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There are many apps that keep loading, not only after a Reboot, but even when I use System Monitor to stop all programs, then when I open an app and check System Monitor again, a bunch of apps have relaunched!
This is really annoying, especially when memory is at a premium on the Archos 70 ....
Honestly, I think that is just an Android thing. No idea how to help you except to say it did that on my G1, my Evo, my Epic, my wife's Intercept, the Nook I had on loan, and my Archos 101...
You just have to roll with it I guess...
ExploreMN said:
Honestly, I think that is just an Android thing. No idea how to help you except to say it did that on my G1, my Evo, my Epic, my wife's Intercept, the Nook I had on loan, and my Archos 101...
You just have to roll with it I guess...
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That's pretty much what I figured .... So far, it isn't a serious issue, but is a hassle to have to keep using System Monitor to close out running apps.
I'm still enjoying my Archos 70 Internet Tablet 250GB.
Working on preparing my iTunes music to transfer to my Archos 70 and my son's Archos 20b (his birthday present surprise will be preloaded with some of his favorite music!).
http://www.appbrain.com/app/autostarts/com.elsdoerfer.android.autostarts
but you would need root
vja4Him said:
This is really annoying, especially when memory is at a premium on the Archos 70 ....
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android will clear these apps from memory when needed
you should only worry if these background apps use CPU (and battery) all the time
Something I posted to another forum.
Android uses a method to kill background apps automatically when space is needed in RAM. So effectively it cleans up after itself.
Here is a fairly good explanation of how the system is designed.
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
and
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=android+why+you+don't+need+a+task+killer
Try "autorun" from the market. It can stop some 3rd party apps from starting. No root required.
wdl1908 said:
Something I posted to another forum.
Android uses a method to kill background apps automatically when space is needed in RAM. So effectively it cleans up after itself.
Here is a fairly good explanation of how the system is designed.
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
and
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=android+why+you+don't+need+a+task+killer
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If a task killer is not needed, then why are there task killer apps available for Android?
Should I not be using the System Monitor to kill apps when memory is low?
vja4Him said:
If a task killer is not needed, then why are there task killer apps available for Android?
Should I not be using the System Monitor to kill apps when memory is low?
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Most taskkillers started their life a year (and several Android versions) ago. Back then, Android's memory management was less mature and phone memory was smaller. The improvements that came with Froyo make them obsolete and even troublesome.
When Froyo senses low memory, it will kill stuff. Otherwise, it leaves stuff in memory, operating with the thinking that "unused memory is wasted memory". As new apps open, it kills off older- open apps.
The problem with taskkillers is when the user sets them to automatically start killing stuff. Some apps have the rude behavior of self-restarting. In this case, when the taskkiller kills an app, the app will restart itself, putting it back in memory. Suddenly you have tug-of-war game between the taskkiller & the app. This increases cpu usage and kills your battery faster.
Killing things with the System monitor is alright, because it is a single time action by you. If an app restarts, that is it. There is no ongoing battle.
I do use the Autorun Manager app. It lets you pick apps you want to keep from starting at boot. The nice thing, it tells you if they are self-restarters, if they are there is no need to check them. It is useful to kill the nonrestarters (like the XDA app) that don't really need to be in memory when you first start.
I hope that helps.
vja4Him said:
If a task killer is not needed, then
why are there task killer apps available for Android?
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Because they can.
vja4Him said:
Should I not be using the System Monitor to kill apps when memory is low?
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No.
I'v been running my A101IT for about 3 weeks now without rebooting without killing any app and it works great before i killed some apps every hour and had lots of problems.
wdl1908 said:
Because they can.
No.
I'v been running my A101IT for about 3 weeks now without rebooting without killing any app and it works great before i killed some apps every hour and had lots of problems.
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I stopped killing apps, and now my Archos 70 is running much smoother! I watched a video about someone using their Archos, claiming that the apps need to be loaded, in order to keep things cached, which helps the Archos apps run smoother, with fewer glitches.
My Archos runs less choppy now, but still a few glitches here and there.
I'm still very pleased with this 7-inch tablet! Took it out for a test run while riding my Surly Long Haul Trucker around town yesterday -- listening to my music in PowerAmp.
Some apps that kills phone with high ram usage and causes lag on high end games.
-Facebook (Sometimes consuming 60mb of ram!)
-Whatsapp
-Viber
-Twitter
-Google Maps
-Poweramp (Headphone button service)
-Facebook Messenger
-Hotmail SEVEN
-Vitamio
-Tango
-Rom Manager
-Rom Toolbox
-Script manager
-Voice Search (Google)
-Go weather
-Beautiful Widgets
-Fancy Widgets
-Accuweather & Accuweather quick
-Photofunia (I saw this on terminal with ps command)
-Go keyboard (Ram hog and has 3 background services + connecting internet)
-Blood & Glory (Push service)
-Gun Bros (Push service)
-Eternity Warriors (Push service)
-GT Racing (Push service)
-Go launcher (Sometimes using main memory + cached memory too much ram for a basic launcher)
-Norton security (useless)
-AVG (useless)
-Evernote
-Cach notes (3 services)
-Battery indicator & widget (and apps like that)
-Go!Chat for Facebook
-Google Goggles (Starts on boot) (Saw on terminal)
-Volume Control +
-Magic Locker
-Milocker
-Agile Lock
More apps will be added in next days.
Tips.
-Most of glu mobile games have push service. Go game settings to turn off it.
-Don't use much widgets and folders. If possible just use search or nothing.
-Use agressive LMK settings but not much. If you use more than 80mb lmk settings, all processes will be killed during playing, but they will restart again and will be killed again again again. This will fall into loop. This will cause cpu overhead.
-Don't use EXT4. Because ext4 has more cpu overheads which causes micro lags on games.
-Turn off background data during play. Or contact sync, calendar storage, gmail and more services will use cpu and will cause micro lags.
-Delete most of bloatware and take more ram. You can use my list.
-Don't use livewallpapers.
-Use zipalign script.
-If you're not interest with 720p video recording use a bigmem kernel.
-Overclock more than 1200+ mhz with tegrak overclock app.
-Change your CPU governor with voltage control app to ondemand or smartass for games.
More tips will be added when I remember more. I hope this will help you.
Now a safelist to replace apps.
Keyboard
Use this ICS keyboard with 4-8 mb ram.
But don't use this ICS KEYBOARD which consuming 24 mb ram.
Launcher
I highly recommend using ADW Launcher EX. You can combine it with ICS theme. Generally my launcher consuming 9-13 mb ram with 4 shortcuts and search widget + this theme.
But don't use SPB Shell 3D, Go launcher or Regina launcher or ADW free.
Thank you, I' ll keep attention on this!
Kinda sucks when Facebook consumes so much RAM. The devs really know what they are doing... /sarcasm
ohy1994 said:
Kinda sucks when Facebook consumes so much RAM. The devs really know what they are doing... /sarcasm
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Useless app. I'm using imo beta for facebook chat or google talk.
What about zeam launcher? Is it a good replacement?
sefira said:
What about zeam launcher? Is it a good replacement?
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Zeam hogs too much memory with last update. Still not bad.
Thanks, I will still stick with it though, for its simplicity.
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sefira said:
Thanks, I will still stick with it though, for its simplicity.
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Zeam is best launcher on ICS for me. Looks so sweet and fast + HW accelerated. You can stick with it long term.
ohy1994 said:
Kinda sucks when Facebook consumes so much RAM. The devs really know what they are doing... /sarcasm
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I freeze facebook via titanium backup, and unfreeze before use, helps a lot. JVU seems to use a lot less memory (than JVT)
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Titanium backup is always on ram too.
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You can kill Titanium backup background process, it will then no longer consume memory
With JVU, If I kill everything, I have about 190Mb free RAM. I used to only have about 165Mb free on JVT.
gsw5700 said:
You can kill Titanium backup background process, it will then no longer consume memory
With JVU, If I kill everything, I have about 190Mb free RAM. I used to only have about 165Mb free on JVT.
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http://youtu.be/o5PHLnPc3VM?t=2m59s
Nice topic... But where are listed "friendly replacements"?
Thanks for the list. How can I track what apps are silently eating away my free ram? Despite following both your lists I only have 114mb free after a reboot.
I'm using LauncherPro and its only using 11mb with 8 folders, some app shortcuts and no widgets.
AlexandreT said:
Thanks for the list. How can I track what apps are silently eating away my free ram? Despite following both your lists I only have 114mb free after a reboot.
I'm using LauncherPro and its only using 11mb with 8 folders, some app shortcuts and no widgets.
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Download terminal and use "ps" command
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First of all thank you for starting this thread, great idea!
On topic; THE FACEBOOK APP IS SO BAD.Its a RAM hog, a battery hog.. everything!
I removed the Facebook app about a month ago and have been using the web version instead, its actually better than the app itself(no FCs and crashes). Also you'll save RAM and battery.
I support you project.. the SGS is a great gaming device, its just badly written apps (and some poor RAM management by Android) that are using our phones power thats causing some lag !
gsw5700 said:
You can kill Titanium backup background process, it will then no longer consume memory
With JVU, If I kill everything, I have about 190Mb free RAM. I used to only have about 165Mb free on JVT.
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What happens if you try to freeze Titanium backup in the program? LOL I hope it's smart enough not to let you, not going to try it myself.
Interesting to hear about memory in JVU. It seems my phone always has about 190MB available when I first start it but then this inevitably withers down to about 120MB over a week or so depending on what I am doing.
I don't know enough about android memory management to know whether this is really significant (or will the OS just clear the memory if it needs it anyways?) but it sure does seem like heavier games are way happier right after a reboot in my limited experience.
haloimplant said:
What happens if you try to freeze Titanium backup in the program? LOL I hope it's smart enough not to let you, not going to try it myself.
Interesting to hear about memory in JVU. It seems my phone always has about 190MB available when I first start it but then this inevitably withers down to about 120MB over a week or so depending on what I am doing.
I don't know enough about android memory management to know whether this is really significant (or will the OS just clear the memory if it needs it anyways?) but it sure does seem like heavier games are way happier right after a reboot in my limited experience.
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Close android core apps and close settings at last. And look at task manager.
1.2 Flashed ,, Language problem has not fixed yet.
I stopped using the facebook app some time ago and switched to the mobile website.
I recently installed "Friendcaster". It's an alternative facebook app. If you disable the notification functionality it doesn't run in the background when you close it
I looked at my free RAM and out of 1 GB I only have around 350 mb free!
That and I disabled ALL widgets!
I looked at running apps with advanced task manager and there is all of this crapware like Pulse etc running. I cleared memory and got some back but not much. As soon as I turn the tab back on all of the junk comes back and drains my battery 10% overnight with wifi OFF on a wifi only tab.
It is ridiculous to only have less than half of my RAM available. On my phone I lost half of that to bloat too. I bet if this tab had 2GB of RAM they would fill 1.75 GB with crap.
What gives? Why do they insist on doing this and not letting ME choose what I want running on MY tablet? Can I get rid of or freeze all of this junk?
They are just cached and automatically freed up when an application needs more RAM. But I do agree that Andriod does a very aggressive caching even on apps never used. Why not remove it with TB?
Free ram has no purpose. It will take and free RAM as it sees fit. If you force it to use less ran, it will run slower. Let it manage the ram itself, this is how Unix has worked since the start and it's working perfectly fine.
TarjeiB said:
Free ram has no purpose. It will take and free RAM as it sees fit. If you force it to use less ran, it will run slower. Let it manage the ram itself, this is how Unix has worked since the start and it's working perfectly fine.
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+ 1 on this. It's seriously easy to get a bit neurotic about system resources. If your tab is running fine just enjoy it and don't sweat the numbers.
TarjeiB said:
Free ram has no purpose. It will take and free RAM as it sees fit. If you force it to use less ran, it will run slower. Let it manage the ram itself, this is how Unix has worked since the start and it's working perfectly fine.
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Yeah but I don't need Pulse, buddies now, family locator, Samsung game hub blah blah running and eating up CPU and battery either (as well as internal flash memory). I will never use that crap so I might as well get it gone. I am not sure why it opens stuff up that I never use or never have.
Is there a list somewhere on what can be nixed and what can't?
I would like to bring this thread up again.
I do have the same problem as DaveC1964.
All I want is a "clean looking" tablet without Google+, Pulse, SocialHub,GameHub etc.
I also hate that those apps connect to the web. I know you can disable that, but I want them gone.
I only use the internet browser, youtube and pdf app.
How do I uninstall those preinstalled annoyences?
Is there a way to do this without a custom ROM?
Thank you
you'll need to root your tab and use titanium back to remove the bloatware. be careful with what you remove though as it may affect other apps. always make a backup.
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Best you initially just freeze the offending apps with Titanium Backup instead of uninstalling/deleting them right away - that way you can always re-enable them if your system should become unstable or start acting up.
freewilli said:
I would like to bring this thread up again.
I do have the same problem as DaveC1964.
All I want is a "clean looking" tablet without Google+, Pulse, SocialHub,GameHub etc.
I also hate that those apps connect to the web. I know you can disable that, but I want them gone.
I only use the internet browser, youtube and pdf app.
How do I uninstall those preinstalled annoyences?
Is there a way to do this without a custom ROM?
Thank you
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As long as you do not run the apps and dosen't setup accounts they are not accessing the web i think.
I love Pulse!
Thank you for your answers.
I am going to root my tab and use titanium backup afterwards.
Startup Manager
you can easily sort out all the bloatware, unneeded startup apps and make your tab fast I've tested it does a great job
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...DEsImltb2JsaWZlLnN0YXJ0dXBtYW5hZ2VyLmZ1bGwiXQ..
Hi there, what app you have tried? i mean apps like Greenify.. will those work and what you recommend? i just thinking that if there is some other good apps like greenify? even better or?
thanks a lot
Vihru said:
Hi there, what app you have tried? i mean apps like Greenify.. will those work and what you recommend? i just thinking that if there is some other good apps like greenify? even better or?
thanks a lot
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Greenify is more than enough.
Remember to dont use stupid task killer, because they close the apps in memory but after some seconds/minutes or at an event they come back in ram, so it generates a loop kill-open-kill-open. An application has not the permission to force stop another app without root permission or administrator permession(in setting), so most of apps in play store are unless...
Use greenify and hibernate all applications you want, remember that system applications has more permissions so greenify can close them but they may restart, like general task killer, so it is better to dont hibernate system apps and synced apps...
That's all
Dont destroy your smartphone installing thousand of task killer (or sh!t like "clean master").
That's my opinion
4Freedom said:
Greenify is more than enough.
Remember to dont use stupid task killer, because they close the apps in memory but after some seconds/minutes or at an event they come back in ram, so it generates a loop kill-open-kill-open. An application has not the permission to force stop another app without root permission or administrator permession(in setting), so most of apps in play store are unless...
Use greenify and hibernate all applications you want, remember that system applications has more permissions so greenify can close them but they may restart, like general task killer, so it is better to dont hibernate system apps and synced apps...
That's all
Dont destroy your smartphone installing thousand of task killer (or sh!t like "clean master").
That's my opinion
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That i wanted to hear. Thanks a lot.
Had my S7 Edge for just over a week and absolutely love the phone.
However, gaming is a massive disappointment. Real Racing 3 is often stuttering to the point where it is unplayable.
Fortunately I know why; the RAM usage is hovering around 70-80% seemingly not leaving enough for the game.
Once I close a handful of running apps, the game is smooth for about 2 minutes which is when the apps restart.
Some of the most common apps continuously running/restarting:
Chrome
Word
One Drive
360 Security
Internet (can't delete)
Weather (can't delete)
+ loads of default apps which I am not familiar with. Btw - my phone was not infested with lots of bloatware.
I could delete more apps, but I installed them because I need them. Surely that defeats the point of the phone.
Many apps are advertised as being able to shut down unwanted stuff, but there is no option to permanently disable system apps or event prevent user installed apps restarting. Is rooting the phone my only option?
What version do you have? I have G935F and RR3 is running like a dream on mine with multiple apps open/in ram
I have the same version. How much ram to you usually have free?
Haven't encountered that issue during my usage of the S7 edge, so it could be a software issue. In case you want to disable unwanted apps without rooting, you can try the Debloater tool. Basically, it disables apps, so that they won't run in the background or be accessible at all - it removes them from the app drawer too. You'd have to be careful if there are some services you actually use and don't want to disable them inadvertedly.
Which update is running on your s7?
I have usually 1.6gb ram free before I start playing games...during game play it drops to 1gb ram free....baseband is G935FXXU1APD9. Got the update a week ago
termdj said:
I have usually 1.6gb ram free before I start playing games...during game play it drops to 1gb ram free....baseband is G935FXXU1APD9. Got the update a week ago
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Sounds promising. My baseband is G935FXXU1APD1. What exactly does this new update do? There is not description of it for some reason:
https://samsung-firmware.org/download/Galaxy-S7-edge/7u3f/XFA/G935FXXU1APDH/G935FOJV1APD8/
Uninstall 360 Security ASAP. It's known to be adware, and the app in general is complete garbage. Why on earth would you install it? Don't install any anti virus crap.
Also, the latest version of Pushbullet has a bug that rapes the CPU, so uninstall it too for now, if you have it installed.
root and then run the debloat script. job done
termdj said:
I have usually 1.6gb ram free before I start playing games...during game play it drops to 1gb ram free....baseband is G935FXXU1APD9. Got the update a week ago
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J.Biden said:
Uninstall 360 Security ASAP. It's known to be adware, and the app in general is complete garbage. Why on earth would you install it? Don't install any anti virus crap.
Also, the latest version of Pushbullet has a bug that rapes the CPU, so uninstall it too for now, if you have it installed.
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Thought it might be good to have extra security and it was a top rated app. I guess the default antivirus is sufficient - deleted!
To be honest it didn't consume too much ram - even with that uninstalled it still consumes 70+ %
No pushbullet installed.
Got the EZ Package Disabler which seems to be able to get rid of any app - user- or factory installed - so I just need to figure out which ones are safe to get rid of.
Problem is that I need some of the apps - if I could just prevent them from autostarting rather than deleting