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[GUIDE] How to use ODIN for dummies

I didnt find any step-by-step tutorials about this on xda, which is kind of weird and because i have spare time and its 3:19am I decided to make this tutorial
EDIT: If you are coming from eclair, install a froyo ROM and make sure it has a bootloader. Remember, if you cancel an installation that changes your bootloader, or stop it in anyway, you may hardbrick your phone. MAKE SURE YOU DON'T CANCEL OR TRY TO PAUSE THE INSTALLATION, JUST LET IT FLASH SMOOTHLY. use a laptop if you can, just in case an unlucky power surge would stop the flashing process
EDIT2: Here is a good Tutorial video from xda user Tejas Ahobala (if you don't know what he is doing at the start, dont worry. He is doing a factory reset before flashing):
EDIT3: A word from one of the commenters:
VelocityJump said:
Thanks a ton for this guide. I had rooted my phone a couple of months back but wasn't really able to figure out how to use ODIN to install a custom ROM all this while. A few pointers for others noobs...
1. The tip about some custom ROMs requiring a wipe data is important.
2. If you're already using CWM, use the 'shutdown' option and not the 'reboot' option when the phone reboots during the flashing process.
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Here we go...
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Terms and words -->
Flashing ==> means installing a new ROM
ROM ==> is the operating system, any version of modded or un-modded android
Android ==> Google made operating system!!!
ODIN ==> Here, it means the program that you can use to flash ROMs on your phone (the phone im going to use here is samsung galaxy 3)
Soft brick ==> No, not the construction brick, this means you've got no working operating system or you have one but its damaged and you can't use it, so you cant see your homescreen, you only see a boot-loop when it wants to come up. You can view your recovery and boot loader (The download screen) when soft bricked, so you can easily fix this problem by re-flashing.
Hard brick ==> Similar to the construction brick, your phone with little hope of recovery without sending to the samsung base for repairs To avoid hard bricks, open the .TAR file which contains your ROM using winRAR, and check if it contains sbl.bin and boot.bin files or not. If it does contain, and you are nervous or this is your first time flashing etc, simply go and flash Kyrillos' ROM or Kyora ROM instead. (I'm not advertising, just stating a couple of ROMs that I know are safe) these ROMs can only soft brick your phone should the worse happen and there is no chance of hard brick
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Should this guide be followed carefully, nothing harmful can happen to your phone. Yet I wont take responsibility if something happens to your phone.
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Remember to Backup your contacts and apps!
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Stuff to download:
1) ODIN and a .OPS file, found Here, Or alternatively here.
2) The ROM, depending on what ROM you want there are different versions available. check This thread, the kitchens/ stock ROM packs part for stock ROMs, or if you want to try a custom ROM, try any other. I personally use Kyrillos' ROM, or Hillbeast's KyoraROM. Marcellusbe is praised highly by all for giving us the Cyanogenmod.
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1) Extract 'Flash tools.rar'
2) open Odin multi-downloader. This is how it's meant to look like.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
NOTE: Sometimes some random error message with a korean writing pops up. dont worry, it's nothing, just press OK every time you see it
3) Press the OPS button located in the 'Select OPS' section, as shown in the image below. NOTE THAT YOU SHOULD ONLY USE THIS OPS FILE IF YOU HAVE SAMSUNG GALAXY 3. YOU MAY ENCOUNTER SERIOUS PROBLEMS IF YOU USE THIS OPS FILE WITH A DIFFERENT PHONE. (works with i5800 and i5801 as far as I know.)
4) Browse for the 'apollo_0531.ops' that came in the rar file with odin and select it.
5) Tick the One Package option located on the left side of the application.
6) The ROM that you have downloaded should have a .tar extension. If its a .rar file, open it. If it has a .tar file inside it, extract it and use it, but if it has some weird ass stuff in it that only Jesus and Chuck Norris understand the meaning of, you need to use the 'free rar extraction frog' application to turn it into a .tar file. Download it for free from here.
7) The above step was just to confirm if you have the right file, so you dont get any errors. Now just select One Package button that is highlighted in the picture and browse and select the .tar file.
8) Make sure you have ticked everything that I have ticked. Use picture from part 5.
9) Go to your phone. go to Settings->Applications->Development and tick USB debugging if its not already ticked.
10) make sure you have the device drivers, just install Samsung KIES from HERE to make sure you do have the drivers. If the page doesn't show, just Google 'download samsung KIES'
11) turn the phone off, take the USB out, and press volume up, home button (the big fat button in between the menu and back buttons) and the power button together. hold them until you see the 'FORCE UPLOAD BY KEY PRESSING' screen. Now plug the USB back in.
12) Odin will immediately recognize your phone, and there will be a yellow label, like so:
13) Double check that you haven't missed anything.
14) Press start! HERE
15) You will see a blue download screen, saying please don't interrupt. PLEASE DON'T INTERUPT IT!!!!
16) The process will finish and system will reboot one or two times. go have some tea and come back 15 minutes later. You should have the Rom of your desire working on your phone.
NOTE: Some custom ROMs require you to wipe system data and then wipe cache. don't forget to do that! restart phone after wiping the data etc. If you've flashed a custom Rom and the device is showing a stupid triangle with an exclamation mark inside it, dont panic, press the menu button and you will see the menu (This menu is called the recovery menu).
EDIT4: How to flash kernels (on galaxy3/apollo/5800/5801)
METHOD 1==>
1--> you go to the kernel thread and download their kernel. it is to be a .tar file. (eg g3mod.tar)
2--> follow steps 3 to 5 from above tutorial
3--> put phone in download mode (step 11) and connect with usb
4--> in odin, select the 'select as one package file' option and browse for the kernel .TAR file. select it.
5--> check youve done everything. YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE EVERYTHING IN THE TUTORIAL EXCEPT THIS TIME INSTEAD OF USING A ROM YOU'RE USING A KERNEL!!
6--> There is no need for wipe unless otherwise stated by the developer.
7--> congratz man, you got yourself a new kernel!!
OPTIONAL 8--> download setcpu from xda (you can also download off market and pay for it for the donation)
its really usefull, it lets you control how much your phone uses the cpu and you can undervolt the cpu etc, you will find more info on the setcpu thread.
METHOD2==> (Only works for some kernels)
1--> go to the g3mod website and download the .zip version of the kernel. (there is a .tar and .zip)
2--> put the .zip in the root of your sd card
3--> go to recovery mode by either using kyrillos' rom (press & hold power
then choose reboot into recovery) or by turning the phone off and pressing volume up and down and the power button all together. select install .zip from sdcard and then select your .zip you downloaded before.
4--> it will install. no wipe needed unless the dev says so. reboot. HAVE FUN!!
HOW TO FLASH ROMS USING SYSTEM.IMG
1) Download system.img from safe source, preferably provided by dev, or any other trusted member who knows what they are doing.
2) Flash g3mod ROM.
3) Copy the system.img and paste into this path in your sdcard:
sdcard/android/data/g3mod/roms/**there are several folders here, just paste the system.img to the folder that suits the rom's name**
4) Boot into recovery.
5) Go to Multiboot.
6) Select desired ROM.
7) Done
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THE GODDAMNED END.

Very nice

This is nice bro.....

If you can think of any missing tutorials, pm me, ill make some (might even make vid)
dhirend_6d said:
This is nice bro.....
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all it took was about two hours
i may make vids about rooting and stuff as well, but im lazy and i think rudolf already done that, so im too late
the reason i made this was that when i first got my phone, it was february last year and the phone was running the eclair (so it sucked ) an i was being pushed by my friends that why i didnt have foryo and it took me literally something like 7 hours to find a 'followable' guide on flashing the xxjpa or something... anyway i thought having a really noob proof guide will be useful too ppl like me a year ago

nicely written
i was searching for tutorial like this 9 monhs ago and never found it with such detailed description
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Well done!! Good for the newcomers

Nice guide

doneeeee! easy

vol down + home button takes it directly into download mode

eeshlikhith said:
vol down + home button takes it directly into download mode
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yea it does. what is the difference tho?

PersianSphinx said:
yea it does. what is the difference tho?
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Simpler anyway nice guide! Detailed enough for any newbie! When i was new to thid forum i din understand much of all the guides but wif this im sure many more ppl will understand
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Hello there!
I tried to do that, but in the middle of instalation of the room JPX/JP4 it failure.
And now my G3 turn on but don't work. It show a picture of a cellphone and computer and a exclamation point!
I tried to downgrade for 5800L, but odin and kied didn't link with usb.
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Any help?

xicoo ~ said:
Hello there!
I tried to do that, but in the middle of instalation of the room JPX/JP4 it failure.
And now my G3 turn on but don't work. It show a picture of a cellphone and computer and a exclamation point!
I tried to downgrade for 5800L, but odin and kied didn't link with usb.
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Any help?
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Did you cut off the power or do anything that disrupted the flashing process? Tell us what you did explicitly
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Question
Thanks for such a great tutorial.
I have a question.
Does sd card and sim card also needs to be taken out before one start flashing?
Also how long does this procedure take (the flashing process)?
Thanks

gauravgs said:
Thanks for such a great tutorial.
I have a question.
Does sd card and sim card also needs to be taken out before one start flashing?
Also how long does this procedure take (the flashing process)?
Thanks
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Its not necessary. Flashing takes about 3~4min for me for it to boot up
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bscraze said:
Its not necessary. Flashing takes about 3~4min for me for it to boot up
Sent from my GT-I9003 using xda premium
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that's great.. 3~4 mins only. after that will I be able to use my phone in regular mode (making calls and restoring my address book) or I have to configure it?
Thanks

gauravgs said:
that's great.. 3~4 mins only. after that will I be able to use my phone in regular mode (making calls and restoring my address book) or I have to configure it?
Thanks
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after flashing it will work like newly released from factory you can restore and all but depending on if you wiped device after the flasing process you will lose data, thats why i said make a backup of your important stuff before flashing
thnx bscraze for answering peoples questions while i was away

PersianSphinx said:
after flashing it will work like newly released from factory you can restore and all but depending on if you wiped device after the flasing process you will lose data, thats why i said make a backup of your important stuff before flashing
thnx bscraze for answering peoples questions while i was away
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Ok
so should I backup my sdcard contents also on my PC (wipe data will clear both memories sdcard as well as phone's)?
or shall I leave it as it is?
I use titanium backup. Backed up all the user apps using it.
Thanks

[HELP] Cannot boot to recovery

Hi.
Some time I have rooted my d802 using ioroot10 everything was fine, except I was not able to boot to recovery (I don't remember what was exactly an issue, I wasn't bothered as all I needed was root). Now I need recovery to flash custom ROM, and when I tried to reboot in to recovery (by pressing physical buttons, or through reboot options), phone reboots and then it is stuck in fastboot mode, with two lines of text:
[xxxx] Fastboot mode started
[xxxx] udc_start()
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Same when tried to flash different recoveries.
So I have started the process from scratch. I have done factory reset of the phone. Then proceeded with ioroot17 which gave me this:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
but ioroot10 has done the job. Confirmed with root checker.
Then proceeded to flashing recovery again.
I have tried 1_Click_recovery install which have stuck on this screen:
But it supposed to reboot phone to recovery (phone doesn't reboot at all)
then i have followed this guide as I have some experience with adb: http://www.android.gs/install-twrp-recovery-lg-g2/
I have went through all the process just fine, up to last steps were after adb reboot recovery phone reboots, and it is stuck in fastboot with two lines :
[xxxx] Fastboot mode started
[xxxx] udc_start()
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Now, WTF? It roots fine (if not to count problems in ioroot17), and flashes recovery fine (i think) it just cant boot in to it.
Aditional info:
Carrier: Three (H3G) (UK carrier)
Build number: JDQ39B
Software Version: D80210b-234-20
Can anybody please help?
I know it is long post, but I wanted to give as much info as I can.
Thanks

Any one? Please...

Well, I have found answer my self, so I will post it here in case someone has the same issues.
For some reason which I very little understand all those scripts for flashing recovery those were referring to location /sdcard/....
While trying to flash recover by terminal method from this post, directly from terminal emulator on the phone, after typing commands using this location I had error message 'no such file or directory'. When to file explorer and found out that my files reside on different path: /storage/sdcard0/
so what I did was to change path in all the commands, and it worked. I have flashed and booted to recovery.
I have still some strange issues because of that, i.e. CWM saves backup under /sdcard/ which is not find-able under normal explorer. Or in new ROM I can find some files from previous, stock ROM i.e. ringtones which are doubled or even tripled. So that gives me some suspicion that not all file from previous ROM were removed even if I have wiped out all data, sdcard, dalvik cache etc.....
This could be a reason why new ROM (CM 11 M2) has such huge battery drain with the screen on. Phone gets really hot.
Maybe with this info someone can understand what the issue is, and help me flash clean ROM on cleared memory. I am not expert but I have rooted and flashed before on phones like HTC DHD, Galaxy s2, Galaxy Nexus, and Nexus 7

hedeon said:
Well, I have found answer my self, so I will post it here in case someone has the same issues.
For some reason which I very little understand all those scripts for flashing recovery those were referring to location /sdcard/....
While trying to flash recover by terminal method from this post, directly from terminal emulator on the phone, after typing commands using this location I had error message 'no such file or directory'. When to file explorer and found out that my files reside on different path: /storage/sdcard0/
so what I did was to change path in all the commands, and it worked. I have flashed and booted to recovery.
I have still some strange issues because of that, i.e. CWM saves backup under /sdcard/ which is not find-able under normal explorer. Or in new ROM I can find some files from previous, stock ROM i.e. ringtones which are doubled or even tripled. So that gives me some suspicion that not all file from previous ROM were removed even if I have wiped out all data, sdcard, dalvik cache etc.....
This could be a reason why new ROM (CM 11 M2) has such huge battery drain with the screen on. Phone gets really hot.
Maybe with this info someone can understand what the issue is, and help me flash clean ROM on cleared memory. I am not expert but I have rooted and flashed before on phones like HTC DHD, Galaxy s2, Galaxy Nexus, and Nexus 7
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I believe CWM saves the backups in the /data/media folder in the root directory, not on the SD card. CWM will not wipe that folder when doing a fatcory reset. You may want to check there to see if there is a ringtones or notifications folder also.

Ronbo19 said:
I believe CWM saves the backups in the /data/media folder in the root directory, not on the SD card. CWM will not wipe that folder when doing a fatcory reset. You may want to check there to see if there is a ringtones or notifications folder also.
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Thanks. Nope, /DATA folder is completely empty

Try the Data/media/0 folder
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tdevaughn said:
Try the Data/media/0 folder
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/DATA is empty. No folders nor files there

Do you have a rom installed? There are a lot of things that get installed in the data folder. Its not possible for it to be empty.
How are you searching for it? Recovery. Or from a file explorer?
Sent from my LG-D800 using Tapatalk

Lets go tried and true
hedeon said:
Well, I have found answer my self, so I will post it here in case someone has the same issues.
For some reason which I very little understand all those scripts for flashing recovery those were referring to location /sdcard/....
While trying to flash recover by terminal method from this post, directly from terminal emulator on the phone, after typing commands using this location I had error message 'no such file or directory'. When to file explorer and found out that my files reside on different path: /storage/sdcard0/
so what I did was to change path in all the commands, and it worked. I have flashed and booted to recovery.
I have still some strange issues because of that, i.e. CWM saves backup under /sdcard/ which is not find-able under normal explorer. Or in new ROM I can find some files from previous, stock ROM i.e. ringtones which are doubled or even tripled. So that gives me some suspicion that not all file from previous ROM were removed even if I have wiped out all data, sdcard, dalvik cache etc.....
This could be a reason why new ROM (CM 11 M2) has such huge battery drain with the screen on. Phone gets really hot.
Maybe with this info someone can understand what the issue is, and help me flash clean ROM on cleared memory. I am not expert but I have rooted and flashed before on phones like HTC DHD, Galaxy s2, Galaxy Nexus, and Nexus 7
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How about we go back to stock or use the LGsupport tool to load LG recovery and get it booting. Then after a bunch of FC's and and error messages the phone will settle and we can backup what ever data is on there. Then we get freegee app load TWRP and reflash the rom of yer liking. Sound good or do you already have resolution?

geosnipe said:
How about we go back to stock or use the LGsupport tool to load LG recovery and get it booting. Then after a bunch of FC's and and error messages the phone will settle and we can backup what ever data is on there. Then we get freegee app load TWRP and reflash the rom of yer liking. Sound good or do you already have resolution?
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Well, I have never said phone was not booting. It is booting just fine.
Yesterday I have boot to recovery and I have pressed almost every possible wipe/format option possible in there. Then I have sideloaded
CM11 Gapps and Radio. Seams to be fine now. I don't know why but it almost looks like my phone was somehow different from other g2's Folder structure was different. For example no /sdcard/android , it was in /storage/sdcard0/android
Although there are still few things bothering me. Memory. Total storage reported is 10.62GB. Phone is 16GB version, from which I would expect about 15GB of usable memory. So where is missing 4GB? Do you people with custom ROMs have the same? anyway to get it back?

hedeon said:
Well, I have never said phone was not booting. It is booting just fine.
Yesterday I have boot to recovery and I have pressed almost every possible wipe/format option possible in there. Then I have sideloaded
CM11 Gapps and Radio. Seams to be fine now. I don't know why but it almost looks like my phone was somehow different from other g2's Folder structure was different. For example no /sdcard/android , it was in /storage/sdcard0/android
Although there are still few things bothering me. Memory. Total storage reported is 10.62GB. Phone is 16GB version, from which I would expect about 15GB of usable memory. So where is missing 4GB? Do you people with custom ROMs have the same? anyway to get it back?
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LG has occupied some of the storage (its hidden). Some of it could be caused by your issue. I think LG could have given us the whole 32GB. No way to reclaim with out carrier unlocking keys for the partitions- it sucks! Flashing custom roms definitely gives us advantages, but not without risks. I say flash to stock for proper file structure and then customize again from there. Less likely to encounter more issues in the future

[Q] Bootloop please help -Process system isn't responding

It all started with the plan to root the device Samsung Galaxy Note 3
I had rooted the device using Kingo Android root. This had gone successfully. Then I tried to install some apps which needs root access. I tried an app called EFS, I though I would back up EFS and NV_ *, When I clicked on backup NV_* (cant remember the whole name), thats when the problem started. It had been 2 days since I had been trying different things to recover the device.
I went into recovery mode and tried
Clear cache
Then Back up my data and did factory reset
Between boot loops I had the opportunity to uninstalled the EFS app
Then installed twrp and tried this blog http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2471421
eventually, I thought of letting go of my data, so did the format of data
used ODIN to and flashed this ROM from this blog http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540822
Despite all these steps I cannot get it working.
Current phone behaviour
The phone keeps booting again, once the UI of the phone starts, I get a window of 1 min before the phone restarts again. I get a message saying "Process system isn't responding"
I am willing to try anything to get the device functional, if it means to build it from scratch. This is my first time venturing into this side of the world, I would be thankful if you can guide me with the steps to perform a build from scratch, or direct me to a blog where I can do this?

eagle909 said:
It all started with the plan to root the device Samsung Galaxy Note 3
I had rooted the device using Kingo Android root. This had gone successfully. Then I tried to install some apps which needs root access. I tried an app called EFS, I though I would back up EFS and NV_ *, When I clicked on backup NV_* (cant remember the whole name), thats when the problem started. It had been 2 days since I had been trying different things to recover the device.
I went into recovery mode and tried
Clear cache
Then Back up my data and did factory reset
Between boot loops I had the opportunity to uninstalled the EFS app
Then installed twrp and tried this blog http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2471421
eventually, I thought of letting go of my data, so did the format of data
used ODIN to and flashed this ROM from this blog http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540822
Despite all these steps I cannot get it working.
Current phone behaviour
The phone keeps booting again, once the UI of the phone starts, I get a window of 1 min before the phone restarts again. I get a message saying "Process system isn't responding"
I am willing to try anything to get the device functional, if it means to build it from scratch. This is my first time venturing into this side of the world, I would be thankful if you can guide me with the steps to perform a build from scratch, or direct me to a blog where I can do this?
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Flash THIS it'll fix your EFS issues and your bootloop -
Grab CWM/TWRP and flash via Odin
Run that zip from custom recovery
Job done
Stay away from EFS back up apps, they're notoriously unreliable and can brick your device

radicalisto said:
Flash THIS it'll fix your EFS issues and your bootloop -
Grab CWM/TWRP and flash via Odin
Run that zip from custom recovery
Job done
Stay away from EFS back up apps, they're notoriously unreliable and can brick your device
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Sounds like a dumb question but How to I upload this zip file to my phone. Note3 does not come with external SD slot and I am not able to connect the phone through PC either by Kies or ADT, none of them are recognising?
Can I upload this zip file through ODIN? it only accepts .tar or .md5 files?
Any tips?

eagle909 said:
Sounds like a dumb question but How to I upload this zip file to my phone. Note3 does not come with external SD slot and I am not able to connect the phone through PC either by Kies or ADT, none of them are recognising?
Can I upload this zip file through ODIN? it only accepts .tar or .md5 files?
Any tips?
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Ahh, you will need to find an ext SD card, then you'll have to transfer it across via your PC then insert into phone, boot into Recovery and flash it.
Not flashable via Odin atm I'm afraid

eagle909 said:
Sounds like a dumb question but How to I upload this zip file to my phone. Note3 does not come with external SD slot and I am not able to connect the phone through PC either by Kies or ADT, none of them are recognising?
Can I upload this zip file through ODIN? it only accepts .tar or .md5 files?
Any tips?
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Yes it does comes with an ext SD card slot... Beside ur sim card slot. Put that file into it then put into ur phone. Boot into custom recovery and flash it.
Sent from my proudly temaseked +Yankied note 3.

Yeah SD Card slot is above the sim card slot, -- I read it wrong, thought you said -- "it doesn't come with an EXT SD Card"

radicalisto said:
Flash THIS it'll fix your EFS issues and your bootloop -
Grab CWM/TWRP and flash via Odin
Run that zip from custom recovery
Job done
Stay away from EFS back up apps, they're notoriously unreliable and can brick your device
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Yeah SD Card slot is above the sim card slot, -- I read it wrong, thought you said -- "it doesn't come with an EXT SD Card"
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I never knew there was a slot of SD card, else I would have backed up my data thanks!
But this solution didnt work for me. After the install of this script through twrp the phone behavior is unchanged.

Try flashing the stock rom for your phone. Then you can go back and root again....
99% of the time this will fix things...

eagle909 said:
I never knew there was a slot of SD card, else I would have backed up my data thanks!
But this solution didnt work for me. After the install of this script through twrp the phone behavior is unchanged.
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The screenshot of the install. I suspect if there is something wrong with the install?
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
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eagle909 said:
The screenshot of the install. I suspect if there is something wrong with the install?
sorry too big of the picture
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ultramag69 said:
Try flashing the stock rom for your phone. Then you can go back and root again....
99% of the time this will fix things...
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downloading this Rooted Stock ROMs for Note 3 SM-N9005
http://galaxynote3root.com/rooted-stock-roms/

That screenshot looks OK to me. The Mount error is standard in TWRP. Reboot your device and see.. or as posted re flash stock as it pretty much fixes everything
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eagle909 said:
downloading this Rooted Stock ROMs for Note 3 SM-N9005
http://galaxynote3root.com/rooted-stock-roms/
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I have just flashed this ROM and reran the fix, but with out any luck?
The phone keeps rebooting

eagle909 said:
I have just flashed this ROM and reran the fix, but with out any luck?
The phone keeps rebooting
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You haven't flashed a stock rom... That is rooted and so is no longer a stock rom. Go to Sammobile.com to get a pure stock rom...
Just a note for you, whether it says stock is solely reliant on it being NOT tampered with. Rooting a stock rom no longer makes it stock, it is just a description that means no tweaks were applied or bloatware removed...
Remember that the bootloader must match the stock rom. If you are trying to flash a lower version rom onto an MJ3 or higher bootloader you will get bootloops.
The same applies if you have updated to Kitkat rom.

If you haven't updated to 4.4.2, then you should check this[first post]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540822
But this will trip your Knox counter
Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk

I checkout this post and did exactly as described. but the phone rebooting doesnot stop. Also when the phone is turned on I am not able to open Phone option and under settings I am not able to launch status option under about device? Could my EFS is lost/corrupted?
Dahdoul said:
If you haven't updated to 4.4.2, then you should check this[first post]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540822
But this will trip your Knox counter
Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
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eagle909 said:
I checkout this post and did exactly as described. but the phone rebooting doesnot stop. Also when the phone is turned on I am not able to open Phone option and under settings I am not able to launch status option under about device? Could my EFS is lost/corrupted?
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Use This It'll fix it. - You have to install a custom recovery via Odin then flash that fix and you'll be alright, you EFS is warped is all.

I had already tried that fix, but with no luck. I flashed that fix with a lot of combinations like with fresh install of stock rom, with rooted rom etc. No luck
radicalisto said:
Use This It'll fix it. - You have to install a custom recovery via Odin then flash that fix and you'll be alright, you EFS is warped is all.
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eagle909 said:
I had already tried that fix, but with no luck. I flashed that fix with a lot of combinations like with fresh install of stock rom, with rooted rom etc. No luck
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Is the phone bootlooping constantly ? and crashing after around 1minute?

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radicalisto said:
Is the phone bootlooping constantly ? and crashing after around 1minute?
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When you mean "install a custom recovery via Odin", you meant to install something like TWRP to install the zip using recovery mode?
The phone keeps booting again and again, once the UI of the phone starts, I get a window of 1 min before the phone restarts again. I get a message saying "Process system isn't responding" before the phone restarts.

[Q] any rom for gty5363

There does not seem to be any recent onfo on my partner phone, nor very clear if the 5360 rom is compatible
So here is the question. Is there a minimalist rom with equally good battery life. Her phone is much better than my ace
on battery life. but is full of samsung garbage.

bwizz60 said:
There does not seem to be any recent onfo on my partner phone, nor very clear if the 5360 rom is compatible
So here is the question. Is there a minimalist rom with equally good battery life. Her phone is much better than my ace
on battery life. but is full of samsung garbage.
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As far as I'm aware the 5363 is the o2 variant of the 5360
You might be able to just unlock the phone if not already unlocked (use galaxy toolbox) & flash 5360 firmware and use 5360 roms
Anything you do you do at your own risk - neither myself or xda are responsible for damage caused

I have rooted and unlocked phone ready to install reincarnation rom. I can't boot into clockwork recovery as I get the "error in sideload zip 7 message" I have tried installing clockwork from rom manager but still same. Think it is because the GTs 5363 bt number is not recognised.
can I get around this issue? I did a google search and found a cwm clockwork bla bla that seems to work.
but I will wait for any comments/imput before I go ahead

bwizz60 said:
I have rooted and unlocked phone ready to install reincarnation rom. I can't boot into clockwork recovery as I get the "error in sideload zip 7 message" I have tried installing clockwork from rom manager but still same. Think it is because the GTs 5363 bt number is not recognised.
can I get around this issue? I did a google search and found a cwm clockwork bla bla that seems to work.
but I will wait for any comments/imput before I go ahead
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Why would you install cwm from rom manager? It's not supported - please do some searching and some reading else you will damage your device
There are two ways to get cwm on galaxy y
1- Flash temporary cwm zip in stock recovery - see http://d-h.st/u2m
2- Flash a kernel with cwm built in
If neither work on your variant you will need to flash 5360 firmware via odin at your own risk

I thought that I read that the rom manager is the recommended way of flashing CMW? Your supplied link seems to be a windows install file
How do I activate it please.

bwizz60 said:
I thought that I read that the rom manager is the recommended way of flashing CMW? Your supplied link seems to be a windows install file
How do I activate it please.
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Hi.
Here is the CWM link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2649475
Please do some digging first before asking.
Also, ROM Manager is not supported on our phones, so do not use it.

bwizz60 said:
I thought that I read that the rom manager is the recommended way of flashing CMW? Your supplied link seems to be a windows install file
How do I activate it please.
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Don't know what you are clicking on as it's a zip file
Make sure you are clicking on the right download button & not an ad - Install ad blocking software on pc or an app on phone if required
I never post exe files - all my files on dev host are Flashable zips/tars unless otherwise stated
See below Screenshot - Just press the download button as shown in Screenshot
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Also you should take note of what you are reading, where you are reading it & what device it relates to - rom manager has never been a compatible way of flashing cwm on a galaxy y

The reading re my device is quite confusing. but I got the CWM installed thanks. In the interim I have soft bricked the phone. When it boots it still reads gts 5363 in the boot screen. I was expecting it to now read 5360? would it be a good idea to flash a standard 5360 onto the phone via odin .
and maybe work forward from that

bwizz60 said:
The reading re my device is quite confusing. but I got the CWM installed thanks. In the interim I have soft bricked the phone. When it boots it still reads gts 5363 in the boot screen. I was expecting it to now read 5360? would it be a good idea to flash a standard 5360 onto the phone via odin .
and maybe work forward from that
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It would only say 5360 if you flashed 5360 firmware via odin
Iv kept telling you if you want to use 5360 kernels you will probably have to flash 5360 firmware
Feel free to do what you want at your own risk

Sorry bad info on my part I was trying to use CWM via galaxy toolbox. I hit a snag with the CWM as I it was faulty and I could not go back out of the advanced screen. to follow the rom suppliers step by step. Only way out was to reboot, and hence brick

bwizz60 said:
Sorry bad info on my part I was trying to use CWM via galaxy toolbox. I hit a snag with the CWM as I it was faulty and I could not go back out of the advanced screen. to follow the rom suppliers step by step. Only way out was to reboot, and hence brick
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With respect Iv told you both ways to get into cwm
With the temp zip I provided by Flashing in stock rom or by Flashing a kernel with cwm built in
You have chosen to ignore all what I'm telling you & trying to do things in unconventional ways - Therefore I can no longer offer you support
Just flash stock rom via odin

I was using the cwm downloaded from the the link that kindly supplied. I was using galaxy toolbox as suggested by yourself. There is lots of reading on the XDA site !.I am sure it is your prerogative to dismiss me as an idiot but I am an enthusiastic phone tinkerer trying to find my way in an unfamiliar world of new termanology. If you don't have the patience to bear with people such as myself Then again that is your preragative

bwizz60 said:
I was using the cwm downloaded from the the link that kindly supplied. I was using galaxy toolbox as suggested by yourself. There is lots of reading on the XDA site !.I am sure it is your prerogative to dismiss me as an idiot but I am an enthusiastic phone tinkerer trying to find my way in an unfamiliar world of new termanology. If you don't have the patience to bear with people such as myself Then again that is your preragative
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I said to use galaxy toolbox to unlock your phone - ie remove network sim lock if your phone is locked to a specific network
At no point did I say use it to flash cwm
If you can't get into recovery you need to flash stock rom via odin
I do have alot of patience but I find it annoying when people don't read things properly especially when the answers have already been written for them

I do appreciate your help. I am now following the odin info "supplied by yourself on the site"
Ta

bwizz60 said:
I am now following the odin info "supplied by yourself on the site"
Ta
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That sounds sarcastic...
FYI, this Odin info can be found in his signature. It is also a sticky in the Android dev section.
Search, search, search.
bwizz60 said:
I am an enthusiastic phone tinkerer trying to find my way in an unfamiliar world of new termanology. If you don't have the patience to bear with people such as myself Then again that is your preragative
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u wot m8
If you don't know what you're reading when it's filled with seemingly bizarre terminology (we've been at that stage one time or another), you do three things:
1) Read on and/or use Google.
Usually definitions will pop out after a while. If I'm not mistaken there are a few threads outlining terminology definitions and usage.
2) Follow everything that they say. And when I say follow, I mean follow 100%, by the book. Reread the instructions over and over to make sure you are actually doing it right.
3) PM another more well-informed member, and don't be afraid to ask.
As for patience, well...
He has dealt with countless people that were in about the same situation as you: thinking that they knew what they were doing and eventually getting into deep s**t with no way out. He has always tried helped them out. Problem is, some of them simply don't want to listen, even if he was correct (which he most likely was). Even then, he tries his best.
Trust me, he knows what he's doing.
Take a deep breath, reread EVERYTHING on this thread, and restart from square one: stock ROM.
If you're too lazy to find (I hope you're not) here is the link for Odin:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2568853
Risky, but everything here is a risk, isn't it? I rarely hear of 5363 users getting stuck here, so this should be fine.
Good luck.

Why would I be sarcastic? there is volumes of stuff on the site all done by this guy.! I show appeciation of this . I can assure you I do spend hours trying to follow information. Some of the links don't work ,sometimes my Firefox security stops progress . very frustrating at times;.

Thanks Mr Smith, now unbricked. I could not find odin 3.184 "spent over an hour trying" 1.85 worked ok . Phone now wakes up as 5360! If the rom is less bloated than the 02 one .I might leave well alone! Stress level falling!

What he meant was Odin3 v1.84.
But, its nice to see things sorted out with your partner's phone.

I 've had time to have a look at the standard rom Iinstalled. Glad the phone is working etc but I still have not achieved anything .
I still need to get rid of the samsung bundled stuff and be able to use the sd card storage. I am still unable to use CWM 5.0.26 "I get the code 7 error and the phone has re un rooted . Update ,Ive now re rooted it!

bwizz60 said:
I 've had time to have a look at the standard rom Iinstalled. Glad the phone is working etc but I still have not achieved anything .
I still need to get rid of the samsung bundled stuff and be able to use the sd card storage. I am still unable to use CWM 5.0.26 "I get the code 7 error and the phone has re un rooted . Update ,Ive now re rooted it!
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Root phone
Use Link2sd (playstore) to uninstall system apps
Use the temp cwm I posted a few pages back - place on root (not in any folder) of sd card & flash in stock recovery to get to cwm
Or use a custom recovery that has cwm built in eg hells fusion #50 for stock based roms
Can't give you any more support with this as I'm just repeating what Iv already said

Marshmallow 6.0 on a SM-J320FN?

is this possible? i can't seem to find anywhere to download/flash the OS? but i am new to this, so maybe lookingp in the wrong places.
any help gratefully received!

secretmachines said:
is this possible? i can't seem to find anywhere to download/flash the OS? but i am new to this, so maybe lookingp in the wrong places.
any help gratefully received!
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Ok, It seems like you need help!
So J320FN isn't getting Marshmallow, but there are what we call in XDA and anywhere else, Custom ROMS!
Now this practically optimizes your device for better performance, along with a newer version of Android!
When you searched for your device (SM-J320FN) you probably found LineageOS.
LineageOS is a Custom ROM for a big variety of devices.
Now for the J320FN we have LineageOS 13.0 (Marshmallow) and LineageOS 14.1 (Nougat), while have LineageOS 15 (Oreo) in the works thanks to our crew including the Main dev, djeman.
Now to flash Custom ROMS you need a recovery which you flash via Odin.
Then copy the ROM zip to the SD or Device storage.
Boot into recovery by holding VOL. UP+POWER+HOME at boot.
Wipe Dalvik Cache, Cache, Data, Internal Storage (If you put ROM on SD) and System.
Then Flash the ROM with Gapps (Google Apps, Such as Play store...)
Wait and Reboot

Diamond26 said:
Ok, It seems like you need help!
So J320FN isn't getting Marshmallow, but there are what we call in XDA and anywhere else, Custom ROMS!
Now this practically optimizes your device for better performance, along with a newer version of Android!
When you searched for your device (SM-J320FN) you probably found LineageOS.
LineageOS is a Custom ROM for a big variety of devices.
Now for the J320FN we have LineageOS 13.0 (Marshmallow) and LineageOS 14.1 (Nougat), while have LineageOS 15 (Oreo) in the works thanks to our crew including the Main dev, djeman.
Now to flash Custom ROMS you need a recovery which you flash via Odin.
Then copy the ROM zip to the SD or Device storage.
Boot into recovery by holding VOL. UP+POWER+HOME at boot.
Wipe Dalvik Cache, Cache, Data, Internal Storage (If you put ROM on SD) and System.
Then Flash the ROM with Gapps (Google Apps, Such as Play store...)
Wait and Reboot
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thanks so much @Diamond26!
i'd played around with a couple of installations with no joy... but in the process have installed Odin, so am aware of that.
my main reason for wanting to do this, is to be able to access adaptable storage. 8gb device space is a joke! I've installed maybe 2 or 3 apps, but apps can't be updated as it's already out of space (even though 400mb is available)! totally unusable!
i'll try this out... i may be back

secretmachines said:
thanks so much @Diamond26!
i'd played around with a couple of installations with no joy... but in the process have installed Odin, so am aware of that.
my main reason for wanting to do this, is to be able to access adaptable storage. 8gb device space is a joke! I've installed maybe 2 or 3 apps, but apps can't be updated as it's already out of space (even though 400mb is available)! totally unusable!
i'll try this out... i may be back
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My Pleasure :fingers-crossed:

so i think the developer setting was turned off and i started to get the FRP lock problem.
i managed to use Odin to reinstall Android, but it is now stuck in bootloop.
i've installed Kies3 and Smart Switch, but neither recognise the handset (not compatible), so i can't reinstall firmware, etc.
i'm kinda stuck... help!

secretmachines said:
thanks so much @Diamond26!
i'd played around with a couple of installations with no joy... but in the process have installed Odin, so am aware of that.
my main reason for wanting to do this, is to be able to access adaptable storage. 8gb device space is a joke! I've installed maybe 2 or 3 apps, but apps can't be updated as it's already out of space (even though 400mb is available)! totally unusable!
i'll try this out... i may be back
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Im currently on a J320FN with a stock 5.1 rom (manually updated via sammobile) but have instead done the following :
1. Got a good Android kitchen (A bash/shell program that makes creating roms easy as could be) I woukd suggest SuperR's Kitchen due to it being the most updated one. On XDA portal?
2. Downloaded the firmware i want from sammobile.
3. Debloated the rom (option in the kitchen to remove unwanted apps from system/app or system/priv-app) making space.
4. Added Supersu (again the kitchen walks you through all the options for rooting the rom).
5. Added my own apps to run as system (such as adaway or nova launcher to replace TouchWiz)
6. Created the rom and flashed the zip.
Now im on partitioning the system block in order to save 2gb of space i dont need since the new system is 780mb from 1.9gb..
Both ways are good and safe / stable if you are careful, it's just that one provides updates and sources and build threads (LOS) , the other is a great and fun way to learn more about android and rom building plus you get to have it 100% YOUR WAY.. With building your own rom using the kitchen you can even go as far as editing the settings apk to rearrange the options or add ur own... And many more thing to discover...
Good luck no matter what you choose to take from this wonderful community!
Peace

secretmachines said:
thanks so much @Diamond26!
i'd played around with a couple of installations with no joy... but in the process have installed Odin, so am aware of that.
my main reason for wanting to do this, is to be able to access adaptable storage. 8gb device space is a joke! I've installed maybe 2 or 3 apps, but apps can't be updated as it's already out of space (even though 400mb is available)! totally unusable!
i'll try this out... i may be back
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I tried it for the same reason and it turned out to be a mistake. The rom I tried (Lineage 13) is full of display bugs. Now I lost my original firmware and probably voided the warranty. Your best bet is just to move your apps to the SD card instead

idklol123 said:
I tried it for the same reason and it turned out to be a mistake. The rom I tried (Lineage 13) is full of display bugs. Now I lost my original firmware and probably voided the warranty. Your best bet is just to move your apps to the SD card instead
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Your warranty is void, im sure Lineage OS has the appropriate notice about this..
Yiu could seek help about your issue, perhaps there is something along the lines that you missed.. Wiping dalvik and or cache and re trying it could help..You should always do a nandroid backup using twrp or cwm recovery or even Titanium Backup / My Backup Pro. It is something that you should practice since you're messing with any type of software and hard-flashing firmware.
Again, consider a stock rom with root and xposed module, a partitioned system block and deodexed apks..
You can get firmware releases for your country and carrier from sammobile.com anfd flash it via odin. That should give you OTA updates and stock stability...
Peace

Kaiyum said:
Im currently on a J320FN with a stock 5.1 rom (manually updated via sammobile) but have instead done the following :
1. Got a good Android kitchen (A bash/shell program that makes creating roms easy as could be) I woukd suggest SuperR's Kitchen due to it being the most updated one. On XDA portal
2. Downloaded the firmware i want from sammobile.
3. Debloated the rom (option in the kitchen to remove unwanted apps from system/app or system/priv-app) making space.
4. Added Supersu (again the kitchen walks you through all the options for rooting the rom).
5. Added my own apps to run as system (such as adaway or nova launcher to replace TouchWiz)
6. Created the rom and flashed the zip.
Now im on partitioning the system block in order to save 2gb of space i dont need since the new system is 780mb from 1.9gb..
Both ways are good and safe / stable if you are careful, it's just that one provides updates and sources and build threads (LOS) , the other is a great and fun way to learn more about android and rom building plus you get to have it 100% YOUR WAY.. With building your own rom using the kitchen you can even go as far as editing the settings apk to rearrange the options or add ur own... And many more thing to discover...
Good luck no matter what you choose to take from this wonderful community!
Peace
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This is the best thing i heard so far!
I was looking for this. I like the UI of Samsung, and it was stable and fast for me for daily usage. Had some bad experiences with LOS and RR so i was thinking of re-flashing stock, then rooting and then removing system apps. The only issue i have is too little free space. Is the effect same if i do that compared to your method? Can you tell me what happened to your little experiment? How much free space do you have?
Can i flash your modified rom and get it to work on my phone?

hi everyone, sorry to ask again, i seem to be going round in circles! can anyone advise the next step?
- i installed lineageOS ok, but must have accidentally turned off OEM Unlock, so am now getting "Blocked by FRP Lock
- i reinstalled a version of original firmware, but that is getting stuck in bootloop
- i've tried reinstalling original firmware downloaded from sammobile, with Odin, but that fails
- i've installed Kies and Smart Switch on my PC, but both say the handset is not supported, so I can't install firmware that way
what should i try next?

djaneski said:
This is the best thing i heard so far!
I was looking for this. I like the UI of Samsung, and it was stable and fast for me for daily usage. Had some bad experiences with LOS and RR so i was thinking of re-flashing stock, then rooting and then removing system apps. The only issue i have is too little free space. Is the effect same if i do that compared to your method? Can you tell me what happened to your little experiment? How much free space do you have?
Can i flash your modified rom and get it to work on my phone?
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Im sorry im replying so late,given your post i take it you need some help...I wont go big here and tell you i can fix exactly what you want,however i have managed to get it all working besides repartitioning the mmcblk0!
Im out of town during weekends for work but i can possibly have a rom ready for you by Monday night (GMT+2).
I will still recommend you download SuperR's Kitchen (if possible the donate version)and start cooking your own rom,the kitchen provides 100% j3xnlte and j3 variants!
You WILL need to download the firmware i will point you to for the modem but its for better use also,you can run the stock for a while and then flash (mine or your own) the debloated/deknoxed/lighter version.
About the space,i have attached a SS from my Smart Manager..I have magisksu,magisk-xposed,iYTBP,gapps pico + photos,swiftkey replacing Sammy Keyboard and nova launcher replacing TW..FFox,Yahoo Mail,TiBu,Lucky Patcher and Facebook / Messenger...Some i have placed as system apps and others preinstalled as user apps (such as Busybox and Telsa Unread or Adaway that don't work correctly when placed in /system/app)..
Still i have Airdroid moving files locally and have at least 600mb of romzips being moved all the time while flashing....
That 5.1Gigas you see are 100% usable for me because i can swap system and data apps to my liking...also trust me,if you have relationship issues with googke,debloated roms come down to 1/3 of original size...
Let me know what i can help with,have a blasting weekend!
Peace
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secretmachines said:
hi everyone, sorry to ask again, i seem to be going round in circles! can anyone advise the next step?
- i installed lineageOS ok, but must have accidentally turned off OEM Unlock, so am now getting "Blocked by FRP Lock
- i reinstalled a version of original firmware, but that is getting stuck in bootloop
- i've tried reinstalling original firmware downloaded from sammobile, with Odin, but that fails
- i've installed Kies and Smart Switch on my PC, but both say the handset is not supported, so I can't install firmware that way
what should i try next?
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Download TWRP if im not mistaken by djeman and flash that through odin!That passes just make sure to UNTICK auto reboot so you can reboot to recovery after removing battery(or just ignore the unticking if ure d
fast enough to hold vol up + home + pwr while the flash resets)
Wipe system,dalvik,cache,data and reboot...
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My gf got this phone for Christmas, it's 2017 why are (many) retailers selling a phone that is still on Android 5.1?..