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... not the features we all want like manual exposure, focus and RAW shooting, not even 4K or 120fps video, but:
We can now record Full HD video at 60fps
Real-time ISO: The viewfinder may seem less smooth but the image is more accurate to what you get: at ISO-50 you immediately see if the image will turn out too dark!
New metering setting: "face"!
Touch Block integrated in the settings menu!
Front facing camera now seems to expose on yo face (also, the timer seems added, and did this mode always come with software image stabilisation..?)
Pause while shooting video (thanks HSNalfar3)
Last but not least: a fancier design, obviously :angel:
EDIT: I believe the camera algorithms themselves were updated too. Remember you used to see oversharpening so clearly? Even at ISO-50 you could see these two dark pixel lines everywhere over your photo - well, I can't see those now, and images seem a bit softer anyway. Me likey!
EDIT 2: The option for 60fps Full HD video isn't working for some reason, as confirmed by Hanafubuki. Might be a remnant of newer Lollipop devices...
Mainly the first two points are is very interesting. I've always found it annoying that I couldn't see in the viewfinder how photos at ISO-50 would turn out. That is, if it's dark, then images would turn pitch black but you would only see when you took the photo. Now it's already visible in the viewfinder, so it's easier to change ISO (although the setting is still buried in the menu and having to scroll down in landscape... (c'mon Sony you could've easily done better here as well) ). Also, the 60fps Full HD video is a very welcome addition in my opinion.
Another feature
In the superior auto application, in camera options appears the option Burst with longpress that allows you to keep several pictures while holding the camera button. I think that this is new on lollipop.
somereta said:
In the superior auto application, in camera options appears the option Burst with longpress that allows you to keep several pictures while holding the camera button. I think that this is new on lollipop.
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Actually not......
Hermantje said:
... not the features we all want like manual exposure, focus and RAW shooting, not even 4K or 120fps video, but:
We can now record Full HD video at 60fps!
[*]The viewfinder may seem less smooth but the image is more accurate to what you get: at ISO-50 you immediately see if the image will turn out too dark!
New metering setting: "face"!
Touch Block integrated in the settings menu!
Front facing camera now seems to expose on yo face (also, the timer seems added, and did this mode always come with software image stabilisation..?)
Last but not least: a fancier design, obviously :angel:
Mainly the first two points are very interesting. I've always found it annoying that I couldn't see in the viewfinder how photos at ISO-50 would turn out. That is, if it's dark, then images would turn pitch black but you would only see when you took the photo. Now it's already visible in the viewfinder, so it's easier to change ISO (although the setting is still buried in the menu and having to scroll down in landscape... (c'mon Sony you could've easily done better here as well) ). Also, the 60fps Full HD video is a very welcome addition in my opinion
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This is REAL TIME ISO
I was wondering about the DRM: if I have unlocked bootloader and lost the TA partition, will the camera miss noise reduction after update to Lollipop? Also, there's a DRM fix for KitKat UB, will it work on Lollipop?
Thanks.
Yeah, I saw on the videos that now we have 60FPS recording. That will allow us to do timeshift videos without the app, instead in the actual movie editor. I am still waiting on my T-Mobile Macedonia Europe firmware... :/
I think our device can shoot 4k and timeshift video,perhap sony will get that on the next update. For this update I think it's less smooth than last firmware but less focus time too. :good:
no 60fps!!!
if you dont believe, make a video, open on windows and there it is 29 fps....
Another surprise for lollipop camera https://youtu.be/7EGqasXDHUU ps: it is on z1
mo120697 said:
no 60fps!!!
if you dont believe, make a video, open on windows and there it is 29 fps....
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Are you sure you selected the right shooting mode? I took this screenshot from my Xperia Z1 with the HK Firmware.
mo120697 said:
no 60fps!!!
if you dont believe, make a video, open on windows and there it is 29 fps....
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Actually, I may have spoken too soon indeed. I posted right before I went to bed and when I tried the 60fps mode afterwards and slowed it down by half in the phone's video editor, it did indeed seem as choppy as 15fps video...
Either Sony forgot to implement it or, which I think is more likely, it was a remnant of Lollipop for newer Sony phones. Either way, it's a shame it isn't working.
New feature : you can pause and resume video recording
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New feature : you can pause and resume video recording
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Wasn't this possible before? My Sony Ericsson Satio and Nokia N8 could both do this already.
I'll add it to the list
Same here with the FHD 60FPS . It olny records at 30 FPS . I smell a new update prety soon from Sony to fix the bugs .
Overall the z1 takes better pictures than before and the camera is fast now
Real time ISO is not a excuse for a laggy view finder... Even My Tablet Z with and old SoC and lower ISP running 4.4.4 has also Real time ISO and doesn't lag as the Z1/C.
NexusGTS said:
Same here with the FHD 60FPS . It olny records at 30 FPS . I smell a new update prety soon from Sony to fix the bugs .
Overall the z1 takes better pictures than before and the camera is fast now
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i think 4.4 take better pictures than 5.0.i only use auto mode
anyone tried on unlocked bootloader?
does bionz work?
on cm12 UB it worked fine
I think the pictures quality got very better than before. especially on 20MP it takes very good images with good details. on the kitkat 20MP took blurry images for me. also the images size got bigger. on kitkat with 20MP was around 5MB and now it's around 9MB :good:
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I think the pictures quality got very better than before. especially on 20MP it takes very good images with good details. on the kitkat 20MP took blurry images for me. also the images size got bigger. on kitkat with 20MP was around 5MB and now it's around 9MB :good:
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My 20Mp photos are at least 7.5 mb. Sometimes it increases up to 10 mb. How it can be 5mb? And, I think lollipop has many bugs to be used
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anyone tried on unlocked bootloader?
does bionz work?
on cm12 UB it worked fine
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Unlocking bootloader doesn't affects on bionZ for z1 ( if you could get 6400 iso)
Hey guys!
The other day I went on a trip to Hamburg, Germany and I got to experience the "Miniatur Wunderland" (in English "Miniature Wonderland", in case your German and common sense are both lacking). It was one hell of an awesome experience. As I was walking through the modeled cities, I decided to test the 4K capabilities of my, at the time, rooted and modded Sony Xperia Z1. If you're interested, you can watch the video below:
See for yourself and let me know what you think!
Here's my opinion on 4K video:
When downscaled to 1080p the quality it looks amazing. Although I don't have a 4K monitor yet, if I do zoom in on the 4K video it looks like the details are still a bit lacking at the full resolution (of course I'd have to confirm this with a 4K monitor). In low light however, there is so much noise that the 4K video won't have any more details than a 1080p clip. But hey, what can you expect from a camera sensor that small. Apart from that, it was VERY difficult to keep the phone steady when recording, since it didn't feature any stabilizer for 4K video. But overall, you may colour me impressed!
Nice video!
I guess you must have a large capacity sd card .
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Nice video!
I guess you must have a large capacity sd card .
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Thanks!
As a fun fact, which may or may not be somewhat useful to some: at the Miniatur Wunderland I took 38 videocips in 4K, which are 6.11 GB in total file size.
That's not as bad as I thought initially, because I was indeed worried about the total size. Also, I recall that it never shut down due to overheating, which seems to be an issue when recording for too long. My longest clip is about 1:15 (just over a minute) long, and I recorded with minimal time in between the videos.
Is it only me who thinks that all the videos online show the Z5 premium 4K screen at 1080p resolution ? For such a high pixel density the icons and menu should be much smaller and app list in the menu should be more than 4x5 .
I found a video showing the Z5 Premium running at a different resolution but much slower. I must admit I don't understand spanish but anyone can watch the end where things get really laggy ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYn76ywh4tg
Old software running at 300 dpi. Will not be present in the finalized product
Have to admit that when I hear 4K I expect the resolution to be similar to the one in the video. It makes a huge difference and looks much better.
LitoNi said:
Old software running at 300 dpi. Will not be present in the finalized product
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You look like expert of Sony and you have many xperia mobiles . I had one in the past, the Ultra T2 and although I liked everything about it that time, but sold it after 1 week becuse the low call voice in the loud speakers, althoigh the music was fine . I found out on the net, that may eb all Sony experia has this issue, may be thier standard.
Can you tell me if all the xperia you used has the same low call voice. I am thinking of buying C4 or may be the z5 , but I am afraid to have the same issue.
Thanks
Premium will not use 4k all the time, only when needed.
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You look like expert of Sony and you have many xperia mobiles . I had one in the past, the Ultra T2 and although I liked everything about it that time, but sold it after 1 week becuse the low call voice in the loud speakers, althoigh the music was fine . I found out on the net, that may eb all Sony experia has this issue, may be thier standard.
Can you tell me if all the xperia you used has the same low call voice. I am thinking of buying C4 or may be the z5 , but I am afraid to have the same issue.
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Hi, I only have used flagship devices from Sony and all have excellent call voice quality. If you have the cash fro the Z5 definitely go for the Z5.
mele80 said:
Premium will not use 4k all the time, only when needed.
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That means it will use 4K 1% of the time... Seriously I hope this is some kind of joke from Sony... When I hear 4K I expect browsing and reading at 4K.
Also more room for more icons on the home screen.... IMO it makes a lot more sense to downscale games etc.. to HD and keep the resolution at 4K
http://www.modaco.com/news/android/of-course-the-z5-premium-doesnt-run-in-4k-all-the-time-r1515/
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http://www.modaco.com/news/android/of-course-the-z5-premium-doesnt-run-in-4k-all-the-time-r1515/
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I'll wait for the official release. If that's really the case I'll go for a Z5. There is no point in paying $200 more for something I won't be using.
Xeon said:
I'll wait for the official release. If that's really the case I'll go for a Z5. There is no point in paying $200 more for something I won't be using.
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You get a larger battery and screen though
It's exactly like macbook pro retinas... you still have the desktop space of the standard resolution, yet much crispier
http://www.androidauthority.com/sony-explains-xperia-z5-premium-4k-642067/
“Xperia Z5 Premium features a 4K display with a resolution of 3840×2160 pixels based on SID Standard and enables all video and image content to be enjoyed in 4K resolution. All other content is displayed at 1080P or lower resolution in order to optimise the performance and battery stamina for this device, ensuring you can enjoy the 4K resolution when you need it most.“
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Almost no point of the Z5 Premium in that case, as my old laptop certainly isn't going to render it, nor is my 2010 spec plasma
Once you root it and have xposed installed I'm sure you can set a per app DPI. I can't use a phone if it doesn't have root (won't connect to headunit) and exposed makes everything so much better.
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That means it will use 4K 1% of the time... Seriously I hope this is some kind of joke from Sony... When I hear 4K I expect browsing and reading at 4K.
Also more room for more icons on the home screen.... IMO it makes a lot more sense to downscale games etc.. to HD and keep the resolution at 4K
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Even if that's the case, you are never going to browse and read at more than 480p. I've seen almost none apps for "simple" things going higher than 480p... Neither Chrome for browsing, nor Play Books for reading...for example!
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I Like it
it s smart management for speed & power
I don need 4K rendering when watching HD clips So It s better that phone switch to FHD/HD rendering
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That means it will use 4K 1% of the time... Seriously I hope this is some kind of joke from Sony... When I hear 4K I expect browsing and reading at 4K.
Also more room for more icons on the home screen.... IMO it makes a lot more sense to downscale games etc.. to HD and keep the resolution at 4K
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Lol u want to browse and read in 4K, but anything above 1080p is nearly undetectable for humans eye
4K will become standardised very soon, as VR goggles are getting more and more popular.
Now, on 1080p, when using VR goggles, the screen does get separated into two images. Thus screen resolution you see thru the glasses be like 400x800 or so..
Imagine, when using 4K... VR goggles will still display 2K.. Which is more pixels than our 1080p res.
Take a magnifier and look at a 1080p screen, count the pixels and multiply that by 2. That's the resolution you'll see thru VR goggles when using a 4k display, and that's exactly what it's designed and meant for.
Sooner or later, Sony will come up with their very own VR goggles like Samsung with VR gear.
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Lol u want to browse and read in 4K, but anything above 1080p is nearly undetectable for humans eye
4K will become standardised very soon, as VR goggles are getting more and more popular.
Now, on 1080p, when using VR goggles, the screen does get separated into two images. Thus screen resolution you see thru the glasses be like 400x800 or so..
Imagine, when using 4K... VR goggles will still display 2K.. Which is more pixels than our 1080p res.
Take a magnifier and look at a 1080p screen, count the pixels and multiply that by 2. That's the resolution you'll see thru VR goggles when using a 4k display, and that's exactly what it's designed and meant for.
Sooner or later, Sony will come up with their very own VR goggles like Samsung with VR gear.
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I dont really understand what's with the "undetectable thing " people keep repeating.
If you browse at 4K, text is much smaller and the content displayed is much more than 1080p . I don't have to scroll 2 pages to see everything where I can see it in only one @4K.
When you buy bigger PC screen you get more space on your desktop ( icons / files etc.. ) because resolution gets higher not because the screen gets bigger.
Whether I can see the pixel or not is my least concern.
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I dont really understand what's with the "undetectable thing " people keep repeating.
If you browse at 4K, text is much smaller and the content displayed is much more than 1080p . I don't have to scroll 2 pages to see everything where I can see it in only one @4K.
When you buy bigger PC screen you get more space on your desktop ( icons / files etc.. ) because resolution gets higher not because the screen gets bigger.
Whether I can see the pixel or not is my least concern.
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That's not about resolution.
Resolution is about pixels.
How things appear on the screen is about layout / DPI.
U can easily spoof ur DPI in build.prop or with an xposed module, even per-app.
Just Google a bit and you'll find out
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That's not about resolution.
Resolution is about pixels.
How things appear on the screen is about layout / DPI.
U can easily spoof ur DPI in build.prop or with an xposed module, even per-app.
Just Google a bit and you'll find out
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Higher DPI means higher resolution....
In the first video I posted the dpi was increased as u can see in the end of the video the device becomes very laggy during transition.
bottom line, xperia can't handle 4K resolution.
Xeon said:
Higher DPI means higher resolution....
In the first video I posted the dpi was increased as u can see in the end of the video the device becomes very laggy during transition.
bottom line, xperia can't handle 4K resolution.
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Cool! So if I just put higher DPI, and everything looks smaller on my Z, that means I suddenly have 4K lol
Believe what u want to believe Bro :thumbup:
Since Marshmallow supports 4K display at all times on the home screen, etc., it seems that this phone could do 4K all the time.
I've read that some believe they won't even turn it on for Marshmallow because if the CPU/battery drain.
Two questions:
1. Does anyone agree or disagree with this? Maybe it will at least be a setting (in developer options)?
2. If they don't turn this on for Marshmallow and it runs like Lollipop on "Full HD", could a custom ROM enable permanent 4K? Or rooting? Would this even be possible?
Thanks!
Bet that you will return to FHD mode when you look at the battery anyway. Plus most icon resources inside apk will almost certainly stick to xxhdpi (around 480dpi) which won't bring any advantage on 4k screen.
I don't care about battery life. Anyway, does anyone have any answers/guesses to my questions?
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Well to answer your questions :
1. I disagree as per my answer, it is just not viable for the battery life and plus iirc when i read marshmallow changelog, it only states that it supports 4k but doesn't say anything about native resolution and apk resource resolution addition, the changelog only specifies that it is natively supported but in an upscaled way.
2. If anything, nothing is impossible. But not everything is viable.
Doing QHD at all times and 4K during media is fine by me.
Do it Sony.
I hope via root is possible.
About battery life, I have nice battery packs that maintain the charge for the whole day .....and I suggest any intense user of smartphones having one o more too
Marshmellow comes with native 4k support which will allow developers to turn on 4k on demand.
I don't see a reason to have the the 4k display always on unless its for gaming/movies/viewing high res pics.
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Doing QHD at all times and 4K during media is fine by me.
Do it Sony.
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I agree the screen should be 2k and 4k when needed.
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Try it
try this if it works.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-premium/general/changing-resolution-default-to-2k-root-t3282319
What if Sony can let the user decide which resolution their phones wanna run.
Like windows in a separate setting under display user get the ability to select the resolution.
People who don't care 4K they can use FHD and if they like 2K they can have 2K , if not 4K all the time.
But by default gallery and movie apps upscale the content to 4K. I think if they can pull that off it'd be so cool.
Yeah, should be offer 2 modes in display setting, quality and battery life.
4k is already possible! thanks to the guide from the previous post lol, I was able to take a screenshot of my phone running in 4k using a different screenshot app
photo hosting sites
lag?
now gpu is pushing four K resolution, did u noticed any lag?
also did anyone try xperia z five in trinus VR.its and app which allows you to stream PC games to mobile for VR
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4k is already possible! thanks to the guide from the previous post lol, I was able to take a screenshot of my phone running in 4k using a different screenshot app
photo hosting sites
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But the important one is the dpi though. The 3840x2160 means it's physical pixel count isn't it? But when you look at the density it's obvious that it's still 1920x1080. Cmiiw though.
Are there third party apps that run in 4k mode?
Netflix? Ultraflix? Riptide gp all run in 4k on my shield tv
As hansip87 said.
Also running 4k all the time will increase the phone warmth in hand - try it yourself while watching a 4k movie for an 1h30min
I think it's great that it's possible to run at 2k and 4k all the time but for me it's Battery life others is screen quality /viewing pleasure
After performing the wm size and wm density as shown in the thread fesar posted earlier in this thread, I stumbled upon a few problems that persisted even after restoring to default.
You can read more about my rather bad experiences in the mentioned thread.
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But the important one is the dpi though. The 3840x2160 means it's physical pixel count isn't it? But when you look at the density it's obvious that it's still 1920x1080. Cmiiw though.
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Hey which app did you use to take the screenshot with when at higher dpi? Thanks
I changed the resolution to 2K ,and changed it back after half a day ,cannot bear the battery drain
I've been using the Galaxy S8 Plus until I received my solar red U11 yesterday (glad I waited, it's very nice looking). Anyway, I am very impressed with the photo image quality of the phone (it is very comparable to the S8), but I have a few nitpicks about the video recording:
1) No 1080p/60 mode. I really don't understand why it doesn't have a 60fps mode when even phones from 2016 had it? It has 1080p/30 and 1080p/120 (for slow motion), so why no 1080/60? Is it overheating concern?
2) No way to turn of EIS in 1080p video recording mode? While 1080p is very stable due to its combined OIS and EIS, it also crops the view significantly when recording video in this mode (compare it to 4k, which is quite a bit wider but has no EIS). Anyway, the EIS is nice if you want that, but I think there needs to be a toggle or option to turn off EIS and have the wide recording mode in 1080p that is like the 4k mode. As it stands, there does not appear to be a way to change this.
3) 6 minute recording limit in 4k. I guess it's also due to overheating concerns, but why not just make it unlimited and have the phone's temperature monitoring stop recording automatically if it gets to a certain temp? Some people are reporting overheating stoppages even before the 6 minutes, but in cooler environments, we may be able to record indefinitely in 4k.
Things I DO like about the U11's camera though...
1) Photo app and quality are excellent. Nice Pro mode too.
2) Glad I can lock exposure and focus during video recording very easily.
3) Focusing pulling with the touch screen is very nice on the U11 (it doesn't rock back and forth when focusing like many other phone cameras).
4) Audio recording options are very nice (3d audio vs hi-res, and acoustic focus)
https://www.xda-developers.com/htc-u11-updates-srgb-1080p60/
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https://www.xda-developers.com/htc-u11-updates-srgb-1080p60/
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Thanks! It's good to see that they are working on adding 1080p/60, though it appears to be a ways off.
Another thing that bothers me (when compared to the S8 or iPhone 7) is that I can't seem to take a photo while recording in 4k. I'm not sure if that's a software or hardware limitation, but I used that all the time on those phones. I really like using the squeeze to open the camera, take a photo, and switch between front and rear cameras though!
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Thanks! It's good to see that they are working on adding 1080p/60, though it appears to be a ways off.
Another thing that bothers me (when compared to the S8 or iPhone 7) is that I can't seem to take a photo while recording in 4k. I'm not sure if that's a software or hardware limitation, but I used that all the time on those phones. I really like using the squeeze to open the camera, take a photo, and switch between front and rear cameras though!
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Try Open Camera on XDA, it works shooting 1080P without EIS and no time length limitation on 4K.
I've also see the same issue on the HTC 10 in regards to the 4k and taking a photo while recording if you can call it an issue. I suppose no one had complained about it and they left it unchanged
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Try Open Camera on XDA, it works shooting 1080P without EIS and no time length limitation on 4K.
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It's a nice camera app, thanks. Tried various settings in the app for video recording. Looks like no matter what framerate you choose, it can't go above 30fps. I thought maybe it would let me shoot 1080p/60, but nope (even when setting it to 60fps, it still records at 30). Also doesn't seem to be a way to take a photo while shooting video in this app? Nice that you can shoot longer than 6 minutes in 4k though (I didn't try it yet, but I assume it works).
wilpang said:
I've also see the same issue on the HTC 10 in regards to the 4k and taking a photo while recording if you can call it an issue. I suppose no one had complained about it and they left it unchanged
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I call it an "issue" only because I have come to expect it when shooting video now. In fact, I used it quite frequently on my iPhone and Galaxy S8. Being able to take a photo without interrupting the video recording is a pretty important feature, in my opinion. I suppose one could load up the video in software and capture a frame manually, but it's a feature that other flagships have, so I miss it.
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It's a nice camera app, thanks. Tried various settings in the app for video recording. Looks like no matter what framerate you choose, it can't go above 30fps. I thought maybe it would let me shoot 1080p/60, but nope (even when setting it to 60fps, it still records at 30). Also doesn't seem to be a way to take a photo while shooting video in this app? Nice that you can shoot longer than 6 minutes in 4k though (I didn't try it yet, but I assume it works).
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60fps will come with one of the next OTA updates.
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Travisimo said:
I call it an "issue" only because I have come to expect it when shooting video now. In fact, I used it quite frequently on my iPhone and Galaxy S8. Being able to take a photo without interrupting the video recording is a pretty important feature, in my opinion. I suppose one could load up the video in software and capture a frame manually, but it's a feature that other flagships have, so I miss it.
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Indeed, my old year 2012 HTC One S supported shooting FHD video and taking a real photo at the same time and I owned a Galaxy S6 support that feature too. However, I think during 4K recording that no phone could take a real photo, all they do is just capture a frame from video clip and pretend that is a photo.
TheEndHK said:
Indeed, my old year 2012 HTC One S supported shooting FHD video and taking a real photo at the same time and I owned a Galaxy S6 support that feature too. However, I think during 4K recording that no phone could take a real photo, all they do is just capture a frame from video clip and pretend that is a photo.
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Right, I understand it's not an actual "photo" at the highest resolution, but I would still like the convenience of capturing a frame during 4k video recording like I can on all of the other flagships phones.
Wow I'm glad I found this post, I thought I was going crazy with the issues you mentioned, especially the cropped 1080p video! I hope they can fix that with the 60fps update, because it is really annoying.
Hi, 60fps still not possible?
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Hi, 60fps still not possible?
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1080p60 is being introduced in stock ROMs with versions 1.26 and higher.
Do you know if EIS for 4k video is planned? Thinking about buying the U11 instead of the much too expensive Pixel 2, but the lack of EIS in this case is a bit of a bummer.