CONFIRMED DROID TURBO WORKING IN EUROPE
I live Norway, but am from Louisiana, bought my Droid Turbo outright from Best Buy
I knew all the past trouble with VZW, global, CDMA and roaming.
But with the upcoming unlocked era, the radio bands from the specs and a bit of homework, all signs pointed to this working.
Worst case scenario would have been tethering it off my Nexus 5 anyway.
So I ordered a nanoSIM from my company provider, Netcom.
I popped it in and got the following:
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Ugh, C'mon SIM Card is not from Verizon ? Than sounds pretty locked to me.
I tried a few more times rebooting in Global, CDMA, and GSM modes to be sure.
No connection, no networks found, Voice data blocked, no service.
OK, time to call Verizon. Let's just say their organization doesn't handle call transfers well when you don't have a verizon account.
The low level tech support told me the Droid Turbo is unlocked from the box, they couldnt lock any of their 4G phones if they wanted.
But, when I mentioned the "SIM Card is not from Verizon" he transferred me to Motorola.
Motorola rep insisted that message indicated a locked status, ans referred me back to Verizon.
Next level insisted to me that its not locked and even that DT doesnt use a nanoSIM, which I eventually convinced her contrary to their latest reference material nanoSIMs aren't just iPhone anymore.
After another 45min of bouncing around their phone systems, and explaining I just want to use a local SIM in Europe, I finally got up to top level tech Global support.
Now this guy was actually helpful.after establishing I knew my way around android and understood GSM vs CDMA etc, we determined the message might be remnants of a lock program. Since I was blocked from even viewing any mobile networks, he had me manually enter the APN for Netcom here and restart. It was then I got to tell him about the wonderful DT bug of ART runtime and the "Android is upgrading" optimization on EVERY restart. He took note of that. He got my email and I send him screenshots of the locked/blocked notifications to send to his Motorola liaison.
Reboot, still nothing, same errors. Out of desperation, we rebooted one more time in desperation.
Agonizing wait, then BOOM! signal! NOt sure if it was the wait, or number of reboots but it finally took, even with the non-Verizon SIM notification. Edge only in my house , but that normal, but I went for a ride around the block and got several channels of Edge, GPRS, HPSA and a sniff of HPSA+!!. I will test 4G LTE when I drive though a coverage area tomorrow. It also sees the other provider here, Telenor.
So we have a true global phone, with hiccups. Do your homework with frequency bands, and be patient with SIMS, registration, reboots.
Awesome! Now talk to that same Motorola tech about getting your bootloader unlocked!!!!
quadracer06 said:
Awesome! Now talk to that same Motorola tech about getting your bootloader unlocked!!!!
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This was not a high level Moto Support guy, I did ask about bootloaders while i had him on the line, he said "Yeah if its the Developer Editions go to the Moto website and find the unlock tool", so usual line.
I did a drive though town today and the DT did not connect to 4G in Global or GSM modes, so I gotta try a few more things.
But it did hold a pretty good HPSA+ around the town and even connected to UMTS way out on the island I work on.
So confirmed VZW Droid Turbo connection to GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HPSA, and HPSA+ in Europe so far.
Droid Turbo working Well @ Malaysia too！
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subvertz said:
This was not a high level Moto Support guy, I did ask about bootloaders while i had him on the line, he said "Yeah if its the Developer Editions go to the Moto website and find the unlock tool", so usual line.
I did a drive though town today and the DT did not connect to 4G in Global or GSM modes, so I gotta try a few more things.
But it did hold a pretty good HPSA+ around the town and even connected to UMTS way out on the island I work on.
So confirmed VZW Droid Turbo connection to GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HPSA, and HPSA+ in Europe so far.
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in Italy Droid Turbo is confirmed that works on LTE too.
the phone is globaly unlocked
if in ur country there are operators that use the LTE bands from turbo,u will get 4g lte without problems.
Now let's unlock additional LTE bands!
Well, with Moto Maxx theoretically possible since we have unlockable bootloader and root. So, not yet possible on Droid Turbo (locked bootloader, no root yet).
I messed with it last weekend for a couple of hours on one of my Moto Maxx phones, then had to put it on hold. During the work week, I can't devote time to it. Gonna take another stab at it this weekend.
ChazzMatt said:
Now let's unlock additional LTE bands!
Well, with Moto Maxx theoretically possible since we have unlockable bootloader and root. I messed with it last weekend for a couple of hours, then had to put it on hold. During the work week, I can't devote time to it. Gonna take another stab at it this weekend.
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band 20
with this band unlocked ,it will be the perfect smartphone.
but i guess it s quite near impossible.
My provider Netcom has LTE bands 3,7,20
Droid Turbo specs claim LTE bands 2,3,4,7,13
So we have a match for 3 (2600MHz) & 7 (1800MHz)
For some reason is hasn't connected automatically yet.
Are you running Global mode or LTE/GSM/UMTS mode in Italy?
I have requested the VZW tech to request Moto to unlock me so I can get him network stats, logcats etc.
Its a long shot, but worth it. Stay tuned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-UTRA#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
Turbo in Ireland
Got my turbo from best buy early November, brought it to Ireland the next day. On the same day i got a načo sim from my provider (3). Swapped Verizon sim for my new one, turned the phone on and apart from "sim card not from Verizon" notification everything works perfectly, 3g,hspa+,Lte, you name it, it works. No tinkering or messing around with settings required, apart from setting your access point obviously.
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Got my turbo from best buy early November, brought it to Ireland the next day. On the same day i got a načo sim from my provider (3). Swapped Verizon sim for my new one, turned the phone on and apart from "sim card not from Verizon" notification everything works perfectly, 3g,hspa+,Lte, you name it, it works. No tinkering or messing around with settings required, apart from setting your access point obviously.
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What provider/ frequency bands are you on in Ireland and Italy?
4g/lte frequencies/bands in ireland
subvertz said:
What provider/ frequency bands are you on in Ireland and Italy?
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My carrier is Three, however to my knowledge the following applies to all carriers in Ireland.
1800Mhz (3)
900Mhz (9)
800Mhz (20)
lol.. I'm not the only crazy Italian guy buyin' this (LOCKED) beast!
Mato0309 said:
My carrier is Three, however to my knowledge the following applies to all carriers in Ireland.
1800Mhz (3)
900Mhz (9)
800Mhz (20)
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Dammit I got the same bands and its not connecting to LTE,
I have been on the phone with Netcom, Motorola, even Verizon and nobody can figure it out.
The tech support people at Moto talked me into doing a factory reset. I should have known better.
Now I cant connect to any network. 2G, 3G, or 4G.
Need ideas.....
ChazzMatt said:
Now let's unlock additional LTE bands!
Well, with Moto Maxx theoretically possible since we have unlockable bootloader and root. So, not yet possible on Droid Turbo (locked bootloader, no root yet).
I messed with it last weekend for a couple of hours on one of my Moto Maxx phones, then had to put it on hold. During the work week, I can't devote time to it. Gonna take another stab at it this weekend.
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I thought the LTE bands from every Moto phone is bound to hardware limitations and cannot be unlocked software-wise?
For the Sony z1c you can unlock all LTE bands: http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ad-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269
Or did you find a way how to unlock other LTE bands on Moto phones? Cause we (the Moto X owners) would love to unlock all LTE bands!
dagoban said:
I thought the LTE bands from every Moto phone is bound to hardware limitations and cannot be unlocked software-wise?
For the Sony z1c you can unlock all LTE bands: http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ad-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269
Or did you find a way how to unlock other LTE bands on Moto phones? Cause we (the Moto X owners) would love to unlock all LTE bands!
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This is as far as I've gotten. But I'm trying to not to screw up my phone.
This is how far I've gotten.
I'm not sure what to choose. Some people say in the threads that in this program "WCDMA" category also applies LTE bands, while others say you need to do something else. Conflicting info. I'm trying to read everything again to see which is correct.
Since there's no band 12, I think I need a secondary program mentioned in those threads.
ChazzMatt said:
This is as far as I've gotten. But I'm trying to not to screw up my phone.
This is how far I've gotten.
I'm not sure what to choose. Some people say in the threads that in this program "WCDMA" category also applies LTE bands, while others say you need to do something else. Conflicting info. I'm trying to read everything again to see which is correct.
Since there's no band 12, I think I need a secondary program mentioned in those threads.
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how did u make it conect to pc??
can u add some info?
i want to try it too and add band 20 to my Moto Maxx
thank u
I wonder if "VI - Japan 800" is the same as Band 20 (800 MHZ)?
danger2u said:
how did u make it conect to pc??
can u add some info?
i want to try it too and add band 20 to my Moto Maxx
thank u
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OK, using this guide and the numbers from the NV calculator, I enabled all the LTE bands I wanted.
chevanlol360 said:
Incase anyone is wondering this value will "theoretically" enable band 12 and the other ones listed below on the OPO
LTE:Band 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 19, 20, 21
06828: 1906911
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I confirmed this number.
So, I changed the value and after reboot it kept the new value.
As the Moto Maxx was being tested to be the Nexus 6 as late as mid-August, it has the same capabilities of the Nexus 6 (including Qi wireless charging, which is VERY unusual on a Moto phone). Thus it can also handle LTE band 12 just like the Moto Maxx, not that it matters. It was LTE band 5 I was more worried about. When this phone with this same FCC ID number went through the FCC it had LTE band 5 enabled, but when sold in Puerto Rico (U.S. territory) with this same FCC ID number, LTE band 5 was no longer present but LTE band 3 was enabled.
Now they are all enabled.
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dagoban said:
I wonder if "VI - Japan 800" is the same as Band 20 (800 MHZ)?
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QPST and mzTool seem to be only for enabling 2G/3G bands.
You need QXDM to edit/enable LTE bands. I wasted a lot of time on QPST and mzTool. I already have all the GSM/HSPA bands I need. I wanted more LTE bands. Once I figured out what each was good for, then I concentrated on QXDM, and the NV/LTE browser with the NV calculator app. Somone else had already calculated the number, but I double checked it. Then I "wrote" it. When I rebooted and checked the number again, the edited value was still there.
(You do need QPST installed to use QXDM, so you do need both programs.)
The hardest part was the steps to get the COM ports to show up in QPST and QXDM. Last weekend I spent a couple of hours and never could get it to connect. Today, I spend like 6 hours on it, and was successful.
The only issue is all I have to guage my success right now is the NV calculator numbers. I went out driving around and the only AT&T bands I could find within a 3 mile radius were bands 2 and 17, which I already had. LTE band 5 may not even be in use in the Atlanta metro area. I don't know.
Some phones have hidden service menus (accessed via dialer codes) that will display all the bands you are capable of receiving, but the Moto menu I've accessed does not seem to have that option.
thanks a lot for the good instructions!
You could even write a full tutorial now especially as you mentioned it took you 6hours to get the phone actually connected to the PC.
Now its all a matter of whether the antennas / mboards / chips really are different or if there are hardware limitations for the LTE bands...
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Can you kindly check your phones to see if quad band UMTS is supported? Very curious to see if 850/1900 3g/HSPA are supported out of the box.
I think on the SGS, the code to view bands was *#2263#
Many thanks in advance!
2100, 1900, 900, 850
Epedemic said:
2100, 1900, 900, 850
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Sweet! Just made my day
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2100, 1900, 900, 850
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Pics or it didn't happen.
Seriously, though, I'll sleep a lot better if I can get a screenshot showing that.
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That doesn't mean they are working. Many android phones show freqs in the service menu that they are not capable of.
nomisunrider said:
That doesn't mean they are working. Many android phones show freqs in the service menu that they are not capable of.
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Yes, but in stock form, those bands are NEVER enabled. Stock SGS only (and accurately) showed 3 bands enabled for WCDMA in automatic mode (see below), so this is VERY good news!
Thanks a bunch guys!!!
Any reason why expansys is telling their customers that the phones are locked down to two bands?
ph00ny said:
Any reason why expansys is telling their customers that the phones are locked down to two bands?
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Well, like I asked the other gentleman who said he talked to "Expansys employees that claim to have been playing with an I9100 and it only showed 2 bands for UMTS supported"... HOW did Expansys do this exactly?
If it was Expansys in the UK (which is the only location where they would have the handsets at this time), they can't test the 850/1900 bands. Then, at the time they claimed to have seen only dual UMTS band support, root wasn't available so no way could they have checked the actual bands enabled.
My guess: They were talking out of their ass.
Its normal for only two 3G bands to be enabled at once in my own experience with unlocked phones. There may be exceptions but I havent run into them over quite a few phones from moto, SE HTC or nokia. I had read this was due to battery life and the fact that you are not going to be anywhere where you can use three of them. The question is I think if expansys knew what they were doing when they tried to switch to the 850/1900. The phone would have needed to be rooted I believe based on what I read and whether they took this step is an unknown. If they had switched over the fact that it showed 850/1900 enabled and they were dumped to 2G would be pretty good evidence it worked. I am surprised we have not yet had anyone drop an at&t sim in a rooted phone yet and put this to rest. My trigger button is most twitchy.....
krabman said:
Its normal for only two 3G bands to be enabled at once in my own experience with unlocked phones. There may be exceptions but I havent run into them over quite a few phones from moto, SE HTC or nokia.
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Don't know about all those other phones, but if you look at my Samsung Galaxy S (unlocked) automatic band selection screenshot for 3g/WCMDA, it accurately only has the 3 supported bands enabled. 850, which its hardware does not support, is automatically disabled.
If these I9100s are on automatic mode, then I fully believe that 850 is indeed supported.
The point is that normally only two of them will actually work at once, not three or four. They can all be enabled but enabled and actually working at the same time is a different story.
edit... You keep on preaching to the choir btw, I think it works too, my point all along is you dont know it works until it actually does. Been right here in this exact spot and burned before. Dont think it will happen in this case but it can happen. For me when someone has it working it works. Until then I think it should work but dont know for a fact. Neither do you. As of my typing this not a single person has reported it working on AT&T bands or even being able to actually switch to and enable them in any search I have done which would last be about as long as it took me to type this ago.
Many phones shows frequencies in the service menu that they are not capable of. For example, the T-mobile G2X...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13039472&highlight=menu#post13039259
I agree that it "should" work, but like the g2x, we will not know for sure until someone actually does it.
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The point is that normally only two of them will actually work at once, not three or four. They can all be enabled but enabled and actually working at the same time is a different story.
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Yeah, I think we're again in violent agreement, that's why I'm not preaching to you specifically. BTW, where is the technical proof that since my SGS has 3 UMTS bands enabled default, only 2 of them work at anytime? I work in antenna design, and from my understanding of band selection for most wireless chips, they don't necessarily work in pairs.
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Many phones shows frequencies in the service menu that they are not capable of. For example, the T-mobile G2X...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13039472&highlight=menu#post13039259
I agree that it "should" work, but like the g2x, we will not know for sure until someone actually does it.
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Your screen only shows that you can personally enable whatever band you want, doesn't show your phone's actual DEFAULTED/automatic mode enabled bands. You're not showing what every I9100 user above is showing. I hate to say it, but seriously, apples & oranges.
Since you're really bent on proving a point, can you show me which bands were ACTUALLY enabled with that g2x after you click on "Automatic?" Then, we'd be comparing the same thing.
Clove says SGSII will work on ATT bands
I have it in writing. I asked them directly and the response is below:
Apr 27
Hello, yes the Samsung Galaxy S 2 has been confirmed to work with AT&T voice and data network across the USA
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Sales Team
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TEL: +44 (0)1202 552936
FAX: +44 (0)1202 552937
Email: [email protected]
Website: www.clove.co.uk
Sebring5 said:
I have it in writing. I asked them directly and the response is below:
Apr 27
Hello, yes the Samsung Galaxy S 2 has been confirmed to work with AT&T voice and data network across the USA
Regards
Sales Team
Clove Technology
TEL: +44 (0)1202 552936
FAX: +44 (0)1202 552937
Email: [email protected]
Website: www.clove.co.uk
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Thanks a bunch, but their response is a bit vague as they could be talking about just 2G/Edge + Voice over quad-band GSM. We are debating the quad-band UMTS 3G/HSPA support that is specified on Samsung's website, but has been challenged as of late.
cmd512 said:
Thanks a bunch, but their response is a bit vague as they could be talking about just 2G/Edge + Voice over quad-band GSM. We are debating the quad-band UMTS 3G/HSPA support that is specified on Samsung's website, but has been challenged as of late.
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This was the question put to them:
Will this phone support all ATT voice and data frequencies? I plan to use it with an ATT sim card. If it will not work with the ATT sim card, I need to cancel the order. The phone will be useless to me.
Their answer on April 27:
Hello yes the Samsung Galaxy S 2 has been confirmed to work with AT&T voice and data network across the USA
Regards
Sales Team
Clove Technology
Sebring5 said:
This was the question put to them:
Will this phone support all ATT voice and data frequencies? I plan to use it with an ATT sim card. If it will not work with the ATT sim card, I need to cancel the order. The phone will be useless to me.
Their answer:
Hello yes the Samsung Galaxy S 2 has been confirmed to work with AT&T voice and data network across the USA
Regards
Sales Team
Clove Technology
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Right, but you didn't specify 3G/HSPA speeds on AT&T data. UMTS/3G bands are separate from your normal GSM quad-bands. The GSM quad-bands will still give you AT&T voice and data, but the data portion will only be 2G/Edge speeds at best.
Hope this helps to clarify why Clove's response is somewhat vague.
So the story goes like this...
I had a Nexus 5 but sold it because I didn't like the big size. So I then went to a Moto X XT1058 and wanted to root/unlock for tethering etc. Then I realized I couldn't do that so I sold that for the Developer Edition XT1053. Now I've unlocked and rooted on 4.4.2 stock rom.
Only problem is that with my XT 1053 doesn't have any LTE and it only shows 4G and the speeds reflect it. Now I do know the XT1053 is somewhat a t-mobile model more so then the 1058 and it might be missing some LTE bands but according to what I've read the band that's missing isn't really used in the US?
Well I'm in Vermont and I had LTE on the XT1058 version but not with the XT1053 :/
Is Vermont the only place that the missing band effects?
I even did more things to test this... I got a new sim card and made sure LTE was provisioned on the account, I did an IMEI change to have my plan show I'm using the XT1058 AT&T version because I've heard if AT&T doesn't recognize the imei then they limit you at HSDPA.
Can I mod something or flash something to get LTE?! I love the developer edtion but I want to have my cake and eat it too.
TL;DR I dont get LTE on my XT1053 even though other people do from what I've read. Even after new roms and IMEI changes.
evilp8ntballer7 said:
So the story goes like this...
I had a Nexus 5 but sold it because I didn't like the big size. So I then went to a Moto X XT1058 and wanted to root/unlock for tethering etc. Then I realized I couldn't do that so I sold that for the Developer Edition XT1053. Now I've unlocked and rooted on 4.4.2 stock rom.
Only problem is that with my XT 1053 doesn't have any LTE and it only shows 4G and the speeds reflect it. Now I do know the XT1053 is somewhat a t-mobile model more so then the 1058 and it might be missing some LTE bands but according to what I've read the band that's missing isn't really used in the US?
Well I'm in Vermont and I had LTE on the XT1058 version but not with the XT1053 :/
Is Vermont the only place that the missing band effects?
I even did more things to test this... I got a new sim card and made sure LTE was provisioned on the account, I did an IMEI change to have my plan show I'm using the XT1058 AT&T version because I've heard if AT&T doesn't recognize the imei then they limit you at HSDPA.
Can I mod something or flash something to get LTE?! I love the developer edtion but I want to have my cake and eat it too.
TL;DR I dont get LTE on my XT1053 even though other people do from what I've read. Even after new roms and IMEI changes.
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4G=LTE? or i'm seriously missing something
EDIT: I just remembered that tmo icons use 4G for hsdpa and 4GLTE for lte.
On AT&T 4G is HSPA+, I believe, but not LTE
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On AT&T 4G is HSPA+, I believe, but not LTE
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Right I believe so, I have flashed many other roms. Even CM11, Gummyrom, Liquid smooth, etc
All in hopes that some would enable the LTE but none did, some roms showed H+ but still about the same speeds. One rom even locked me at 3G only.
Everywhere I've read people say that the XT1053 will work fine on AT&T LTE but am I the only person that is effected?
I wish their was a site that showed the lte bands that are in use per state/area so i can compare.
I'm in Connecticut and get LTE and HSPA+, depending on location, on my 1053
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I'm in Connecticut and get LTE and HSPA+, depending on location, on my 1053
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So your icon shows LTE instead of 4G W/ your att sim?
I am getting AT&T LTE on my TMO/XT1053 in Philadelphia. The notification bar icon is different than the one used on the AT&T Moto X. I think AT&T wanted to make it more obvious.
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I am getting AT&T LTE on my TMO/XT1053 in Philadelphia. The notification bar icon is different than the one used on the AT&T Moto X. I think AT&T wanted to make it more obvious.
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hmmm. Thanks. Anyway you could post your APN settings? Maybe a screen shot
I did some more research and found that the motox XT1053 is missing LTE bands 5 & 7 according to this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X
but then it shows AT&T USA not even using bands 5 or 7 here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
so what does that mean?
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Not sure how to get APN on this
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I believe it has to do with the frequency used in the area. Band and freq are both used. Even though it says 850, 1700, or 1900. There is a band width of 15MHz blocks.
I feel this is better representation of the freq and bands used. According to this Band 5 on Freq 850
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies
aswell as this from ATT which states they use the 1900 and 850
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=14003
Tmobile moto x don't have band 5. Vermont is hilly (I am from West Virginia, I consider the Appalachian mountains hills lol). ATT may use band 5 there because it will have better penetration against the hills.
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There's a combination of dial pad keys usually, #56* etc.
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evilp8ntballer7 said:
hmmm. Thanks. Anyway you could post your APN settings? Maybe a screen shot
I did some more research and found that the motox XT1053 is missing LTE bands 5 & 7 according to this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X
but then it shows AT&T USA not even using bands 5 or 7 here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
so what does that mean?
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Attached are 3 screen shots of the APN settings for "AT&T Phone" on my XT1053.
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southern87 said:
I believe it has to do with the frequency used in the area. Band and freq are both used. Even though it says 850, 1700, or 1900. There is a band width of 15MHz blocks.
I feel this is better representation of the freq and bands used. According to this Band 5 on Freq 850
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies
aswell as this from ATT which states they use the 1900 and 850
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=14003
Tmobile moto x don't have band 5. Vermont is hilly (I am from West Virginia, I consider the Appalachian mountains hills lol). ATT may use band 5 there because it will have better penetration against the hills.
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Attached are 3 screen shots of the APN settings for "AT&T Phone" on my XT1053.
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Thanks for the screen shots, mine are the same so we know its not the apn settings as an issue.
Also @ southern87 I'm worried that may be the case that in VT AT&T uses LTE on band 5 and I'm only stuck on "3.5G" speeds that are about 5down and 2up on a good day.
Anyone know if this is a hardware limitation or a software hack we can change like the nexus 4 lte band issue.
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Thanks for the screen shots, mine are the same so we know its not the apn settings as an issue.
Also @ southern87 I'm worried that may be the case that in VT AT&T uses LTE on band 5 and I'm only stuck on "3.5G" speeds that are about 5down and 2up on a good day.
Anyone know if this is a hardware limitation or a software hack we can change like the nexus 4 lte band issue.
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I had this same issue in VT on my XT1053 back in December. I consulted with AT&T, who told me they are using Band 5 in VT for LTE. I then consulted with Motorola via G+, who told me that the XT1053 does not and never will support Band 5 LTE. I can't post a link because I don't post on XDA enough. Do a G+ search for "Moto X Band 5 LTE" and see my post on December 30, 2013. Matt Jones from Motorola confirmed the lack of Band 5 in the comments.
I switched to the XT1058.
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I had this same issue in VT on my XT1053 back in December. I consulted with AT&T, who told me they are using Band 5 in VT for LTE. I then consulted with Motorola via G+, who told me that the XT1053 does not and never will support Band 5 LTE. I can't post a link because I don't post on XDA enough. Do a G+ search for "Moto X Band 5 LTE" and see my post on December 30, 2013. Matt Jones from Motorola confirmed the lack of Band 5 in the comments.
I switched to the XT1058.
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I found it here: https://plus.google.com/+ZacharyRand/posts/TkMxVvgAGbJ
Dang thats the same problem I have. 4down and 2up isn't really good when my Nexus 5 had I think 15down and 6up but it was just to big for my hands.
Thanks for letting me know. Its such a shame, I actually have both the XT1058 and XT1053 in front of me but opted for the XT1053 for the bootloader unlockability/tethering etc.
I guess my only hope is that down the road they (AT&T) could use another LTE band in VT and then it would solve the problem in a different way.
Is thier any indication that AT&T would move off the band 5 to use another band for a better reason?
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I found it here: https://plus.google.com/+ZacharyRand/posts/TkMxVvgAGbJ
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I guess my only hope is that down the road they (AT&T) could use another LTE band in VT and then it would solve the problem in a different way.
Is thier any indication that AT&T would move off the band 5 to use another band for a better reason?
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AFAIK AT&T just started using LTE Band 5 in USA recently, so I think it is not likely they would abandon it.
FWIW I use 1053 on GoPhone in NYC and it almost always shows 4G LTE.
Is it possible to flash NON-HLOS.img (radio image) from the AT&T flash files and enable the other bands on the XT1053, or is there an actual hardware limitation? Usually, the amplifiers are tuned, but you might be able to get something, unless the baseband throws a hissy fit. You don't need 1700MHz 2G as that's only for T-Mobile.
Legally, Moto would have to re-certify the XT1053 for band 5 LTE, which is why it'll never officially support it.
Are you using the exact same SIM you were using for the Nexus 5 that worked with LTE? I thought you have to have something provisioned for LTE to be working in the first place.
My wife and I both have 1053's that work with LTE on AT&T. We've both used it with LTE successfully in Chicago +suburbs, Austin, Houston, and Dallas.
The hardware is different between the xt1053 and xt1058, no amount of flashing will add the band you require to get LTE in your area.
Has anyone actually tested a Moto X Pure 2015 in a T-Mobile LTE Band 12 area to see if the phone actually has T-Mobile Band 12 disabled, and how the phone handles that if so?
The Motorola website still shows LTE Band 12, with the footnote that it varies by carrier. Compare this with the Moto G, which initially showed Band 12 and then suddenly Band 12 disappeared from the Motorola specs page without any explanation from Motorola.
TIA...
I am currently on T-Mobile (Ting) in a band 12 active area, and I am only getting band 4.
I've been looking into activating all bands according to the details in some of these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/how-to-add-rf-lte-frequency-bands-to-t2886059
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1211157
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/general/guide-xt1097-to-xt1095-nextel-t2972693
I updated the radio on my HTC with QPST, and it looks like it might be easier with moto since the motos have a special BP Tools mode in the fastboot.
My biggest concern is that we may need a custom kernel first if the base kernel has anti-tamper code.
After I first activated on ting, my phone was stuck in HSPA+ and would not connect via LTE.
I went into the engineering/field test mode using *#*#INFO#*#* (*#*#4636#*#*) and changed the "Set preferred network type" from WCDMA preferred to LTE/GSM auto (PRL).
I also turned off "IMS Registration Required" and turned on SMS over IMS.
There is a "Select Radio Band" feature in the menu that offers 3 choices for "Set GSM/UMTS Band". The options are USA Band, Cellular, and PCS.
I have read that if you make a band selection, the only way to get it back to unspecified is to reflash your radio. This seems particularly bad for those in europe, who often disable their radios by selecting "USA Band".
I of course discovered this after already selecting a preferred band.
Maybe someone with experience with updating the radio on a Moto can weigh in here.
I would like to reflash my radio preference back to unspecified, but I'm not sure how to go about it, or if it actually matters.
Motorola says they are going to add LTE Band 12 for T-Mobile in a software update to Moto X Pure 2015.
When, is the question.
Thanks for letting us know your real world test results.
ErikHellstrom said:
I am currently on T-Mobile (Ting) in a band 12 active area, and I am only getting band 4.
Maybe someone with experience with updating the radio on a Moto can weigh in here.
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You need to basically repeat the process you did for your HTC. Enter BPTools mode. Make sure you have the drivers installed (Moto, and either their USB modem driver, or your HTC driver will work as well) and then use QXDM to update your band preference for LTE. Also, make sure to use an up to date QXDM, otherwise it won't work. From what I've heard, it's hit or miss with the 810, because they have updated their anti-tampering code from the 805, and while I haven't tried this yet myself (I'm waiting on Moto update, but only so much longer...) this would be how to get it going. Good luck!
Edit: Also, if you meant just getting your stock settings for your radio back, you can just reflash stock. If you're unlocked (bootloader), you can root, install TWRP recovery and then reflash.
ErikHellstrom, your post was about your HTC?
I am looking for real world results with stock Moto X Style (Pure) 2015 edition phones, with the initial release Android 5.1.1 shipping on these phones in September 2015.
Again: On T-Mobile, LTE Band 12, in areas with Band 12.
Thanks again for any info that anyone can provide.
Tinkerer_ said:
ErikHellstrom, your post was about your HTC?
I am looking for real world results with stock Moto X Style (Pure) 2015 edition phones, with the initial release Android 5.1.1 shipping on these phones in September 2015.
Again: On T-Mobile, LTE Band 12, in areas with Band 12.
Thanks again for any info that anyone can provide.
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No I am on MXPE1575, with T-Mobile(Ting) in a Band 12 area.
Motorola has announced plans to roll out the activation of Band 12 and VOLTE to MXPE phones, but not a date.
My understanding is that calls will fail if you are connected to Band 12 without VOLTE, because you can connect to a tower too far away to handle a traditional call.
So if you activate band 12 without activating VOLTE you may end up connecting to towers that cannot facilitate a phone call for you. Although some have said that your phone will hop over to band 4 for call notification. I don't know much about this, so I can't verify.
You should be able to edit your radio using specialized Qualcomm software to activate the radio bands and possibly the VOLTE, if you don't want to wait for the official update from motorola.
Matt at Moto forums seems to be indicating that the Moto Band 12/VOLTE activation updates will be coming quite soon.
Is there any quote or article that says it? If it's true, then I will probably end up getting the phone.
komugi said:
Is there any quote or article that says it? If it's true, then I will probably end up getting the phone.
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https://forums.motorola.com/comment/977403
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any updates on this? i like my moto x pure so far but i'm in a band 12 area and would like to get the most out of it. i'm coming from a samsung S5 and i don't believe that had band 12
fiftythreefly said:
any updates on this? i like my moto x pure so far but i'm in a band 12 area and would like to get the most out of it. i'm coming from a samsung S5 and i don't believe that had band 12
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patience brother I am a Verizon customer and also waiting to try out tmobile (again) but with band12 to see how it works.
I test from time to time using simple mobile preloaded sim on ebay they sell on ebay for few bucks 1 place where I am almost everyday has 1 bar and no service and that is in Queens,NY inside the building but once outside signal is perfect.
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patience brother I am a Verizon customer and also waiting to try out tmobile (again) but with band12 to see how it works.
I test from time to time using simple mobile preloaded sim on ebay they sell on ebay for few bucks 1 place where I am almost everyday has 1 bar and no service and that is in Queens,NY inside the building but once outside signal is perfect.
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i'm just excited is all i've been with tmobile since i was 15 years old (nearly 20 years ago) and am hoping this new band 12 improves upon their service around here, but at the moment i get LTE with speeds of about 30mb/s so no complaints, but if i go south about 10 miles i lose service
Since moto has gone pure Android, can we use regular fastboot or do they still use moto-fastboot? If regular fastboot we can just flash a radio.img correct?
I just ordered a Nexus 6 (killer deal on ebay for $300 + free shipping) ... curious to see if I'll notice a big difference in signal strength/quality seeing it has Band 12 enabled. If I do, I guess I'll have a choice to make LOL
YankInDaSouth said:
I just ordered a Nexus 6 (killer deal on ebay for $300 + free shipping) ... curious to see if I'll notice a big difference in signal strength/quality seeing it has Band 12 enabled. If I do, I guess I'll have a choice to make LOL
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Never wanted nexus 6 and never will because it's just to big.
The reason why I am waiting with tmo is I need to test service at 1 place where I spend a lot of time I will actually join my friend who is on the 100$/unlimited so my line will be just 40+ tax. Unlimited everything.
Yeah, its definitely wide ... But it may likely turnout to be a "rental" unless I see substantial signal improvements
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any updates on this front yet?
thanks!
Any fix for this?
ErikHellstrom said:
I am currently on T-Mobile (Ting) in a band 12 active area, and I am only getting band 4.
I've been looking into activating all bands according to the details in some of these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/general/how-to-add-rf-lte-frequency-bands-to-t2886059
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1211157
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/general/guide-xt1097-to-xt1095-nextel-t2972693
I updated the radio on my HTC with QPST, and it looks like it might be easier with moto since the motos have a special BP Tools mode in the fastboot.
My biggest concern is that we may need a custom kernel first if the base kernel has anti-tamper code.
After I first activated on ting, my phone was stuck in HSPA+ and would not connect via LTE.
I went into the engineering/field test mode using *#*#INFO#*#* (*#*#4636#*#*) and changed the "Set preferred network type" from WCDMA preferred to LTE/GSM auto (PRL).
I also turned off "IMS Registration Required" and turned on SMS over IMS.
There is a "Select Radio Band" feature in the menu that offers 3 choices for "Set GSM/UMTS Band". The options are USA Band, Cellular, and PCS.
I have read that if you make a band selection, the only way to get it back to unspecified is to reflash your radio. This seems particularly bad for those in europe, who often disable their radios by selecting "USA Band".
I of course discovered this after already selecting a preferred band.
Maybe someone with experience with updating the radio on a Moto can weigh in here.
I would like to reflash my radio preference back to unspecified, but I'm not sure how to go about it, or if it actually matters.
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I also made the same mistake... by pressing "USA Band" outside of the US. Any way to fix this?
I have also made the same mistake of clicking on one of 3 choices in "Set GSM/UMTS Band" menu.
Does anyone know how to revert back the setting? My 2G and 3G calling is not working since then. Only LTE is working.
Thank you in advance!
Ruby H said:
I also made the same mistake... by pressing "USA Band" outside of the US. Any way to fix this?
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Reflash the radio via the Restore to stock tool, or one of the MM radios. There is an MM radio with TruPure,
ErikHellstrom said:
Reflash the radio via the Restore to stock tool, or one of the MM radios. There is an MM radio with TruPure,
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Sorry, but I'm a nubee at this :-|
Can you please send a link to 'Restore to stock tool'. Is 'MM Radio' also a software package?
Will reflashing my Moto X-PE (XT-1575) erase the IMEI number?
Will reflashing the phone void my warranty with Motorola?
Tnx!
According to the HTC website the HTC 10 has all the bands necessary for Verizon including CDMA. Does anyone know if it will work on Verizon?
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I'm wondering the same thing.
adam3914 said:
According to the HTC website the HTC 10 has all the bands necessary for Verizon including CDMA. Does anyone know if it will work on Verizon?
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I suspect it will indeed work on VZW, all 3 models have the same modelid (ATT, TMO, VZW)...
Jeff Gordon pretty much confirmed it...https://twitter.com/urbanstrata/status/719949958166786048?s=15
I see it as the same situation as the 6P. Verizon didnt "officially certify" it for their network, but since it had the correct bands it worked with an already activated sim card.
I preordered an unlocked HTC 10 and plan on popping in my 6p VZW sim card.
Now does it matter that HTC site lists the 850 frequency (which verizon uses for their 3g) under 2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE?
I am wondering the same my friend..it will be a must buy it so and I can use it on any carrier at anytime! It's probably too good to be true though all of ever heard is how Verizon is very strict on what phones they will let on their network ? If I have to get the Verizon version, then I will have to wait on bootloader unlock before purchase Crossing fingers
MoNsTeReNeRgY22, Post back once you get the phone and pop in your sim.... The sim from my iPhone 6Plus should work to I would guess?
Verizon is less strict than you think. They're picky about the phones they certify and sell, but if a phone has the right radios, you can usually get it to work on V by just inserting a pre-activated SIM.
I've heard a rumor that Verizon will be getting an exclusive launch ahead of the US competition with this phone. It'd be nice if the unlocked model is the same. Perhaps they'll put some software locking that we can easily circumnavigate? Being able to travel with my M8 and pop in a local GSM SIM has been a huge benefit.
So it's not looking good. Android Police in their quick write up tried a already activated VZW sim and it was a no go.
http://imgur.com/EHIZh9f
MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
So it's not looking good. Android Police in their quick write up tried a already activated VZW sim and it was a no go.
http://imgur.com/EHIZh9f
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Not good.
Just got a twitter response from Mo Versi who works at HTC, and I quote "NO, You will have to purchase directly from Verizon or Sprint. Thanks" Not sure if this is the be all end all, but it doesn't help!? Perhaps Verizon is telling them to say this so we buy from carrier?? Or maybe we are just screwed
awareunlikeu said:
Just got a twitter response from Mo Versi who works at HTC, and I quote "NO, You will have to purchase directly from Verizon or Sprint. Thanks" Not sure if this is the be all end all, but it doesn't help!? Perhaps Verizon is telling them to say this so we buy from carrier?? Or maybe we are just screwed
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Verizon did just implement that new upgrade fee if you buy from them. Sneaky, sneaky.
MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
So it's not looking good. Android Police in their quick write up tried a already activated VZW sim and it was a no go.
http://imgur.com/EHIZh9f
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I've experienced this on cracking the Chinanet LTE of Verizon M9. The LTE signal just show up and disappeared in a moment.
But at last I solved it by adding MCC in EFS explore.
awareunlikeu said:
Just got a twitter response from Mo Versi who works at HTC, and I quote "NO, You will have to purchase directly from Verizon or Sprint. Thanks" Not sure if this is the be all end all, but it doesn't help!? Perhaps Verizon is telling them to say this so we buy from carrier?? Or maybe we are just screwed
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Since they are releasing an actual Verizon variant, I dont see you getting any other answer out of him than that.
jchq said:
I've experienced this on cracking the Chinanet LTE of Verizon M9. The LTE signal just show up and disappeared in a moment.
But at last I solved it by adding MCC in EFS explore.
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Can you elaborate on what you mean by adding MCC in EFS explore?
MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
Since they are releasing an actual Verizon variant, I dont see you getting any other answer out of him than that.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by adding MCC in EFS explore?
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Yeah I suspect so, If it does indeed work on Verizon, Im sure Verizon dosent want them advertising it. My only fear is when I receive it, it does work, but if I am out of ranfe for LTE and it has to drop down to 3G, will it work.. I guess we shall see!? I did see that HTC has a 14 day return policy. If I cant get it to work in the 14 days, then I will just wait for a bootloader unlock for the Verizon model. Anyone thats up to date and knows the 3G and LTE bads real well? Does this unlocked edition have all the necessary bands for both 3G and LTE, on VZW? I know a bit, but dont know them all.
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Yeah I suspect so, If it does indeed work on Verizon, Im sure Verizon dosent want them advertising it. My only fear is when I receive it, it does work, but if I am out of ranfe for LTE and it has to drop down to 3G, will it work.. I guess we shall see!? I did see that HTC has a 14 day return policy. If I cant get it to work in the 14 days, then I will just wait for a bootloader unlock for the Verizon model. Anyone thats up to date and knows the 3G and LTE bads real well? Does this unlocked edition have all the necessary bands for both 3G and LTE, on VZW? I know a bit, but dont know them all.
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Yup agreed and I think its actually a 30 day return policy. See HTC.com America store by Digital River refund policy
And according to Wireless Carrier Cheat Sheet, the unlocked version supports Verizon CDMA ( CDMA: 800/1900 with EVDO Rev A). I screenshotted the supported bands of the unlocked HTC 10, the VZW HTC M9 and and VZW LG G5. All support the same bands (CDMA included). I circled the same CDMA bands for reference (Ignore my crude paint skills).
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Yup agreed and I think its actually a 30 day return policy. See HTC.com America store by Digital River refund policy
And according to Wireless Carrier Cheat Sheet, the unlocked version supports Verizon CDMA ( CDMA: 800/1900 with EVDO Rev A). I screenshotted the supported bands of the unlocked HTC 10, the VZW HTC M9 and and VZW LG G5. All support the same bands (CDMA included). I circled the same CDMA bands for reference (Ignore my crude paint skills).
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A guy linked this to me: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_10_goes_by_fcc_ahead_of_announcement-news-17569.php
It shows 2 separate models 2PS6200 and 2PS6500
Hopefully this is not one of them being GSM, and the other being the CDMA model?
awareunlikeu said:
A guy linked this to me: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_10_goes_by_fcc_ahead_of_announcement-news-17569.php
It shows 2 separate models 2PS6200 and 2PS6500
Hopefully this is not one of them being GSM, and the other being the CDMA model?
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Even if there are separate models, does it matter since the tech specs for the unlocked variant list all the bands we need anyways?
MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
Even if there are separate models, does it matter since the tech specs for the unlocked variant list all the bands we need anyways?
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Yeah thats the way it certainly seems. Someone pointed out though that it could be showing the bands for both models as a whole.... It does not sound convincing, but something to think about.
awareunlikeu said:
A guy linked this to me: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_10_goes_by_fcc_ahead_of_announcement-news-17569.php
It shows 2 separate models 2PS6200 and 2PS6500
Hopefully this is not one of them being GSM, and the other being the CDMA model?
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2PS620000 is for Europe, that article may be wrong about it hitting the FCC...doesn't make sense
2PS650000 is for US GSM (ATT & TMO) & VZW
Sprint will have a different modelid...
OMJ said:
2PS620000 is for Europe, that article may be wrong about it hitting the FCC...doesn't make sense
2PS650000 is for US GSM (ATT & TMO) & VZW
Sprint will have a different modelid...
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TASTY!
Read the whole thread and it looks like the unlocked HTC 10 might work on Verizon. Great news. I DON'T WANT VERIZON BRANDED DEVICE EVER AGAIN. I looked at the specs on the website and saw LTE bands 3,4,13 which is what Verizon uses AFAIK. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Whoever ordered the device please update us as soon as you get your device.
Thank you
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I get that this is a Verizon exclusive at launch (July 28th), and that an "unlocked" version of the Z (not the Z Force) will be available sometime in September, but really, what's the difference between the two? Verizon does NOT carrier/SIM lock phones:
https://www.verizon.com/about/responsibility/product/device-unlocking-policy
Which implies that I can buy a Verizon Moto Z Force at full price and put my AT&T sim card in it. Other than seeing a Verizon logo at startup, all should be fine.
What am I missing?
You're missing that the LTE may never function exactly right. It may or it may not, depending on your area. The bands are not all shared. Also there will be almost no hope of ever unlocking the bootloader due to Verizon restrictions. And then there is the stupid Verizon logos all over the phone to deal with lol
I swear I read on twitter that a member of the media that got a review unit said it was working with her AT&T sim in it
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It would yes, but please see my post above.
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It would yes, but please see my post above.
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Well...I'm writing this post from a Droid Turbo with an unlocked bootloader with those "Verizon restrictions." I wouldn't be shocked if the Sunshine guys figure out the Moto Z in time...
and there are one Verizon logo on this phone, and NONE on either sku of the Moto Z...
The ONLY logo placed on the Moto Z Droids is on the camera lenses it says DROID...
No reason to spread any incorrect information
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Metfanant said:
Well...I'm writing this post from a Droid Turbo with an unlocked bootloader with those "Verizon restrictions." I wouldn't be shocked if the Sunshine guys figure out the Moto Z in time...
and there are one Verizon logo on this phone, and NONE on either sku of the Moto Z...
The ONLY logo placed on the Moto Z Droids is on the camera lenses it says DROID...
No reason to spread any incorrect information
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Yea? How's that droid turbo 2 bootloader coming along? You wrote that post from a 2 year old phone with an unlocked bootloader lol. Please direct me to any recent Verizon phone with a now unlocked bootloader. Also which parts of my post were inaccurate? Was it the part where I said there was "almost" no hope of the bootloader being unlocked? Was it that? Or what about the LTE bands being different? The one shocking thing about this device is that it appears there isn't even one single Verizon logo on the phone except for the "droid" logo on the camera. At least it doesn't say Verizon...
2 years is a little bit of an exaggeration, but point taken
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Yea? How's that droid turbo 2 bootloader coming along? You wrote that post from a 2 year old phone with an unlocked bootloader lol. Please direct me to any recent Verizon phone with a now unlocked bootloader. Also which parts of my post were inaccurate? Was it the part where I said there was "almost" no hope of the bootloader being unlocked? Was it that? Or what about the LTE bands being different? The one shocking thing about this device is that it appears there isn't even one single Verizon logo on the phone except for the "droid" logo on the camera. At least it doesn't say Verizon...
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Droid Turbo 2 was released in October 2015. It is 10 months old. I'd probably be pretty happy with having a phone get bootloader unlocked only 10 months in.
However, I am currently on a Verizon Galaxy S5 and it did actually take nearly 2 years to get a bootloader unlock with that phone. My Verizon Galaxy S3 before it also got a bootloader unlock, but it also took a good while. And I've had other phones that I'm pretty sure were never unlocked. Though I am awaiting my pre-ordered Moto Z Force Droid, I agree with you that the bootloader being unlocked during the lifetime of the phone is probably not too likely. Don't get your hopes too high, folks.
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Droid Turbo 2 was released in October 2015. It is 10 months old. I'd probably be pretty happy with having a phone get bootloader unlocked only 10 months in.
However, I am currently on a Verizon Galaxy S5 and it did actually take nearly 2 years to get a bootloader unlock with that phone. My Verizon Galaxy S3 before it also got a bootloader unlock, but it also took a good while. And I've had other phones that I'm pretty sure were never unlocked. Though I am awaiting my pre-ordered Moto Z Force Droid, I agree with you that the bootloader being unlocked during the lifetime of the phone is probably not too likely. Don't get your hopes too high, folks.
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He has a droid turbo 1 which is 2 years old, which is what I was referring to. The droid turbo 2 is 10 months old.
Verizon sucks in the bootloader unlock department. That's why I bought my Moto X Pure the day it launched. Back in the day, up to the S4, we had some good developers that were able to crack the bootloaders shortly after a new phone released. You can still get a HTC phone and mail it off to be S-Off (did that with an M9 and plan to if I ever come across a good deal on a 10).
I'll keep creeping the forums for the Z/Z Force. If it can be unlocked I'll grab one. If not I guess I'll have to get a HTC 10 or a Saygus V2 if they ever actually ship them.
shaunco said:
I get that this is a Verizon exclusive at launch (July 28th), and that an "unlocked" version of the Z (not the Z Force) will be available sometime in September, but really, what's the difference between the two? Verizon does NOT carrier/SIM lock phones:
https://www.verizon.com/about/responsibility/product/device-unlocking-policy
Which implies that I can buy a Verizon Moto Z Force at full price and put my AT&T sim card in it. Other than seeing a Verizon logo at startup, all should be fine.
What am I missing?
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I would bet a non-Verizon version (non-"Droid") of the Moto Z Force will also be available. Of course Motorola and Verizon are not going to tout that during the prime selling season for the "exclusive" Droid version.
Let's get back to what he asked...
AT&T uses these bands:
2, 4, 5, 17
The Moto Z Droid has these bands:
B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 13
The Moto Z Force DROID has these bands:
B2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 13
It might work but 4G LTE will have problems, 4G will be fine I think, because it only uses bands 5 & 2
Sources:
AT&T Fourms
Motorola Website
(I have not posted much so I can't link outside websites.)
ChazzMatt said:
I would bet a non-Verizon version (non-"Droid") of the Moto Z Force will also be available. Of course Motorola and Verizon are not going to tout that during the prime selling season for the "exclusive" Droid version.
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I doubt the force will make it anywhere but Verizon.
Yshf9 said:
AT&T uses these bands:
2, 4, 5, 17
The Moto Z Droid has these bands:
B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 13
The Moto Z Force DROID has these bands:
B2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 13
It might work but 4G LTE will have problems, 4G will be fine I think, because it only uses bands 5 & 2
Sources:
AT&T Fourms
Motorola Website
(I have not posted much so I can't link outside websites.)
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Which is why in 2014 I bought the Moto XT1225 the international, unlocked version of the Droid Turbo XT1254. LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 and more HSPA bands than the XT1254, with no useless CDMA bands. I ended up buying THREE of them and run on AT&T. In Atlanta, LTE band 17 is used a LOT.
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Of the Quarks, the XT1225 and XT1254/XT1250 all share LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7.
The XT1225 additionally has LTE band 5 and 17 (more bands used by AT&T).
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The XT1254/XT1250 instead has LTE band 13 (Verizon LTE band), plus CDMA bands. While it does have some HSPA bands, there's not as many as in the XT1225.
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seh6183 said:
I doubt the force will make it anywhere but Verizon.
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Based on past experience, there are no exclusives anymore. Especially Motorola/Verizon. Trust me on this. The XT1254 Droid Turbo (Quark) was not even exclusive to Verizon in the U.S. Same exact device, same exact radio bands, same exact FCC ID was sold by at least a dozen U.S. regional CDMA/LTE carriers (not MVNOs, actual carriers with their own towers and spectrum) as the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx. Easily unlocked bootloader, runs on Verizon just fine with a Verizon SIM card, just like a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6.
Internationally then the same device but with different radio bands was sold as the XT1225 Moto Turbo/Moto Maxx.
The Moto Z Force will appear somewhere, I predict.
MORE INFO HERE ABOUT THE XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx/XT1254 Droid Turbo twins:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/dro...nlock-boot-t3419942/post67859149#post67859149
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seh6183 said:
I doubt the force will make it anywhere but Verizon.
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And already the flood has started:
Report says Moto Z and Z Force coming to China in September
http://www.gsmarena.com/report_says_moto_z_and_z_force_coming_to_china_in_september-news-19583.php
and
http://www.gizmochina.com/2016/07/24/moto-z-z-force-china-starts-2998-yuan/
Pricing is even mentioned. Will be available many, many more places.
shaunco said:
I get that this is a Verizon exclusive at launch (July 28th), and that an "unlocked" version of the Z (not the Z Force) will be available sometime in September, but really, what's the difference between the two? Verizon does NOT carrier/SIM lock phones
Which implies that I can buy a Verizon Moto Z Force at full price and put my AT&T sim card in it. Other than seeing a Verizon logo at startup, all should be fine.
What am I missing?
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I am a bestbuy mobile employee with access to both devices and multiple carriers sim cards, both of the moto z's pulled lte on everyone we tried but sprint(device was not in there imei/meid database to activate) but vzw,t-mobile,att,net 10, metropcs, crickett, and simple mobile all activated and worked with LTE/3g
my comments are my personal opinion and should no way be confused as direct fact on behalf of bestbuy
thyrellik said:
I am a bestbuy mobile employee with access to both devices and multiple carriers sim cards, both of the moto z's pulled lte on everyone we tried but sprint(device was not in there imei/meid database to activate) but vzw,t-mobile,att,net 10, metropcs, crickett, and simple mobile all activated and worked with LTE/3g
my comments are my personal opinion and should no way be confused as direct fact on behalf of bestbuy
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In the past I have owned various Verizon specific phones such as the Droid Razr and Droid Maxx. None of them have ever functioned correctly on LTE with AT&T here in Sacramento, California. I was shocked to find that this Moto Z works perfectly on LTE in my area. I used an app to see which LTE bands were being used and the phone simply jumped to another LTE band when I took the sim out of my Nexus 6p and regained full service (on a different band than it was using in the Nexus) and even pulled a faster speedtest than the Nexus.
Everything working great so far. This may not be your experience in your area however and I may travel somewhere that I normally get full service and find that there is none. Good luck.
I got my droid z force (from Verizon) 2 days ago. I was using an European sim card which connected in roaming to AT&T 4G LTE band with no problems. Also i can confirm that the phone works with European 4G bands well.
seh6183 said:
You're missing that the LTE may never function exactly right. It may or it may not, depending on your area. The bands are not all shared. Also there will be almost no hope of ever unlocking the bootloader due to Verizon restrictions. And then there is the stupid Verizon logos all over the phone to deal with lol
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No Verizon logo on my Z bought at Best Buy
thyrellik said:
I am a bestbuy mobile employee with access to both devices and multiple carriers sim cards, both of the moto z's pulled lte on everyone we tried but sprint(device was not in there imei/meid database to activate) but vzw,t-mobile,att,net 10, metropcs, crickett, and simple mobile all activated and worked with LTE/3g
my comments are my personal opinion and should no way be confused as direct fact on behalf of bestbuy
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AT&T LTE is about evenly split between B4 and B17. If you live in an area where AT&T uses band 4 for LTE, then yes, the Verizon Moto Z will get LTE, but if you live in an area where they use band 17 then it won't. Simple as that. That's why some people are saying LTE is working for them and some are saying it's not. It depends on where you live. I personally wouldn't buy one of these for use on AT&T knowing that it's only going to get LTE in about half of AT&T's LTE coverage area.
Do I need to activate it with a Verizon sim to make it work, or can I insert any sim card (from supported network bands) to have it work as a global phone?
fvc2000 said:
Do I need to activate it with a Verizon sim to make it work, or can I insert any sim card (from supported network bands) to have it work as a global phone?
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You can just insert your sim card. I won a Z Force, and tossed my TMo sim card in it. During setup it says it won't work, but I didn't even have to set up APN and it works fine. Sends and receives MMS, goes online on data, etc