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OBB data on SD card
I'm using 32GB sd card on 16GB Nvidia Shield..
There is option to move apps and games to sd card.. The OBB data won't support only the application apk are moved actually to sd card... I know this issue is seen from kitkat when Google blocked app to use to sd card.. But in lollipop it was reverted.. So now is it application developer that they are not using sd card or its the OS limitation?
Because games OBB data take all the inbuilt storage... Any solutions for this?

Was this fixed in the 1.2 firmware? They specifically state something about the apps moving to sdcard.

tested this the other day after the update. I installed a 2.6gb game and moved it to a 64gb micro sd. It moved the entire game. i have 2.6gb on the sd card and no storage missing from my system. Nvidia is killing it with this system!!!

jerflash said:
tested this the other day after the update. I installed a 2.6gb game and moved it to a 64gb micro sd. It moved the entire game. i have 2.6gb on the sd card and no storage missing from my system. Nvidia is killing it with this system!!!
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Yes they are, I am not used to such support.
After the update I noticed all of games on sdcard did not show up for about 5 minutes. I wonder if it moved everything over for me or if I have to remove and reinstall each game?

stackdaddy said:
Yes they are, I am not used to such support.
After the update I noticed all of games on sdcard did not show up for about 5 minutes. I wonder if it moved everything over for me or if I have to remove and reinstall each game?
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everything worked fine for me...you should not have to do that

Would this work with an external hard drive as well?

uhmump95 said:
Would this work with an external hard drive as well?
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Nope it's only an option for the Micro SD slot. You cannot put apps on any USB device
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Well I guess if I get this I will have to go with the 500 gb version.
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uhmump95 said:
Well I guess if I get this I will have to go with the 500 gb version.
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500gb version has a hybrid drive with a small flash storage combined with the HDD. It's a good option I just thing the 16gb version with an SD card is more flexible and may perform better in the long run
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I just moved beach buggy game which was 140mb, at that time internal storage was 8.4 after moving to micro SD card my internal storage is 9gb and on micro SD card whole 140mb data was moved

digweed4me said:
I just moved beach buggy game which was 140mb, at that time internal storage was 8.4 after moving to micro SD card my internal storage is 9gb and on micro SD card whole 140mb data was moved
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Looking at the pictures on the nVidia slides, do you know if it's possible to open up the casing and install a 2.5" drive yourself ? I might have an old 2.5" drive somewhere. Looks like a drive bay with a regular SATA connector, like the PS3 or PS4.

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Looking at the pictures on the nVidia slides, do you know if it's possible to open up the casing and install a 2.5" drive yourself ? I might have an old 2.5" drive somewhere. Looks like a drive bay with a regular SATA connector, like the PS3 or PS4.
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I believe I read the non-Pro version does not have the connector available. There IS a spot for a surface mount connection, but that would take some semi-experienced soldering.

I'm interested to know what the people who went for the HD model are storing on there? I stream all my media so a 64gb Micro sd would probably be more than sufficient for apps and android games. If the markup to the HD model was $50 it would be a no brainier, but $100 is a bit steep. I'm guessing we might see a price drop in upcoming months. The device is definitely to my "to get" list, im UK based so will import via amazon

baileyjr said:
I'm interested to know what the people who went for the HD model are storing on there? I stream all my media so a 64gb Micro sd would probably be more than sufficient for apps and android games. If the markup to the HD model was $50 it would be a no brainier, but $100 is a bit steep. I'm guessing we might see a price drop in upcoming months. The device is definitely to my "to get" list, im UK based so will import via amazon
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I don't know if the Shield tablet is the same but even though I use Foldermount to move game data to external SD, I ended up maxing out my internal storage since it still keeps some of the app internally along with my other apps. If the move to sd option on the shield TV does the same, then eventually you will run out of internal memory. But from what I'm reading here, it moves everything, so you might be ok. The problem with my shield tablet is since I'm out of internal memory I cannot update any of my games and large apps unless I make more room.. So I decided to go with the 500gb with the shield TV so I don't run into any issues later. I'm also going to download movies so I need more room.

I believe it does more the whole app now buddy. I do understand the need for local storage if you'r storing films and other media on there. Its just for my use case I have a NAS device plugged into my wireless router and just stream everything from there. Getting a NAS was the best purchase I ever made and I would recommend it to anyone. I think it was like $100 and them I just dropped a 4tb drive in there. Instant network share and streaming for all the devices in the home.

I got the 500gb. After owning the Shield Portable and then the Shield Tablet. I did not want to got through the lack of storage again. I did not like moving apps to the sd card since it is much slower storage. Also I used my refund from the Beats Pill XL recall so it was an easy choice of which Shield version to get.

I for one don't like the idea of the OS running off the hd of the 500gb model so I bought me a high performing micro sd. This one has read/write speeds up to 90mb/s.
I have yet to test its performance off of the Shield console but I've read these cards perform around the max speeds on the Shield tablet.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NU...xtreme+pro&dpPl=1&dpID=416zADw75yL&ref=plSrch

Se7eN43 said:
I for one don't like the idea of the OS running off the hd of the 500gb model so I bought me a high performing micro sd. This one has read/write speeds up to 90mb/s.
I have yet to test its performance off of the Shield console but I've read these cards perform around the max speeds on the Shield tablet.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NU...xtreme+pro&dpPl=1&dpID=416zADw75yL&ref=plSrch
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I bought the lexar 128gb rated at 95mb/s for my note 4, and using A1 Sd benchmark I only get 46mb read / 17mb write. I will side load that app to my console and see how the card does compared to the 500gb drive.

aznmode said:
I bought the lexar 128gb rated at 95mb/s for my note 4, and using A1 Sd benchmark I only get 46mb read / 17mb write. I will side load that app to my console and see how the card does compared to the 500gb drive.
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You have to be careful when looking at these micro SD cards and their write speeds. A lot of them just say "up to 90MB/s", but never specify if that is read or write speeds until you dig through the tech details. I also came across the Lexar first, but noticed that the write speeds were very low, which actually seems to be the norm for most 128GB cards at the moment.
The only two I would recommend is the above Sandisk Extreme Pro 64GB, or the Samsung 64GB Pro. I actually just bought the Samsung tonight as a used Amazon warehouse deal for $36, still facotry sealed.

Only card I recommend anyone buy these days are the Samsung Evo cards. I have had zero issues with them. Plenty fast. I record 4K straight to the card all of the time without any glitches.
I'm actually running an older sandisk extreme 64gb in my shield right now because I had it living around. Had problems in my LG g3 with it but it is working flawless in my shield... Go figure.
I'm also running all of my video and emulated roms off of a 64gb usb 2.0 stick from sandisk. Works great
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32GB=sufficient storage?

Self explanatory title (note I'm asking "sufficient", not "enough")
How are you guys finding the onboard storage situation w/ your 32GB models? I'm unclear how much use the SDcard would be. Sure, you can point your camera + Spotify cache to the SDcard instead but just looking at my iphone 6, I would still have need another 17-18GB to cover other apps and their data (this is w/o a silly amount of games). I know you can move some apps from onboard storage to your SDcard, how do you find the performance difference?
A bit bummed over SG's seemingly shortsighted decision to limit most global markets to the 32GB variant. From what I've seen online and with a few demo units, actual free usable storage comes in around 14-16GB, which is fairly pitiful. If Android "only" uses 8GB, where's the extra? Is TW and other add in that large?

I ordered a microsd card with high read/write speed. And the phone is pushing pretty near the card's theoretical limit. Benchmark have it at around 94MB/S read, and 47MB/S write, with a theoretical limit of 97 read 57 write on the card.
Key here is not to order a microsd card with extremely slow write, some of the popular sandisk models out there have 80 read, but only around 16-18 write, and that can be painful sometimes.
Is microsd slower than the new generation samsung internal storage? Yes, because the new samsung internal storage is reading at around 300MB/S. However, if you came from any phone that's not a samsung S6, S6 edge, or note 5, the microsd card read/write speed is probably similar enough to what you are used to as your old device's internal storage speed, and I honestly can't tell the difference since most apps stay loaded in the RAM anyways. I'm also surprised to find that I can move most of my installed apps to my microsd, the only one I have issue with right now is Grand Theft Auto Sand Andreas which is taking up over 2.2GB of internal space.
I had a note 5 before this, and with the 32GB internal on that, I was only left with around 2GB free. Right now I'm at 15GB free on the S7E with the exact same amount of photo/music/apps installed, granted I might have a smaller cache as of now but you get the idea.

To be honest, it's borderline for me. I'm 13.4gb free. I'm OCD about being anywhere below 10gb free. 64gb or enabling adoptable storage would have been better.
With the Gear VR ........ The Oculus app and the apps within Oculus can't be moved to the external SD storage. No option. And if you load any 360, 3D, or regular videos, they must be placed on internal storage for the app to locate them. I keep my 360 VR videos on my SD card, then from the file manager I copy what I want into the phone's storage, then delete the copies after I'm done using the Gear VR. Repeat and Rinse.
Not all games transfer data properly. I don't know if it's a Marshmallow, TouchWiz, or Developer Issue. Basically Need For Speed games (Most Wanted & No Limits) and Asphalt 8 Airborne are the ones I had problems with. It would allow the option to move to external storage and would state that it moved all the data too. But it didn't. It creates a replica data folder on the external storage, but without any data in it. The original folder on the internal storage is still there with all the data. I tried many things like moving the data manually to the correct folder, and deleting the original, but the games just ask to download data again which appears back in the internal storage. Those are the only games I tried to move so far, and I'm thinking maybe the games that download extra data after initially starting up are the issue. I doubt any issue would arise from smaller games like Minion Rush or Subway Surfers, but those are the games you don't need to move.
EDIT: So I found out the Milk VR app can see video on my SD Card. So far it's the only app in the Gear VR that seems to do so.

Yes. 32gb is extremely sufficient. Especially when you have SD card support.
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not sure why this topic always comes up and people are asking other people if they have enough space, it depends on your usage, not of others i'm coming from a nexus 5 with 16GB (~12GB usable) without sdcard option that i've used for the past 2,5 years and it was enough for me. although i must admit that i had to shuffle things around sometimes (e.g. move older pictures to my NAS), hence looking forward to the 32GB

im1knight said:
I ordered a microsd card with high read/write speed. And the phone is pushing pretty near the card's theoretical limit. Benchmark have it at around 94MB/S read, and 47MB/S write, with a theoretical limit of 97 read 57 write on the card.
Key here is not to order a microsd card with extremely slow write, some of the popular sandisk models out there have 80 read, but only around 16-18 write, and that can be painful sometimes.
Is microsd slower than the new generation samsung internal storage? Yes, because the new samsung internal storage is reading at around 300MB/S. However, if you came from any phone that's not a samsung S6, S6 edge, or note 5, the microsd card read/write speed is probably similar enough to what you are used to as your old device's internal storage speed, and I honestly can't tell the difference since most apps stay loaded in the RAM anyways. I'm also surprised to find that I can move most of my installed apps to my microsd, the only one I have issue with right now is Grand Theft Auto Sand Andreas which is taking up over 2.2GB of internal space.
I had a note 5 before this, and with the 32GB internal on that, I was only left with around 2GB free. Right now I'm at 15GB free on the S7E with the exact same amount of photo/music/apps installed, granted I might have a smaller cache as of now but you get the idea.
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what SDcard are you using?

Quite pleased it has come up not being able to use gear vr with the SD card is very bad

ngmic said:
what SDcard are you using?
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PNY turbo, 64GB

Which SDcard?

Right I have a class 10 32gb card which I'm using as internal but any apps that are on it stutter and lag, if I buy another 32gb or 64gb like sandisk U3 will it be fast enough so that my apps don't lag?

What are the specs of the u3?

I was just about to put up my own post about this. I have a 64gb sandisk xtreme SD card. Only bought it a few weeks back for £35 I think it was. I'm having major problems. If I try deleting some stuff from the SD card using say es file explorer it takes a really long time to do it. Even deleting an empty folder it take wayyy too long. Also if I try downloading files straight to my SD card using say google drive or a torrent program it locks the phone up completely and I have to keep resetting the phone to get it to become responsive. Really annoying. If I get some spare time I will flash the stock xt1572 firmware and try it if not I will have to contact MOTO UK and try and sort it. But I'm hoping they will sort a replacement phone so I don't have to send off for repair....?
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nathlynn22 said:
I was just about to put up my own post about this. I have a 64gb sandisk xtreme SD card. Only bought it a few weeks back for £35 I think it was. I'm having major problems. If I try deleting some stuff from the SD card using say es file explorer it takes a really long time to do it. Even deleting an empty folder it take wayyy too long. Also if I try downloading files straight to my SD card using say google drive or a torrent program it locks the phone up completely and I have to keep resetting the phone to get it to become responsive. Really annoying. If I get some spare time I will flash the stock xt1572 firmware and try it if not I will have to contact MOTO UK and try and sort it. But I'm hoping they will sort a replacement phone so I don't have to send off for repair....?
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i read that formatting the sdcard to xeFAT at 128kbs cures that Nath

lafester said:
What are the specs of the u3?
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The Sandisk Extreme U3 Up to 90/40 MB/s read/write speeds for faster recording and transfers

Here's the 'official' specs: https://www.sdcard.org/developers/overview/speed_class/index.html
I think the Sandisk Extreme Pro is the fastest card out right now, the Transcend Ultimate 633x is just about as fast, and is cheaper.

BackDaws said:
i read that formatting the sdcard to xeFAT at 128kbs cures that Nath
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BackDaws said:
The Sandisk Extreme U3 Up to 90/40 MB/s read/write speeds for faster recording and transfers
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TXJim said:
Here's the 'official' specs: https://www.sdcard.org/developers/overview/speed_class/index.html
I think the Sandisk Extreme Pro is the fastest card out right now, the Transcend Ultimate 633x is just about as fast, and is cheaper.
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I will have to have a look but its not right. Only phone I have had problems. The LG G4 I used it on worked fine. And works fine in my Z2 Tablet. I will have to try reformat it or I'll contact MOTO I guess. Thanks
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Just a note that the phone doesn't support the second row of pins for UHS-2 (U3), so you're limited to UHS-1. Of course, the card could still be fast enough to max out UHS-1, but maybe not.
You could also look at changing the I/O scheduler for the SD card in Kernel Adiutor to something more suitable for SD, and playing with the read-ahead buffer to get better performance. Noop/512kB is a good starting point.
Also, why are the apps on the SD card? Shouldn't they be on the phone? Maybe use the external storage for non-time intensive things, like photos/music?
UPDATE, speed results from Sandisk 200GB MicroSD:
Seq Read - 79.85MB/s
Seq Write - 3.87MB/s
Random Read - 5.37 MB/s, 1377 IOPS
Random Write - 0.37 MB/s, 97 IOPS
SQLite Insert - 1192 TPS
SQLite Update - 664 TPS
Not the fastest card, but good enough for mass storage

My general consensus is that the apps will always be better on internal storage. Even if the phone can make full use of the U3 specs, it is still slower memory. Expect issues, especially with some apps.

Adoptable storage problems

I was just wondering how many of you have had problems/success with the adoptable storage. I have had two Moto x pures and both have messed up memory cards. I have lost 3 cards total that I could not access even when I tried from my PC. If you have had success I would love to know what card you are using. I've used a SanDisk ultra 64gb. A Samsung Evo 32gb and a lexar 32gb. The blue and gray ones. I'm not sure what the model was. All three of those are dead now pretty much because I can't access them.

What have you done to kill them? Are you rooted and flashing Roms or is this with the stock rom and no root? If the later do they just fail randomly or is there a specific trigger?

Running completely stock. No root. No Roms. I've never flashed anything on these particular phones. I never saw anything in common when the memory cards stopped working. It would just say the memory card was removed and then I would not be able to access it or anything stored on. When I would insert it into the computer it would say I needed to format the card.

Adopted storage puts a lot of stress on SD cards, unofficially even Motorola recommends against it (look in the Lenovo Support forums, several Motorola representatives recommend not to use adopted storage if you can get away with it). The problem is consumer microSD cards are not intended for constant read/write use that adopted storage puts the card though, thus they fail much earlier than "typical" usage situations. Again, this varies by card and it's quality, some will go a very long time, others not so much.
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-X...ard-Portable-or-Internal-storage/td-p/3536596

Did you then format the card and test it? Either the card failed due to read write degrading it or it really lost connection and that damaged the file structure.

It may just be the file system not recognised by Windows. Use a low level SD card formatting tool and check after doing a full format.
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An SDcard formatted for adoptable storage is encrypted and won't be readable on your computer.
Also, there are a bunch of counterfeit cards for sale these days. They work, sort-of. They're 4-gig cards modified to report a higher capacity. Once you put too much data on them, the filesystem can get corrupted.
Even if the cards are good, I've had nothing but issues with adoptable storage. I've only used it on a Moto E with 4 gigs of storage. My Moto X uses portable storage, and I've had no issues.

Adoptable storage for the most part had been a failure in my opinion. Some OEMs disable the function, such as Samsung. If you read around, you see many bad stories about the storage as well. Granted some people like it, but it is just not worth it all things considered. Personally, I think the original concept of saving select apps to the sd card worked better. If the app performance was poor, you could move it to internal. Would love to see that option come back.
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I used apptosd for years and it worked well.

So I guess next time I should just get a phone with more internal memory. I figured since I already had memory cards and adoptable storage was an option I could just save some cash and get the 16gb phone. I'm still hoping someone shares a positive story and what memory card they are using with success.

Me and my wife both had our 1st cards ruined in the Moto x pure. I don't remember the brand but since off eBay they could have easily been knockoffs. Wasn't using them as addoptive storage. I am now. PC would not recognize them. There are programs that I have had success with for free on PC to retrieve your photos from the cards even though the PC doesn't read them

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Me and my wife both had our 1st cards ruined in the Moto x pure. I don't remember the brand but since off eBay they could have easily been knockoffs. Wasn't using them as addoptive storage. I am now. PC would not recognize them. There are programs that I have had success with for free on PC to retrieve your photos from the cards even though the PC doesn't read them
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In my personal preference, I back up my photos to a PC monthly. But just to be sure I lose very little should my card go south, I use Google photos to backup while charging and on wifi. The unlimited option for photos means a slight reduction in size, but I also have peace of mind that I will still have them.

I was using adoptable storage for about a year in my old moto e lte without issues (sandisk 16gb), it was working great although I wasn't moving any apps to card. One time when I messed something up (definitely it was my fault) I couldn't acces my card but all I had to do was to put card into sd card reader and format it using partition wizard (you have to delete partitions that windows can't acces on it's own).

I have noticed my phone seems a bit slower launching some apps since I started adopted storage. Maybe an extra second to launch so it doesn't bother me. I am using am emtec u1 class 10 gold card. I don't know anything about the brand and am almost embarrassed to admit that I bought it at the hardware store lol

I have been using a SanDisk Ultra 32gb for 6 months without issue on stock non- rooted ROM. I don't take many pictures so no big deal for me if it gets corrupted. Amazon has the SanDisk 64gb Ultra for $16.00. Sadly I have the 16gb Pure.

I have the 16gb version with a Sandisk UHC-1 64gb as adoptable storage for about 2 months. Haven't had any issues so far and I moved the majority of my apps to the sd. Also haven't noticed any significant delay or performance impact either. I'm a casual user, no games or heavy demanding apps installed.

[No Root] Sdcard as internal storage.

You can use your Sdcard as internal storage on all 6.0+ devices.
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one thing to keep in mind: you'll want a fast card if you're planning on doing this. my sandisk UHS-1 cards has a speed of 30MB/s and I find it almost unusably slow for internal memory. simple reading apps took 10-15 seconds to load, and operating within the app was equally frustrating. formatted it and i just use it as storage, so everyone is happy

No cards are fast enough yet to make it worth the hassles, for me anyway

aviwdoowks said:
No cards are fast enough yet to make it worth the hassles, for me anyway
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I'm using a combination card, 30gb adopted, 90gb external. It's a Samsung uhs1 card. Definitely slower response from heavier apps stored there, but it's nice to offload stuff that I use less frequently or that doesn't need a lot of speed (utilities, eBook readers, etc) to maximize onboard storage for the apps that need it. I dump media to the external portion so it is usable on other devices should I need to do so.

if you're interested in seamless performance, check out the new A1 series that SanDisk is producing. It conforms to the new standard that states it should be as fast as internal memory when used as adoptable storage. http://www.droid-life.com/2017/01/05/sandisks-new-256gb-a1-microsd-card-wants-apps/