update thus resulting in less of the super saturated unreal colors and more closer to the Note 4 calibration ~ which is quiet good.

Screen calibration is better on lollipop, a lot less saturated.

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Screen calibration is better on lollipop, a lot less saturated.
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Fantastic ! So its just not me then Hopefully more users can chime in

It's so good I'm just loving it

Glad to hear this!

I didn't notice any difference.

Serious? It's more than noticeable! Just open the play store and look at the red, green etc... No more flashy.

For me it's still oversaturated and incorrectly calibrated, especially when comparing to Nexus 5.

I have owned this device for about two months now. To be honest, I did notice that, a few days before the Lollipop update (wich happened last week to me), the colors seemed more satured than the usual. I concluded (wrongly?) it had to do with the ageing of the screen.
But even after the update I feel the colors are still as satured as they were in KK (wich I find pretty nice).
Or maybe my eyes are not so great anymore.

Quiet a mixed bag here, maybe M8 is the way to go given the comparable cameras but with extra battery and nicer screen. Thank you all for sharing your inputs here though.

I actually really like the "oversaturated" colors, and would prefer it to at least be an option to set the saturation/calibration level. The main reason I love OLED so much is because of this, and I hope they wouldn't force a change like that in the update. Something like the Samsung calibration menu would be nice.

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I actually really like the "oversaturated" colors, and would prefer it to at least be an option to set the saturation/calibration level. The main reason I love OLED so much is because of this, and I hope they wouldn't force a change like that in the update. Something like the Samsung calibration menu would be nice.
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oh yeah if motorola had display options like samsung provides - essentially different levels of saturation - THAT WOULD BE AWESOME !!! Everyone of us can have their desired levels of oomph and punch or the lack of

It looks exactly the same, but is a beautiful screen regardless.

Mine is too warm... That is the only issue that I have with it and have to use calibration app to make it cooler
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Which app?

Does the camera autofocus correctly during video capture in the Lollipop?
My Moto X 2 has Kitkat and doesn't autofocus during video captures. It acts same like fixed focus came of Moto E, though autofocus works perfectly fine during photo capture. I have tried lot of third party camera apps, cleared cache as suggested by moto care but still no solution
Now I am badly missing my old and gold Atrix 2 badly, thankfully that is still at home but no more mine.