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[Bootloader & Warranty] some clarifications you really really need to know.

few days ago i've had a discussion with an HTC Global Operations Manager from Taiwan,
and i've asked him about HTC Policy regarding unlocking the bootloader.
when you go to the unlocking page, HTC Clearly states: "It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty."
seems good, isn't it? in case of hardware failure, we could use that warranty.. well.. actually.. we cannot.
Terms of use which you must agree to in order to use that service, states otherwise.
"HTC WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES OF ANY KIND ARISING FROM THE USE OF THE SERVICE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, PUNITIVE, AND CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES."
you can find it @ http://www.htcdev.com/terms under "Disclaimer".
the meaning of all of this is.. when you unlock your device, you void your warranty for the device, and it doesn't matter if it was just to gain root access or whatever.
from HTC point of view, they're not liable for anything related to the device as long thats concerns them.
and seriously? thats about the time to do something about it.
im an average user, bootloader unlocking for me would be done just to gain root access so i'll be able to backup my stuff.
seems like HTC ticket out of their financial crisis was the HTC One..
as for me, im gonna wait for Samsung to release their Galaxy S4.. if it won't have their amoled screens and their "pentile matrix"
im gonna go for it
p.s.
one of the questions that was asked during that discussion was why not to let the users s-off after unlocking.. anyway.. we gave up our warranty so.. what does it matter?
we couldn't get a straight answer about it.. all we could get was something that has to do with "security risk being protected" & "protecting the code"

I have heard the complete opposite and I myself have sent a phone away twice before with an unlocked bootloader and its fine. Also samsung have protection against people flashing non samsung approved stuff. Their bootloader has the counter. Good luck with the none pentile AMOLED, I imagine it will be pentile the note device usually has the non pentile display.

HTC is refering to not being held accountable as a company. Ie. you cant sue them.
That has nothing to do with warranty.
Could be mistaken of course, feel free to correct.

ste1164 said:
I have heard the complete opposite and I myself have sent a phone away twice before with an unlocked bootloader and its fine. Also samsung have protection against people flashing non samsung approved stuff. Their bootloader has the counter. Good luck with the none pentile AMOLED, I imagine it will be pentile the note device usually has the non pentile display.
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Their bootloader has the counter, indeed.
but its S-OFF. you don't have to go through a process to perform UNLOCKING OF ANYKIND and, you can reset that counter.
means, you can use your warranty.
with htc, you cant even temp root!
Maedhros said:
HTC is refering to not being held accountable as a company. Ie. you cant sue them.
That has nothing to do with warranty.
Could be mistaken of course, feel free to correct.
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Warranty is a contract, therefor, it has everything to do with it.

p0xer said:
Their bootloader has the counter, indeed.
but its S-OFF. you don't have to go through a process to perform UNLOCKING OF ANYKIND and, you can reset that counter.
means, you can use your warranty.
with htc, you cant even temp root!
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Most if not all Qualcomm HTC devices have had S-off obtained. It was just the Tegra devices that didn't.

obtained, not issued.
thats the HUGE difference.

Companies won't openly support rooting because it gives the user access to mess with SW & HW that could easily render the device useless, but if HW fails, there's a good chance they won't be able to tell if you rooted or not, where SW failure can be addressed by community help. Even upon touchscreen failure it is possible to unroot via physical buttons (at least on some devices) so the chances of catching a non user caused issue under warranty after which you can't unroot but leaving evidence for the HTC repair team to easily spot your wrongdoing is minimal.

p0xer said:
obtained, not issued.
thats the HUGE difference.
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The fact that to get back to stock on samsung you have to obtain a way of getting rid of your flash counter which samsung is trying to make harder in getting rid of. So in terms of warranty they arent really different at all.

p0xer said:
few days ago i've had a discussion with an HTC Global Operations Manager from Taiwan,
and i've asked him about HTC Policy regarding unlocking the bootloader.
when you go to the unlocking page, HTC Clearly states: "It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty."
seems good, isn't it? in case of hardware failure, we could use that warranty.. well.. actually.. we cannot.
Terms of use which you must agree to in order to use that service, states otherwise.
"HTC WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES OF ANY KIND ARISING FROM THE USE OF THE SERVICE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, PUNITIVE, AND CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES."
you can find it @ http://www.htcdev.com/terms under "Disclaimer".
the meaning of all of this is.. when you unlock your device, you void your warranty for the device, and it doesn't matter if it was just to gain root access or whatever.
from HTC point of view, they're not liable for anything related to the device as long thats concerns them.
and seriously? thats about the time to do something about it.
im an average user, bootloader unlocking for me would be done just to gain root access so i'll be able to backup my stuff.
seems like HTC ticket out of their financial crisis was the HTC One..
as for me, im gonna wait for Samsung to release their Galaxy S4.. if it won't have their amoled screens and their "pentile matrix"
im gonna go for it
p.s.
one of the questions that was asked during that discussion was why not to let the users s-off after unlocking.. anyway.. we gave up our warranty so.. what does it matter?
we couldn't get a straight answer about it.. all we could get was something that has to do with "security risk being protected" & "protecting the code"
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They cant get out of warranty for the phone if it is an inherent fault. They would have to prove that you had caused it by unlocking the bootloader and modifying the software, ie over-clocking and burning the cpu out. Why would they fix anybody's that sent it back unlocked if they didn't have to?

ste1164 said:
The fact that to get back to stock on samsung you have to obtain a way of getting rid of your flash counter which samsung is trying to make harder in getting rid of. So in terms of warranty they arent really different at all.
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I have say htc to be very good even when rooted etc. all my devices have been repaired, within warranty picked up from home address and delivered.
Not sure about Samsung but they are making it more difficult to reset flash counter.

riz157 said:
I have say htc to be very good even when rooted etc. all my devices have been repaired, within warranty picked up from home address and delivered.
Not sure about Samsung but they are making it more difficult to reset flash counter.
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Hi I am getting HTC 1st time so I dont know much about their system, can you tell me how are their repairability in case it bricked or its rooted and you need to give it to service centre? how hard or easy to root, theme or custom rom on HTC devices compared to S3? and I like sense 4 style home screen and animated weather on home screen, it it possible to get exact that look and feel on HTC one? what is the procedure to in-warranty repair and how much time they sake generally?
Thanks

onlinejobwork said:
Hi I am getting HTC 1st time so I dont know much about their system, can you tell me how are their repairability in case it bricked or its rooted and you need to give it to service centre?
I've never sent my device in when it's been bricked due to rooting or flashing custom rom so I can't really tell you.
how hard or easy to root, theme or custom rom on HTC devices compared to S3?
Requires bit more work to be honest. You have to unlock boot loader firstly But it is straight forward.
and I like sense 4 style home screen and animated weather on home screen, it it possible to get exact that look and feel on HTC one?
Of course it is just requires widgets.
what is the procedure to in-warranty repair and how much time they sake generally?
Generally in my experience within 7 days, provided all parts are available etc. very good service pickup and drop off wherever you are in the country.
Thanks
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Jj

I can't understand why people are surprised that companies will void warranty upon unlocking the bootloader? A user (even experienced) can cause damage to hardware, even sometimes on purpose, to get a warranty claim.
If you damage a part in your desktop/laptop PC (due to overclocking, etc), you are liable for that part, so how is this any different?
Its irrespective if its HTC or Samsung or Sony or whatever, they must protect themselves otherwise they won't be around for much longer.
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p0xer said:
Warranty is a contract, therefor, it has everything to do with it.
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You misunderstand. HTCs "official" stance is:
It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty
http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader
The disclaimer you highlight is them saying: If your phone blows up and hurts you due to bootloader, we cannot be held accountable. That statement has nothing to do with warranty as per my understanding.
If your phone is damaged due to hardware (not related to bootloader) then they will fix it. However, anything effected by Bootloader unlock (even indirect) will not be covered.
I believe you are simply misinterpreting their language (possible if English isn't your native language).

Maedhros said:
You misunderstand. HTCs "official" stance is:
It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty
http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader
The disclaimer you highlight is them saying: If your phone blows up and hurts you due to bootloader, we cannot be held accountable. That statement has nothing to do with warranty as per my understanding.
If your phone is damaged due to hardware (not related to bootloader) then they will fix it. However, anything effected by Bootloader unlock (even indirect) will not be covered.
I believe you are simply misinterpreting their language (possible if English isn't your native language).
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Thats the thing.. I'm not and wasn't interpreting.
like i said, i have spoken to an HTC Global Operations Manager from Taiwan. HE DID those interpretations.
from what HE said, you unlock your bootloader = you void your warranty and thats it.
i know its hard for people to understand that but that what he said.
i thought the same like you did, if i only rooted it.. didn't change anything in the device and my battery suddenly has gone kaput? NO WARRANTY.
because thats the meaning of their policy.
this has been told by an HTC Senior Official.

I had my Desire's motherboard replaced and I had disassembled the whole device once. The "void" stickers on screws were in pieces and it was S-OFF. It had this faulty PVT1 motherboard which had problems with CPU solderings.
No questions asked.

Well of course an official would say that. What else would you expect? An official is probably the worst person to ask that kind of contentious question. The way I read the warranty is that if you've unlocked your bootloader HTC might repair, at their discretion. It would depend on the problem. You can hardly blame them...
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p0xer said:
Thats the thing.. I'm not and wasn't interpreting.
like i said, i have spoken to an HTC Global Operations Manager from Taiwan. HE DID those interpretations.
from what HE said, you unlock your bootloader = you void your warranty and thats it.
i know its hard for people to understand that but that what he said.
i thought the same like you did, if i only rooted it.. didn't change anything in the device and my battery suddenly has gone kaput? NO WARRANTY.
because thats the meaning of their policy.
this has been told by an HTC Senior Official.
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From my experience, HTC Has repaired non software issues previously. Believe what you would like, but I'll say it once again, the reps interpretation isn't the companies interpretation.
If I'm not mistaken, HTC has gone on record to say it would repair non software issues (too lazy to look it up atm). Some countries, in fact, require it by law.
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Think of it this way:
My Car is a new car under warranty. I put an aftermarket exhaust on it.
Lets say a year later (car is still under warranty) the engine breaks. They will repair anything NOT related to the exhaust. So, not the exhaust system, but the engine, body, etc. are covered.

The word "damages" has a very specific meaning in law. That paragraph is a general disclaimer about use of the unlocking service, and has nothing to do with the warranty.
More importantly, consumer protection law often states that the retailer is responsible, not the manufacturer, and it is impossible to sign away your statutory rights.

Bootloader Unlocking Advantages?

I have never unlocked a device bootloader before so I am trying to get a little more knowledgeable on the topic. For this device, other than allowing it to be rooted, what advantages are there to unlocking the bootloader? Does it make the device harder to brick? Obviously it allows the installation of custom ROMS. For those that want to keep it stock, but want to root, is there any advantages to them having an unlocked bootloader? Thanks in advance for any advice.

For myself, its a no brainer. I use the xposed framework for minor tweaks and mods on the stock build. And just as well, I use titanium backup to remove unwanted system apps that come pre installed, and roll back app updates that I don't see fit. Per ex. If an app updates and has ads or removes features, I usually roll it back. Normally I flash a custom ROM and kernel, but this phone performs so well stock, it only needed minor tweaking in my opinion. Just my .02, but I like to be in control of a device I spend my hard earned money on.
If certain basic options were included in stock, I wouldn't even root, as I really don't need it. Its the simple customization and tweaks that make it all worthwhile.
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In my opinion, an unlocked bootloader is awesome. For the fact that in the off chance that something gets corrupted, you can go into fastboot and flash whatever to try and fix it.
And rooting, as well. Because of all the advantages rooting offers.

siralsmooth said:
For myself, its a no brainer. I use the xposed framework for minor tweaks and mods on the stock build. And just as well, I use titanium backup to remove unwanted system apps that come pre installed, and roll back app updates that I don't see fit. Per ex. If an app updates and has ads or removes features, I usually roll it back. Normally I flash a custom ROM and kernel, but this phone performs so well stock, it only needed minor tweaking in my opinion. Just my .02, but I like to be in control of a device I spend my hard earned money on.
If certain basic options were included in stock, I wouldn't even root, as I really don't need it. Its the simple customization and tweaks that make it all worthwhile.
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MrPandroid said:
In my opinion, an unlocked bootloader is awesome. For the fact that in the off chance that something gets corrupted, you can go into fastboot and flash whatever to try and fix it.
And rooting, as well. Because of all the advantages rooting offers.
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I totally agree with all of that. Before my Moto X arrived I was running a Galaxy S4 rooted with Hyperdrive ROM. I refused to take the Lollipop update because it would kill root and it was not again attainable, except for King Root. King Root is out of China and I'm not even gonna go there as to why I wouldn't use that. The S4 I had didn't have a bootloader that was unlockable so it was Safestrap Recovery with a root exploit that had me gaining control. It's ridiculous to me that we don't have control of our devices anyway. Verizon is terrible, that's why I bought this phone as it is unlockable and rootable on Lollipop, and it's carrier unlocked. So if Verizon ticks me off too much I can jump ship.

Another thing, if Moto voids your warranty due to bootloader unlock, are most folks going with Square Trade for protection purposes? I know Moto says they will still honor your claim if it's a hardware issue not related to software, but should I trust them?

You can always return the device to stock prior to sending it in. Did that with my nexus 6 for the battery issue. Just play it right, you can always say you were going to but never followed through with it. The bootloader screen tells all. Moto isn't Samsung with the flash counter.
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On my previous devices (mostly nexus's) it's a no-brainer, it allows me to use custom ROMs. But on the MXPE, I like the stock ROM and moto features. But I still unlocked in order to get rid of ads, that alone is worth it for me.

The way I see it, a phone is a pocket sized computer. Do you want to be a user or an admin? As a user, you can only do what the manufacturer has loaded on the phone and what they allow you to update. As an admin, you can install Windows 10 or roll it back to Windows 7 if you want. Want to try Linux? Go install it. The sky is the limit if you're the admin. That's sorta how it is to have an unlocked bootloader on a phone. If you're not comfortable changing anything with your phone or restoring it if something goes wrong, leave the bootloader locked.
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siralsmooth said:
You can always return the device to stock prior to sending it in. Did that with my nexus 6 for the battery issue. Just play it right, you can always say you were going to but never followed through with it. The bootloader screen tells all. Moto isn't Samsung with the flash counter.
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Were you able to unlock bootloader without going thru Motorola's process to get the unlock key? If not, they've recorded your serial number as unlocked.

All of the above are excellent points, so I won't rehash them, but the first thing that drives me to unlock and root with every phone and tablet I get, is Ads. Nothing bugs me more than popup ads. Unlock- Root -Adaway!
Also, there is a real sick visceral thrill to doing something stupid, bricking your phone and then suppressing panic to find a fix. When that unit boots back up ready to go - it's not better than sex, but it's pretty good.

mnlerer said:
All of the above are excellent points, so I won't rehash them, but the first thing that drives me to unlock and root with every phone and tablet I get, is Ads. Nothing bugs me more than popup ads. Unlock- Root -Adaway!
Also, there is a real sick visceral thrill to doing something stupid, bricking your phone and then suppressing panic to find a fix. When that unit boots back up ready to go - it's not better than sex, but it's pretty good.
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Couldn't take it any longer, it's unlocked, TWRP'ed, and rooted. I feel so much better now! I'm once again in control and have all my apps with data right where they should be.
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Welcome to the family. Lol
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I applaud Moto for allowing this. Had a Sammy Note 3 and had to jump through so many hoops just to get a rom on the thing, sideloading bs and all that and then can't go over a certain update or root is lost, etc. Glad I bought this MXPE and about two days after purchase, rooted and unlocked the BL. Felt great to be back in control. Now whatever comes down the pike I can put on, take off without a hesitation. Great phone....

Sporttster said:
I applaud Moto for allowing this. Had a Sammy Note 3 and had to jump through so many hoops just to get a rom on the thing, sideloading bs and all that and then can't go over a certain update or root is lost, etc. Glad I bought this MXPE and about two days after purchase, rooted and unlocked the BL. Felt great to be back in control. Now whatever comes down the pike I can put on, take off without a hesitation. Great phone....
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And you can flash forward as well. There's some info and files in the General section for a fully working MM rom. I'm holding off until someone accomplishes a modified kernel, which will allow it to be rooted.
But yea, I was a die hard Sammy guy up until the S5. It got harder and harder to root and I finally bought a Dev Edition Verizon S5. I wasn't going to fork out $6-800 on a Dev Note 4. And with the S6/N5 and up they took away removable batteries (not a deal breaker) and sd cards, which was the final stray. No removable battery, no sd card, no unlocked bootloader (for Verizon at least) = no Sammy!
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joshw0000 said:
And you can flash forward as well. There's some info and files in the General section for a fully working MM rom. I'm holding off until someone accomplishes a modified kernel, which will allow it to be rooted.
But yea, I was a die hard Sammy guy up until the S5. It got harder and harder to root and I finally bought a Dev Edition Verizon S5. I wasn't going to fork out $6-800 on a Dev Note 4. And with the S6/N5 and up they took away removable batteries (not a deal breaker) and sd cards, which was the final stray. No removable battery, no sd card, no unlocked bootloader (for Verizon at least) = no Sammy!
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Yup, I was a Samsung guy too, until the changes you mentioned. I stuck with my S4 and even that would've lost root if I updated to Lollipop. So I kept rolling with KitKat until I bought the Moto X Pure. Now I'm back to Moto and hoping the next iteration of this device comes with an AMOLED display.

robn30 said:
Yup, I was a Samsung guy too, until the changes you mentioned. I stuck with my S4 and even that would've lost root if I updated to Lollipop. So I kept rolling with KitKat until I bought the Moto X Pure. Now I'm back to Moto and hoping the next iteration of this device comes with an AMOLED display.
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I couldn't be loyal that long lol. I've had almost every phone Verizon offers. The only ones I've been able to use for longer than a month or so are the S5, M8, G3, M9, G4, and now the MXP. I like the Nexus line but I have a 128 gb sd card so even 64gb of internal isn't nearly enough for me to use comfortably.
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Requesting Blankflash Files From Motorola

Hey Moto G users
I'm attempting to email Motorola asking them to release the blankflash files as I amongst many others are facing hard bricked phones.
To cut a long story short, one of my Moto G phones the Moto G 2014 (XT1072 aka Thea) worked fine and then suddenly it decided to not boot up (infinite boot animation screen). I sent it to Motorola and they sent it on to a repair company. I had an email from the repair company saying the phone had been rooted, which clearly it wasn't as the bootloader was still locked. Of course the method I have always rooted phones is via a custom recovery which means an unlocked bootloader is required.
Eventually the phone came back to me and they refused to touch the phone any longer. As the repair company didn't care from this point I thought about unlocking the bootloader. However, that didn't actually work as there was a message on the bootloader screen displaying 'Enable OEM Unlock in developer options'. This was impossible as I already knew the phone wouldn't boot and the only way to unlock the bootloader was to enable the option in the developer settings within the OS.
After playing around with some clear cache and formatting commands (which I obviously tried before I sent the phone off) via fastboot and an attempted bootloader unlock command (not done before until received back from the repair company), miraculously the phone did boot up and I was able to do an OTA update to Android 6 (Marshmallow). I did however keep the bootloader unlocked as everything seemed to run fine with the new update. After 4 days use of my phone the phone repeated apps crashing and eventually the infinite boot animation came back. From here I decided to unlock the bootloader and re-flash a stock ROM for this phone. The 5.0.2 ROM worked and I tried an OTA update to 6.0, the phone powered off and now the phone no longer boots and the bootloader is non-existent.
All I'm going to say is the Moto G series of phones are far one of the most popular, cheap, powerful, bargain phones on the market and it is a shame for them to die off never to be used again when bootloader corruptions occur. I'm going to email Motorola UK and share this thread with them showing a poll of users that also would like access to the blankflash files so we can start our phones on a clean slate. My phone may be a hardware issue but I want to at least give it another attempt by re-partitioning the phone and re-flashing it.
Thanks for reading
Will

This is the email I've sent to Motorola. I have also copied in the URL for this thread so they can see how many people vote on the poll. So if you are a Moto G user and have a phone sitting around you would like to bring back to life please vote.
Amongst other Moto G users, we all love our phones for the amazing low price yet still powerful performance. Problem is many of us like to improve the phone by removing bloatware apps and customising the GUI or even installing custom ROM's.
In my case my phone was claimed to have been rooted by your repair company which was lies, and now that nothing can be done with the phone I've attempted to fix the ROM myself. However, the bootloader has decided to break entirely and without the correct software tools I have a £150 phone sitting around doing nothing that could be used.
I have created a thread on the XDA Developers forum with a poll showing the amount of users also requesting you to release the blankflash files. http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g/general/requesting-blankflash-files-motorolla-t3350441
I hope you understand the frustration we have when you hold such as good phone back. The Moto G is really great phone, but for the Android enthusiasts such as myself who want to run Android to its full potential (the beauty of being an Open-source OS), sometimes problems will occur and we need the tools to start that clean slate. This is why we need these tools to return the phone back to a 'working' state so we can try again.
It is not just the Moto G that is popular. The entire Moto series have become a well-known icon of phones, and it's what has brought Motorola back as that great phone company. All of the Moto series phones are constantly being customised by Android enthusiasts so please release the software tools to the public so we can keep our phones going.
N.B Please allow the poll to populate as it has only just been created.
Many thanks
Will
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Just for the record, hard-bricks have also occurred for a small number of users while applying an official OTA update on Bootloader locked phones. Down-graders are not the only people vulnerable.

I would be amazed if you received any response at all from them. No offense, but I'm sure they don't care in the slightest. ?
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AtomicFizzle said:
I would be amazed if you received any response at all from them. No offense, but I'm sure they don't care in the slightest. ?
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True. But I thought I'd try.
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DUCK you LENOVO

i hope motorola give our devices a life one more

Info before purchase

I'm considering to buy this smartphone. Although it is not the newest one and the best on the market it could be interesting or me.
I can purchase european/italian version through official channel, but it is not very cheap € 319...
Keep in mind that I want to use it with the official CyanogenMod, so unlock bootloader, flash TWRP and install new ROM
Now I need the opinion of owners of such device ...
Are there known problems o the oneplus two (2) which advise against purchase ...?
I noted that it is not very followed in the various forums, unlike his predecessor, and that the modding more limited it seems to me
Your opinions, please ...?
Thanks, in advance

Opinion
Mrx65 said:
I'm considering to buy this smartphone. Although it is not the newest one and the best on the market it could be interesting or me.
I can purchase european/italian version through official channel, but it is not very cheap € 319...
Keep in mind that I want to use it with the official CyanogenMod, so unlock bootloader, flash TWRP and install new ROM
Now I need the opinion of owners of such device ...
Are there known problems o the oneplus two (2) which advise against purchase ...?
I noted that it is not very followed in the various forums, unlike his predecessor, and that the modding more limited it seems to me
Your opinions, please ...?
Thanks, in advance
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in my opinion i love my Oneplus 2. Default oxygenos gave me too many issues so i made the switch to ParanoidAndroid and have not had any problems other than user error. I haven't played around too much with cyanogen but in hear this phone handles it surprisingly well as long as you get a good build. I say if you feel like going ahead then definitely do it. Modifications to software don't void your warranty so no worries there.

Thank you for your feedback
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No one else's opinion...?

Mrx65 said:
No one else's opinion...?
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I believe is still a great phone for the price considering the specs, there are a few guys having trouble with the fingerprint sensor from time to time (happened to me once) and some guys have had their second sim messed up by either flashing a rom or by some other random action. Anyways I recommend you try buying it from swappa as from time to time there are people selling mint condition phones along with a few accesories (styleswap covers, cases, etc... ) from less that the money a new (but without accesories)phone would cost. I got mine (64gb version) from swappa.com with 3 original styleswap covers, 3 cases and a template glass for $235 which isn't too bad in my book.

Advice, keep away from moisture use only with dry finger (sweat, cold beverages, etc)
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fburgos said:
Advice, keep away from moisture use only with dry finger (sweat, cold beverages, etc)
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...bought and just shipped today... :fingers-crossed:
How can I check they shipped the right european version to me...??
They only quote sku 0101040201
Thanks

Should I care about my warranty?

Should I wait until my warranty expires?
I don't drop my phone, almost never.
But since I've been modding and "ROMing" my phones since I started using Android, I was wondering is Samsung's warrranty (my first Samsung) useful to have or should I just dive in and start downloading all those great ROMs (I know, it's all personal preference)?
Basically the question would be would you guys advise on rooting prior to warranty expire date or wait until the "mentioned" date (I've got almost a full year left)?

Sorry for the wrong section of J5, I just realized it -.-

The_LLH said:
Should I wait until my warranty expires?
I don't drop my phone, almost never.
But since I've been modding and "ROMing" my phones since I started using Android, I was wondering is Samsung's warrranty (my first Samsung) useful to have or should I just dive in and start downloading all those great ROMs (I know, it's all personal preference)?
Basically the question would be would you guys advise on rooting prior to warranty expire date or wait until the "mentioned" date (I've got almost a full year left)?
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After I got my Huawei Nova, I hesitated to root it for like 1 week or so just because i was afraid that I may encounter some problems with the phone itself since it is my first Huawei phone. Now it is rooted and guess what: I read that on Huawei we still have warranty after we relock the bootloader by reinstalling stock ROM, since there isn't any counter like on Samsung (Knox 0x1). I would have rooted it even if there would have been a counter.
I guess you already know what advantages has a rooted phone or that installing custom ROMs (like the famous CyanogenMod, now called LineageOS) or custom kernels can improve your phone and have a better experience.
Why to give up these? For a warranty? I rather enjoy my phone and use it the way I want, to it's full capability. And you know what? Android smartphones aren't really "smart phones". You can make them really smart by rooting them.
I still have my first Android smartphone, Samsung Galaxy Y which is old and still alive without any problem. But it isn't being used since 1-2 years or so (it's battery is dead, but is replaceable though and also it's quite old and slow). It was rooted, overclocked and God knows how many times I've flashed ROMs .
I also have my previous phone (before I got J5 2015), the Samsung Galaxy S Advance, which is also alive. With this one I had a problem. When I've been running AOSP 4.4 (custom rom and rooted) and browsing, the phone suddenly froze and after I've powered it off, I couldn't power it on anymore. I still had some months left of the two years warranty. Then I went to Samsung service and they've said that motherboard is dead and got a free repair.
After owning 3 Samsung phones, I can tell that they're quite durable phones. However, I don't think I'll ever buy one because it's running Crapwiz.
Go on and root your phone, without looking back.
And if you have J500F or J500FN and the downgraded camera quality or slower charging time of LineageOS, Snapchat video recording and FM-Radio bugs aren't a problem for you, then try LineageOS 13 (which is an updated version of CyanogenMod 13) and you won't regret.

The_LLH said:
Should I wait until my warranty expires?
I don't drop my phone, almost never.
But since I've been modding and "ROMing" my phones since I started using Android, I was wondering is Samsung's warrranty (my first Samsung) useful to have or should I just dive in and start downloading all those great ROMs (I know, it's all personal preference)?
Basically the question would be would you guys advise on rooting prior to warranty expire date or wait until the "mentioned" date (I've got almost a full year left)?
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Warranty doesent cover dropped phones, broken displays unless you paid more for Screen insuarance / protection.
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#Henkate said:
After I got my Huawei Nova, I hesitated to root it for like 1 week or so just because i was afraid that I may encounter some problems with the phone itself since it is my first Huawei phone. Now it is rooted and guess what: I read that on Huawei we still have warranty after we relock the bootloader by reinstalling stock ROM, since there isn't any counter like on Samsung (Knox 0x1). I would have rooted it even if there would have been a counter.
I guess you already know what advantages has a rooted phone or that installing custom ROMs (like the famous CyanogenMod, now called LineageOS) or custom kernels can improve your phone and have a better experience.
Why to give up these? For a warranty? I rather enjoy my phone and use it the way I want, to it's full capability. And you know what? Android smartphones aren't really "smart phones". You can make them really smart by rooting them.
I still have my first Android smartphone, Samsung Galaxy Y which is old and still alive without any problem. But it isn't being used since 1-2 years or so (it's battery is dead, but is replaceable though and also it's quite old and slow). It was rooted, overclocked and God knows how many times I've flashed ROMs .
I also have my previous phone (before I got J5 2015), the Samsung Galaxy S Advance, which is also alive. With this one I had a problem. When I've been running AOSP 4.4 (custom rom and rooted) and browsing, the phone suddenly froze and after I've powered it off, I couldn't power it on anymore. I still had some months left of the two years warranty. Then I went to Samsung service and they've said that motherboard is dead and got a free repair.
After owning 3 Samsung phones, I can tell that they're quite durable phones. However, I don't think I'll ever buy one because it's running Crapwiz.
Go on and root your phone, without looking back.
And if you have J500F or J500FN and the downgraded camera quality or slower charging time of LineageOS, Snapchat video recording and FM-Radio bugs aren't a problem for you, then try LineageOS 13 (which is an updated version of CyanogenMod 13) and you won't regret.
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there are people who got their device fixed even tho the counter said 0x1

In European Union knox 0x1 doesn't break your warranty.
Repair service may still try to screw you over though, so you should prepare given EU directive that talks about case like this. It's been laying around xda for a while.

Insightfull
thanks guys
I'm just gonna do it.
Don't know why I waited in the first place,
this touchwiz is... something
Besides I see Lineage OS is on the way (I've got J510FN) so that with some tweaks is probably going to satisfy my needs.

#Henkate Lol
I still have my first Android smartphone, Samsung Galaxy Y which is old and still alive without any problem.
I still have that device!! Actually the single sim and the dual sim version too. First battery is dead but the dual sim is alive and kicking!!! Lol

#Henkate said:
After I got my Huawei Nova, I hesitated to root it for like 1 week or so just because i was afraid that I may encounter some problems with the phone itself since it is my first Huawei phone. Now it is rooted and guess what: I read that on Huawei we still have warranty after we relock the bootloader by reinstalling stock ROM, since there isn't any counter like on Samsung (Knox 0x1). I would have rooted it even if there would have been a counter.
I guess you already know what advantages has a rooted phone or that installing custom ROMs (like the famous CyanogenMod, now called LineageOS) or custom kernels can improve your phone and have a better experience.
Why to give up these? For a warranty? I rather enjoy my phone and use it the way I want, to it's full capability. And you know what? Android smartphones aren't really "smart phones". You can make them really smart by rooting them.
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Man you deserve a reward for this reply.
Samsung is kind a phone that just needs to be rooted, either for debloating it (since without it, it becomes unusable and laggy) or either for custom roms
Koloses said:
In European Union knox 0x1 doesn't break your warranty.
Repair service may still try to screw you over though, so you should prepare given EU directive that talks about case like this. It's been laying around xda for a while.
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And yes, actually, my friend bought Huawei P9 brand new, just when it came out on market and it came with that special kind of warranty (the one that even if you break your device, like display or something, the service must repair it for you for free. The only one thing that breaks the warranty is root.
So two week after my friend bought it, he rooted it and he was messing with the speakers sound, and he somehow completly blew them they couldn't work anymore, he knew that they wouldn't do anything since phone is rooted, so he flashed a faulty kernel (my idea lol) and after that the phone wouldn't turn on no matter what.
He just took the phone to service and said he dropped the phone, they told him that the motherboard is most likely damaged from fall, and guess what they gave him a completly brand new P9
he never rooted again but he did buy me a lot of beers during that week

haha I'll have to try that

Lol i have a similar story, basically my first andoid phone was a ZTE Blade 3 and i started putting all kinds of roms in it, until i put a rom from another ZTE (different cpu than mine) The device wouldnt even budge when i hold the power key anymore but i still had like some months of warranty, and they replaced the motherboard for free XD

Koloses said:
In European Union knox 0x1 doesn't break your warranty.
Repair service may still try to screw you over though, so you should prepare given EU directive that talks about case like this. It's been laying around xda for a while.
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Are you talking about the fact that I have a warranty with the shop/company that sold it to me, not Samsung itself? From what I read around XDA that is the case, right?

The_LLH said:
Are you talking about the fact that I have a warranty with the shop/company that sold it to me, not Samsung itself? From what I read around XDA that is the case, right?
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So u have a one year warranty from Samsung and should have another year from the shop you bought it from

infixremix said:
So u have a one year warranty from Samsung and should have another year from the shop you bought it from
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I got 24months from store ?