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Play r800a vs r800at - might have found a difference

http://goo.gl/GSW3l
Logically speaking, the a would be the unlockable one, and the at, the AT&T locked-to-kingdom-come-and-then-some one.
Sorry if this was already posted.

R800a will be SIM/Network locked to Rogers and will likely have a Rogers boot screen. Unlocking companies say they can unlock it for use on AT&T though it may need the APN settings configured correctly to use 3G on AT&T.
Also, R800at will probably take forever to be officially released

So we're basically f'd with the bootloader then?

There isn't a variant model number for the off-contract full price option for Rogers (which could have been a wildcard for unlocking) so I guarantee all North American Xperia Plays will be SIM locked to their respective carriers and therefore not eligible for the official bootloader unlock (there may be other ways but I don't know). It makes no sense for them to do otherwise since the carriers are using contracts to subsidize the phone to make more money in the long run. It does make sense for the international model (R800i) to be SIM unlocked in key markets since it covers most of the rest of the world other than North America and that is a much bigger market with many variables.
Somebody will have to ultimately connect to a Rogers Xperia Play R800a model and see if fastboot will run on it since the "at" model won't be available anytime soon. At least not before the CDMA Verizon model which has yet to even be announced. I just wouldn't be surprised if it won't run...
http://unlockbootloader.sonyericsson.com/which-phones

I have a AT&T Xperia Play R800a
I tried to contact Engadget to show off some pictures of the AT&T boot and bloatware but they never responded yet to my e-mail.
I traded my iphone 4 16GB + Cash on top and met up with a guy in Fremont CA earlier today and he was willing to take my offer since he was a big Apple Fan. He already owned a Droid X from Verizon and Apple Ipad and had no use for it. At first I thought it was a R800i UK model but after seeing the phone description in the settings I was shocked!
If any you guys want some information about the phone i'll be happy to snap some photos of it.

Warudakumi said:
I tried to contact Engadget to show off some pictures of the AT&T boot and bloatware but they never responded yet to my e-mail.
I traded my iphone 4 16GB + Cash on top and met up with a guy in Fremont CA earlier today and he was willing to take my offer since he was a big Apple Fan. He already owned a Droid X from Verizon and Apple Ipad and had no use for it. At first I thought it was a R800i UK model but after seeing the phone description in the settings I was shocked!
If any you guys want some information about the phone i'll be happy to snap some photos of it.
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I'm a little confused? So you have a R800a with AT&T boot and bloatware that's not a R800at? Or did I misread that? In any case, I would be interested in seeing what they did to it.
Also, I suspect that it's locked to prevent the install of 3rd party apps. If so, have you been able to use ADB to install apps? I know Sony Ericsson has a program with USB drivers for the X10, but I don't know if it'll work with the Play or not.

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I'm a little confused? So you have a R800a with AT&T boot and bloatware that's not a R800at? Or did I misread that? In any case, I would be interested in seeing what they did to it.
Also, I suspect that it's locked to prevent the install of 3rd party apps. If so, have you been able to use ADB to install apps? I know Sony Ericsson has a program with USB drivers for the X10, but I don't know if it'll work with the Play or not.
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Nope I have an authentic AT&T R800at model. I made another thread with pictures linked to my photobucket account. I don't have enough posts to post pictures directly at the moment. I didn't believe it myself when the guy showed me the phone. There are lots of scammers on craigslist with the iphone etc. where people are buying "dummy phones" and packaging them like they are legit.
He didn't seem to want to tell me where he got it but he was dressed pretty professional so maybe he knows somebody that works with AT&T? I'm just scared to update the software on the phone in fear it might lockup or something. I'll post more pictures later when I get off work.
If there is anything else you wanted to see, please feel free to ask. I'm still new to the android scene but i'm quickly learning. I have a Galaxy Tab and a 3G Vibrant with the awesome FFC mod I learned from this site. I finally joined the darkside and i'm enjoying this phone. If I didn't come up on this find I might be one of those Fanboys anxiously waiting for a Iphone5 with probably barely any new features to justify it being cool anymore.
This is what I'll upload later
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Phone Properties Screen
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Canadian Xperia Play on AT&T

Anybody planning on buying the off contract Rogers version of the Xperia Play (R800a) to use on AT&T? The big release day is tomorrow...

Im wondering about this too. Ive been wanting a xperia play since before it was announced. Problem is, Im with Bell. Just want to be sure I can unlock it and use it with my current carrier instead of Rogers.
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I emailed Mobileincanada.com if they could do it and they replied yes. I was referred to them by a fairly knowledgeable guy on Howard Forums who used them in the past. They will purportedly refund your unlock if it doesn't work...
I would go buy one and try but I don't live in Canada, heh. The nearest Rogers store is over 6 hours away from me and no guarantee they will have stock when I get there.
http://www.mobileincanada.com/How-To-Unlock-Your-Cellphone

Looks like im gonna have to do a little recon mission. I think they have a Xperia play on display in my mall. Ill have to see if I can get the IMEI and check that website to be sure.
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anyone know any shops that sells this phone and ships to US? as far as i know, future shop nor best buy ca does not ship to US.

Also noticed this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLkEZJm0aBQ&feature=channel_video_title
A tutorial on how to unlock your Xperia Play phone. Rogers Xperia Play is amongst the list of phones in the descriptions. So I'm guessing that it can be unlocked, unless cellunlocker.net is a scam {highly doubt it based on brief research}

Guys I have a question :
I won a free xperia play from sony ericsson canada and I can't connect it to fastboot. I tried holding search then plug in usb but no blue light. I tried back and i get green light but the drivers dont work. I just wanna see if I unlock the bootloader

What model number is your Xperia Play? R800a? I believe all Rogers models (R800a) are SIM/Network locked, which can't use the official bootloader according to Sony's docs.
http://unlockbootloader.sonyericsson.com/which-phones
People have explained a way to get root even with a locked bootloader in the forums though.
I too am looking for an outlet to buy a Canadian Play from. I assume at this point all 'official' distributors of the phone can't export it outside the country since it is SIM locked to Rogers.
TheChancellor... please post your results!

axiomjunglist said:
What model number is your Xperia Play? R800a? I believe all Rogers models (R800a) are SIM/Network locked, which can't use the official bootloader according to Sony's docs.
http://unlockbootloader.sonyericsson.com/which-phones
People have explained a way to get root even with a locked bootloader in the forums though.
I too am looking for an outlet to buy a Canadian Play from. I assume at this point all 'official' distributors of the phone can't export it outside the country since it is SIM locked to Rogers.
TheChancellor... please post your results!
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WOW! Even tho I won it from sony ericsson it's still rogers branded! Good thing im with rogers

Just bought it from ebay, the white version as i wanted, and i save the trip (FL to Canada would take a bit longer than 6 hours lol)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...2y%2FWfoTofmlrs05zRVcl1vxBU%3D#ht_5245wt_1129

Lol, damnit... I was totally looking at that last night too. You snooze, you lose.
Please post your results of bootloader unlocking/root access when you get it will you?

axiomjunglist said:
Lol, damnit... I was totally looking at that last night too. You snooze, you lose.
Please post your results of bootloader unlocking/root access when you get it will you?
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Sure, i will do, but it will be after May 13th, because i'm out of town till that day

Planning on getting this phone.
A co-worker is in Canada this week and is flying back to the US in a few hours. I asked him to pick up an Xperia Play for me. He went to Best Buy, and they wouldn't sell him one without a contract. He is gonna go to a Rogers store on the way to the airport and try to get one.
The first thing I will need to do if/when I get it is to Sim Unlock it. I have been looking for a site to do it that is less shady and not that expensive.
I will probably go with the site mentioned above unless someone suggests something better in the next few hours.
Afterwards I will reply here with the results.
If any one else has any success or failure getting their Xperia Play Sim Unlocked let us know.

I used this site a few time: mobileincanada. Very fast (less than 1 hour normally). Got my Rogers Xperia play unlocked today and now I use it with Telus, so should work with any network (assuming it's the right frequency)

Been refreshing eBay all day but nothing coming up. Sad. I really want one. Judging by the number of hits this post is getting so does everyone else, lol.
That sucks reports are coming in that Best Buy won't sell without a contract. I called them just last week to confirm they could sell one contract free and they said they could. Must be totally hit and miss right now. No way in hell I'm driving 6 hours across the border just to get the run around...

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Been refreshing eBay all day but nothing coming up. Sad. I really want one. Judging by the number of hits this post is getting so does everyone else, lol.
That sucks reports are coming in that Best Buy won't sell without a contract. I called them just last week to confirm they could sell one contract free and they said they could. Must be totally hit and miss right now. No way in hell I'm driving 6 hours across the border just to get the run around...
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Go to sony style canada, they will sell you one contract free but!!! still locked(shouldnt be a problem tho). Also heard that walmart is gonna sell them.

here you have another one on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/SONY-ERICSSON-X...ell_Phones&hash=item19c515efeb#ht_2161wt_1129

axiomjunglist said:
That sucks reports are coming in that Best Buy won't sell without a contract. I called them just last week to confirm they could sell one contract free and they said they could. Must be totally hit and miss right now. No way in hell I'm driving 6 hours across the border just to get the run around...
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BestBuy.ca has the non-contract xperia play online. just do a buy online and pick-up in store, they cant make u sign up if u already have bought it at 550.
doesnt help me though i dont want to drive 11 hours to get the phone, im still trying to find it online non ebay.
emann56 said:
Go to sony style canada, they will sell you one contract free but!!! still locked(shouldnt be a problem tho). Also heard that walmart is gonna sell them.
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the sonly style ca sight doesnt sell cell phones from what i can tell.

Lol, no way I'm paying close to a grand with shipping for that. Seller has lost his marbles. But hey someone is probably more desperate than I am.
I do have a lead I'm following... We'll see how it goes.
I'll have to also check and see if SonyStyle Canada will ship to the US. Betting probably not though.

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Lol, no way I'm paying close to a grand with shipping for that. Seller has lost his marbles. But hey someone is probably more desperate than I am.
I do have a lead I'm following... We'll see how it goes.
I'll have to also check and see if SonyStyle Canada will ship to the US. Betting probably not though.
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as far as i know, sonystyle doesnt sell phone over their site, and they only ship to their respective region

For those wondering if the N6 will work on Verizon....

I just spoke with an awesome and knowledgeable rep from Google over the phone. He told me without a doubt that the N6 OUT OF THE BOX will work on Verizon. There will NOT be a special model made for Verizon and that there is TWO Models, A US & International Model THAT'S IT. He said anyone who buys from the Play Store can simply pop in their SIM and the phone will do the rest. He also stated if you need more confirmation, Just visit http://www.google.com/nexus/6/ and scroll the the bottom right and there you will see Verizon Wireless.
Some of us already knew this including myself, But i realize some of you are nervous about spending all your money just for the phone not to work. You are good to go!

J.Guido85 said:
I just spoke with an awesome and knowledgeable rep from Google over the phone. He told me without a doubt that the N6 OUT OF THE BOX will work on Verizon. There will NOT be a special model made for Verizon and that there is TWO Models, A US & International Model THAT'S IT. He said anyone who buys from the Play Store can simply pop in their SIM and the phone will do the rest. He also stated if you need more confirmation, Just visit http://www.google.com/nexus/6/ and scroll the the bottom right and there you will see Verizon Wireless.
Some of us already knew this including myself, But i realize some of you are nervous about spending all your money just for the phone not to work. You are good to go!
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Im one of the many americans who live nearly paycheck to paycheck and cant afford to pay 649 for a phone off contract, sure id love to just not feasible in my current situation. 199 on contract is perfect for me because i can sell my galaxy s4 for around that and not have to pay any "out of pocket" i know in the end im paying more but this is just easier for me, than dropping 649 all at once. With that being said im gonna start saving for it and if verzion decides to delay that long i will purchase from google.

seems like tmobile is the only carrier i can see offering this on the home screen of their site.

http://www.droid-life.com/2014/10/31/nexus-6-working-on-verizon-out-of-the-box/
or there is this...

This does not answer the question that MOST people need answered....... We don't care if the play store version will work on Verizon......most people aren't buying the play store version outright.... We need to know if the Verizon version will be locked down..... Just because it's the same hardware doesn't mean that Verizon doesn't get Motorola to flash their own version of firmware that locks out the ability to unlock the bootloader!

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Im one of the many americans who live nearly paycheck to paycheck and cant afford to pay 649 for a phone off contract, sure id love to just not feasible in my current situation. 199 on contract is perfect for me because i can sell my galaxy s4 for around that and not have to pay any "out of pocket" i know in the end im paying more but this is just easier for me, than dropping 649 all at once. With that being said im gonna start saving for it and if verzion decides to delay that long i will purchase from google.
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You're actually saving money by buying a phone on contract if you are going to use it on Verizon. The only way you save money is paying full retail and then going with a cheaper pre-paid carrier.

Ive pestered verizon online and over the phone and can't get a straight answer if they will ever carry it. Im hoping we hear something offical. From a business standpoint I can see why they would delay it. But thats TERRIBLE for customers but verizon always gets the last word as seen in all previous situations. Im fine to wait until end of Novemeber but any longer I may switch carriers. Might even be some black Friday deals

I think the nexus 6 sold by verizon most likely is a locked phone, which is why verizon store is selling the phone later than other carrier for they need to patched the phone.

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I think the nexus 6 sold by verizon most likely is a locked phone, which is why verizon store is selling the phone later than other carrier for they need to patched the phone.
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I doubt it. Verizon's other high end phones have been GSM unlocked for the most part.

Verizon actually would take the least issue with selling a GSM unlocked device.
All of their LTE devices are sold GSM unlocked.
Because of the compatibility, this appears to be the first device they'll ever truly allow in a "bring your own device" fashion without pre-approving the IMEI in their database. It's good to see, and it makes sense with the push to sign customers up on Edge and the lack of contracts now.

Take it for what it's worth and with a hefty dose of salt, but someone claims to have spoken with their friend who's a network engineer and it sounds dodgy:
http://www.reddit.com/r/nexus6/comments/2lhrm2/detailed_information_on_status_of_the_nexus_6_and/
Sounds like while it may work right out of the box with an existing nano sim, you may be screwed without an existing activated nano sim. Furthermore, it sounds like the delayed release on Verizon (check out the individual page now which only mentions T-Mobile, AT&T, Sprint and US Cellular) may be because Verizon is trying to change the terms of the agreement and try to get software specific to them and they may pull a Nexus One and drop it entirely.
I'm a bit concerned that even if I can get it to work from the day my GPS version arrives, they can at any time decide to block it and I'll have a phone I can't use on Verizon. If they pull that ****, I'll probably just leave for AT&T anyway, but the risk is still there.
Until Verizon officially announces something or is selling the device, those of us with a play store or motorola.com phone we've purchased are taking a risk it may not work or may work for a while and then stop working. And if Verizon decides not to "play ball" then what happens with radio updates? If there are radio bugs, we're screwed because they'd have to go through Verizon for that wouldn't they?

It would make sense if they didn't allow any unlockable bootloader phone on their network. But they are allowing Samsung to sell a dev edition Note 4.

Mayze23 said:
It would make sense if they didn't allow any unlockable bootloader phone on their network. But they are allowing Samsung to sell a dev edition Note 4.
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Like anything Verizon does makes logical sense?

J.Guido85 said:
I just spoke with an awesome and knowledgeable rep from Google over the phone. He told me without a doubt that the N6 OUT OF THE BOX will work on Verizon. There will NOT be a special model made for Verizon and that there is TWO Models, A US & International Model THAT'S IT. He said anyone who buys from the Play Store can simply pop in their SIM and the phone will do the rest. He also stated if you need more confirmation, Just visit http://www.google.com/nexus/6/ and scroll the the bottom right and there you will see Verizon Wireless.
Some of us already knew this including myself, But i realize some of you are nervous about spending all your money just for the phone not to work. You are good to go!
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Just spoke with a Moto Rep and he assured me I'll have no problem activating on VZW. Seems like good news... now... white or blue.

Coop9 said:
Just spoke with a Moto Rep and he assured me I'll have no problem activating on VZW. Seems like good news... now... white or blue.
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Regarding the earlier point about whether Verizon will even carry the Nexus 6, I spent some time today at a local Verizon store looking at what my choices might be (like the Droid Turbo) if the Nexus 6 doesn't appear and asked specifically to the availability/timing of the Nexus 6 at Verizon. The manager wasn't aware of any date but did indicate they might not even carry it if the phone couldn't pass the Verizon testing and approval process. Not a answer that gives a great deal of hope but at least I didn't get the entire denial of any knowledge of status.
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If vzw pulls a nexus one to htc incredible or black list imes why don't people organize and protest the fcc. Vzw is a carrier. We should have any device on their network as long as it's not harmful and they must prove harm case by case.
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You would think someone would be in some deep **** if a bunch of us buy it for Verizon and then can't use it, especially when it says Verizon right on the Google play page and numerous of Google and Motorola employees confirming it works. I know were all tense about this but I really believe were all worrying to much. I know Verizons history as much as anyone so can't blame u but I say were gonna be alright.

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You would think someone would be in some deep **** if a bunch of us buy it for Verizon and then can't use it, especially when it says Verizon right on the Google play page and numerous of Google and Motorola employees confirming it works. I know were all tense about this but I really believe were all worrying to much. I know Verizons history as much as anyone so can't blame u but I say were gonna be alright.
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There's nothing on Google Play store saying it works on Verizon BTW... Not sure where you saw that... Unfortunately VZW can carry or not carry any phone they want.

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There's nothing on Google Play store saying it works on Verizon BTW... Not sure where you saw that... Unfortunately VZW can carry or not carry any phone they want.
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It is on the specs page as well as the device page (their logo) and was also mentioned on their blog or whatever. If it's all just to say it's /could/ work, then Google should honor returns well past the 14-day period because it sure as hell is misleading as hell.

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It is on the specs page as well as the device page (their logo) and was also mentioned on their blog or whatever. If it's all just to say it's /could/ work, then Google should honor returns well past the 14-day period because it sure as hell is misleading as hell.
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Interesting; I don't see any of that here.

Moto X Force to Canada?

Hello, I was wondering if any Canadians here have gotten a Moto X Force dual sim edition, and if so, what way did you get it? I can't seem to find any dual sim models that will ship to Canada.
thanks!

Does a dual sim variety even exist? I can't specifically find one. Unless the SIM/MicroSD tray can also operate as dual sim on the standard model? I purchased my Moto X Force from handtec.co.uk. Wasn't cheap with the exchange rate and duty, but I didn't care, I wanted this phone. Specs are incredible after a few months of usage, no complaints.
ONE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE THOUGH! This screen scratches EASILY, largely due to the fact that its not glass, it's a softer plastic material despite feeling very glass like to the touch. Make sure to get a screen protector put on the moment you take it out of the box. The replacement shattershields also aren't available in Canada and I tried like crazy to have Motorola US ship me them, but they would not. You can't order them from their site unless you are shipping to a US address and paying with a US addressed credit card. I finally had to find someone in the US to buy me a couple and reship them up to me. Again, cost a small fortune, but better to have them now for the future than to need them a year or two from now and find that they are no longer available.

JD2005 said:
Does a dual sim variety even exist? I can't specifically find one. Unless the SIM/MicroSD tray can also operate as dual sim on the standard model? I purchased my Moto X Force from handtec.co.uk. Wasn't cheap with the exchange rate and duty, but I didn't care, I wanted this phone. Specs are incredible after a few months of usage, no complaints.
ONE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE THOUGH! This screen scratches EASILY, largely due to the fact that its not glass, it's a softer plastic material despite feeling very glass like to the touch. Make sure to get a screen protector put on the moment you take it out of the box. The replacement shattershields also aren't available in Canada and I tried like crazy to have Motorola US ship me them, but they would not. You can't order them from their site unless you are shipping to a US address and paying with a US addressed credit card. I finally had to find someone in the US to buy me a couple and reship them up to me. Again, cost a small fortune, but better to have them now for the future than to need them a year or two from now and find that they are no longer available.
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From my googling, apparently only the units sold in Brazil/China/Mexico are dual-sim enabled/supported. The unit you got from Handtec/UK, the EU Moto X Force units are single-sim only. They come with a tray that allows for 2 sims + microSD. What's the point of NAFTA if you can't order a phone directly from Mexico? LOL.
Does anyone know how the dual sim works on the Force? If it's Active/Standby or Active/Active? 4G/3G? Maybe I should go for the single sim model if it's going to be this insane of an effort to purchase one.

silentfury said:
Hello, I was wondering if any Canadians here have gotten a Moto X Force dual sim edition, and if so, what way did you get it? I can't seem to find any dual sim models that will ship to Canada. thanks!
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From my googling, apparently only the units sold in Brazil/China/Mexico are dual-sim enabled/supported .
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Yes, several Canadiana and U.S.A. XDA members have gotten dual sim Moto X Force from Mexico, via @Jaocagomez.
@Jaocagomez was offering that service. He lives in Mexico and was re-shipping to other countries, for a very reasonable fee. Contact him and see if he's still doing that?
FYI: I used him to get the predecessor Motorola phone (Quark - Moto Maxx XT1225) from Mexico, December 2014. Worked out very well!
He also offered the service for the Moto X Force (Kinzie). See this thread and his responses:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo-2/help/moto-x-force-to-usa-t3258480
Jaocagomez said:
i've got 2 phones coming my way
1 to colorado, USA
and 1 to Canada
another one also in process.
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This guy (Jaocagomez) gets +1 because he did an excellent job at helping me bring over the Moto X Force into Canada for me. =)
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As you can see from this thread, he's a very helpful and respected XDA member...
[X Force] How to Manually Flash Official Firmware
http://forum.xda-developers.com/dro...force-how-to-manually-flash-official-t3282077

Hi all, I'm new here. Go by the name of vapez. Glad to be here. This is great. I have been waiting for a similar phone, as I think my original droid razr is finally on its death bed. I missed the original turbo and mini, but this seems like a nice one to look for. I think we only have the moto x play available, which I almost bit the bullet and bought, but upon finding out about this and its rugged status, I think its a better fit for me, especially since the droid razr was such a tank for me.

Purchase Force Z through Moto or Verizon?

If I get the Moto Z through Motorola will I bet getting an unlocked, rootable device? The other advantage is being able to get the 64GB option through Moto.

I think I have my answer: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z-force/help/verizon-vs-unlocked-t3423412
Unlocked but restricted or something like that..

As I understand the Z FORCE is exclusive to Verizon. So no matter where you get it, it will be locked down no root or bootloader unlocking.

I am going to go for the Verizon version since there seems to be little benefit to the Moto version. Plus, the Verizon version is only $15/mo at 0%...

emtownsend said:
I am going to go for the Verizon version since there seems to be little benefit to the Moto version. Plus, the Verizon version is only $15/mo at 0%...
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I saw on pocket now daily they are $5.00 a month at bestbuy,

sinclac said:
I saw on pocket now daily they are $5.00 a month at bestbuy,
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That's for the regular Z, not the Force I believe.