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Moto X Pure Edition will get LTE 3, 5, and 7 via OTA!

Great news this morning for whoever was holding out on buying the Moto X (2014) Pure Edition due to the LTE coverage. Motorola has said that they will soon be enabling LTE 3, 5, and 7 on the Pure Edition via an OTA update!
http://www.androidcentral.com/moto-x-pure-edition-xt1095-may-soon-get-more-lte-bands
Effectively, both XT1095 and XT1097 will support the same LTE bands after this update rolls out.

Nevermind, I always forget Band 13... FML Verizon, worst network for tinkerers and phone junkies alike.

Kenmichi said:
Nevermind, I always forget Band 13... FML Verizon, worst network for tinkerers and phone junkies alike.
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Huh? Verizon phones are factory unlocked and work on CDMA and GSM, compare that to what you get on T-Mobile, Sprint, or AT&T and Verizon has the best phones for phone junkies. Now unlocked bootloaders, I'll agree Verizon sucks with that.

Band 13 is only supported on the VZW edition Moto X (xt1096) and is one of their primary LTE bands. So yes the Pure Edition, or even regular AT&T edition for that matter, Moto X will work on the VZW network you are limiting your connectivity significantly.

Kenmichi said:
Band 13 is only supported on the VZW edition Moto X (xt1096) and is one of their primary LTE bands. So yes the Pure Edition, or even regular AT&T edition for that matter, Moto X will work on the VZW network you are limiting your connectivity significantly.
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They'll never let you bring your own phone. Never. Even if it did magically work on the network.

geoff5093 said:
Huh? Verizon phones are factory unlocked and work on CDMA and GSM, compare that to what you get on T-Mobile, Sprint, or AT&T and Verizon has the best phones for phone junkies. Now unlocked bootloaders, I'll agree Verizon sucks with that.
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Factory unlocked, really? So I could wait and pick up a Droid Turbo and use it on T-mobile? Hmmm, may have to research this. Although, the extra bloatware would probably keep me away.
But, back on-topic...
This certainly makes the Pure a much more useful phone. It still needs Band 12 (T-mobile owns Band 12 in 2/3 of my county) to serve the US providers that it is intended for, but this is definitely a good step in the right direction.

Awesome this will enable LTE in Euro for most people. This makes the new Moto X way more versatile than the old Moto X which contains only:[2/4/17] ... basically i can buy a moto x for any of my European friends

Note10.1Dude said:
Factory unlocked, really? So I could wait and pick up a Droid Turbo and use it on T-mobile? Hmmm, may have to research this. Although, the extra bloatware would probably keep me away.
But, back on-topic...
This certainly makes the Pure a much more useful phone. It still needs Band 12 (T-mobile owns Band 12 in 2/3 of my county) to serve the US providers that it is intended for, but this is definitely a good step in the right direction.
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Well we can't say with 100% certainty since it's not out yet, but all other Verizon LTE phones are factory unlocked and can be used on other carriers. I've used my Verizon Note 2, LG G2, and LG G3 on T-Mobile. The only issues you would run into would be an "unknown SIM" in the status bar, and you may need to add APN entries. If you root though, you can easily fix both of these issues.

Actually itd be wayyyy better if they dropped band 5 and just included 20 ... 800mhz LTE is essential for non rural cities in Europe.

This discussion has already been started in this XDA thread.
Motorola Support Forums Post/Thread

Because this was previously reported here thread closed

Droid Turbo conquers Europe!

CONFIRMED DROID TURBO WORKING IN EUROPE
I live Norway, but am from Louisiana, bought my Droid Turbo outright from Best Buy
I knew all the past trouble with VZW, global, CDMA and roaming.
But with the upcoming unlocked era, the radio bands from the specs and a bit of homework, all signs pointed to this working.
Worst case scenario would have been tethering it off my Nexus 5 anyway.
So I ordered a nanoSIM from my company provider, Netcom.
I popped it in and got the following:
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Ugh, C'mon SIM Card is not from Verizon ? Than sounds pretty locked to me.
I tried a few more times rebooting in Global, CDMA, and GSM modes to be sure.
No connection, no networks found, Voice data blocked, no service.
OK, time to call Verizon. Let's just say their organization doesn't handle call transfers well when you don't have a verizon account.
The low level tech support told me the Droid Turbo is unlocked from the box, they couldnt lock any of their 4G phones if they wanted.
But, when I mentioned the "SIM Card is not from Verizon" he transferred me to Motorola.
Motorola rep insisted that message indicated a locked status, ans referred me back to Verizon.
Next level insisted to me that its not locked and even that DT doesnt use a nanoSIM, which I eventually convinced her contrary to their latest reference material nanoSIMs aren't just iPhone anymore.
After another 45min of bouncing around their phone systems, and explaining I just want to use a local SIM in Europe, I finally got up to top level tech Global support.
Now this guy was actually helpful.after establishing I knew my way around android and understood GSM vs CDMA etc, we determined the message might be remnants of a lock program. Since I was blocked from even viewing any mobile networks, he had me manually enter the APN for Netcom here and restart. It was then I got to tell him about the wonderful DT bug of ART runtime and the "Android is upgrading" optimization on EVERY restart. He took note of that. He got my email and I send him screenshots of the locked/blocked notifications to send to his Motorola liaison.
Reboot, still nothing, same errors. Out of desperation, we rebooted one more time in desperation.
Agonizing wait, then BOOM! signal! NOt sure if it was the wait, or number of reboots but it finally took, even with the non-Verizon SIM notification. Edge only in my house , but that normal, but I went for a ride around the block and got several channels of Edge, GPRS, HPSA and a sniff of HPSA+!!. I will test 4G LTE when I drive though a coverage area tomorrow. It also sees the other provider here, Telenor.
So we have a true global phone, with hiccups. Do your homework with frequency bands, and be patient with SIMS, registration, reboots.

Awesome! Now talk to that same Motorola tech about getting your bootloader unlocked!!!!

quadracer06 said:
Awesome! Now talk to that same Motorola tech about getting your bootloader unlocked!!!!
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This was not a high level Moto Support guy, I did ask about bootloaders while i had him on the line, he said "Yeah if its the Developer Editions go to the Moto website and find the unlock tool", so usual line.
I did a drive though town today and the DT did not connect to 4G in Global or GSM modes, so I gotta try a few more things.
But it did hold a pretty good HPSA+ around the town and even connected to UMTS way out on the island I work on.
So confirmed VZW Droid Turbo connection to GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HPSA, and HPSA+ in Europe so far.

Droid Turbo working Well @ Malaysia too！
Sent from my XT1254 using xda premium

subvertz said:
This was not a high level Moto Support guy, I did ask about bootloaders while i had him on the line, he said "Yeah if its the Developer Editions go to the Moto website and find the unlock tool", so usual line.
I did a drive though town today and the DT did not connect to 4G in Global or GSM modes, so I gotta try a few more things.
But it did hold a pretty good HPSA+ around the town and even connected to UMTS way out on the island I work on.
So confirmed VZW Droid Turbo connection to GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HPSA, and HPSA+ in Europe so far.
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in Italy Droid Turbo is confirmed that works on LTE too.
the phone is globaly unlocked
if in ur country there are operators that use the LTE bands from turbo,u will get 4g lte without problems.

Now let's unlock additional LTE bands!
Well, with Moto Maxx theoretically possible since we have unlockable bootloader and root. So, not yet possible on Droid Turbo (locked bootloader, no root yet).
I messed with it last weekend for a couple of hours on one of my Moto Maxx phones, then had to put it on hold. During the work week, I can't devote time to it. Gonna take another stab at it this weekend.

ChazzMatt said:
Now let's unlock additional LTE bands!
Well, with Moto Maxx theoretically possible since we have unlockable bootloader and root. I messed with it last weekend for a couple of hours, then had to put it on hold. During the work week, I can't devote time to it. Gonna take another stab at it this weekend.
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band 20
with this band unlocked ,it will be the perfect smartphone.
but i guess it s quite near impossible.

My provider Netcom has LTE bands 3,7,20
Droid Turbo specs claim LTE bands 2,3,4,7,13
So we have a match for 3 (2600MHz) & 7 (1800MHz)
For some reason is hasn't connected automatically yet.
Are you running Global mode or LTE/GSM/UMTS mode in Italy?
I have requested the VZW tech to request Moto to unlock me so I can get him network stats, logcats etc.
Its a long shot, but worth it. Stay tuned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths

Turbo in Ireland
Got my turbo from best buy early November, brought it to Ireland the next day. On the same day i got a načo sim from my provider (3). Swapped Verizon sim for my new one, turned the phone on and apart from "sim card not from Verizon" notification everything works perfectly, 3g,hspa+,Lte, you name it, it works. No tinkering or messing around with settings required, apart from setting your access point obviously.

Mato0309 said:
Got my turbo from best buy early November, brought it to Ireland the next day. On the same day i got a načo sim from my provider (3). Swapped Verizon sim for my new one, turned the phone on and apart from "sim card not from Verizon" notification everything works perfectly, 3g,hspa+,Lte, you name it, it works. No tinkering or messing around with settings required, apart from setting your access point obviously.
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What provider/ frequency bands are you on in Ireland and Italy?

4g/lte frequencies/bands in ireland
subvertz said:
What provider/ frequency bands are you on in Ireland and Italy?
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My carrier is Three, however to my knowledge the following applies to all carriers in Ireland.
1800Mhz (3)
900Mhz (9)
800Mhz (20)

lol.. I'm not the only crazy Italian guy buyin' this (LOCKED) beast!
Mato0309 said:
My carrier is Three, however to my knowledge the following applies to all carriers in Ireland.
1800Mhz (3)
900Mhz (9)
800Mhz (20)
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Dammit I got the same bands and its not connecting to LTE,
I have been on the phone with Netcom, Motorola, even Verizon and nobody can figure it out.

The tech support people at Moto talked me into doing a factory reset. I should have known better.
Now I cant connect to any network. 2G, 3G, or 4G.
Need ideas.....

ChazzMatt said:
Now let's unlock additional LTE bands!
Well, with Moto Maxx theoretically possible since we have unlockable bootloader and root. So, not yet possible on Droid Turbo (locked bootloader, no root yet).
I messed with it last weekend for a couple of hours on one of my Moto Maxx phones, then had to put it on hold. During the work week, I can't devote time to it. Gonna take another stab at it this weekend.
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I thought the LTE bands from every Moto phone is bound to hardware limitations and cannot be unlocked software-wise?
For the Sony z1c you can unlock all LTE bands: http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ad-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269
Or did you find a way how to unlock other LTE bands on Moto phones? Cause we (the Moto X owners) would love to unlock all LTE bands!

dagoban said:
I thought the LTE bands from every Moto phone is bound to hardware limitations and cannot be unlocked software-wise?
For the Sony z1c you can unlock all LTE bands: http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ad-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269
Or did you find a way how to unlock other LTE bands on Moto phones? Cause we (the Moto X owners) would love to unlock all LTE bands!
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This is as far as I've gotten. But I'm trying to not to screw up my phone.
This is how far I've gotten.
I'm not sure what to choose. Some people say in the threads that in this program "WCDMA" category also applies LTE bands, while others say you need to do something else. Conflicting info. I'm trying to read everything again to see which is correct.
Since there's no band 12, I think I need a secondary program mentioned in those threads.

ChazzMatt said:
This is as far as I've gotten. But I'm trying to not to screw up my phone.
This is how far I've gotten.
I'm not sure what to choose. Some people say in the threads that in this program "WCDMA" category also applies LTE bands, while others say you need to do something else. Conflicting info. I'm trying to read everything again to see which is correct.
Since there's no band 12, I think I need a secondary program mentioned in those threads.
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how did u make it conect to pc??
can u add some info?
i want to try it too and add band 20 to my Moto Maxx
thank u

I wonder if "VI - Japan 800" is the same as Band 20 (800 MHZ)?

danger2u said:
how did u make it conect to pc??
can u add some info?
i want to try it too and add band 20 to my Moto Maxx
thank u
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OK, using this guide and the numbers from the NV calculator, I enabled all the LTE bands I wanted.
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Incase anyone is wondering this value will "theoretically" enable band 12 and the other ones listed below on the OPO
LTE:Band 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 19, 20, 21
06828: 1906911
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I confirmed this number.
So, I changed the value and after reboot it kept the new value.
As the Moto Maxx was being tested to be the Nexus 6 as late as mid-August, it has the same capabilities of the Nexus 6 (including Qi wireless charging, which is VERY unusual on a Moto phone). Thus it can also handle LTE band 12 just like the Moto Maxx, not that it matters. It was LTE band 5 I was more worried about. When this phone with this same FCC ID number went through the FCC it had LTE band 5 enabled, but when sold in Puerto Rico (U.S. territory) with this same FCC ID number, LTE band 5 was no longer present but LTE band 3 was enabled.
Now they are all enabled.
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I wonder if "VI - Japan 800" is the same as Band 20 (800 MHZ)?
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QPST and mzTool seem to be only for enabling 2G/3G bands.
You need QXDM to edit/enable LTE bands. I wasted a lot of time on QPST and mzTool. I already have all the GSM/HSPA bands I need. I wanted more LTE bands. Once I figured out what each was good for, then I concentrated on QXDM, and the NV/LTE browser with the NV calculator app. Somone else had already calculated the number, but I double checked it. Then I "wrote" it. When I rebooted and checked the number again, the edited value was still there.
(You do need QPST installed to use QXDM, so you do need both programs.)
The hardest part was the steps to get the COM ports to show up in QPST and QXDM. Last weekend I spent a couple of hours and never could get it to connect. Today, I spend like 6 hours on it, and was successful.
The only issue is all I have to guage my success right now is the NV calculator numbers. I went out driving around and the only AT&T bands I could find within a 3 mile radius were bands 2 and 17, which I already had. LTE band 5 may not even be in use in the Atlanta metro area. I don't know.
Some phones have hidden service menus (accessed via dialer codes) that will display all the bands you are capable of receiving, but the Moto menu I've accessed does not seem to have that option.

thanks a lot for the good instructions!
You could even write a full tutorial now especially as you mentioned it took you 6hours to get the phone actually connected to the PC.
Now its all a matter of whether the antennas / mboards / chips really are different or if there are hardware limitations for the LTE bands...

[Guide] Droid Turbo & Moto Maxx Carrier and Bootloader Compatibility

Hello and welcome
I started this thread because i want to help all people who has or want this phone to get more Info about carrier and bootloader compatibilities.
Lets start with this:
DROID TURBO / MOTO MAXX
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Little History of the Device
We know as late as mid-August Google was testing a 5.2" 1440p Snapdragon 805 Nexus 6 variant with 3GB RAM, made by Motorola. We saw the leaked benchmarks. After August, all evidence of a 5.2" Nexus 6 model disappeared. Google decided to release only one new Nexus phone, the 5.9" version.
But instead of being released as a Nexus, Motorola released that 5.2" phone as the Droid Turbo (Verizon)/Moto Maxx.
The shared specifications of these devices are the following:
SYSTEM: Near-stock Android 4.4.4 KitKat (TESTING ANDROID L 5.0.2 RIGHT NOW ON MOTO MAXX)
SCREEN: 5.2-inch QHD AMOLED (2,560 x 1,440 pixels, 565 ppi)
PROCESSOR: Quad-core Snapdragon 805, quad-core, 2.7 GHz, Adreno 420 GPU
RAM: 3 GB
INTERNAL MEMORY: 32/64 GB
BATTERY: 3,900 mAh
QI WIRELESS CHARGING
QUALCOMM CHARGE 2.0 UP TO 8 HOURS OF BATTERY CHARGING IN 30 MINUTES
CAMERA: 21 MP (rear), 1.3MP (front)
CONNECTIVITY: LTE, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 4.0, USB 2.0
DIMENSIONS: 73.3 x 143.5 x 11.2mm (Ballistic Nylon)/73.3 x 146.5 x 10.6mm (Metalized Fiber)
WEIGHT: 176 g (Ballistic Nylon)/169 g (Metalized Fiber) 184 g
PRICE: $599.00 USD (base model)/ $8999.00 MXP
USES NANO SIM CARD
CARRIER AND BOOTLOADER COMPATIBILITY
So if you are on USA my advice its to get an US MOTO MAXX to get unlocked bootloader, root and LTE compatibility on major carriers.
WHERE TO GET DROID TURBO/MOTO MAXX
DROID TURBO: http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/droid/
US MOTO MAXX: (sellers recopilation by chazzmatt) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58865000&postcount=197
INTERNATIONAL MOTO MAXX and MOTO TURBO: Int Moto maxx its currently being sold on Mexico, Puerto Rico, Brasil, Chile and india, you can look for it in motorola's page for each country ( motorola.com.mx , motorola.com.br , motorola.com.pr, motorola.com.cl )
I think its pretty Clear in this table which version of moto maxx and droid turbo work in each carrier and if they can be unlocked or not, if you have any questions about this please post.
Special thanks to @ChazzMatt for the little history text.
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Moto maxx has been finally released on the Mexican carrier TELCEL i saw it yesterday on a store hope more people get to know this awesome device

I have been searching everywhere. Were you able to find a definitive confirmation that the XT1250 is unlockable and works on Verizon? Screenshots, videos, personal testing? The only thing that I can find is that one person partially attempted to do both, but didn't actually do it.

timmyk465 said:
I have been searching everywhere. Were you able to find a definitive confirmation that the XT1250 is unlockable and works on Verizon? Screenshots, videos, personal testing? The only thing that I can find is that one person partially attempted to do both, but didn't actually do it.
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because the xt1250 runs mostly on CDMA networks by small carriers on USA, and beign carrier unlocked, works with verizon, about the bootloader, i trust the guy who said that he was able to unlock the bootloader according to motorola's unlocking site, but he did not want to because warranty issues, and if one model can be bootloader unlocked all can

I hope device come for more countrys

Does anyone know if any of the small carriers that have the xt1250 will allow you to purchase and ship the phone from a place outside of their local network? (For example I'm in Texas and would use it on Verizon)

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Special thanks to @ChazzMatt for the little history text.
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Thank you, @Jaocagomez.
The only additional info I would add is:
1) Chile is also one of the Latin American countries where the XT1225 is sold. Was released there after Brazil, Mexico, Puerto Rico.
http://www.motorola.cl/consumers/view-all-mobile-phones/Moto-Maxx/moto-maxx-cl.html
2) It's worth repeating that all the Moto Maxx/Droid Turbo models are "Quark" Motorola phones with identical hardware specs (display, resolution, RAM, cameras, CPU, GPU, turbo charging, Qi wireless charging, battery, etc), except for internal memory storage (32GB or 64GB). The "international" XT1225 only comes in 64GB with ballistic nylon back.
3) The U.S. XT1250 "Moto Maxx" and XT1254 "Droid Turbo" are identical except for carrier-specific software -- both have CDMA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands. They both have the same FCC ID number. The "Droid Turbo" is just the Verizon "Moto Maxx" with a locked bootloader. ("Droid" is a name licensed to Verizon by LucasArts which they can slap on any phone they wish. Verizon chose to call their locked down version Droid Turbo, instead of Moto Maxx.)
4) The XT1225 has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 even though the official specs only list 2, 3, 4, 7, 17. When it passed through the FCC it had LTE band 5 (used on AT&T), and QPST/nv browser shows it's still there and enabled. But since the XT1225 was aimed primarily at the Latin America market, where LTE band 5 is not used, Motorola left it off the specs listing. Apple did something similar with the iPhone in 2012, having TWO extra LTE bands enabled that were not mentioned in the "official" specs.
The XT1225 has a different FCC number from the XT1250/XT1254.
5) All the XT1225 phones sold in all the various countries are the same. They all have the same FCC ID number. Why did the XT1225 go through the FCC? Because Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory. Listing an FCC number on a phone in Brazil or Mexico doesn't carry the force of law in the U.S., but listing it on the XT1225 in Puerto Rico does carry the force of law for Motorola. But since it's listed on ALL the XT1225 boxes, wherever sold, it's the same phone across all countries.
6) For people wanting to buy the XT1225 in the 50 states of the USA, you can try eBay or Swappa. There were several Puerto Rico dealers selling them. It's U.S. territory and can be shipped via U.S.P.S. Priority Mail with tracking number. Just make sure they unlock the phone for you or provide the unlock code, as in Puerto Rico the Moto Maxx is only sold in Claro stores not through the Motorola website.
My Mexico Moto Maxx XT1225 was bought straight from Motorola Mexico website (through the help of @Jaocagomez) and came unlocked for all carriers from the factory, but my Puerto Rico Moto Maxx XT1225 was unlocked by the eBay dealer who shipped it to me. Otherwise would have stayed locked to Claro.

Thumb Cellular
Just a follow up. It looks like Thumb will sell you a phone and ship outside of their area. You have to buy it at full price, and they will not offer you a return on it, so the sale would be final.

Another follow up.
I've just about called every CDMA provider on the wikipedia list to get more information about this phone and whether or not you can buy it. For the most part no one will sell it unless you buy it in the store or you ship it within their service area. (Except as I mentioned above Thumb who will sell it and ship it no returns, no warranty).
I was able to find out that, according to the rep from Pioneer Cellular, the model number for the XT1250 is MOTO GXP1031.
A few of the carriers are looking into more information for me and are supposed to call me back. I'm trying to track down who their vendors are. It seems none of them are buying this phone directly from Motorola.

timmyk465 said:
Another follow up.
I've just about called every CDMA provider on the wikipedia list to get more information about this phone and whether or not you can buy it. For the most part no one will sell it unless you buy it in the store or you ship it within their service area. (Except as I mentioned above Thumb who will sell it and ship it no returns, no warranty).
I was able to find out that, according to the rep from Pioneer Cellular, the model number for the XT1250 is MOTO GXP1031.
A few of the carriers are looking into more information for me and are supposed to call me back. I'm trying to track down who their vendors are. It seems none of them are buying this phone directly from Motorola.
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That's interesting. So Motorola is selling this phone to some wholesalers, who are reselling it to regional carriers?
I know Motorola calls it the XT1250. I've seen it listed several places, just like the XT1225 -- like battery back covers on AliExpress. So, that other model number must be that carrier's product code, not Motorola's? Or the wholesaler's code?
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If you get one of these XT1250 Moto Maxx, do you have a Verizon nano SIM card to put in? For an account already activated? If not, get a SIM card cutter.
Because Verizon will lie to you and tell you it won't work. You have to get a nano SIM card without them knowing about it. Best way is to cut already-activated micro SIM card down, if you don't already have a nano size.

Wow this is great news! I've been waiting for this device to come to ATT (under the rumored Moto Play name) but you're saying it's technically already available? So I can buy the XT1250 and I'll get full LTE speed on ATT? If so I might just get this...
Two questions:
1. What's your opinion on the speed of Motorola updating these phones? I know that due to their close relationship with Verizon they get it first usually, but because these have to be approved by handfuls of non major carriers do you think it'll be much slower? Will it matter which of these carriers I buy the phone from then?
2. Because these are not bought from Verizon or directly from Motorola Store, will Motorola still offer the one free screen replacement if broken within first year is ownership?
Thanks for your help

ergoautumn said:
Wow this is great news! I've been waiting for this device to come to ATT (under the rumored Moto Play name) but you're saying it's technically already available? So I can buy the XT1250 and I'll get full LTE speed on ATT? If so I might just get this...
Two questions:
1. What's your opinion on the speed of Motorola updating these phones? I know that due to their close relationship with Verizon they get it first usually, but because these have to be approved by handfuls of non major carriers do you think it'll be much slower? Will it matter which of these carriers I buy the phone from then?
2. Because these are not bought from Verizon or directly from Motorola Store, will Motorola still offer the one free screen replacement if broken within first year is ownership?
Thanks for your help
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The "international" XT1225 Moto Maxx would be better for AT&T. Has all the AT&T LTE bands. Official specs say LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 17 but really has 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17. AT&T uses 2, 4, 5, 17.
eBay or Swappa is your friend.
Here's some recent speeds on AT&T GoPhone with one of my two XT1225 Moto Maxx phones:

ChazzMatt said:
That's interesting. So Motorola is selling this phone to some wholesalers, who are reselling it to regional carriers?
I know Motorola calls it the XT1250. I've seen it listed several places, just like the XT1225 -- like battery back covers on AliExpress. So, that other model number must be that carrier's product code, not Motorola's? Or the wholesaler's code?
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If you get one of these XT1250 Moto Maxx, do you have a Verizon nano SIM card to put in? For an account already activated? If not, get a SIM card cutter.
Because Verizon will lie to you and tell you it won't work. You have to get a nano SIM card without them knowing about it. Best way is to cut ssn already activated micro card down, if you don't already have a nano.
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I do have a Verizon SIM, but it is for my Galaxy S3. I'll either cut and sand it, or go to a Verizon store and tell them I bought a phone on ebay and need a new nano SIM. I'm still holding off on getting the phone from Thumb until I know more about everything. Hopefully I can track down a vendor or a better source to buy the phone (one that will offer a return policy).

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I do have a Verizon SIM, but it is for my Galaxy S3. I'll either cut and sand it, or go to a Verizon store and tell them I bought a phone on ebay and need a new nano SIM. I'm still holding off on getting the phone from Thumb until I know more about everything. Hopefully I can track down a vendor or a better source to buy the phone (one that will offer a return policy).
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I'm also assuming the phone from Thumb is 32GB correct? I've reached out to several of those carriers as well and have not identified one that sells a 64GB XT1250. I also have not confirmed that one exists!
btw on Verizon I would also expect that Softcard would not work but would be willing to lose it in order to show if it doesn't work on XT1250 with the VZW ISIS app. Also I have not heard of anyone with software updates to the XT1250 to either enable video calling or VoLTE (HD voice or Simultaneous voice/data). Would anyone expect carrier updates or updates direct from Moto or to only be able to hope firmware from XT1254 can be dissected from an OTA?
Whew that's a lot
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btw on Verizon I would also expect that Softcard would not work but would be willing to lose it in order to show if it doesn't work on XT1250 with the VZW ISIS app. Also I have not heard of anyone with software updates to the XT1250 to either enable video calling or VoLTE (HD voice or Simultaneous voice/data). Would anyone expect carrier updates or updates direct from Moto or to only be able to hope firmware from XT1254 can be dissected from an OTA?
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With an unlocked bootloader on the XT1250, I wonder if you could flash firmware from XT1225 (if you want 5.0.2 sooner) or XT1254 (if you want VOLTE from VZW) and have everything still work okay. When I had a VZW Moto X (XT1060) Developer Edition with an unlocked bootloader, firmware from other Ghost variants worked just fine (e.g., T-Mobile's 4.4.3 build released before Verizon's eventual skip to 4.4.4). If XT1225,XT1250, and XT1254 are all quark boards, think this could work?
I would love to sell my XT1254 and pick up the XT1250 if it meant getting xposed back... I'd even be fine with Verizon's firmware with 4.4.4+VOLTE+Xposed and waiting for the XT1254 to get 5.0.2 w/ VOLTE since flashing the XT1225 lollipop build would result in loss of VOLTE and thus simultaneous voice+data.

sklarskyj said:
With an unlocked bootloader on the XT1250, I wonder if you could flash firmware from XT1225 (if you want 5.0.2 sooner) or XT1254 (if you want VOLTE from VZW) and have everything still work okay. When I had a VZW Moto X (XT1060) Developer Edition with an unlocked bootloader, firmware from other Ghost variants worked just fine (e.g., T-Mobile's 4.4.3 build released before Verizon's eventual skip to 4.4.4). If XT1225,XT1250, and XT1254 are all quark boards, think this could work?
I would love to sell my XT1254 and pick up the XT1250 if it meant getting xposed back... I'd even be fine with Verizon's firmware with 4.4.4+VOLTE+Xposed and waiting for the XT1254 to get 5.0.2 w/ VOLTE since flashing the XT1225 lollipop build would result in loss of VOLTE and thus simultaneous voice+data.
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Just got this email so it doesn't even matter:
What does that mean for you? As of 3/31 your Softcard app will no longer work. You can continue to use the Softcard app until 3/31. After that your Account will be closed.
Wonder if we get another OTA to remove the app.

It would be so cool if the phone had LTE band 20 enabled.
I'm hoping Moto will release another phone at some point that is not close to 6" and supports band 20

i hope some mod can sticky this thread, there were like 30 threads in Q&A and general asking this information

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I do have a Verizon SIM, but it is for my Galaxy S3. I'll either cut and sand it, or go to a Verizon store and tell them I bought a phone on ebay and need a new nano SIM. I'm still holding off on getting the phone from Thumb until I know more about everything. Hopefully I can track down a vendor or a better source to buy the phone (one that will offer a return policy).
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Did you end up buying the phone from Thumb? Or anywhere else for that matter?

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Did you end up buying the phone from Thumb? Or anywhere else for that matter?
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I ended up waiting cause I wanted to make sure everything would work, but never really saw anyone that got into detail what they could and couldn't do with the phone.
Then they released mofo, so I'm just getting it from Verizon now I think.

Unlockable Next-Gen Moto Devices

So a new line of phones is on the way, im just wondering what you guys think, will they ALL be locked down for us on VZW? or do you think theres any hope for a Dev Edition Droid or X? Maybe get lucky with something unbranded like the xt1250? Will hell freeze over and VZW will allow OEM unlock?
Basicly the question is there ANY hope for those who like Moto, VZW, and Unlocked phones?

if history is any indicator, there is close to zero hope outside a Nexus phone.

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if history is any indicator, there is close to zero hope outside a Nexus phone.
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TheWhiteChallenger said:
So a new line of phones is on the way, im just wondering what you guys think, will they ALL be locked down for us on VZW? or do you think theres any hope for a Dev Edition Droid or X? Maybe get lucky with something unbranded like the xt1250? Will hell freeze over and VZW will allow OEM unlock?
Basicly the question is there ANY hope for those who like Moto, VZW, and Unlocked phones?
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For the upcoming 2015 models, let's look at recent history of last year's models...
Something like the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 (same device, same FCC ID as the Verizon Droid Turbo which PROVES it's the same device; same CDMA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands as the Droid Turb XT1254 -- but with unlock-able bootloader) will show up on the smaller, regional CDMA/LTE carriers.
These are actual standalone carriers, with their own spectrum -- NOT Verizon MVNOs. But they have roaming agreements with Verizon, and share in Verizon's hardware portfolio but their models are sold under different names/model numbers. However, these devices are IDENTICAL to the Verizon models, due to having the same FCC ID. That's all the proof you need.
The Verizon fanbois will be reluctant to admit it will exist because they like the believe the "exclusive" marketing LIES by Verizon. (Nothing about the Droid Turbo was exclusive to Verizon, except the "Droid" name -- because it's licensed by Verizon from Disney/LucasArts. Even the "Turbo" name was used by Motorola for another Quark phone.) This marketing lie was repeated verbatim by lazy bloggers/U.S. tech media who care more about Apple farts than anything Android-related.
These upcoming devices will work on the Verizon network just like a non-Verizon Nexus 6 -- and just like the XT1250 does.
When you find this device -- whatever the alternative model number/name is -- and buy it you will have to ensure it's unlocked from the carrier it's bought from since you will be paying full price. Again, this device will work on the Verizon network just like a non-Verizon Nexus 6. But it will be there -- just like the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 is available for anyone who wants a "dev" edition of the XT1254.
The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 is not to be confused with the International Moto Maxx XT1225 and Moto Turbo XT1225 (see even the Turbo name is not exclusive), which are also Moto Quark phones but do not have CDMA bands enabled, and have a slightly different mix of LTE bands. All the XT1225 models are the same device, in spite of having two model names (Moto Turob and Moto Maxx). Same FCC ID across all regions, same SKU.
See, there were basically two Motorola Quark phones -- with two different FCC IDs -- released under THREE model names:
FCC ID IHDT56PK1:
XT1254 U.S. Droid Turbo/XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx (identical device, CMDA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands -- except for model name). The XT1250 will run on Verizon, with a Verizon SIM card. This device has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13 enabled.
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XT1225 "international" Moto Turbo/XT1225 "international" Moto Maxx (identical device, GSM/HPSA/LTE bands, except for model names). This LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 enabled.
Of the two Quark models -- released under three models names (Moto Maxx, Moto Turbo, Droid Turbo) -- only the one with the model name "Droid Turbo" has locked down bootloader. The XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx is basically the "dev" version of the XT1254 "Droid Turbo" if you can get your hands on it. (unlock-able bootloader, can be easily rooted, TWRP installed, etc.)
I don't see why that would change for upcoming models. You just have to research and find what you need.
This has been the pattern the past few years, and I don't see why it would change, especially since Verizon can no longer lock out non-Verizon devices due to FCC agreement. They don't have to "activate" those devices, but if you swap in an already-activated SIM card will work just fine. Just like the non-Verizon Nexus 6.

ChazzMatt said:
For the upcoming 2015 models, let's look at recent history of last year's models...
Something like the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 (same device, same FCC ID as the Verizon Droid Turbo which PROVES it's the same device; same CDMA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands as the Droid Turb XT1254 -- but with unlock-able bootloader) will show up on the smaller, regional CDMA/LTE carriers.
These are actual standalone carriers, with their own spectrum -- NOT Verizon MVNOs. But they have roaming agreements with Verizon, and share in Verizon's hardware portfolio but their models are sold under different names/model numbers. However, these devices are IDENTICAL to the Verizon models, due to having the same FCC ID. That's all the proof you need.
The Verizon fanbois will be reluctant to admit it will exist because they like the believe the "exclusive" marketing LIES by Verizon. (Nothing about the Droid Turbo was exclusive to Verizon, except the "Droid" name -- because it's licensed by Verizon from Disney/LucasArts. Even the "Turbo" name was used by Motorola for another Quark phone.) This marketing lie was repeated verbatim by lazy bloggers/U.S. tech media who care more about Apple farts than anything Android-related.
These upcoming devices will work on the Verizon network just like a non-Verizon Nexus 6 -- and just like the XT1250 does.
When you find this device -- whatever the alternative model number/name is -- and buy it you will have to ensure it's unlocked from the carrier it's bought from since you will be paying full price. Again, this device will work on the Verizon network just like a non-Verizon Nexus 6. But it will be there -- just like the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 is available for anyone who wants a "dev" edition of the XT1254.
The XT1250 is not to be confused with the International Moto Maxx XT1225 and Moto Turbo XT1225 (see even the Turbo name is not exclusive), which are also Moto Quark phones but do not have CDMA bands enabled, and have a slightly different mix of LTE bands. All the XT1225 models are the same device, in spite of having two model names (Moto Turob and Moto Maxx). Same FCC ID across all regions, same SKU.
See, there were basically two Motorola Quark phones -- with two different FCC IDs -- released under THREE model names:
FCC ID IHDT56PK1: XT1254 U.S. Droid Turbo/XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx (identical device, CMDA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands -- except for model name). The XT1250 will run on Verizon, with a Verizon SIM card. This devices has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13 enabled.
FCC ID IHDT56PK2: XT1225 "international" Moto Turbo/XT1225 "international" Moto Maxx (identical device, GSM/HPSA/LTE bands, except for model names). This LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 enabled.
Of the two Quark models -- released under three models names -- only the one with the model name "Droid Turbo" has locked down bootloader. The XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx is basically the "dev" version of the XT1254 "Droid Turbo" if you can get your hands on it.
I don't see why that would change for upcoming models. You just have to research and find what you need.
This has been the pattern the past few years, and I don't see why it would change, especially since Verizon can no longer lock out non-Verizon devices due to FCC agreement. They don't have to "activate" those devices, but if you swap in an already-activated SIM card will work just fine. Just like the non-Verizon Nexus 6.
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this is exactly why im asking. im moving cross country in about a month going through several of these local carrier areas, so ill be able to go in to one of there physical stores a buy a XT1250 soon. but now with the new motos coming out im wondering if i should hold off.

I've had 4 VZW Android phones. The Turbo is the only one, so far, with a bootloader that can't be unlocked for free.
Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

Yes, all of the Verizon bootloader will be locked. Seems like a silly question.
Whether that will by bypassed or cracked is another story. Although bootloader unlocking is getting extremely difficult, so is very unlikely.
Obviously root is still a possibility though.

100 who ever can unlock the next gen droid nexus

JasonJoel said:
Yes, all of the Verizon bootloader will be locked. Seems like a silly question.
Whether that will by bypassed or cracked is another story. Although bootloader unlocking is getting extremely difficult, so is very unlikely.
Obviously root is still a possibility though.
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Is not a silly question at all. In fact yours was a silly (and wrong) reply.
1. I'm sending this message now from my xt1080m dev edition and official Verizon device with a oem unlockable bootloader.
2. The nexus 6 is currently available from Verizon. Oem unlockable.
3. Next gen moto x's were just announced to be universal (none carrier specific), and unlockable.
It's a brave new world.

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Next gen moto x's were just announced to be universal (none carrier specific), and unlockable.
It's a brave new world.
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But for the next gen Moto X, you will have to buy a non-Verizon model straight from Motorola website. Fantastic you will be able to do that but means Verizon still has not changed their "lock the bootloader!" ways. It's just that they can no longer block non-Verizon branded devices from connecting to their LTE network if those devices are compatible. (like a non-Verizon Nexus 6 or a U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 -- same device as the Droid Turbo.)
Motorola gladly unlocked ALL Quarks, except for the Verizon branded one, because Verizon would not let them. To this day, Verizon will not let them unlock the XT1254, even though the XT1250 (sold by smaller regional CMDA/LTE carriers) is IDENTICAL and runs on Verizon with a Verizon LTE card. The XT1250 can be unlocked because Verizon has no control over it.

Yes there are a few exceptions - nexus 6 for example.
All of the Verizon branded, non-nexus non-developer edition phones will continue to have locked boot loaders. Period.
So for Verizon, get a Nexus, developer, or 'pure' device if you want an unlocked bootloader.
So I stand by my original statement, just with a few qualifications.

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But for the next gen Moto X, you will have to buy a non-Verizon model straight from Motorola website. Fantastic you will be able to do that but means Verizon still has not changed their "lock the bootloader!" ways. It's just that they can no longer block non-Verizon branded devices from connecting to their LTE network if those devices are compatible. (like a non-Verizon Nexus 6 or a U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 -- same device as the Droid Turbo.)
Motorola gladly unlocked ALL Quarks, except for the Verizon branded one, because Verizon would not let them. To this day, Verizon will not let them unlock the XT1254, even though the XT1250 (sold by smaller regional CMDA/LTE carriers) is IDENTICAL and runs on Verizon with a Verizon LTE card. The XT1250 can be unlocked because Verizon has no control over it.
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yes, you need to look forward, cuz those days might be over. Motorola is spitting in the carriers faces and if it is profitable to them the rest for the companys will copy it. just like everything thing else in the cellular industry. the days of service providers pretending to be software developers is ending. and not a moment to soon

IMO unless Google changes their policy, I'd not expect Verizon or AT&T offering unlockable devices (that are not Nexus nor developer edition). Both cases generally have a workaround though; AT&T will work with any GSM phone that has the right bands (aka XT1225) and Verizon will work with an active 4G SIM also with a phone that has the right bands (aka XT1250). So what you simply need is to have a non-Verizon or non-AT&T version, that's it.

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IMO unless Google changes their policy, I'd not expect Verizon or AT&T offering unlockable devices (that are not Nexus nor developer edition). Both cases generally have a workaround though;
AT&T will work with any GSM phone that has the right bands (aka XT1225) and
Verizon will work with an active 4G SIM also with a phone that has the right bands (aka XT1250).
So what you simply need is to have a non-Verizon or non-AT&T version, that's it.
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And Verizon fanbois don't believe the marketing hype about "exclusive" devices for Verizon. For the Droid Turbo XT1250, the only thing exclusive was the "Droid" name. The exact same device with the exact same FCC ID was sold with the exact same specs and bands by other U.S. CDMA/LTE carriers as the XT1250 (U.S. Moto Maxx).
Motorola even used the "Turbo" part of the name for the Moto Turbo XT1225, which was a Quark sibling.
When Verizon says you can only buy the "Droid Turbo" at Verizon, they mean you can only buy the "tramp stamped" version at Verizon. You can buy the same phone elsewhere under a different name, with the same FCC ID -- with unlockable bootloader. The OTHER phone is actually a better phone!
By the way, for those looking for 64GB Moto MAXX XT1250, this CDMA/LTE carrier in Oklahoma seems to have one:
http://sprocketwireless.com/product/moto-maxx-xt-1250/
Moto Maxx XT 1250
No Contract: $725.00
Product Description
Display 5.2-inch AMOLED, Quad HD (1440 x 2560 pixels), 565 ppi
Processor 2.7 Ghz quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 805, Adreno 420
RAM 3GB
Camera Rear: 21MP. Front: 2MP
Battery 3,900 mAh
Storage 64GB, non-expandable
Networks 3G, LTE
Connectivity GPS, microUSB 2.0, WiFi a/b/g/n/ac, NFC, Bluetooth 4.0
Software Android 4.4 Kitkat
Dimensions 143.5 x 73.3 x 11.2mm – 176 g
Colors Black, Red
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You just have to convince them to sell it to you out of their market area... Tell them it's a gift for a relative or something...
One other carrier listed a 64GB months ago, but when people called to buy it, they were told it was an error in the website listing, that they only had 32GB in stock. So, confirm before you buy.

moto x play (style everywhere else in world) will be compatible with att, tmobile and verizon and will come directly from motorola.
to avoid all this carrier mess we have with locked bootloaders, motorola has listened.
check the networks:
http://www.motorola.com/on/demandwa...a_WE-Site/en/Product-Show?pid=moto-x-style-we
off course will be bootloader unlockable.

Jaocagomez said:
moto x play (style everywhere else in world) will be compatible with att, tmobile and verizon and will come directly from motorola.
to avoid all this carrier mess we have with locked bootloaders, motorola has listened.
check the networks:
http://www.motorola.com/on/demandwa...a_WE-Site/en/Product-Show?pid=moto-x-style-we
off course will be bootloader unlockable.
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Moto X Pure is what the Moto X Style is called in the U.S. Moto X Play is another device, rumors are it's a Droid Turbo variant for EU folks.
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There also are rumours about Droid Turbo 2.

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There also are rumours about Droid Turbo 2.
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This, i might be interested if they release an international bootloader free variant of it.

They won't. The international version will be the 'Play' model - which won't be the exact same as the Turbo 2 like the Turbo/Maxx were.

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This, i might be interested if they release an international bootloader free variant of it.
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They won't. The international version will be the 'Play' model - which won't be the exact same as the Turbo 2 like the Turbo/Maxx were.
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Current rumors are the Droid Turbo 2 will NOT be based on the Play model. You are thinking of the Droid Maxx 2, which will be the mid-tier 2015 Droid model.
Looks like Verizon will have two Droid models this year. (Not that I care about Verizon, but I have the international version of the Quark running on AT&T and am curious about the successor model.)
The top-tier model will be code name "Bounce" to replace the "Quark". Droid Turbo 2 for Verizon and Moto X Force for international. It will have a slightly smaller size (5.43") than the X Play (5.5") and yet have a larger battery. And it should still have unlock-able bootloader. No reason for it not to have it.
To be released in December, will probably have Android 6.0 Marshmallow already installed.
Current leaks show at least one variant that looks like dark blue Ballistic Nylon? (which in the Quark was really ballistic nylon + kevlar.)
http://www.mnrdaily.com/article/mot...eaks.to.come.out.in.different.colors/3705.htm
Motorola has already released two new smartphones under the Moto X series namely the Moto X Play and Moto X Style. Motorola is expected to market these devices in various regions across the world in different names and possibly with some unique feature for a particular region. There were rumors earlier of Motorola launching a new smartphone by the end of the year that would be called as Moto Bounce.
But yesterday, new reports claimed that the rumored Moto Bounce smartphone would be launched as the Moto X Force, which would be a shatterproof handset. Serial tipster @upleaks had posted an unofficial press render of the Moto Bounce, which he claimed would arrive in the market as the Moto X Force.
This time, @upleaks has posted a second series of renders that depicts the Moto X Force in three color variations available for the back cover. The Moto X Force is expected to be highly resistant to impact and shocks, and is considered to be shatterproof.
In terms of design, the Moto X Force appears similar to the Moto X Play, but is expected to arrive with different specifications. The Moto X Force will feature a 5.43 inch QHD display and will be powered by QUALCOMM's Snapdragon 810 processor, paired with 3GB of RAM. The Moto X Force will be available in 32GB and 64GB variants of on-board storage, and will sport a 21MP rear camera along with a 5MP front facing camera. The handset will pack a 3760mAh battery and is likely to run on Google's latest Android operating system.
The rumored specifications list suggests that the Moto X Force will be superior to the Moto X Style in terms of processor and battery size, and will have a smaller screen size, though the QHD display will deliver a better viewing experience.
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http://www.techtimes.com/articles/8...-again-this-time-in-various-color-options.htm
The mobile device will also include a 3,760mAh battery. (Because the Quark's 3900 mAh was too much?) To be released in December, the Moto X Force will probably come running on Android 6.0 Marshmallow straight out of the box.
If the leaked images are to be believed, then the upcoming handset will have two speaker grills at the bottom of the display screen.
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This person isn't sure the grills at the bottom are speakers. If not what are they?
http://phandroid.com/2015/09/04/mot...posed-again-shows-off-mysterious-new-sensors/
Late last evening, @Upleaks returned with a handful of new press renders, this time of the phone prominently displayed in white, along with red, white, and blue color options (‘Merica). The best part about the newly leaked white color is we get a much better look at Motorola’s strange sensors. You can see the dots — which are the same IR sensors that come on the Moto X Style — but what’s really interesting is the elongated ones which definitely aren’t speakers/mic... why wouldn’t they use the same grill as the top of the phone?.
So, what exactly are they? We have no clue. We’re hoping that huge chin bezel serves more purpose than simple hand gestures, perhaps hiding a fingerprint reader underneath. We saw Qualcomm experimenting with this technology back during Mobile World Congress, so it’s not too far fetched an idea.
One thing we want to point out on the leaked backs are the different accent colors surrounding the camera module. This could be a hint that the phone will also be available on Moto Maker for buyers to customize. We’ll keep our fingers crossed. As it stands, we’re going to hold off on all these new Androids until Motorola can at least make this device official. Don’t want to make any hasty decisions.
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OEM (bootloader unlocking)

So since the new droid turbo has this has a toggle under developer options you think we will see any root love? Its not supported on Motorola's website but maybe its just because its so new? or maybe it just followed over from another variants software? what do you all think?

The turbo 2 will maybe get root but I will bet my life it won't see an unlocked bootloader. It's a Verizon phone. They lock their phones down hardcore
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Yeah my only regret from switching back from at&t two years ago lol but at&t sucks where I live so grin and bear it.. I was just surprised when I saw that toggle under developer options...

This phone is packed with bloat but I was glad to see it will let you uninstall the games at least.

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This phone is packed with bloat but I was glad to see it will let you uninstall the games at least.
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It is when you fire it up but within 10 minutes I had that bloat turned off or disabled
I saw a lot of reviews complaining about the bloat but its esily dealt with

I agree definitely not as bad as some of my other phones

https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-a

Droid turbo 2 still isn't listed as supported

Might be later on though. This is still a brand new device.

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Might be later on though. This is still a brand new device.
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Probably just sharing software with Moto X Force which this will be called overseas. I am sure that version will be able to have an unlocked bootloader.

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Probably just sharing software with Moto X Force which this will be called overseas. I am sure that version will be able to have an unlocked bootloader.
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Lets hope so. This phone with custom software would be even better than it already is.

I am Droid Turbo 1 user here. That toggle means absolutely nothing. We also got that toggle when we got the Lollipop update, it's only for devices that have bootloaders that can be unlocked. Since, it's under the developer options, the toggle can't be removed. Enabling it will only do you harm, simply disables the device theft protection features without giving you anything in return. I recommend you keep it off. Don't get your hopes up about root either. When we were on 4.4.4 all we got was a temp-root, and now even on Lollipop we still don't have a root method. I just hope you guys don't have to go through the update crisis we went through.
EDIT: Just because the Moto X Force has root, don't assume it will work for you. The Turbo 1 has an international edition which got root, but doesn't work one bit on the US version.

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I am Droid Turbo 1 user here. That toggle means absolutely nothing. We also got that toggle when we got the Lollipop update, it's only for devices that have bootloaders that can be unlocked. Since, it's under the developer options, the toggle can't be removed. Enabling it will only do you harm, simply disables the device theft protection features without giving you anything in return. I recommend you keep it off. Don't get your hopes up about root either. When we were on 4.4.4 all we got was a temp-root, and now even on Lollipop we still don't have a root method. I just hope you guys don't have to go through the update crisis we went through.
EDIT: Just because the Moto X Force has root, don't assume it will work for you. The Turbo 1 has an international edition which got root, but doesn't work one bit on the US version.
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The Motorola link I posted earlier states that you can get a pin from motorola to unlock the bootloader but will have to agree to voiding your warranty.

Except the Turbo 2 isn't on the list, and never will be... So that link doesn't mean much to us...
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Considering if you do a Ctrl+F on the page and type "Verizon" the only hits on the page you'll get are for developer edition models, I wouldn't think they're going to suddenly decide that this phone should be allowed to be bootloader unlocked.

Aravindtop said:
I am Droid Turbo 1 user here. That toggle means absolutely nothing. We also got that toggle when we got the Lollipop update, it's only for devices that have bootloaders that can be unlocked. Since, it's under the developer options, the toggle can't be removed. Enabling it will only do you harm, simply disables the device theft protection features without giving you anything in return. I recommend you keep it off. Don't get your hopes up about root either. When we were on 4.4.4 all we got was a temp-root, and now even on Lollipop we still don't have a root method. I just hope you guys don't have to go through the update crisis we went through.
EDIT: Just because the Moto X Force has root, don't assume it will work for you. The Turbo 1 has an international edition which got root, but doesn't work one bit on the US version.
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ALL the Quarks (U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250, International Moto Maxx XT1225, Moto Turbo XT1225) had unlock-able bootloader and root, except for the Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254. Because Verizon told Motorola to lock it down.
But if you wanted root on that device, you had to buy the phone's twin -- the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250. It had identical FCC ID, was the EXACT SAME DEVICE as the Droid Turbo -- but bootloader could be unlocked and rooted. Many people bought it to run it on Verizon. It runs on Verizon with a Verizon SIM, just like a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6.
There were two Quark devices released under THREE model names. Kinzie will be the same, in that there will be a U.S. non-Verizon version available... Wait for the regional CDMA/LTE carrier version, unlock it and run it on Verizon...
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TWO MOTOROLA QUARK PHONES -- RELEASED UNDER THREE MODEL NAMES
The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 has the exact same bands as the Droid Turbo XT1254. Has the same FCC ID. The only difference is the XT1250 has an unlock-able bootloader. It's basically the dev version of the Droid Turbo. One of the best LIES Verizon ever foisted on the public is that the Droid Turbo was "exclusive". Only the Droid part of the NAME was exclusive -- because they own the rights to that name. Not the DEVICE, nor even the "Turbo" part of the name was exclusive. The EXACT same device, with exact same bands, exact same FCC ID is being sold by a dozen other carriers IN THE U.S.A.
The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 (CDMA/GSM/HSPA/LTE) is not to be confused with the International Moto Maxx XT1225 and Moto Turbo XT1225 (see even the Turbo name is not exclusive), which are also Moto Quark phones but do not have CDMA bands enabled, and have a slightly different mix of LTE bands. Both the "International" XT1225 models are the same device, in spite of having two model names (Moto Turbo and Moto Maxx). Same FCC ID across all regions, same SKU.
See, there were two Motorola Quark phones -- with two different FCC IDs -- released under THREE model names: Moto Maxx, Moto Turbo, Droid Turbo
FCC ID IHDT56PK1:
XT1254 U.S. Droid Turbo/XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx (identical device, CMDA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands -- except for model name). The XT1250 will run on Verizon, with a Verizon SIM card. This device has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13 enabled.
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FCC ID IHDT56PK2:
XT1225 "international" Moto Turbo/XT1225 "international" Moto Maxx (identical device, GSM/HPSA/LTE bands, except for model names). This device has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 enabled.
(Moto stock ROM for the XT1225 is still Lollipop 5.0.2 -- but we've had custom Lollipop 5.1.1 ROM for several months, even before Verizon finally released 5.1.0 for the Droid Turbo XT1254.)
Of the two Quark models -- released under three models names (Moto Maxx, Moto Turbo, Droid Turbo) -- only the one with the model name "Droid Turbo" has locked down bootloader. The XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx is basically the "dev" version of the XT1254 "Droid Turbo" if you can get your hands on it. (unlock-able bootloader, can be easily rooted, TWRP installed, etc.)
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The two FCC IDs associated with the Kinzie are:
* IHDT56UA1 (Droid Turbo 2) < this will be the same FCC ID for the U.S. non-Verizon variant.
FCC letter: https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2690015 (lists Verizon LTE band 13)
* IHDT56UA2 (international Moto X Force)
FCC letter: https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2711123
Motorola is only required to list the GSM/HSPA/LTE bands used by carriers in the U.S. in their specifications to the FCC. Of course, we know the Moto X Force has many, many more LTE bands than those listed in that letter. It's only important so you can track the FCC ID. (Last year, Motorola did not list all the LTE bands the XT1225 Moto Maxx had, even in their official specs -- until they released the identical XT1225 Moto Turbo in India. THEN, then finally listed all the HSPA/LTE bands we had already found. )
Just like with last year's Quarks, Motorola swears all the Kinzies are identical in specs except for CDMA/LTE differences:
https://fccid.io/document.php?id=2711123

So, based on this, we should be able to buy a Force and enable it to use the SW locked out LTE & CDMA bands required to make it fully functional on VZW?

Where to buy the unlockable turbo 2 having CDMA bands ??

asuhoops8628 said:
So, based on this, we should be able to buy a Force and enable it to use the SW locked out LTE & CDMA bands required to make it fully functional on VZW?
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Hmm...same question here.

aneeshmbabu said:
Where to buy the unlockable turbo 2 having CDMA bands ??
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Its not out yet. It is called the Moto X Force. We do not know for sure if it has these CDMA bands, but based on the info posted above, it should, since the FCC filing basically is certifying it as identical to the DT2, which has CDMA bands. Basically, our DT2s should also have the international GSM bands as well, but the SW locks them out.
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Hmm...same question here.
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I am thinking of picking a Force up on Swappa when it comes out and trying to get it unlocked and running on vzw. If not, I will prob just switch to T-Mobile. I am tired of VZW locked down phones. I love moto, and since they are no longer doing DEs, this is my only hope.
EDIT: I have reread this post a bunch of times. It looks like there is a solid chance that the Force WILL NOT have CDMA bands, but WILL have LTE band 13?