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I'm getting my Nexus 4 in about a week and couldn't be more excited.. I used to use an old Motorola Defy on which I ran a slightly buggy CM10 ROM, which was anyday better than the Froyo with MotoBlur it came with. So it made sense to run CM10.
A friend of mine who recently bought a One X decided to flash custom ROMs and despite trying a few ROMs, he claimed that the original Sense ROM was the smoothest. Is that complete bull****? I mean, does the stock N4 ROM work the best compared to the custom ones on here?
And considering the fact that the next version of Android may be around the corner, should I just stick with the stock ROM and wait for an OTA update?
I just want the smoothest experience possible. Not looking for huge list of customizations or anything.
Depends on what you want. If you want slightly better battery life or fancy having more options to tweak as in hardware then a custom rom is the way to go. If you're happy with stock then stay stock. I've unlocked, and rooted my N4 but have kept the stock rom for now. It's just nice being rooted to allow you to back up your apps + DATA which you can't fully do when your unrooted. Plus once your unlocked your bootloader and rooted the world is your oyster, so to speak. At least maybe try rooting and a custom rom or two then if you don't see any real advantage you can always go back to stock rom, unroot then lock your device and have it back to factory default. That way you'll get your OTA updates once more.
My reasons for custom rom
- need full screen for games
- 2g/3G toggles
- custom colors
- ability to under volt etc
- themes
And don't compare custom roms between nexus devices and others
They are lot stable and fully Aosp supported
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first i would say stock rom runs super smooth, super responsive
but like the previous post, i do like the FULL SCREEN FEATURE for games and for anything else you would want more screen real estate for ex, web browsing, movies, or to just have a different sort of UI with no nav or status bar and just pie
but then again pie is just a launcher, but you would need a custom rom for full screen, nav and status bar customization
Kernels are something else, ive been using franco kernel since day 1 for all my devices (nexus 4,7,10) super stable and very CONSISTENT with me and by that i mean i never run into random problems with my phone its always running the same.
its all about personal preference.
A lot of people say there is no point in using custom ROMs on a nexus. But I disagree. Custom ROMs give you the stock ASOP experience that you want in addition to extra features that make it so much better. I could not live without all the features CyanogenMod offers; they have become so useful and convenient that it would be hard to stick with stock Android. For example, customizable notification LED, screen off music controls, tweakable lock screen, modifying quick setting toggles, expanded desktop, call blacklist etc.
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I think custom ROMs and kernels are the only way to go.
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I Am Marino said:
I think custom ROMs and kernels are the only way to go.
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This. I mean Google does a good job already with the stock ROM/Kernel (way better than OEM's and their skinned garbage and slow updates), but custom Kernels and ROMs take it further.
Stock on a Nexus? I don't know why anyone would miss out on all that custom loveliness.
At the very least unlock the boot loader and root it as soon as you get it to save the bother later of backing up all your data.
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I did it specifically for LTE. The customizations are just a nice bonus.
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The Nexus devices are the ones which made more sense to get Custom ROMS, because they are open source.
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The Nexus devices are the ones which made more sense to get Custom ROMS, because they are open source.
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Most would argue that OEM skinned devices make more sense to have custom ROM's/Kernels due to all the bloatware typically installed, and lack of quick system updates. Nexus devices in-particular have a clean stock Android experience, and fast updates straight from Google.
Custom ROM's and Kernels just happen to be far easier on Nexus devices since they're AOSP supported and have Kernel sources directly available.
You must be a Happy Flasher to enjoy this developer device!
The full screen mode might be worth the jump. Didn't know stock didn't have the feature. I've seen a little bit of that PIE controls thing. Not sure if it's actually that user friendly, but I might give PA a shot.
My only gripe is with the fact that, since the rumored 4.3 is around the corner, I might have to go through the process of putting stock back for the OTA update. If it's coming by next month, I might just keep it stock anyway.
Either way, thanks for your replies! Appreciate it.. My previous phone's threads weren't anywhere as active as it is on here
Looking forward to my nexus! (Getting it in less than a week now!)
Since day one, I installed cyanogenmod on my flo. I also have a nexus 4 with the same setup.
The main pros of cyanogenmod are profiles and incorporated usb otg.
Lately I have been experiencing a couple of issues that seem have no solution, or I'm the only one experiencing them.
Now, I'd like to know what is most people running on their Nexus, regardless of model.
I'm even thinking about rooted stock with xposed. I don't see many advantages on roms, and cyanogenmod and it's profiles are useless for me on this device.
So, what's your advice?
Thanks.
On my Nexus 5 I use Rastakat Rastaboost and on my Nexus 7 I run Rastakat as well. I'm not saying either is better, you need to find what works for you. I had many problems with other roms especially on the grouper but Rastakat has yet to fail me.
On my grouper, Paranoid Android.
CM & Titanium were incompatible on my N7 and my SGS4. Hyperdrive on my s4.
Carbon rom is working well for me atm.
I've also run paranoid android and paranoid saberdroid quite happily. Each has its own feel/look but carbon and niva launcher feels lighter for me.
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Since day one, I installed cyanogenmod on my flo. I also have a nexus 4 with the same setup.
The main pros of cyanogenmod are profiles and incorporated usb otg.
Lately I have been experiencing a couple of issues that seem have no solution, or I'm the only one experiencing them.
Now, I'd like to know what is most people running on their Nexus, regardless of model.
I'm even thinking about rooted stock with xposed. I don't see many advantages on roms, and cyanogenmod and it's profiles are useless for me on this device.
So, what's your advice?
Thanks.
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Hi, GFXi0N...
Rooted stock with xposed (and GravityBox) is (IMHO) a pretty good option. You get all the stability of factory stock AND the additional functionality of most Custom ROMs... Extended Power Down Menu, Configurable Nav. Bar, Configurable Notification Bar, Configurable Quick Settings 'Tiles', Configurable PIE settings. And that's just with GravityBox!!
And it's (relatively) easy to revert back to pure factory stock in the event of an imminent OTA update.
Further, xposed framework modues like GravityBox are APKs, and are installed in much the same way you would sideload any app. Which means they can be easily backed up by Titanium. So in the hugely unlikely event of a seriously buggy release of GravityBox (for example), you can just 'roll back', via Titanium, to the previous release.
Xposed and perhaps a custom kernel, like Franco, work well together, and provide a good middle ground between pure factory stock and some of the more adventurous (but arguably less reliable) Custom ROMs.
Anyway... just my thoughts...
Good luck in whatever you choose.
Rgrds,
Ged.
GedBlake said:
Hi, GFXi0N...
Rooted stock with xposed (and GravityBox) is (IMHO) a pretty good option. You get all the stability of factory stock AND the additional functionality of most Custom ROMs... Extended Power Down Menu, Configurable Nav. Bar, Configurable Notification Bar, Configurable Quick Settings 'Tiles', Configurable PIE settings. And that's just with GravityBox!!
And it's (relatively) easy to revert back to pure factory stock in the event of an imminent OTA update.
Further, xposed framework modues like GravityBox are APKs, and are installed in much the same way you would sideload any app. Which means they can be easily backed up by Titanium. So in the hugely unlikely event of a seriously buggy release of GravityBox (for example), you can just 'roll back', via Titanium, to the previous release.
Xposed and perhaps a custom kernel, like Franco, work well together, and provide a good middle ground between pure factory stock and some of the more adventurous (but arguably less reliable) Custom ROMs.
Anyway... just my thoughts...
Good luck in whatever you choose.
Rgrds,
Ged.
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This is the kind of advice I was looking for. A lot of kernel dev even use stock rooted, they don't want complications. I grew a bit tired of every rom out there. Some of them have few active developers, some others lack some features, and some others, like cyanogenmod, has a couple of things i don't like, like cyanogenmod account, and a couple of extra apk that I don't use. Then comes the compatibility problems that, at least, you find using cyanogenmod on nexus 4.
I think i will try stock rooted with xposed. There is a lot of intensive development in that area and you can get the best of every rom, enable whichever feature you want and keep the system stable at the same time.
Thank you very much.
Hey everyone. After noticing that Moto X Style (Pure) is getting a lot of new ROM's of different base I am starting to be curious .
What is the best advantages and disadvantages of all bases: stock, CyanogenMod, AOSP, AOKP?
I will try to flash some of them, but right now I don't have time to experiment, so I created thread for this question.
Earlier I was Samsung Galaxy S3 proud owner, but after experience with TouchLAG, ou sorry, TouchWiz, I tried a lot of bases, but the main disadvantage of all but stock ROM's was that all "drivers" for my device was gone! - camera quality and speed, audio loudness and quality, screen colours, battery life, and other features was gone. Also battery life on outher ROM's is not so good, and a lot of bluetooth wakelocks was coming to. The main advantage of custom ROM's was speed and ability to modify everything!
So now, I am looking for answer, what will I loose after installing custom ROM to my device.
1) I suppose that Moto features like moto display and all gesture controls will be gone? But is it possible to add ambient display to work with IR sensors of Moto?
2) After my Galaxy S3 experience, I am curious will I loose my camera quality, audio, and other? Will it loose some of its juice?
I am TruPureXMM and Frakenclark user with Xposed (GravityBox) and other stuff, so basically I have all functions that I want, but, maybe with custom ROMS its possible to gain some battery life and some perfomance.
Feel free to write comments, I want to know what is your experience with custom ROM's, what did you like, what not!
I have had many phones starting back with Windows phones. With my Moto G4, I find that I can use apps with my rom and get almost all features of custom.
I use Xposed:, Gravity Box(GB), Battery Home, Xposed Torch, Boot Manager and Native Clipboard. I use Nova Launcher too. Battery life is excellent. Phone is responsive. I don't think a deodexed custom rom would do better. PIE is available with GB but I never use it.
I was thinking of trying CM 14. I tried Nougat on other device and, in my use, it has no meaningful advantages. I'm blocking updates to the MM rom. I'll wait a while to see what others might find.
I'm not a gamer. I would describe my camera skill as a snap shooter. Rarely do video. Have Snap Camera but haven't had patience learn it.
Unless Lenovo gets a much larger user base, I don't think that many custom roms will be done for this phone.
Yeah. With a clean enough android that is supplied with the phone, after flashing the stuff you mentioned, it gives a stable and smooth experience.
Unless you actually want to try the latest development I too don't see the need to flash every custom ROM out there.
Yeah ROM based on stock are distributed as well( intact I might try something myself after stable nougat comes) and it will be my go back to ROM. I'm pretty happy with unmodified CM myself.
Regarding the development side I think its happening fast enough recently with new builds coming online almost every week. Give it time we'll get more(I hope).
I have unlocked my bootloader, rooted with Magisk and flashed AsopExtended Rom. Very happy with the performance of my A2017U as it is right now. My question to ya'll is, What would be the pros and cons of returning to complete stock (for OTA updates) or sticking with rooted and custom rom and not being able to receive OTA updates?
whats the question here? Its on you... what you prefer
Lol that depends of your needs - I stick to stock because of audio (mostly) and somehow bcz of camera (as far as I know you can install stock camera app).
That's question is a little bit irrevelant when you was stock and now you are testing custom rom.
So the answer is simply - replay to your question by yourself and with margin to your needs.
Had to test the waters with custom roms on this phone, but was just wanting to hear other peoples thoughts on the subject. I've always tinkered with customizing my phones and enjoy doing so. Would like to hear different points of view and then see if it would make me change my mind. Sometimes custom roms have little bugs that people can or can't live with, and in some cases stock is best for total functionality. Just curious of others opinions.....
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Had to test the waters with custom roms on this phone, but was just wanting to hear other peoples thoughts on the subject. I've always tinkered with customizing my phones and enjoy doing so. Would like to hear different points of view and then see if it would make me change my mind. Sometimes custom roms have little bugs that people can or can't live with, and in some cases stock is best for total functionality. Just curious of others opinions.....
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IMHO custom ROMs are littered with bugs, but mostly overlookable. Take the phone bug or storage with SD card bug for example.
Stock works better in every regard (except substratum, damn you mifavor) and with MiFavor 5 this is even truer. But if you like your current ROM there's no reason to go back...
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IMHO custom ROMs are littered with bugs, but mostly overlookable. Take the phone bug or storage with SD card bug for example.
Stock works better in every regard (except substratum, damn you mifavor) and with MiFavor 5 this is even truer. But if you like your current ROM there's no reason to go back...
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Yeah, I finally went back to stock B25 via the DrakenFx method to retain root and custom recovery. I came across the phone bug on my custom rom and that helped me make my decision to go back to a stock rom.....
Yep, used custom ROMs from the first week of owning the phone until about a month ago when I went back to B25 with Magisk. Couldn't be happier.
I was about to make a similar thread myself but saw this one. I have been running custom roms since day one but have been considering returning to stock.
A brief summary of the benefits:
Reasons to go with stock:
Fully functional ZTE camera app with no bugs - This is perhaps more important than you might think, ZTE haven't enabled the Camera 2 API which means its very possible we are going to get the best quality and feature-set by sticking with the stock app. If ZTE haven't released their blobs there could very well be reasons to stick with the default camera app...not only that but I like it. You can install the mod, but there are aspects that will never work and some roms and kernels play more nicely with the mod than others.
Dolby Atmos app. Similar to the camera on stock this would just mean less messing about, you can of course get atmos mods in magisk but whether they work as well as the stock ZTE app I am not sure. The strange thing is I have never had the stock ZTE Axon atmos magisk mod to work on a custom rom, even though I have an Axon!
Reliability, no need to worry about force closes or apps not working, everything pretty much just works. So much less stress if you use your phone as a daily driver.
Ease of use, less features makes the phone easier to use. In some cases even when you are a tinkerer like me its sometimes good to be able to forget about continuously tweaking stuff and digging yourself in to a never ending upgrade cycle.
Oreo, it looks like if you stay stock we will see Oreo sooner than custom roms.
Reasons to go custom:
Substratum, oh boy would I miss this going back to stock. The ZTE theme engine is pants compared and I love the work that goes in to my current premium theme.
Battery life, perhaps with the aid of also a custom kernel there are some very nice roms and kernels being worked on which allow you to fully customise and save battery life.
Features, you can set the phone up exactly as you want too, every small detail can be customised. You can choose exactly which rom you like based on the features you use.
Performance, you can get more performance out of a custom rom with custom kernel and find a nicer balance between battery and performance, whichever suits you.
Fun, its fun to flash different roms and get the flashing bug. You learn a lot and get to join in with a fantastic community where people help each other.
Third option, run a debloated custom rom.
Seems to be more and more popular, as an ex Nexus 5 user I loved Cataclysm rom for this very reason. You keep all the features associated with stock with added performance benefits, fixes and less bloat. There is a downside if you plan on keeping atmos as some stock roms seem to strip it away, but it is a nice compromise between the options above. Usually these roms are more reliable as they are based on stock too. If you want a lean rom that just works, this may suit you!
Its such a hard choice and one I still havent decided on, if I have missed anything please let me know!
Background info and summary:
My first smartphone was a ZTE blade 2 and it was a beast for the money, this phone is tremendous too. My GF owns a pixel and apart from the camera this phone trumps it for value no question...for less than half the price.
I have to say though, I do miss the days of my Nexus 5 and the larger mod community, I realise these days have gone now with google devices but perhaps next time I will opt to go to Oneplus just so I can trust a bit more that there will be less caveats going custom as if there is one complaint I have with ZTE it is their unwillingness to release their source code for the little tiny things like the camera api and atmos.
Dodgexander said:
I was about to make a similar thread myself but saw this one. I have been running custom roms since day one but have been considering returning to stock.
A brief summary of the benefits:
Reasons to go with stock:
Fully functional ZTE camera app with no bugs - This is perhaps more important than you might think, ZTE haven't enabled the Camera 2 API which means its very possible we are going to get the best quality and feature-set by sticking with the stock app. If ZTE haven't released their blobs there could very well be reasons to stick with the default camera app...not only that but I like it. You can install the mod, but there are aspects that will never work and some roms and kernels play more nicely with the mod than others.
Dolby Atmos app. Similar to the camera on stock this would just mean less messing about, you can of course get atmos mods in magisk but whether they work as well as the stock ZTE app I am not sure. The strange thing is I have never had the stock ZTE Axon atmos magisk mod to work on a custom rom, even though I have an Axon!
Reliability, no need to worry about force closes or apps not working, everything pretty much just works. So much less stress if you use your phone as a daily driver.
Ease of use, less features makes the phone easier to use. In some cases even when you are a tinkerer like me its sometimes good to be able to forget about continuously tweaking stuff and digging yourself in to a never ending upgrade cycle.
Oreo, it looks like if you stay stock we will see Oreo sooner than custom roms.
Reasons to go custom:
Substratum, oh boy would I miss this going back to stock. The ZTE theme engine is pants compared and I love the work that goes in to my current premium theme.
Battery life, perhaps with the aid of also a custom kernel there are some very nice roms and kernels being worked on which allow you to fully customise and save battery life.
Features, you can set the phone up exactly as you want too, every small detail can be customised. You can choose exactly which rom you like based on the features you use.
Performance, you can get more performance out of a custom rom with custom kernel and find a nicer balance between battery and performance, whichever suits you.
Fun, its fun to flash different roms and get the flashing bug. You learn a lot and get to join in with a fantastic community where people help each other.
Third option, run a debloated custom rom.
Seems to be more and more popular, as an ex Nexus 5 user I loved Cataclysm rom for this very reason. You keep all the features associated with stock with added performance benefits, fixes and less bloat. There is a downside if you plan on keeping atmos as some stock roms seem to strip it away, but it is a nice compromise between the options above. Usually these roms are more reliable as they are based on stock too. If you want a lean rom that just works, this may suit you!
Its such a hard choice and one I still havent decided on, if I have missed anything please let me know!
Background info and summary:
My first smartphone was a ZTE blade 2 and it was a beast for the money, this phone is tremendous too. My GF owns a pixel and apart from the camera this phone trumps it for value no question...for less than half the price.
I have to say though, I do miss the days of my Nexus 5 and the larger mod community, I realise these days have gone now with google devices but perhaps next time I will opt to go to Oneplus just so I can trust a bit more that there will be less caveats going custom as if there is one complaint I have with ZTE it is their unwillingness to release their source code for the little tiny things like the camera api and atmos.
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Some comments about this:
-Stock still has RRO support, so while it is kinda craptastic to use substratum this way, it is doable. I have most of my apps with Swift Dark (the ones that don't force close anyways) and Lawnchair with black theme, on MiFavor 5 which already has a rather black quick settings screen. The result is awesome
While you might be getting more battery life from a custom ROM, I totally disagree on the performance part. Everything works just slower. But yeah, battery-wise I got 7h SOT once which is absolutely bonkers :silly:
If you want a nice modded stock try any MiFavor 5 modded ROM like RDX or ADM Team. Those keep Atmos and use MiFavor 5 B13, which seemingly have a new camera app?
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Some comments about this:
-Stock still has RRO support, so while it is kinda craptastic to use substratum this way, it is doable. I have most of my apps with Swift Dark (the ones that don't force close anyways) and Lawnchair with black theme, on MiFavor 5 which already has a rather black quick settings screen. The result is awesome
While you might be getting more battery life from a custom ROM, I totally disagree on the performance part. Everything works just slower. But yeah, battery-wise I got 7h SOT once which is absolutely bonkers :silly:
If you want a nice modded stock try any MiFavor 5 modded ROM like RDX or ADM Team. Those keep Atmos and use MiFavor 5 B13, which seemingly have a new camera app?
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Thanks I will give ADM a try first since RDX seems to exclusively for the A2017 and I own the A2017U.
Frankly when I saw substratum without OMS support before I wasn't impressed but it sounds like it's worth a look.
Performance wise I loved running AOKP. It runs so much faster than resurrection remix and faster than my brief time on stock also.
It's a pain sacrifices have to made somewhere, but I guess you can't argue for the money!
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Thanks I will give ADM a try first since RDX seems to exclusively for the A2017 and I own the A2017U.
Frankly when I saw substratum without OMS support before I wasn't impressed but it sounds like it's worth a look.
Performance wise I loved running AOKP. It runs so much faster than resurrection remix and faster than my brief time on stock also.
It's a pain sacrifices have to made somewhere, but I guess you can't argue for the money!
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I think you simply have to flash the univ bootstack and your modem file to install RDX, it just wasn't tested on other phones but the A2017. but yeah, just use ADM Team
If we don't get Oreo, I will root mine, debloat etc and unroot just to keep it stock but lean. Stock camera in Nougat is quite good IMO. Atmos is pants but I will leave it alone.
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If we don't get Oreo, I will root mine, debloat etc and unroot just to keep it stock but lean. Stock camera in Nougat is quite good IMO. Atmos is pants but I will leave it alone.
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what's the downside of having it rooted?
Some apps don't work and it has to be secure for work use.
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Some apps don't work and it has to be secure for work use.
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Magisk then...
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Some comments about this:
-Stock still has RRO support, so while it is kinda craptastic to use substratum this way, it is doable. I have most of my apps with Swift Dark (the ones that don't force close anyways) and Lawnchair with black theme, on MiFavor 5 which already has a rather black quick settings screen. The result is awesome
While you might be getting more battery life from a custom ROM, I totally disagree on the performance part. Everything works just slower. But yeah, battery-wise I got 7h SOT once which is absolutely bonkers :silly:
If you want a nice modded stock try any MiFavor 5 modded ROM like RDX or ADM Team. Those keep Atmos and use MiFavor 5 B13, which seemingly have a new camera app?
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Just installed adm rom and substratum but can't get any themes to work at all. Substratum appears to work and let's me install them but after a reboot they don't work.
I tested with the Google app, gmail and chrome amongst others. I am using swift black.
I guess it's just a bug with the adm Rom? Magisk is working fine I think.
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Just installed adm rom and substratum but can't get any themes to work at all. Substratum appears to work and let's me install them but after a reboot they don't work.
I tested with the Google app, gmail and chrome amongst others. I am using swift black.
I guess it's just a bug with the adm Rom? Magisk is working fine I think.
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It can't be because I had everything themed on ADM ROM too. Except system ui and that stuff since it can't be themed. no idea why that happens.
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It can't be because I had everything themed on ADM ROM too. Except system ui and that stuff since it can't be themed. no idea why that happens.
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Were you using the new release with version 5 of mifavor?
What about systemless host list in magisk enabled to get adaway to work?
Only two things I have changed. I am using A2017U with the b13 bootstack.
Haven't changed anything else so no idea why it isn't working.
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Were you using the new release with version 5 of mifavor?
What about systemless host list in magisk enabled to get adaway to work?
Only two things I have changed. I am using A2017U with the b13 bootstack.
Haven't changed anything else so no idea why it isn't working.
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i was using the old release with version 5 (ADM Team V3)
I would stick with stock unless you are an extreme power user. ZTE fixed 99% of the issues with MiFavor with 7.1.1 and custom ROMs are littered with SO MANY little bugs. MiFavor is extremely stable now. Audio and camera is also much worse on custom.
But hey whatever you prefer.