And why?
The 5.1 unit appears to be MTCD_KGL from the screenshot they have provided, however I don't see any comparable information in the screenshots of the 4.4 unit. Do I assume the 4.4 unit is MTCB? I did try inquiring but they reply with nonsense that MCUs are different for each unit. DAB is of no importance to me. Much appreciate any advice.
Unable to link to their product pages, but the units in question are sold by ERISIN, part number ES2028A and ES4028A.
Yes, 4.4 unit will be MTCB, 5.1 unit will be MTCD. While they may look the same externally, and even share common specifications, they are NOT the same.
I would definitely take the MTCD/5.1. Why? Because China is notorious for not supporting their products.
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I'm looking at a few different models that will hopefully play nice with my 2004 Audi Allroad and happened across this model that says it uses Android 5.1, however it seems like some of these might just be "skinned" 4.4.4 to look like 5.1. Does anyone have any experience with the XTroon units and whether this is a real 5.1 unit?
I'm also looking at one of these two Joying units,
JY-UQ130
JY-UQ124U
Thanks for the help!
Hello.
I just bought one of these 2 DIN android head units, it should arrive next week.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-Double-2din-CAR-MP3-MP5-Player-Radio-Quad-Core-Android-4-4-gps-Bluetooth-GPS-/112071545669?hash=item1a17fc1345:g:4aoAAOSwFe5Xz7t8
Anyone knows the brand/make or has any relevant info about this device regarding it's amplifier power and overall quality?.
It's based on the typical RK3188 platform with 1GB of RAM and 16GB storage, so i guess that it may be compatible with other systems roms based on the same hardware.
Probably an MTCB.
Overall quality: not better than "junk".
Personally, I wouldn't waste the time to install it.
Why would you buy something without knowing what it is?
Well, someone has to do it since you can't find any info about this device on the entire web. And judging by your answer you have no idea either, so I guess i'll just wait for someone else's knowledge or just wait quietly for it to arrive and test it by myself.
@Habieru, check out the RK-A701 thread below.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...stions-development/info-unit-rk-a701-t3460559
Also, check out this google search: https://www.google.com/#q=rk-a701
Anyway, from my quick search, the RK-A701 head unit does not appear to have the MTC type MCU, and no one appears to have found a way to access recovery and flash any custom firmware yet. On the plus side, the RK-A701 is cost effective, has the higher resolution 1024x600 display, and root can be achieved with kingoroot or kingroot. That said, if cost is not a major concern, I'd recommend stepping up to one of the new Joying Intel units with 2GB of RAM or at a minimum any MTC type MCU unit or any Newsmy Carpad with 2GB of RAM.
Hope this helps...
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Thank you very much @rhacy , that's the kind of info i was looking for.
After fully reading that thread, and some russian blog reviews i can conclude that this unit is just as you say, a cheap unit with no major highlights but gets the job done. Pretty much what i need because cost is a concern for me and this device offers pretty much the same as the others.
My father has one of those new Intel Sofia X3 headunits with lollipop and it sounds great, but i must say that performace wise the X3 is terrible compared to the RK3188. So for now i'm going to give this unit a trial, and if it does not meet some minimum standards i can just sell it.
And again, thank you very much for your help.
Hello,
I'm looking to upgrade the stock head unit of my 2005 Opel Meriva to an android-based HU and I'm not sure which one I want. I've been reading up on the development threads here, which seem to be split between PX5-based MTCD units on the one hand and Intel Sofia-based Joying units. Please correct me in anything I might have researched wrongly, as that might help me make the right decision. I'm in favor of vendors shipping from EU warehouses because of the insanely long waiting times for Chinese shipping and customs hassle & delays.
The three options that seem to make most sense for the moment are:
Joying - for the actual hardware (on the other hand, maybe PX5 is better than Sofia b/c of thermal throttling issues?)
https://www.carjoying.de/2017-new-o...stem-hd-screen-support-backup-camera-dab.html
Eonon 8155 - for the looks (advertised as quad core with no further info - is this an MTCD with PX3? Why does it have Android 7?
https://eonon.com/Android-Car-GPS/V...h-Double-Din-AM-FM-Multimedia-Car-Stereo.html
Any MTCD PX5 based HU - for software versatility, that is, Malaysk CFW (which vendor - advice please? Pumpkin maybe?)
I've seen some MTCD offers look like the Eonon. Getting one of those would really be cool. Any EU sources aside from Aliex?
So here's more on what I am looking for:
I like rooting and flashing my Androids and would like to at least have root access on the device. From what I've read, this is possible on both platforms. Opposed to Joying (?), the PX5 platform also has Malaysk's AOSP based FW - is this any good for a daily driver/full replacement of stock ROM, or are there any missing features? Is there also a custom ROM for Sofia? I've seen someone recently mention something along the lines of, there's a lot of development going on for Joying - I've seen lots of scripts and rooting guides, but I haven't found anything like a custom ROM. Is there something in the making that I've just not been able to find?
Also, the Joying unit has no built in mobile data modem, or only works via their external 4G stick (available for extra € ofc), while I've read that PX5 based units usually have it integrated. Can MTCD units also interface with cameras?
Can any of these units read Opel CANbus data like RPM/liters per 100km? How about OBDII BT adapters, can MTCD/Joying use my old ELM327 one or do I have to buy a new one because of some vendor-implemented driver lockout? The CFW of MTCD would fix that, right?
Thanks for reading through this wall of text and for any answers in advance.
TL;DR
Want to buy android HU for 2005 Meriva. Joying (Sofia) or MTCD (PX5)? If the latter, which vendor can you recommend for EU?
Hi Guys, quick question, I've searched around the forums and can't find anything about my unit the reseller is Sinosmart it's a SoFia based unit 2GB Ram 32GB Rom non 3G for a Chev/Holden Cruze it's running Android 6.01, the MCU 2017-06-09 RUL_(NOR)_90_C9_685x_5009_CAN(All)_Newlap_Amp, I understand that it may be a non branded joying type unit. The only issue I'm having with it is I can't control screen brightness at all the sliders do nothing and the night/illumination function does nothing. Any help would be greatly appreciated
Just an update I found this at the 4pda forum RUL = Sinosmart so they make their own variant of the MCU software, is this correct? In regards to rooting the unit, is it safe to use the non joying boot image on these forums, has anyone else had experience with this brand? Thanks in advance
Joying units are manufactured by an outfit called "Carsql" aka "SYU", which is now owned by the manufacturer of the SoM, "FYT". They (SYU/SQL/FYT) have a lot of customers that they manufacture radios for, INCLUDING Joying, and likely yours as well. Usually, the MCU is tagged with the customer ID.
This is much the same as MTC, which also has a lot of customers that they make radios for, which *used to* include Joying, who I guess got a better deal and/or better product from SYU.
I can tell you that from a hardware engineering point of view, the SQL/FYT units are a lot better than the MTC units.
Software wise, however, its a wash. They all suck.
So what your saying is in my case Sinosmart is a customer of SQL/FYT if this is the case and a lot of the units are made by the one company for these re seller groups, how come the mcu's aren't cross compatible I understand rom's can be if they are based on the same SOC in my case the intel Sofia, why is there a separation between joying and all the other intel based units, does joying use an mcu unique to their units? also wouldn't the joying/other brand sofia based unit rom's be compatible with each other, or is it not that simple due to slight variations in gps chips, radio chips, ect....hopefully that makes sense! Thanks for your reply
oopshtyler said:
So what your saying is in my case Sinosmart is a customer of SQL/FYT if this is the case and a lot of the units are made by the one company for these re seller groups, how come the mcu's aren't cross compatible I understand rom's can be if they are based on the same SOC in my case the intel Sofia, why is there a separation between joying and all the other intel based units, does joying use an mcu unique to their units? also wouldn't the joying/other brand sofia based unit rom's be compatible with each other, or is it not that simple due to slight variations in gps chips, radio chips, ect....hopefully that makes sense! Thanks for your reply
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Almost all compatibility problems are *intentional*. They just put a string into the MCU version field that the OS uses to decide if it wants to play nice or dirty.
More than likely, those units are FULLY compatible.
No ones reverse engineered the mcu flash files? I read a while back someone had done or had partial success with the older units on then 4pda site
Hi.
I have a VW Scirocco 2010 with Dynaudio system, until now I have a Joying Intel Sofia unit, but since 2 weeks ago the unit display start to dissapear sometimes and right now if more often that the display doesn´t work.
I'm thinking in change the unit and I have seen the new Joying 4Gb and a Pumpking unit. Both manufacters said that is compatible with dynaudio system.
I would like to know which one do you think is bette and with better audio quality, because when I changed my factory radio (RCD510) to Joying intel sofia, the sound quality was much worse than the factory sound.
Joying 4/64Gb Intel SC9853i Android 8.1.0
Pumpkin 4/32 Octacore Android 9.0
Thank you very much
jose.marcos.3720 said:
Hi.
I have a VW Scirocco 2010 with Dynaudio system, until now I have a Joying Intel Sofia unit, but since 2 weeks ago the unit display start to dissapear sometimes and right now if more often that the display doesn´t work.
I'm thinking in change the unit and I have seen the new Joying 4Gb and a Pumpking unit. Both manufacters said that is compatible with dynaudio system.
I would like to know which one do you think is bette and with better audio quality, because when I changed my factory radio (RCD510) to Joying intel sofia, the sound quality was much worse than the factory sound.
Joying 4/64Gb Intel SC9853i Android 8.1.0
Pumpkin 4/32 Octacore Android 9.0
Thank you very much
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Nobody can help me?
The OEM head unit has an in-build equalizer curve (to match the Dynaudio system), the android radio has a "flat" output. That is the reason for the bad or different soud quality.
I had my Skoda Columbus Navigation device coded via VCDS to "flat" (because I have an external DSP installed) and there is no change in sound quality after my recent change to an Joying Intel device.
Any up on this topic please. We need Android 9 firmware like Malay for Joying Intel SC9853i. The reason for an aftermarket radio is for us to be able to customize as needed, but it seems that Joying firmware is too boring and a lot of bugs. Don't quote me wrong, I love Joying radio, but they need to do more with firmware updates.
Lovin' my Pumpkin : https://www.autopumpkin.com/product...t-access-function?_pos=1&_sid=ca287b8cb&_ss=r
123olasoft said:
Any up on this topic please. We need Android 9 firmware like Malay for Joying Intel SC9853i. The reason for an aftermarket radio is for us to be able to customize as needed, but it seems that Joying firmware is too boring and a lot of bugs. Don't quote me wrong, I love Joying radio, but they need to do more with firmware updates.
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Come on. It is the same for all brands. Joying is actually relatively active with their firmware upgrades compared to the rest. Since introduction in Feb 2019 we already had 6-7 firmware upgrades.
The fact that Malaysk and Hal9K are even more active with their custom roms, doesn't mean Joying is not doing a (relatively) good job.
And as such I fully agree: there are bugs in the FYT software (not Joying! Joying is like many others brands just a reseller of FYT hardware/software), and it takes way too long to solve them. But at least you sometimes get a firmware upgrade.
Malaysk/Hal9k give you more options to tweak your mtc-b/c/d/e unit, but qualitatively speaking: the units are not better or worse. All Chinese units are qualitatively worse compared to the real A-brands.
Also: How often do you get an upgrade on your phone if it is not an A-brand and a top-model of that A-brand?
You pay 300 euros/dollars for a unit, and maybe 500-1000 euros/dollars for a phone, which proabably also sell in much higher quantities increasing margin. What do you expect?
Hi surfer63,
I appreciate your comment. I just want you to know that you don't need to sound defensive here. If you read my comment good I said I love Joying radio, which is my opinion. How much we spend on radio is not what matters.
NVIDIA Shield 2015 still receives update till now just for an example. I guess you know how much it cost to get one.
I love Joying radio and will recommend it to anyone that is in the market for an Android radio.
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Hi surfer63,
I appreciate your comment. I just want you to know that you don't need to sound defensive here. If you read my comment good I said I love Joying radio, which is my opinion. How much we spend on radio is not what matters.
NVIDIA Shield 2015 still receives update till now just for an example. I guess you know how much it cost to get one.
I love Joying radio and will recommend it to anyone that is in the market for an Android radio.
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I dont think you understood his post, there's nothing defensive in it. You also missed where surfer explains that Joying are a reseller of FYT, they're just a reseller of multiple manufacturers.
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I dont think you understood his post, there's nothing defensive in it. You also missed where surfer explains that Joying are a reseller of FYT, they're just a reseller of multiple manufacturers.
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Both of you should accept my apology.
123olasoft said:
Both of you should accept my apology.
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Not necessary at all. We all reflect our own opinions here and sometimes they are not the same, sometimes they directly clash. Sometimes we simply misunderstand each other. Most of us are not native speakers (like myself) and that sometimes can also lead to discussions going into the wrong direction.
As long as everyone shows respect to one another, that is never a problem (to me). It only sometimes takes a few more posts to get it clear.