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[Q] Is it worth it to sell your 16gb Moto X for a 32gb Dev Edition?

I have been regretting having only 16gb of storage on my moto X since all my other android items have 32gb and I somehow manage to burn through the 16gb all the time. I have also not had any luck getting root back since upgrading to 4.4 and am pretty bummed that no one has figured out how to unlock the bootloader. Has anyone ditched their basic 16gb moto x for a 32gb Dev edition? I am thinking it might be worth the extra hundred dollars or so since moto is having a sale on them. Vote and help decide the fate of my phone!:good:

I just did exactly what you are pondering and I'm happy with my decision. Took advantage of the recent $100 off deal to get my DE for $350, and I'll be selling my 16GB once I switch it over.

32gb not enough for me. Need 64gb or better yet 128gb. I'd settle for 32gb internal with micro SD card slot.
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@rbiter said:
32gb not enough for me. Need 64gb or better yet 128gb. I'd settle for 32gb internal with micro SD card slot.
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Good luck with your new phone then....how much you want for your X?
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kj2112 said:
Good luck with your new phone then....how much you want for your X?
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Lol. Not selling my X or note3. Using my X for my phone and keeping the note3 very close by.
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@rbiter said:
Lol. Not selling my X or note3. Using my X for my phone and keeping the note3 very close by.
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Damn. Need one for the wife. To replace her once beloved iPhone. Til she played with my x.
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Another line on our Verizon account was eligible for an upgrade, I have unlimited still. Upgraded the other line at a big box store to a 16GB for $1, swapped devices, purchased dev edition, activated, sold 16GB, sold the old Droid X and the net was $107 for a DE, other family member got an upgrade from Droid X to Gnex, and a 2 year renewed contract for them and I got to keep unlimited.
I'd sell it for the DE any day; double the memory, unlockable with warranty, easy everything. Super happy with my Verizon DE. Then again, I only had a standard black/woven black 16GB for less than 24 hours.

For 50 bucks more I'd get a DE without question. But I'm in Canada, so I got the regular X...but I'm extremely happy. And I'd never need 32gb....but that's me.
I'd still have gotten the DE tho....if I could have.
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I think the dev edition is worth it. Especially if you need 32gb. The unlocked bootloader is also great since you never have to worry about root getting locked down.

People keep talking like rooting and stuff is easier and/or better on the DE. LOL. Its no different in that way whatsoever than any other x that you can unlock the boot loader.
Exactly the same everything. Only difference is warranty stays in tact....otherwise no different than any other unlockable X.
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kj2112 said:
People keep talking like rooting and stuff is easier and/or better on the DE. LOL. Its no different in that way whatsoever than any other x that you can unlock the boot loader.
Exactly the same everything. Only difference is warranty stays in tact....otherwise no different than any other unlockable X.
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Except you can't unlock the bootloader on the regular AT&T and Verizon versions, the two largest carriers...

detonation said:
Except you can't unlock the bootloader on the regular AT&T and Verizon versions, the two largest carriers...
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And why anyone would buy them is beyond me. Buy a used or new one from another carrier...and use it on those networks if you really want to be with them.
Never would I buy a phone I can't unlock. No way.
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Keeping in mind I'm not talking about the 99.5 percent of their customers that have never heard of rooting.
But us.....the 0.5 percent ....why would any of us buy an unlockable phone. May as well get an iPhone then. LOL
K....I take back the iPhone joke. The Moto x is better than iPhone out of the box.
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kj2112 said:
People keep talking like rooting and stuff is easier and/or better on the DE. LOL. Its no different in that way whatsoever than any other x that you can unlock the boot loader.
Exactly the same everything. Only difference is warranty stays in tact....otherwise no different than any other unlockable X.
Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
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Rooting is easier on DE and/or gsm version with unlockable bootloader. I was so frustrated at the root methods not working and the extra hoop jumping and troubleshooting I said screw the warranty. I need my root. Android is worthless to me without it.
sent from my sm-9005.

detonation said:
Except you can't unlock the bootloader on the regular AT&T and Verizon versions, the two largest carriers...
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Probably stop buying from those useless morons who also put their ugly crappy logo on the phones. Unlocked GSM version baby.

32+ gigs and unlockable bootloader. Developer edition or not, those are things I would never compromise on any phone. Even if the phone came rooted out of the box, having an unlocked bootloader gives you the freedom to modify things you otherwise could not or should not. It's almost like asking freedom vs imprisonment., actually it's exactly like that.
MotoX GSM Developer Edition, Bootloader Unlocked, Rooted, Stock 4.4.2 Great Britain on T-Mobile !

kirdroid said:
Probably stop buying from those useless morons who also put their ugly crappy logo on the phones. Unlocked GSM version baby.
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Yes, useless morons with the best coverage, and logo's I couldn't care less about.

After moving from Verizon to T-Mobile I can honestly say their coverage is overrated, but I think his point was to buy Dev editions from Motorola and you wouldn't have these issues. I would have gotten a Verizon Dev edition until Verizon explained that even If I buy a phone cash I still have to pay their overpriced monthly charges including subsidies for phones I bought years ago. Screw that. T-Mobile all day every day the savings is worth it.
MotoX GSM Developer Edition, Bootloader Unlocked, Rooted, Stock 4.4.2 Great Britain on T-Mobile !

detonation said:
Yes, useless morons with the best coverage, and logo's I couldn't care less about.
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Good...hopefully Verizon puts more big ugly logos everywhere since their customers seem to like or not care.

kirdroid said:
Good...hopefully Verizon puts more big ugly logos everywhere since their customers seem to like or not care.
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F*ck XDA can be full of dicks sometimes.
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What if he gets NO service anywhere around him other than with Verizon, "nah bro, just get the T-Mo one anyway" sh*t ton of good a phone with no service is.

Again...if I had to use Verizon say.....I'd get DE edition...or buy another compatible carriers phone and sim unlock it. I'd never own a phone I couldn't unlock. But that's just me.
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Someone root and unlock dis bish

Save me from having to get the Nexus 6 monstrosity.

LifeAsADroid said:
Save me from having to get the Nexus 6 monstrosity.
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this only factor its keeping me from over hype myself to this phone, if someone roots and unlocks bootloader this beast. will be the android phone of the year on size specs and battery.

That's where I am. N6 is too big. I have a Moto X and Nexus 7 (both 2013), and the N6 is just too big, based on the PhoneArena size comparisons. I need root, so the N6 has a slight advantage right now.
I love the idea of a Nexus phone, but the Turbo has most of the features I would want, like Moto Apps (same/similar to Moto X), wireless charging, amazing battery, and it's not so big. I know the N6 will be easy to root/unlock, but I don't if that is enough to outweigh the size.
Price is still an unknown on the Turbo, too. I have to think it's less than the $649 of the N6.
Semi-related.. Another thing I was thinking about the other day.. the Turbo has capacative buttons, with no menu button. My Moto X has on-screen buttons and does show the three dots from time to time that works as a menu button on the right side of the nav bar. How would the Turbo handle such a situation? Would the developer be forced to make a menu button somewhere in their app?

Don't forget about the note 4
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I'm confident we'll get root. Almost every phone out there has gotten root, most without much delay.
Time will tell though

This might be the first phone I might not care about root. I don't use hotspots. Its 90% pure Android with actually useful extra features. With 3 gigs of ram and that battery, do I really care about bloat apps? I think maybe unicon and xposed might be my only reasons. And there not just haves. Of course I want root. Its my phone. But it won't be a deal breaker for me.

I've been spoiled by Xposed, and do use hotspot for my N7. I also use some Tasker profiles that need root, so it's kind of a must for me. I agree with @rajuabju, at the rate things have been going, it won't be more than a few months. Who knows, maybe this latest Moto exploit will work. Or maybe the middleman will have codes for the Turbo. We'll know in a few weeks, I guess.

fury683 said:
I've been spoiled by Xposed, and do use hotspot for my N7. I also use some Tasker profiles that need root, so it's kind of a must for me. I agree with @rajuabju, at the rate things have been going, it won't be more than a few months. Who knows, maybe this latest Moto exploit will work. Or maybe the middleman will have codes for the Turbo. We'll know in a few weeks, I guess.
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Lol, exactly why I won't get a phone without root. Xposed and the hacked hotspot app for VZW. Also why I would like it "permanently" unlocked (like the RAZR HD was - a blown fuse that can't be fixed or "patched" once destroyed), easier to flash SuperSU.zip onto the phone after every update without worrying about "is it safe to take the update or not? Will I lose root?"

How much success has there been unlocking bootloaders on these Verizon Motorola devices in the past year or two?

grin0048 said:
How much success has there been unlocking bootloaders on these Verizon Motorola devices in the past year or two?
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My Verizon Moto Maker Moto X is unlocked. The Chinese middleman was unlocking Moto X and another Moto phone.. Maxx or Ultra, maybe?
And SunShine seemed to work on most Droids.
Unless you were being sarcastic, in which case, you got me.

fury683 said:
My Verizon Moto Maker Moto X is unlocked. The Chinese middleman was unlocking Moto X and another Moto phone.. Maxx or Ultra, maybe?
And SunShine seemed to work on most Droids.
Unless you were being sarcastic, in which case, you got me.
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No, wasn't trying to be sarcastic at all. I've been rolling with my S3 for the past 2.5 years and haven't been paying very much attention outside of that. I was somewhat aware that it was possible to pay some...one...thing...idk to get some of these Motorola devices unlocked--what a strange situation that is.

grin0048 said:
How much success has there been unlocking bootloaders on these Verizon Motorola devices in the past year or two?
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I would say there are probably equal odds that SunShine works for Turbo, or that Moto patched it. But given the propensity to root/unlock devices, it will happen rather quickly.

Sunshine won't work for the Droid Turbo, yet.
It only works for 4.4.3 and below, the Turbo will undoubtedly be released on 4.4.4 or 5.0, but that doesn't mean it won't eventually work. It's the only hope though.

I've been out of the CDMA loop for years and years and years now. Don't these phones use SIMs now? Is it just a matter of software unlocking GSM frequencies or is it still completely different hardware?
I was a phablet user for 2 years but went back to a N5 and am actually liking the smaller form factor, and would get this over the N6. A stock 5.0 port making this GPe would sure be sweet.
This phone looks geeat, but I'm on TMo.

Poi25 said:
I've been out of the CDMA loop for years and years and years now. Don't these phones use SIMs now? Is it just a matter of software unlocking GSM frequencies or is it still completely different hardware?
I was a phablet user for 2 years but went back to a N5 and am actually liking the smaller form factor, and would get this over the N6. A stock 5.0 port making this GPe would sure be sweet.
This phone looks geeat, but I'm on TMo.
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The SIM is for LTE only, I believe. The rest is done over CDMA. I believe the N6 has a US edition and a world edition, so the US edition will work with all major carriers on all bands and won't really be "different". The Droid line is Verizon exclusive, so it will be locked to CDMA and Verizon's LTE bands.

grin0048 said:
No, wasn't trying to be sarcastic at all. I've been rolling with my S3 for the past 2.5 years and haven't been paying very much attention outside of that. I was somewhat aware that it was possible to pay some...one...thing...idk to get some of these Motorola devices unlocked--what a strange situation that is.
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you could pay a middle man to send you an unlock code but you needed to pass along your IMEI number to get it...now, sunshine seems to unlock just about all of the Moto phones from 2013 afaik...
i HIGHLY doubt sunshine will work out of the box on a Turbo..but heres to hoping...

Metfanant said:
you could pay a middle man to send you an unlock code but you needed to pass along your IMEI number to get it...now, sunshine seems to unlock just about all of the Moto phones from 2013 afaik...
i HIGHLY doubt sunshine will work out of the box on a Turbo..but heres to hoping...
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I used the MiddleMan for my Moto G while I was on a prepaid Verizon plan. $45 well spent.
I was VERY lucky to have gotten my Verizon HTC One M7's bootloader unlocked the first day it came out Verizon blundered and didn't turn off that capability through HTC right away.

Will this beast be available worldwide or only in the US ?
PLEASE say worldwide.

roddem said:
Will this beast be available worldwide or only in the US ?
PLEASE say worldwide.
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PLEASE don't troll threads with your stupid questions that have nothing to do with the topic.

Metfanant said:
you could pay a middle man to send you an unlock code but you needed to pass along your IMEI number to get it...now, sunshine seems to unlock just about all of the Moto phones from 2013 afaik...
i HIGHLY doubt sunshine will work out of the box on a Turbo..but heres to hoping...
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If you're going to comment on a dev forum, at least understand the terminology before you use it... otherwise it makes you seem ignorant. "UNLOCKED" and "UNLOCKING THE BOOTLOADER" are two very different things that have ZERO to do with one another.
All LTE CDMA phones for the past 2 years that use a SIM are "unlocked", as this refers to the carrier lock that is placed on the device when it is sold in bulk to network providers (which is why you have three network settings in your phones setting menu - LTE, GSM, and Global). Don't use terminology you don't understand, as you're adding to the ignorance too many seem to have about what unlocking is and what unlocking a bootloader is. It makes it only that much harder for other individuals to get the correct information, and is the reason why a VZW rep tried to tell me I don't need a developer edition to unlock my phone, because all LTE devices are unlocked when I tried to explain I was looking for a developer edition so I could unlock the bootloader.
Very few Verizon phones have the capability to unlock the phone's bootloader, which allows for rooting without an exploit and the ability to flash custom ROMs (firmware), such as Cyanagenmod. Those of you believing root will appear on any new Motorola phones are not well versed in Motorola phones sold by Verizon. Dan Rosenberg, who is the person anyone with a Motorola device on Verizon has to to thank for the last half decade of being able to root your Motorola VZW phones, has repeatedly posted on numerous threads for over a year to not expect for your Motorola devices to be rooted and if you want root, either buy a Nexus or buy a Developer Edition (if VZW is going to release any more editions after the S5 is not known and information about Developer Editions for the Note 4 Droid Turbo have been repeatedly ignored by VZW's Public Affairs office). This is due to the fact VZW has wizened up and made finding an exploit on anything past 4.4.4 nigh impossible. Exploits that allow root access are not easy to find (taking several months for most VZW Moto root exploits) and as soon as one is found, within a matter of weeks, if not days, VZW will push an automatic update, forcing your phone to update to patch the exploit. This is why when you root your phone you're told to disable OTA updates at the apk level by freezing the update apk or removing it all together after making a backup of it.
Many Motorola users got a surprise in late Spring when a Moto employee "accidentally" included the exploited code that allowed you to blow the fuse and unlock the bootloader of devices running 4.4.2. That was a once in a billion opportunity that will probably never happen again. Every time an exploit has been found that allowed root access or the ability to unlock the bootloader (which was only recently cracked in the past year, possibly two... to put that in perspective, it took over half a decade for Dan Rosenberg to find the exploit that allowed the internal fuse to be blown, unlocking the bootloader). Exploits are not easy things to find, especially in Motorola devices running on VZW's network.
To all of those that like to post root bounties... BUY A DEVELOPER EDITION. You'll pay $300 for a device and then offer $300+ for a root bounty... which is the cost of developer edition device... considering VZW offers Edge, you no longer have to pay full retail in one go for a DE. From this point forward, VZW customers need to comprehend the fact that rooting will continue to be increasingly difficult to perform, most especially on Moto phones running on VZW's network. If you want root access, buy the S5 developer edition or wait until the first week of december to see if a developer edition for the Note 4 will be released (if a Note 4 DE is going to be released, it will occur within the 4 - 6 weeks following it's RTM on 10/23 [Thursday]).

Re-lock bootloader?

I received my amazon white/bamboo X last week. I also had pre ordered a moto maker that I am to receive tomorrow.
I've already rooted/unlocked my bamboo one (stupid I know). The plan was to keep the one that I liked more. I've been reading good things about the moto maker backs as far as grip goes.
If I decide to send this bamboo one back, can I re-lock my bootloader? Do I even need to?
TIA
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There is already a thread on this here. As someone said though, the bootloader will show up as relocked rather than just locked, so Motorola will know it's been unlocked. You can probably just send it back unlocked and they will take care of it.

[WARNING] Cricket Customers and the Moto E. You can't do anything with this phone.

I got a Moto E from Cricket the other day and spent the last couple of days searching the forums to no avail and I hope to save others from wasting their time. I feel like if this is true it should be in one of the Guides or FAQs or something. I had to do a lot of searching before finding all this out.
So apparently Cricket/Att have opted out of/refused to participate in Motorolas bootloader unlock program.
The ONLY way (so far at least) to unlock your bootloader is by using the official unlock code from Motorola.
If you try and get the code from their site you get the error message: "Your device does not qualify for bootloader unlocking."
The only way to get root is to have an unlocked bootloader.
To make matters even worse, it appears as if they have completely blocked the ability to move ANY apps to the SD card. So you will have about 2Gigs total for apps.
I am going to try and return the phone today and buy an already unlocked version. Id love it if I was wrong about this but afaik that is the state of things atm.

Did you get it replaced?
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Cheez2553 said:
Did you get it replaced?
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I returned it yesterday. I'm about to order a new unlocked one from Amazon.
Right now I'm just trying to decide which case to get with it, and between the US GSM and Global GSM version.

https://www.cricketwireless.com/support/apps-and-services/device-unlock/customer/device-unlock.html
Get friendly with one of the store employees. They can probably make it happen.
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flapjackfiasco said:
https://www.cricketwireless.com/support/apps-and-services/device-unlock/customer/device-unlock.html
Get friendly with one of the store employees. They can probably make it happen.
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This is just for sim unlock. Has nothing to do with unlocking of bootloader. Not going to happen. Strange as I was previously using an HTC desire 510 purchased in January 2015 on Cricket and had no problem unlocking that bootloader. I think it's just this particular phone. Either that or I just happened to get lucky.... Typically not the case though

Hello, I just bought a moto e 1st gen (global unlocked) from amazon, the thing is that amazon sent me a cricket version of the phone. The phone is actually global unlocked but it has a lot of cricket apps and the software is limited by cricket which means that for example the wifi hotspot is not available, I was wondering if there is something I could do to activate the wifi hotspot ? thanks

ojmh7 said:
Hello, I just bought a moto e 1st gen (global unlocked) from amazon, the thing is that amazon sent me a cricket version of the phone. The phone is actually global unlocked but it has a lot of cricket apps and the software is limited by cricket which means that for example the wifi hotspot is not available, I was wondering if there is something I could do to activate the wifi hotspot ? thanks
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I don't know ojmh7, that is really weird. Are you sure it's unlocked? Did you buy it new?

DarkBlaidd said:
I don't know ojmh7, that is really weird. Are you sure it's unlocked? Did you buy it new?
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Yep, it is a NEW global sim unlocked phone, bought it directly from amazon (not third party vendors), only 3 weeks ago. In fact I just tried to unlock the bootloader and I get the same msj as you "Your device does not qualify for bootloader unlocking", so looks like I'm screwed too.
So carefull if you decide to buy a moto e 1st gen from amazon because you might get a cricket version phone

ojmh7 said:
Yep, it is a NEW global sim unlocked phone, bought it directly from amazon (not third party vendors), only 3 weeks ago. In fact I just tried to unlock the bootloader and I get the same msj as you "Your device does not qualify for bootloader unlocking", so looks like I'm screwed too.
So carefull if you decide to buy a moto e 1st gen from amazon because you might get a cricket version phone
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Can you return it? I'd try for sure, it sounds like you didn't get what you paid for.

moto e cricket - android 4.4.4
hi,
i am in the same boat. need to root this moto e and i cannot return it bought it from e bay.
any ideas

DarkBlaidd said:
I got a Moto E from Cricket the other day and spent the last couple of days searching the forums to no avail and I hope to save others from wasting their time. I feel like if this is true it should be in one of the Guides or FAQs or something. I had to do a lot of searching before finding all this out.
So apparently Cricket/Att have opted out of/refused to participate in Motorolas bootloader unlock program.
The ONLY way (so far at least) to unlock your bootloader is by using the official unlock code from Motorola.
If you try and get the code from their site you get the error message: "Your device does not qualify for bootloader unlocking."
The only way to get root is to have an unlocked bootloader.
To make matters even worse, it appears as if they have completely blocked the ability to move ANY apps to the SD card. So you will have about 2Gigs total for apps.
I am going to try and return the phone today and buy an already unlocked version. Id love it if I was wrong about this but afaik that is the state of things atm.
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At least we gonna get the lollipop update? or we're ****ed in every single way?

Did anyone install the lollipop update?
I received notification about it, but it failed because the phone did not have enough space (850 MB). I cleaned up space, but now the update notification is gone.

vevgeniev said:
Did anyone install the lollipop update?
I received notification about it, but it failed because the phone did not have enough space (850 MB). I cleaned up space, but now the update notification is gone.
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After "Factory data reset" I received the notification and updated my phone to Android 5.1

vevgeniev said:
Did anyone install the lollipop update?
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I just did. Seems smooth despite of the basic specs of this phone but it appears to me that the Lollipop upgrade reduced a little the internal storage capacity

atomomega said:
it appears to me that the Lollipop upgrade reduced a little the internal storage capacity
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It's the same with my phone. I only have Facebook, Messenger and Viber (all installed on the SD card) and the internal storage is already full.

Rooting Verizon Droid Turbo 2

Does anyone have any tips? I've tried Kingoroot with no luck.

Have to unlock bootloader first.
Which is not possible at this time with this Verizon phone.

Buy an X-Force

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Buy an X-Force
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Or if he needs Verizon, get a phone where XDA forum shows the Verizon bootloader can be unlocked. For instance Droid Turbo XT1254 -- as long as it's not on the very latest firmware version (and Sunshine team is even working on that).
Or other Sunshine cracked phones.
Or Moto Nexus 6.
Point is, with Verizon phones you really have to research first before you buy -- if rooting is important to you.