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Confirmed ..Moto x bounce will be the new verizon droid

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this is so disappointing, i mean this was supposed to be motorola flagship all along. this is typical of last year's events.
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sherif2015 said:
courtsey of @upleaks
this is so disappointing, i mean this was supposed to be motorola flagship all along nstead of the pure. this is typical of last year's events.
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If you means the Droid Turbo 2, then yes. I've been saying that. There will probably be two Droids this year. One lower middle tier (Droid Maxx 2), one upper tier (Droid Turbo 2).
I'm not sure why you say it's disappointing. It has better specs than that the X Pure (middle tier), so logical it will be the Droid Turbo 2. Faster CPU, larger battery, shatterproof than X Pure One render even shows ballistic nylon back. Plus, it's NOT a freaking 5.7" PHABLET. 5.4" is a more reasonable size to hold.
"Bounce" is the code name, like Quark was for our phones.
Droid Turbo 2 in U.S., Moto X Force for rest of the world.
Even though I'm in the U.S. I own TWO "international" XT1225 Moto Maxx, as they have unlock-able bootloaders, REAL root, TWRP, and now 4 custom ROMs. I run them on AT&T. Google's phone (from Motorola) was too freaking huge, so I bought two of the Quarks.
Looks like Google is going to disappoint again this year with the Nexus phones. Rumors are Google is downscaling to 5.7", but still that's too big. Whereas, I loved the Quark (5.2" version of the Moto Nexus 6).

ChazzMatt said:
If you means the Droid Tubro 2, then yes. I've been saying that. There will probably be two Droids this year. One lower middle tier (Droid Maxx 2), one upper tier (Droid Turbo 2).
I'm not sure why you say it's disappointing. It has better specs than that the X Pure (middle tier), so logical it will be the Droid Turbo 2. Faster CPU, larger battery, shatterproof than X Pure One render even shows ballistic nylon back. Plus, it's NOT a freaking 5.7" PHABLET. 5.4" is a more reasonable size to hold.
"Bounce" is the code name, like Quark.
Droid Turbo 2 in U.S., Moto X Force for rest of the world.
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Is this the first time a 5.4 in display has been used?
Don't believe I've seen one before.
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ChazzMatt said:
If you means the Droid Tubro 2, then yes. I've been saying that. There will probably be two Droids this year. One lower middle tier (Droid Maxx 2), one upper tier (Droid Turbo 2).
I'm not sure why you say it's disappointing. It has better specs than that the X Pure (middle tier), so logical it will be the Droid Turbo 2. Faster CPU, larger battery, shatterproof than X Pure One render even shows ballistic nylon back. Plus, it's NOT a freaking 5.7" PHABLET. 5.4" is a more reasonable size to hold.
"Bounce" is the code name, like Quark.
Droid Turbo 2 in U.S., Moto X Force for rest of the world.
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i meant being on verizon and not the main flagship that is sold unlocked out of the box
i know verizon is LTE unlocked. but the software updates will have to be sanctioned by verizon plus the bloatware.

sherif2015 said:
i meant being on verizon and not the main flagship that is sold unlocked out of the box
i know verizon is LTE unlocked. but the software updates will have to be sanctioned by verizon plus the bloatware.
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Oh, that's not an issue. The Droid Turbo was NOT exclusive to Verizon last year. That was just a marketing LIE.
U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 had the same FCC ID, same exact device. People on this forum bought and unlocked bootloader, rooted. They even run them on Verizon with Verion LTE SIM card. If you NEED Verizon, or you NEED LTE band 13, then buy the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250.
XT1225 sold internationally as the Moto Maxx or Moto Turbo was same device but no CDMA and slightly different mix of LTE bands (2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17). No bloatware and Verizon is not involved in any way. We now have 4 custom 5.1.1 ROMs for the XT12225, the latest being Resurrection Remix, the first being CM12.1. Unless you NEED Verizon or LTE band 13 or CDMA, then buy the XT1225.
This year, the Moto X Force -- NOT sold by Verizon -- will probably have even more LTE bands. With unlock-able bootloader, full root, etc. Just like the XT1225.
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Leraeniesh said:
Is this the first time a 5.4 in display has been used?
Don't believe I've seen one before.
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I'm very curious how accurate the leaks are on this aspect. Here's why... The X Play is 5.5" 1080p. Rumors are saying this Bounce is 5.43" 1440p. I'm wondering if it's actually the same size display?
http://www.motorola.com/on/demandwa...la_WE-Site/en/Product-Show?pid=moto-x-play-we
Basically going to be an X Play with higher specs, same as the 2014 5.2" Quark was the 2014 5.2" Moto X with higher specs.

ChazzMatt said:
Oh, that's not an issue. The Droid Turbo was NOT exclusive to Verizon last year. That was just a marketing LIE.
U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 had the same FCC ID, same exact device. People on this forum bought and unlocked bootloader, rooted. They even run them on Verizon with Verion LTE SIM card. If you NEED Verizon, or you NEED LTE band 13, then buy the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250.
XT1225 sold internationally as the Moto Maxx or Moto Turbo was same device but no CDMA and slightly different mix of LTE bands (2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17). No bloatware and Verizon is not involved in any way. We now have 4 custom 5.1.1 ROMs for the XT12225, the latest being Resurrection Remix, the first being CM12.1. Unless you NEED Verizon or LTE band 13 or CDMA, then buy the XT1225.
This year, the Moto X Force -- NOT sold by Verizon -- will probably have even more LTE bands. With unlock-able bootloader, full root, etc. Just like the XT1225.
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yeah man i know that. and to get it you have to search on ebay for it whereas the new x pure is sold on amazon and bestbuy. also the part about ROMs, honestly, i am not into flashing roms every day like i used to except when it is a samy device. c my point?

sherif2015 said:
yeah man i know that. and to get it you have to search on ebay for it whereas the new x pure is sold on amazon and bestbuy. also the part about ROMs, honestly, i am not into flashing roms every day like i used to except when it is a samy device. c my point?
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No, I guess I don't see your point. ANY Droid named phone is going to be sold by Verizon and be locked down.
So, what were you hoping for? A Droid named phone sold straight from Motorola? Motorola doesn't own the rights to the name. I guess I'm misunderstanding, because there's NOTHING special about the name. You can get the same phone under a different name.
Even the Moto Maxx XT1225 is on Amazon. Unlock-able bootloader, etc.
It would help if you tell me exactly what you want. Are you on Verizon and want to stay on Verizon? Because half the people on this forum bought the XT1254 Droid Turbo who do not use Verizon and actaully hate Verizon, but use the phone on AT&T, T-mobile, and even in other countries. REALLY, they should have bought the XT1225 Moto Turbo/Moto Maxx. They don't need CDMA, they don't need LTE band 13...
But if you are on Verizon, then I guess you want something like the Moto X Pure but with slightly higher specs? You want CDMA and LTE band 13?
Moto X Pure Edition wireless bands:
UMTS GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (800, 850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (B1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 20, 25, 28, 40, 41)
CDMA (800, 850, 1900 MHz)
Then you have two choices...
Either get the U.S. regional carrier version (like the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 was identical to the Droid Turbo XT1254) of the phone. Wonder what they will call it?
or go with the larger of the 2015 Nexus phones. It will also be 5.7", Snapdragon 810, it will have Verizon's bands, and be unlock-able. Just made by Huawei -- another Chinese company, not Lenovo/Motorola.

Pretty lackluster upgrade which just goes to show how great of a phone our Turbo is. My points...
SD810 is not much of an upgrade over our 805.
We still have a bigger battery.
RAM is probably DDR4 compared to DDR3 in ours but the extra bandwidth really isn't as big of an issue with us.
I'd much prefer our 5.2" display over a larger version.
Camera will be marginally better.
Yeah, maybe it will be able to have the bootloader unlocked sooner but I am more than content with Moto's Vanilla build + some root goodies. But looking purely at specs...our OG Turbo is going to stay relevant all the way until the wave of SD820 phones hit.

ChazzMatt said:
I'm very curious how accurate the leaks are on this aspect. Here's why... The X Play is 5.5" 1440p. Rumors are saying this Bounce is 5.43" 1440p. I'm wondering if it's actually the same display?
http://www.motorola.com/on/demandwa...la_WE-Site/en/Product-Show?pid=moto-x-play-we
Basically going to be an X Play with higher specs, same as the Quark was the 2014 Moto X with higher specs.
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The Play (Maxx 2) has a 5.5" 1080p screen, while the Force (Turbo 2) has 5.4" 1440p. Nice that both have large batteries (3630, 3760).
I wish that Moto would do for the Play and Force like they did for the Pure: sell a Verizon-compatible unlocked model via their site/Amazon/Best Buy/etc. The large screen and small battery kill the Pure for me. :/

pjd2011 said:
Pretty lackluster upgrade which just goes to show how great of a phone our Turbo is. My points...
SD810 is not much of an upgrade over our 805.
We still have a bigger battery.
RAM is probably DDR4 compared to DDR3 in ours but the extra bandwidth really isn't as big of an issue with us.
I'd much prefer our 5.2" display over a larger version.
Camera will be marginally better.
Yeah, maybe it will be able to have the bootloader unlocked sooner but I am more than content with Moto's Vanilla build + some root goodies. But looking purely at specs...our OG Turbo is going to stay relevant all the way until the wave of SD820 phones hit.
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EXACTLY.
and if I have to upgrade to larger display, 5.4" is preferable over 5.7". I will NEVER have a phone that big. These phone manufacturers need to realize while we wanted larger, HD displays there is a LIMIT. Many people want phones -- not 5.7", 5.9" phablets. 5.1" -5.3" is the sweet spot. If I wanted a Galaxy Note size phablet, I would have bought it.
I'm selling a 2015 5.5" LG G4 I won ( a free phone!) because overall it's not better than my 2014 XT1225. (Although I wish my Quark had the rear camera OIS and stereo speakers...)
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The Play (Maxx 2) has a 5.5" 1080p screen, while the Force (Turbo 2) has 5.4" 1440p. Nice that both have large batteries (3630, 3760).
I wish that Moto would do for the Play and Force like they did for the Pure: sell a Verizon-compatible unlocked model via their site/Amazon/Best Buy/etc. The large screen and small battery kill the Pure for me. :/
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5.5" and 5.4" are just other people's information. I'm asking how accurate is that information, especially the "Bounce" rumors? That's my point. Strange Motorola would make a unique size display size for one model. That' NOT manufacturing efficiency, and Motorola would NOT do that if they are smart.
Look at last year.... Both the 2014 Moto X (1080p) and 2014 Quarks (1440p) were 5.2" for a reason. Motorola could use the same equipment to cut, manufacture them. They were both built on the same framework. I'm guessing the X Play and "Bounce" will use the same paradigm.
I wonder when the phone is actually released if that display size isn't really the same as the X Play? Is the X play really 5.5" -- or did they round up from 5.4-something to call it 5.5"? Just like the 2013 LG Nexus 5 is REALLY 4.95" -- but most people just say 5"? Understand?
Display/monitor/TV manufacturers are allowed to round up fractions. 24.5" becomes 25" in the official specs. 59.5" becomes 60" all the time. Just because Motorola SAYS the X Play has 5.5" display doesn't mean it's REALLY a full 5.5".
I'm speculating the "Bounce"/X Force/Droid Turbo 2 will turn out to be the same size display as the X Play, but still with slightly larger battery. Already some sites are specifying 5.43" -- not 5.4". Well, 5.43" is LARGER THAN 5.4". We are getting into 5.5" range... Just like the X Play -- which may not be full 5.5".

i am skipping moto x force for sure.

ChazzMatt said:
EXACTLY.
and if I have to upgrade to larger display, 5.4" is preferable over 5.7". I will NEVER have a phone that big. These phone manufacturers need to realize while we wanted larger, HD displays there is a LIMIT. Many people want phones -- not 5.7", 5.9" phablets. 5.1" -5.3" is the sweet spot. If I wanted a Galaxy Note size phablet, I would have bought it.
I'm selling a 2015 5.5" LG G4 I won ( a free phone!) because overall it's not better than my 2014 XT1225. (Although I wish my Quark had the rear camera OIS and stereo speakers...)
5.5" and 5.4" are just other people's information. I'm asking how accurate is that information, especially the "Bounce" rumors? That's my point. Strange Motorola would make a unique size display size for one model. That' NOT manufacturing efficiency, and Motorola would NOT do that if they are smart.
Look at last year.... Both the 2014 Moto X (1080p) and 2014 Quarks (1440p) were 5.2" for a reason. Motorola could use the same equipment to cut, manufacture them. They were both built on the same framework. I'm guessing the X Play and "Bounce" will use the same paradigm.
I wonder when the phone is actually released if that display size isn't really the same as the X Play? Is the X play really 5.5" -- or did they round up from 5.4-something to call it 5.5"? Just like the 2013 LG Nexus 5 is REALLY 4.95" -- but most people just say 5"? Understand?
Display/monitor/TV manufacturers are allowed to round up fractions. 24.5" becomes 25" in the official specs. 59.5" becomes 60" all the time. Just because Motorola SAYS the X Play has 5.5" display doesn't mean it's REALLY a full 5.5".
I'm speculating the "Bounce"/X Force/Droid Turbo 2 will turn out to be the same size display as the X Play, but still with slightly larger battery. Already some sites are specifying 5.43" -- not 5.4". Well, 5.43" is LARGER THAN 5.4". We are getting into 5.5" range... Just like the X Play -- which may not be full 5.5".
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The Play's specs are already confirmed because the Play is already out. It's confirmed to have a 5.5" screen, a 1080p display, SD615, 2GB RAM, etc. It is a clear upgrade to the Droid Maxx, screensize opinions not-withstanding. SD615 + 1080p +2GB RAM are midrange specs nowadays.
The rurmored Force (Turbo 2) specs are all also an upgrade, or the same as, the Turbo 1 sans the battery size. SD810 + 1440p display + 3GB RAM are all higher-range specs.
I guess it's possible that the screen sizes might be the same (5.43" could be an error, but that's a really specific error), so they might use the same digitizer if the phone's front designs are the same, but the resolutions are totally different. Due to the different pixel densities, they would not be able to use the same LCD screen. Unless Moto makes a very, very odd move to downgrade the Force (Turbo 2) to 1080p from the Turbo 1's 1440p.

So no OIS right? I really like few things Moto does but its honestly so annoying when companies like HTC, Moto etc despite repeated yearly issues and consumer complaints does not improve and implement technology when most others are doing so to the point of it being considered standard.

gauravahluwalia said:
So no OIS right? I really like few things Moto does but its honestly so annoying when companies like HTC, Moto etc despite repeated yearly issues and consumer complaints does not improve and implement technology when most others are doing so to the point of it being considered standard.
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Especially since Google made them put rear camera OIS in the for the Moto Nexus 6. So, you know Motorla can do it.

moto x play its 5.5'' fits perfectly on the hand and its almost nothing bigger than moto maxx, you have to try it, i might post pictures.

Re: Unbreakable "bad" display
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...oid-turbo-2-will-have-an-unbreakable-display/
Report: Verizon Will Get A US Exclusive On The Moto X Play As The 'DROID Maxx 2,' DROID Turbo 2 Will Have An 'Unbreakable' Display
The report doesn't mention any specifics of the design or specs aside from this: the phone is expected to use a POLED display, an organic-LED screen design with a plastic substrate. This design was most notably used in LG's G-Flex phones, where the plastic properties allow the screen to be curved to a more extreme degree than conventional tempered glass or Gorilla Glass. The marketing spin on this will apparently be that the DROID Turbo 2's screen is "unbreakable." It's worth noting that POLED displays tend to carry noticeable drops in image quality compared to LCD and OLED.
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So I just got a turbo from Verizon. Would it be worth it to return it (I have 13 more days to do so) and wait until October or November when they release the turbo 2? The specs don't look that much different but the prospect of buying a phone that will have its successor available within a month of my purchase has me feeling off...

That's the head game that they play, it doesn't seem worth it to me.

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http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...oid-turbo-2-will-have-an-unbreakable-display/
Report: Verizon Will Get A US Exclusive On The Moto X Play As The 'DROID Maxx 2,' DROID Turbo 2 Will Have An 'Unbreakable' Display
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If they put a POLED display like the ones used in G-Flex or G-Flex 2, it will look like ****e for sure. POLED is the worst display type i've seen in any mobile phones until now, that include departments like color accuracy off, yellow spots like sperms in random places, grainy images and texts, overall lower brightness..It have a big chance of bringing the infamous mura effect of the older generation oled displays as well as low refresh rates which causes the images follow itself like a shadow.(remember old crt tv's ) I hope motorola doesn't put bad a bad poled display like lg used in their g-flex series. It was a very bad experience compared to Droid Turbo's fantastic display.

Nexus 5x vs Moto x variants

Since some people seem to think Nexus 5x is overpriced/underspec'ed and think that the Moto x play or style are more viable options, what are some of your reasons for getting one or the other?
I personally pre-ordered the Nexus 5x but am reconsidering because the Moto X play is similarly sized but with a bigger screen, expandable storage (32 gb may not be enough or pushing is close), and way bigger battery.
Let me and the rest of the community know your for and against for each.

For Nexus 5X: Finger print scanner. Guaranteed updates for a long time - unlike moto X 2014 on at&t (not getting 6.0) - which for me is a huge deal and causes me to distrust Motorola. Smaller form factor. Better camera in low light (I'm hoping, but it sounds like it will be).
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Endoran said:
For Nexus 5X: Finger print scanner. Guaranteed updates for a long time - unlike moto X 2014 on at&t (not getting 6.0) - which for me is a huge deal and causes me to distrust Motorola. Smaller form factor. Better camera in low light (I'm hoping, but it sounds like it will be).
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Verizon Moto X isn't getting it either. Even the Moto E was axed. That's really bad that phones only a year old is not going to get the update. Like you, I really lost respect for Moto
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Guaranteed updates with 5x and is of now no development on the moto

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Verizon Moto X isn't getting it either. Even the Moto E was axed. That's really bad that phones only a year old is not going to get the update. Like you, I really lost respect for Moto
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Moto E was just released this year, and its not getting 6.0. That's real sad, for me its a no brainer to go the Nexus route.

Endoran said:
For Nexus 5X: Finger print scanner. Guaranteed updates for a long time - unlike moto X 2014 on at&t (not getting 6.0) - which for me is a huge deal and causes me to distrust Motorola. Smaller form factor. Better camera in low light (I'm hoping, but it sounds like it will be).
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Thats interesting I didn't notice that Moto left out the Moto x 2014 from the update list. Maybe it will be added later? Or did they explicitly say it will be left out? Also the Moto X play was the intriguing phone for me since it's practically the same size (within 3 mm in all dimensions). But way bigger battery, storage and screen (bittersweet, may be too big).
Nexus 5x for me has better screen size but still bigger footprint than size suggests. Also 32 gb may be too little especially with increasing app size. Updates are key to me.

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Thats interesting I didn't notice that Moto left out the Moto x 2014 from the update list. Maybe it will be added later? Or did they explicitly say it will be left out? Also the Moto X play was the intriguing phone for me since it's practically the same size (within 3 mm in all dimensions). But way bigger battery, storage and screen (bittersweet, may be too big).
Nexus 5x for me has better screen size but still bigger footprint than size suggests. Also 32 gb may be too little especially with increasing app size. Updates are key to me.
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If timely updates are key to you, then the Nexus, all the way.
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aamir123 said:
Thats interesting I didn't notice that Moto left out the Moto x 2014 from the update list. Maybe it will be added later? Or did they explicitly say it will be left out? Also the Moto X play was the intriguing phone for me since it's practically the same size (within 3 mm in all dimensions). But way bigger battery, storage and screen (bittersweet, may be too big).
Nexus 5x for me has better screen size but still bigger footprint than size suggests. Also 32 gb may be too little especially with increasing app size. Updates are key to me.
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The 2014 pure is getting the update but not any of the carrier ones.
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Verizon Moto X 2014 user here. Just submitted my 5X order. Done with Motorola after this recent experience.
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The 2014 pure is getting the update but not any of the carrier ones.
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Yeah people that bought the carrier moto X should have seen that coming. The moto X pure was released for a reason. The carrier version was for people on a budget that wanted a decent performing smartphone and didn't care about rooting or Android version numbers
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Moto X is too big. The Nexus 5 is too big as well but it is closer to a phone than a phablet.

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Moto X is too big. The Nexus 5 is too big as well but it is closer to a phone than a phablet.
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Actually if you look at the spec list and even the phone arena size compare tool with overlap you will notice that the Moto X play is only very very close to the footprint of the 5x but with a bigger screen and its thicker but has micro sd slot. Only thing that doesnt seem great is the performance which is hit or miss for some. It even has CMod.
Also I pre ordered the 5x as well so I'm not here to sing praise but I noticed the X play and wanted to get people's opinions.

TL;DR - I'm returning the Moto X Pure (for now) in order to give the Nexus 5X a shot.
Here's my opinion on 5X vs Moto X (2015 Pure in my case).
I'll start off saying that I've become incredibly picky with finding the perfect phone for me, or at least close enough. There's no such thing as the perfect phone for everyone.
My general requirements (desires) are:
Decent processor/storage/battery/camera. Top notch specs aren't required.
Rooted and unlocked bootloader or the ability to flash custom roms if not fully unlocked
Stock or close to stock android or CM12.x
Compatible with Verizon (still have unlimited and not giving it up)
I'm coming from an LG G2 (Verizon VS980) which I ran from 11/2014 until 09/2015. It was rooted and running CM12/12.1 or a variant. It ran great, few complaints other than battery life (a little over 3hr SOT max, often less). 32gb was never an issue for my usage and I don't do any gaming so top spec'd processor doesn't really matter as long as normal OS navigation is smooth and fast.
I preordered the G4, but the lack of development and having to run LG's skin turned me away. I also had issues with missed touches and some strange screen glitching that appeared to be related to defective HW. I returned this and went back to the G2.
I thought the Moto X Pure (2015) would be perfect. It has a good processor, battery and camera. The fast charging is fantastic and gets me from 20ish% to full on my 45+ min commute using a QC 2.0 Anker car charger. I love the weight and the feel of the device, feels premium to me. But it's a bit too large even though I have large hands and can grip fully around the device without issue. 5.2-5.5 is the sweet spot for me. I've been experiencing a lot of lag, and honestly the G2 feels a lot faster. I didn't expect to have lag with the Moto X especially since it's mostly stock Android. I also haven't had good battery life even being rooted, unlocked and running greenify along with some other wakelock-reducing tweaks (wifi, BT, location are always on and I don't turn off syncing of anything in my google account). Phone is off the charger daily around 5-5:30am and while I have the ability to charge at work and to/from work, if I don't, I get around 18hrs off the charger and MAX of 3hrs SOT. Maybe that's good, but it just doesn't seem to cut it for me.
I'm going with the 5X in hopes that the size will feel better, the 1080p won't draw as much power so the downsizing from 3000 to 2700mah will be a moot point. I think the camera will live up to my expectations. I'm into photography and have a Canon 6D along with some nice L glass that I pull out when I need a good photo. Since I don't do any gaming or run apps that really hog any memory, I don't expect the 2gb RAM to be an issue (it was fine on the G2).
I should know soon enough if the 5X will be the right phone for me. I'm optimistic, but if it's not, then I'll be able to compare to the Moto X Pure and decide to keep the 5X or to repurchase the Moto X Pure. They're the only 2 phones on the market that seem to meet my criteria.
My apologies for the long-winded reply, but hopefully this will help someone else.

aamir123 said:
Actually if you look at the spec list and even the phone arena size compare tool with overlap you will notice that the Moto X play is only very very close to the footprint of the 5x but with a bigger screen and its thicker but has micro sd slot. Only thing that doesnt seem great is the performance which is hit or miss for some. It even has CMod.
Also I pre ordered the 5x as well so I'm not here to sing praise but I noticed the X play and wanted to get people's opinions.
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I'm on of those who had a bad experience with the Moto X Play. Some tell me theirs has no lag at all, mine lags for the most simple tasks. Swiping down the quick toggles while inside Google Play Music is the worst. I can't recommend it.

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I'm on of those who had a bad experience with the Moto X Play. Some tell me theirs has no lag at all, mine lags for the most simple tasks. Swiping down the quick toggles while inside Google Play Music is the worst. I can't recommend it.
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On my 2nd gen X (att... Not pure) I had a lot of those issues. Notifications and recent are by far the worst. Actually caused me to sell it and go back to N5
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met152 said:
TL;DR - I'm returning the Moto X Pure (for now) in order to give the Nexus 5X a shot.
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agree 100% what you said in the long post. Our priorities and values are in line. But I am coming from a moto x dev

I'm having the same difficulty deciding as well. I think performance will be mostly equal as will battery. I never cared about a finger print scanner, and the updates will be not that far away from each other (i'm confident moto will have it by month's end, which might beat some peoples Nexus 5x/6p shipments). The biggest thing here for me will be the moto add ons like moto voice, turbopower charger and front speakers compared to the Nexus 5x's smaller yet preferred size and most likely better camera.
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unlike moto X 2014 on at&t (not getting 6.0) - which for me is a huge deal and causes me to distrust Motorola.
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Like you, I really lost respect for Moto
Sent from my Nexus 5
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OK first of all those are CARRIER decisions that Moto has nothing to do with. Which is why the are releasing it for the Pure Editions (which they control). Blaming moto isn't fair, blame your carriers.
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I'm going with the 5X in hopes that the size will feel better said:
First the Nexus 5 was my favorite phone of all time. I still miss it. BUT it obviously had some shortcomings. Battery life wasn't one of it's strong points and even though 6.0 will be more efficient I'm going to be in the camp that if you were not happy with 18hrs/3hr SOT then you won't be happy with the 5X battery time is my guess. I'm really torn myself, I think I'm going to skip over this round and wait until the 820 SoC phones come out.
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OK first of all those are CARRIER decisions that Moto has nothing to do with. Which is why the are releasing it for the Pure Editions (which they control). Blaming moto isn't fair, blame your carriers.
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Why should I blame the carriers when I had the Pure? They were slow after 5.0 and that's a problem
Sent from my Nexus 5

Alot of those Moto perks were likely determined/designed while Google still owned Moto. Now that they dont, I'd be very wary of them keeping it up down the line past a year. Of course, most of you will have a new phone by then anyways.

Droid Turbo 3 + international variants

Verizon said to launch two new monster DROIDs this year (2016)
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/05/02/droid-turbo-3-droid-maxx-3-verizon-motorola/
Droid Turbo 3 + international variants coming this October (2016). THAT will be interesting. I was not impressed by the 2015 Kinzie series (Droid Turbo 2/Moto X Force) and stayed on the Quark -- but possibly the next generation will be as innovative as the 2014 Quark (Droid Turbo/Moto Turbo/Moto Maxx).
All that is confirmed so far are the Droid Turbo 3 (premium top tier) and Droid Maxx (mid tier, like last year -- not to be confused with the premium Moto Maxx which was the Droid Turbo under another name) are coming. Which means the SAME DEVICES are coming under other model names for people who don't need CDMA and want unlock-able bootloaders.
Droid Turbo = Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo.
Droid Turbo 2 = Moto X Force.
Droid Turbo 3 = ?
All specs are pure speculation in various articles about what they SHOULD have. (One article even says 6GB RAM for the Turbo 3, which I don't believe.) Seriously, all that's been confirmed are the two phone series (top tier, mid tier) are in the works for 4th quarter and the Verizon names, but not the other variant names. At this point, I don't even know the series code names (like Quark, Kinzie).
Hopefully, they will keep Qi wireless charging and even add rear camera OIS.
I'm keeping my Quarks until at least then, to see what they release.
By the way, the new phones usually hit the FCC for testing in August, even though they are not launched until October. So, there will be more info leaks by then.
For the 2014 Quarks,
I ordered my first Moto Maxx XT1225 off eBay from Puerto Rico I think in November 2014.
I bought my 2nd one thanks to @Jaocagomez from Mexico in December 2014. (Shipped straight from Motorola factory in China to Mexico, then re-shipped to my U.S. address.) Motorola was having a "Christmas sale" at the time, so I got a good price. My wife is using it.
I bought my 3rd one, which is just a backup for our first two, earlier this year also off eBay.
I bought all those because the Quark was basically a 5.2" version of the 2014 Moto Nexus 6 and the actual Nexus 6 whale was too big.

4gb of ram or 6gb doesnt seem to wild for a late 2016 device, note 6 its expected to have 6gb

oh...how did they say the MM on the xt1254? X Force seems didn't saled well in China.

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4gb of ram or 6gb doesnt seem to wild for a late 2016 device, note 6 its expected to have 6gb
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Sure, 4GB. I was just skeptical of 6GB...
But if the 2016 Galaxy Note is really going to have 6GB, then so will the Turbo 3 and international variants.
I see the 2016 Note 3 will supposedly have Snapdragon 823. That SoC will be released in the 2nd half of this year.

Motorola’s Moto X Brand Dies to Give Way to Lenovo’s Moto Z
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Motorola’s Moto X Brand Dies to Give Way to Lenovo’s Moto Z
http://www.xda-developers.com/motorola-moto-x-dies-to-give-way-to-lenovo-moto-z/
But there STILL will be a Droid Turbo 3, I'm betting -- with INTERNATIONAL variant the rest of us can use. 4th Quarter, just like the last two years.

Since the 2016 versions of "Moto X Style" and "Moto X Play" -- to be officially announced June 9, 2016 -- are going to be called "Moto Z Style" and "Moto Z Play", the 2016 version of the Moto X Force will probably be the "Moto Z Force" (a.k.a "Droid Turbo 3").
Of course Lenovo won't talk about that end-of-year premium phone next week. Next week is a sales pitch to convince the suckers to buy these other phones.
The "good" stuff will be reserved for 4th quarter, just like the previous two years (2014 Quark and 2015 Kinzie).

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Since the 2016 versions of "Moto X Style" and "Moto X Play" -- to be officially announced June 9, 2016 -- are going to be called "Moto Z Style" and "Moto Z Play", the 2016 version of the Moto X Force will probably be the "Moto Z Force" (a.k.a "Droid Turbo 3").
Of course Lenovo won't talk about that end-of-year premium phone next week. Next week is a sales pitch to convince the suckers to buy these other phones.
The "good" stuff will be reserved for 4th quarter, just like the previous two years (2014 Quark and 2015 Kinzie).
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Do you still have hope that Lenovo will do something decent? I was kind of sad after I saw the leaks and the pictures of the latest moto "z" lineup. It's like they managed to [email protected] up every line model Motorola had.
Plus If you add to that the painfully slow updates it's like a big no for me.

ZTE AXON 7 - almost perfect!
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Do you still have hope that Lenovo will do something decent?
I was kind of sad after I saw the leaks and the pictures of the latest moto "z" lineup.
It's like they managed to [email protected] up every line model Motorola had.
Plus If you add to that the painfully slow updates it's like a big no for me.
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I agree about the Moto Z design. It's like they stuck a postage stamp fingerprint sensor at the bottom with crazy glue.
For the Moto Z Force, Droid Turbo 3, I'm hoping they will keep the 1440p AMOLED display and fix what was deficient in the 2014 Quarks, not what was not. In the 2015 Kinzie they did not add rear camera OIS nor stereo speakers, but instead added that gimmicky plastic display thingy -- which actually picked up MORE scratches.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/zte-axon-7-hands-694960/
Read the specs (below) on the new ZTE Axon 7.
1440p AMOLED display. Snapdragon 820. Tons of LTE bands. Rear camera OIS, stereo speakers. In-display fingerprint sensor! (NOT just stuck at the bottom to take up space.)
Comes with either 4GB RAM/64 GB or 6GB RAM/128GB configuration. Both have microSD expansion. $450 for the minimum configuration. Unbelievable.
Add Qi wireless, IR sensors, 4000 mAh battery and that's the phone I want to be the Moto Z Force.
Lots of other great stuff -- on screen fingerprint sensor (not one that takes up space at the bottom of the phone), and a dual sim card slot for people who travel a lot. Just needs Qi wireless charging, bigger battery, and IR sensors.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/26/11765102/zte-axon-7-specs-price-launch
The new phone has Qualcomm's highest-end processor, 4 or 6GB of RAM, a quad HD AMOLED display, metal chassis, quick charging, and a new dual-speaker system with Dolby surround sound. You might expect to pay upwards of $600 or $700 for a device with those specs, but ZTE says the new phone will cost under $500 when it arrives in the US in the coming weeks.
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http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/zte-axon-7-1322212/review
And while it has enough bands to support all US phone networks, it'll only work with AT&T and T-Mobile SIM cards for now. Verizon and Sprint compatibility is due "possibly later in the year," resting in the hands of the two CDMA carriers to flip the switch. All of the antennas are inside - this isn't just a GSM phone.
The good news here is that it's packed with 64GB of internal storage and will cost $449 (about £340, AU$691). You won't have to deal with a pesky two-year (or any) contract for that price.
ZTE Axon 7 review
There's also a 128GB ZTE Axon 7, which includes the company's own take on a "Force Touch" display, an always-on screen and 6GB of RAM. That makes it faster than the Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge
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SEE? Lenovo, you can do this for the 2016 "Moto Z Force"/Droid Turbo 3!

@ChazzMatt it's happening
http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/9/11889076/lenovo-moto-z-mod-smartphone-specs-announcement
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fedecape said:
@ChazzMatt it's happening
http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/9/11889076/lenovo-moto-z-mod-smartphone-specs-announcement
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Moto Z Force. Rear camera OIS. Good!
Qi charging? All I can find is a "mod" add-on with Qi charging, but thats for an extended battery pack. I'm hoping the bare phone also has Qi and they just aren't detailing it yet.
I am very surprised they are announcing the Moto Z Force this early in the year. I expected it 4th quarter.
So, no "Droid Turbo 3" -- instead Moto Z Force Droid Edition, with an UNLOCKED Moto Z Force to be sold at retailers like Best Buy.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Motorola-Moto-Z-Force-hands-on_id82031
Pricing, release date, and expectations
No pricing or release dates were offered at Lenovo Tech World, but with flagships packing new goodies typically come flagship prices. The new Moto Z series will be a Verizon exclusive in the US at launch this summer, carrying on the Droid line-up for Big Red as the Moto Z Droid Edition and Moto Z Force Droid Edition. Later in the year, Motorola says that unlocked models will be available for sale through retailers like Best Buy
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10409/motorola-moto-z-and-moto-z-force
Of course, that means no dev work until the UNLOCKED versions are released. Wonder if they will have Verizon CDMA/LTE bands?
I'm very surprised the premium Moto Z Force is being announced this early in the year. The last two years Motorola released it 4th quarter, after all the suckers bought the regular Moto X phones with lesser specs.
Has laser assisted autofocus rear camera with OIS. Good.
However looks like the only way to get Qi wireless charging is to buy the add-on extended battery pack mod. BAD. I'm hoping the bare phone also has Qi charging and they just are not mentioning it yet. Yet, with the extended battery pack (with Qi) you would have 3500 mAh + 2200 mAh = 5700 mAh battery.
Motorola Has Four Moto Mods Ready To Launch Alongside Moto Z, More Coming Later
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...s-ready-launch-alongside-moto-z-coming-later/
Battery
Motorola's Incipio offGRID Power Pack seems like the most appealing Mod. It adds a 2200mAh battery and 6.2mm of thickness. There's a standard and wireless charging version of this battery that weigh 79g and 85g, respectively. The wireless version works with both Qi and PMA pads.
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https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-mods/incipio-offgrid-power-pack
Also the "shatter shield" is much improved and not as gimmicky as last year's Kinzie.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/06/09/moto-z-and-z-force-hands-on/
And unlike the Droid Turbo 2 (which, by the way, survived being run over by my car), the ShatterShield setup here doesn't seem to require a thick plastic screen protector anymore.
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Moto Z Force. Rear camera OIS. Qi charging?
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I don't think so, no Wireless Charging. http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_z_force-8093.php
Also, expect Android N in April 2017

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I don't think so, no Wireless Charging. http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_z_force-8093.php
Also, expect Android N in April 2017
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No "Droid Turbo 3". but instead "Moto Z Force Droid Edition". At least there won't be arguments over XDA forum names -- it will be Moto Z Force, not matter what.
The "unlocked" version will be sold at retailers like Best Buy in the fall. So, we in the U.S don't have to go another country to get them (like Quark and Kinzie). THAT's when the dev work will begin, when the unlockable bootloader versions come out. Wonder if they will also have Verizon bands?
You can add Qi with a 2200 extended battery pack mod, so you would have Qi and a 5700 mAh battery.

Overall , I'm not that impressed. They finally added rear camera OIS, but not stereo. And they took away Qi wireless. And they also took away the headset port.
To get Qi wireless back, I need to buy an add on mod.
To get stereo speakers, I need to buy an add on mod.
But wait, I can't have stereo speakers and Qi at the same time.
Why not give me Qi wireless, stereo speakers and rear camera OIS all at the same time -- already built in -- just like you did with the Moto Nexus 6?
Could have been an awesome, awesome phone -- but they seem more intent on selling you mods.

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Overall , I'm not that impressed. They finally added rear camera OIS, but not stereo. And they took away Qi wireless. And they also took away the headset port.
To get Qi wireless back, I need to buy an add on mod.
To get stereo speakers, I need to buy an add on mod.
But wait, I can't have stereo speakers and Qi at the same time.
Why not give me Qi wireless, stereo speakers and rear camera OIS all at the same time -- already built in -- just like you did with the Moto Nexus 6?
Could have been an awesome, awesome phone -- but they seem more intent on selling you mods.
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A shame, really. I like the design, and I was willing to stand Marshmallow for a long time in exchange for an awesome phone.
A few other things worth mentioning:
I understand that the headphone jack has to go, so I get that. Still, I'd have preferred a phone that's just a tiny bit thicker but with a 4A battery (like my Quark).
Another thing I am not so exited about is the screen size. I tend to prefer smaller phones. This 5.5" panel with big bezels for fingerprint scanner and an ugly Moto logo doesn't sound (again) too exciting.
Regarding QI - that's another downgrade.
I'm glad they fixed the camera, and I hope that these "mods" don't end up forgotten like LG's gimmicky "friends"
It would have to really blow my mind in person for me to consider it. I think I'm waiting for Google to refresh the Nexus lineup.
I'm honestly sad. The 2014 Turbo has spoiled us. Doubt I'll feel as satisfied as I felt back then - even with meh camera and slow updates.
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Right. An "updated" 5.2"-5.3" Moto Nexus 6 (Shamu) with on-display fingerprint scanner (like the ZTE Axon 7 has) would be perfect phone.
Motorola could make THAT phone. It doesn't have to be a Nexus, just saying the Moto Nexus 6 would be the blueprint as it has the Qi, IR, stereo speakers, rear camera OIS features. Basically a Shamu in Quark size -- with updated Snapdragon chipset is what we want.

November 13, 2016
Alleged Moto Turbo 3 renders with 16 MP Hasselblad Camera surface online
http://www.androidpure.com/alleged-moto-turbo-3-renders-16-mp-hasselblad-camera-surface-online/

Droid Turbo 3 + international variants

Posted in the other Quark forum, but I know some of you don't even know where that is...
This is to discuss the Droid Turbo 3/Moto Z Force coming at the end of the year.
The 2015 Kinzie was a disappointing successor the Quark. It didn't fix what was wrong and added something not needed.
There will be a "Droid Turbo 3" in the 4th quarter, as well as international variant -- just like the last two years. Don't know the code name yet, but here's hoping they don't mess it up. This new ZTE Axon 7 is very much what I hope the "premium" top tier end of year phone will be...
ChazzMatt said:
Since the 2016 versions of "Moto X Style" and "Moto X Play" -- to be officially announced June 9, 2016 -- are going to be called "Moto Z Style" and "Moto Z Play", the 2016 version of the Moto X Force will probably be the "Moto Z Force" (a.k.a "Droid Turbo 3").
Of course Lenovo won't talk about that end-of-year premium phone next week. Next week is a sales pitch to convince the suckers to buy these other phones.
The "good" stuff will be reserved for 4th quarter, just like the previous two years (2014 Quark and 2015 Kinzie).
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monza1412 said:
Do you still have hope that Lenovo will do something decent?
I was kind of sad after I saw the leaks and the pictures of the latest moto "z" lineup.
It's like they managed to [email protected] up every line model Motorola had.
Plus If you add to that the painfully slow updates it's like a big no for me.
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I agree about the Moto Z design. It's like they stuck a postage stamp fingerprint sensor at the bottom with crazy glue.
For the Moto Z Force/Droid Turbo 3, I'm hoping they will keep the 1440p AMOLED display and fix what was deficient in the 2014 Quarks, not what was not. In the 2015 Kinzie they did not add rear camera OIS nor stereo speakers, but instead added that gimmicky plastic display thingy -- which actually picked up MORE scratches.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/zte-axon-7-hands-694960/
Read the specs (below) on the new ZTE Axon 7.
1440p AMOLED display. Snapdragon 820. Tons of LTE bands. Rear camera OIS, stereo speakers. In-display fingerprint sensor! (NOT just stuck at the bottom to take up space.)
Comes with either 4GB RAM/64 GB or 6GB RAM/128GB configuration. Both have microSD expansion. $450 for the minimum configuration. Unbelievable.
Add Qi wireless, IR sensors, 4000 mAh battery and that's the phone I want to be the Moto Z Force.
Lots of other great stuff -- on screen fingerprint sensor (not one that takes up space at the bottom of the phone), and a dual sim card slot for people who travel a lot. Just needs Qi wireless charging, bigger battery, and IR sensors.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/26/11765102/zte-axon-7-specs-price-launch
The new phone has Qualcomm's highest-end processor, 4 or 6GB of RAM, a quad HD AMOLED display, metal chassis, quick charging, and a new dual-speaker system with Dolby surround sound. You might expect to pay upwards of $600 or $700 for a device with those specs, but ZTE says the new phone will cost under $500 when it arrives in the US in the coming weeks.
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http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/zte-axon-7-1322212/review
And while it has enough bands to support all US phone networks, it'll only work with AT&T and T-Mobile SIM cards for now. Verizon and Sprint compatibility is due "possibly later in the year," resting in the hands of the two CDMA carriers to flip the switch. All of the antennas are inside - this isn't just a GSM phone.
The good news here is that it's packed with 64GB of internal storage and will cost $449 (about £340, AU$691). You won't have to deal with a pesky two-year (or any) contract for that price.
ZTE Axon 7 review
There's also a 128GB ZTE Axon 7, which includes the company's own take on a "Force Touch" display, an always-on screen and 6GB of RAM. That makes it faster than the Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge
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SEE? Lenovo, you can do this for the 2016 "Moto Z Force"/Droid Turbo 3!

I'm betting for an amoled quad display but I think that the plastic thingy is here to stay, specially in the all terrain droid/force line. I don't imagine them dropping that marketing thing soon, maybe they will improve something in it, less layers, not so scratchable, I don't know. They have to come with something big to justify the $650+ price tag.
I think the camera will be improved, I saw that the new moto g has a new application for it (that's like a 80% of improvement), more customizable, but I have my doubts about the stereo speakers. Probably, It will also have a water splash certification or something like that.
Maybe, It will be more than one/two Droid models, following the trend that Lenovo has implemented this year...

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I'm betting for an amoled quad display but I think that the plastic thingy [emoji14] is here to stay, specially in the all terrain droid/force line. I don't imagine them dropping that marketing thing soon, maybe they will improve something in it, less layers, not so scratchable, I don't know. They have to come with something big to justify the $650+ price tag.
I think the camera will be improved, I saw that the new moto g has a new application for it (that's like a 80% of improvement), more customizable, but I have my doubts about the stereo speakers. Probably, It will also have a water splash certification or something like that.
Maybe, It will be more than one/two Droid models, following the trend that Lenovo has implemented this year...
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I am very impressed by that ZTE Axon 7, especially the 6GB RAM/128GB variant with Force Touch display.
If only it had Qi wireless charging, I might even forgo the bigger battery.
I don't need no stinkin' add on modules Lenovo is trying to foist on us in the "Moto Z" line! Just make the phone good enough to begin with! It's like a car manufacturer saying, "Oh, you want a steering wheel with that?" "Oh, you want tires with that?" The 2014 Quark just needed a couple of items like rear camera OIS and stereo speakers to match the Moto Nexus 6 in specs. And it was already the perfect size and had 1440p AMOELD display with IR sensors. Motorola was SO close! I don't know why they can't see that.
LG's add-on modules are also silly, and they dropped Qi wireless from the G5. And I was big LG fan.
So, I will wait for end of the year and see what Lenovo manages to do with end-of-year phone -- as well as look at the Nexus models.
But Google screwed up the last two years, so I'm not confident. First, in 2014 Google went WAY too big, and then for 2015 they dropped Qi wireless. Samsung has Qi wireless, it's like they are the only ones with sense! I don't care if you have fast plug in charging -- it's not either/or, you can have both!
I may be keeping the Quarks until 2017...

maybe is time to go to sammys camp...
Inside is a Snapdragon 820 processor, 4GB of RAM, 32GB of storage, a 12MP rear camera, a MicroSD card slot, NFC, wireless charging, and a 5.1-inch quad HD screen - all of which match the vanilla Galaxy S7. The "Active" upgrades add a shatter-resistant screen, IP68 and MIL STD 810G ratings for water, dirt, and temperature resistance, and an FM tuner. An "Activity Key" can be bound to a selection of apps based on hold and tap patterns. The physical home button, flanked by two physical nav buttons, hides a fingerprint sensor.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...d-flagship-4000mah-battery-landing-june-10th/
too bad is damn expensive, bootloader locked (like forever), and the colors are meh...but hey 4000mAh

monza1412 said:
maybe is time to go to sammys camp...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...d-flagship-4000mah-battery-landing-june-10th/
too bad is damn expensive, bootloader locked (like forever), and the colors are meh...but hey 4000mAh
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I don't know....I don't think it is $800 better than our phone and ours is unlocked.
Also that ZTE phone has a 20 MP SAMSUNG camera in it but this new SAMSUNG phone only has a 12MP camera. Whats that about!? They can't put in their own camera?

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I don't know....I don't think it is $800 better than our phone and ours is unlocked.
Also that ZTE phone has a 20 MP SAMSUNG camera in it but this new SAMSUNG phone only has a 12MP camera. Whats that about!? They can't put in their own camera?
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Supposedly the active has the same camera than the S7, that it's consider one of the best at the moment, for the ZTE we will have to wait for reviews, it's not only the megapixels that comes into play here.

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Supposedly the active has the same camera than the S7, that it's consider one of the best at the moment, for the ZTE we will have to wait for reviews, it's not only the megapixels that comes into play here.
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also ZTE has rear carmera OIS. If the Samsung has it, I overlooked it.
BUT, the Samsung has the missing Qi wireless charging and 4000 mAh battery the ZTE needs.
If Motorola can combine all that into one phone, that would be perfect.

ZTE won't have our beloved Motorola features at their's best. It's just another China-phone on steroids, like "OnePlus-flagman-killer"
I would expect low grade Android optimization to powerful hardware, and all kind of childish diseases, or abc problems, screw up at basics, or how it will be in English )

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ZTE won't have our beloved Motorola features at their's best. It's just another China-phone on steroids, like "OnePlus-flagman-killer"
I would expect low grade Android optimization to powerful hardware, and all kind of childish diseases, or abc problems, screw up at basics, or how it will be in English )
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ZDNET is trying to get hold of a ZTE Axon 7 for review, so we'll see...
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Indeed, there are other nice smartphones from China, such as the recently announced ZTE Axon 7 (which we hope to have in-house shortly).
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OR look at the Vivo Xplay 5 Elite... It just topped the speed tests on Antutu for May, 2016.
Top 10 fastest smartphones: Surprise! Apple and Samsung are nowhere near the top
http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-top-10-fastest-smartphones-list-contains-some-unexpected-surprises/
Interestingly, the top three smartphones are all powered by the Snapdragon 820 chipset, and have 6GB of RAM, while the top four are all from Chinese manufacturers.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/viv...-ram-snapdragon-820-dual-edge-display-677287/
The Vivo Xplay 5 specs also include the Snapdragon 820, 128 GB of internal storage and a 5.43-inch QHD dual-edge Super AMOLED display just like the Galaxy S7.
The Vivo Xplay 5 features a metal unibody design, fingerprint scanner, fast-charging 3,600 mAh battery and Hi-Fi 3.0 dual stereo speakers (with FM radio, even). With a specs sheet like this and a price tag around $650, you have to ask yourself: did Vivo just make a cheaper Galaxy S7 Edge?
The answer is likely “no” but you do have to be impressed with the Xplay 5 on paper. Of course, history and experience has shown us time and time again that you can’t trust a trust a specs sheet to predict real-life performance
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So, they echo your concerns about Android optimization. :good:
But I don't want an ZTE Axon 7 or a Vivo Xplay 5 Elite -- I want Motorola/Lenovo to do a phone like THAT! Here's two Chinese phones with 1440p AMOLED Motorola should closely emulate. All those specs (CPU,GPU, RAM, internal storage, resolution), including rear camera OIS, dual stereo speakers -- and throw in the Qi wireless (which only Samsung still seems to be doing and hopefully Motorola) + the 4,000 mAh battery of the Galaxy S7 Active.

ChazzMatt said:
But I don't want an ZTE Axon 7 or a Vivo Xplay 5 Elite -- I want Motorola/Lenovo to do a phone like THAT! Here's two Chinese phones with 1440p AMOLED Motorola should closely emulate. All those specs (CPU,GPU, RAM, internal storage, resolution), including rear camera OIS, dual stereo speakers -- and throw in the Qi wireless (which only Samsung still seems to be doing and hopefully Motorola) + the 4,000 mAh battery of the Galaxy S7 Active.
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Don't forget IR sensors

well ChazzMatt....there you have it:
The Moto Z Force uses the same specifications and basic design as the Moto Z, but it adds on the "Shattershield" technology from the DROID Turbo 2, a larger 3500mAh battery, and proprietary fast charging that can (according to Lenovo) add 15 hours of runtime with just 15 minutes of charging. The Z Force is compatible with MotoMod accessories, but it can also be customized on Moto Maker like the older Moto X series.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...-editions-a-halfhearted-reveal-at-tech-world/
simply disgusting.

Just few snap-on modules, like projector, or external stereo speakers, and they bring that Ashton Kutcher (looking as SJ) saying "we reinvented smartphone's platform" :laugh:
Well, let's wait reviews of real-world usage this thing.

Moto X Force Droid Edition, not "Droid Turbo 3"
So, no "Droid Turbo 3" -- instead Moto Z Force Droid Edition, with an UNLOCKED Moto Z Force to be sold at retailers like Best Buy.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Motorola-Moto-Z-Force-hands-on_id82031
Pricing, release date, and expectations
No pricing or release dates were offered at Lenovo Tech World, but with flagships packing new goodies typically come flagship prices. The new Moto Z series will be a Verizon exclusive in the US at launch this summer, carrying on the Droid line-up for Big Red as the Moto Z Droid Edition and Moto Z Force Droid Edition. Later in the year, Motorola says that unlocked models will be available for sale through retailers like Best Buy
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10409/motorola-moto-z-and-moto-z-force
The "unlocked" version will be sold at retailers like Best Buy in the fall. So, we in the U.S don't have to go another country to get them (like Quark and Kinzie). THAT's when the dev work will begin, when the unlockable bootloader versions come out. Wonder if they will also have Verizon bands?
At least there won't be arguments over XDA forum names -- it will be Moto Z Force, not matter what.
I'm very surprised the premium Moto Z Force is being announced this early in the year. The last two years Motorola released it 4th quarter, after all the suckers bought the regular Moto X phones with lesser specs.
Has laser assisted autofocus rear camera with OIS. Good.
However looks like the only way to get Qi wireless charging is to buy the add-on extended battery pack mod? BAD. I'm hoping the bare phone also has Qi charging and they just are not mentioning it yet. Yet, with the extended battery pack (with Qi) you would have 3500 mAh + 2200 mAh = 5700 mAh battery.
Motorola Has Four Moto Mods Ready To Launch Alongside Moto Z, More Coming Later
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...s-ready-launch-alongside-moto-z-coming-later/
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Motorola's Incipio offGRID Power Pack seems like the most appealing Mod. It adds a 2200mAh battery and 6.2mm of thickness. There's a standard and wireless charging version of this battery that weigh 79g and 85g, respectively. The wireless version works with both Qi and PMA pads.
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https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-mods/incipio-offgrid-power-pack
Also the "shatter shield" is much improved and not as gimmicky as last year's Kinzie.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/06/09/moto-z-and-z-force-hands-on/
And unlike the Droid Turbo 2 (which, by the way, survived being run over by my car), the ShatterShield setup here doesn't seem to require a thick plastic screen protector anymore.
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monza1412 said:
well ChazzMatt....there you have it:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...-editions-a-halfhearted-reveal-at-tech-world/
simply disgusting.
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Overall , I'm not that impressed. They finally added rear camera OIS, but not stereo. And they took away Qi wireless. And they also took away the headset port.
To get Qi wireless back, I need to buy an add on mod.
To get stereo speakers, I need to buy an add on mod.
But wait, I can't have stereo speakers and Qi at the same time.
Why not give me Qi wireless, stereo speakers and rear camera OIS all at the same time -- already built in -- just like you did with the Moto Nexus 6?
Could have been an awesome, awesome phone -- but they seem more intent on selling you mods.

Fyi the unlocked model won't be compatible with Verizon as per droid life.
I love new tech (and have a soft spot for moto), but I can't get behind this phone. I highly doubt this launches with n, will be several months behind on security updates (and the Verizon version will almost never get any updates), and the unlocked version will only work on GSM carriers.
I think it is telling that lenovo not only didn't show off anything to do with the software, but neglected to address the two items that have gotten them so much bad Android press this year: lack of updates/timely updates and warranty replacement issues. They haven't learned anything and haven't shown what they are doing to improve.

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Fyi the unlocked model won't be compatible with Verizon as per droid life.
I love new tech (and have a soft spot for moto), but I can't get behind this phone. I highly doubt this launches with n, will be several months behind on security updates (and the Verizon version will almost never get any updates), and the unlocked version will only work on GSM carriers.
I think it is telling that lenovo not only didn't show off anything to do with the software, but neglected to address the two items that have gotten them so much bad Android press this year: lack of updates/timely updates and warranty replacement issues. They haven't learned anything and haven't shown what they are doing to improve.
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Right no "N" until probably April 2017. Will launch with Marshmallow.
Looking on the cup half-full side, if I got the unlocked version with Qi wireless extended battery pack, I would have a camera with rear OIS and 5700 mAh battery. Still no stereo, however. And how THICK would that phone be with that extended battery pack?
All I need is a 4000 mAH battery, with Qi wireless, stereo speakers, rear camera OIS, IR sensors built in? How hard can that be? Samsung Galaxy S7 Active, ZTE Axon 7, vivo Xplay5 Elite and a maybe a couple more manufacturers all have those features between them -- just not all in one phone. I was hoping Lenovo/Motorola would have the best of the bunch and put them all into one phone.
WHY do we have to choose between Qi charging and stereo speakers?

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Right no "N" until probably April 2017. Will launch with Marshmallow.
Looking on the cup half-full side, if I got the unlocked version with Qi wireless extended battery pack, I would have a camera with rear OIS and 5700 mAh battery. Still no stereo, however. And how THICK would that phone be with that extended battery pack?
All I need is a 4000 mAH battery, with Qi wireless, stereo speakers, rear camera OIS, IR sensors built in? How hard can that be? Samsung Galaxy S7 Active, ZTE Axon 7, vivo Xplay5 Elite and a maybe a couple more manufacturers all have those features between them -- just not all in one phone. I was hoping Lenovo/Motorola would have the best of the bunch and put them all into one phone.
WHY do we have to choose between Qi charging and stereo speakers?
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Exactly. I just can't justify any phone besides a Nexus due to lack of software updates, security concerns, and general lack of support. We have great devs and I have enjoyed moto hardware, but honestly the majority of the dev community is with nexus and nexus hardware has progressed substantially from the old galaxy nexus days lol. In the Android world, only the nexus devices are actually receiving the OEM support an essential piece of technology deserves.
I'll be moving to a Nexus in the fall, but I've had a good run on xda since the og droid. Maybe Lenovo and the rest of the OEMs will get their act together someday.

I think that the key point of this crap its going to be price. Don't forget that they are late to the game (as every year), even the first phones to arrive will be Verizon exclusive, so hopefully they will release their unlocked version in the middle of the new nexus hype window...
yep, good luck with that lenovo.

Hm, seems like Lenovo won't kill Moto X family...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...-dead-moto-z-provides-a-different-experience/

Any thoughts on the one plus 3? I think it looks gorgeous..
Anxiously waiting for reviews.

ditching my note4 ... recommend xforce?

background: my lg g2 protected by the otterbox defender served me well but was old and digitizer was broken. I wanted a phone with a bright display and long battery life. I settled on a note4. more specifically a n910t because it took root. I bought zerolemon battery/case. I'm in love with the battery life. it lasts more than a day without worrying about turning off gps or bluetooth. the downside is the screen seems to crack everytime I drop it. I miss the days with my old razr maxx that I could abuse to no end without every having a case and the screen never cracked. so I am now contemplating another phone. when it comes to battery life and shatterproof screen it seems the turbo2 is the obvious choice except it looks like rooting is not an option. from what I can tell the xforce is very similar to the turbo2 but can be rooted and includes more lte bands.
can anyone comment on these features for the xforce:
root available
shatterproof
bright display
usage on circket wireless
long battery life under heavy use
and/or
extended battery with case
update: looking at used phones on ebay. why does the xforce cost considerably more than the turbo2?

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background: my lg g2 protected by the otterbox defender served me well but was old and digitizer was broken. I wanted a phone with a bright display and long battery life. I settled on a note4. more specifically a n910t because it took root. I bought zerolemon battery/case. I'm in love with the battery life. it lasts more than a day without worrying about turning off gps or bluetooth. the downside is the screen seems to crack everytime I drop it. I miss the days with my old razr maxx that I could abuse to no end without every having a case and the screen never cracked. so I am now contemplating another phone. when it comes to battery life and shatterproof screen it seems the turbo2 is the obvious choice except it looks like rooting is not an option. from what I can tell the xforce is very similar to the turbo2 but can be rooted and includes more lte bands.
can anyone comment on these features for the xforce:
root available
shatterproof
bright display
usage on circket wireless
long battery life under heavy use
and/or
extended battery with case
update: looking at used phones on ebay. why does the xforce cost considerably more than the turbo2?
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Because it can be rooted and has more LTE bands. You answered the question yourself.
Also doesn't have stupid Verizon bloatware and useless CDMA bands.
I own three of the Moto Maxx XT1225, the "international" version of the Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254. QUARK (Droid Turbo/Moto Turbo/Moto Maxx) was the predecessor to KINZIE (Droid Turbo 2/Moto X Force). Compared to the Droid Turbo XT1254, the Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo XT1225 has more LTE bands (including ALL the AT&T bands), as well as more HSPA bands. Moto X Force seems to be the same.

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looking at used phones on ebay. why does the xforce cost considerably more than the turbo2?
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'Cause MXF is the international version of the DT2, you response to your own question: More LTE Bands, More Memory (MXF 64gb instead 32Gb of the DT2).
I'm totally convinced now that the MXF is THE best buy that you can made this year, i got my MXF about 2 weeks now and no regrets, i came from the Moto X original (XT1052 Dev Edition), Moto G (XT1032) and the Motorola Razr I (XT890), this phones are really fasters but the MXF is THE BEST.
Plus you can unlock the bootloader, can root, and made every change that you want. Go for the Moto X Force, no the Droid Turbo 2 if you want moddify your machine, if you are a person that want the phone original, without touch anything, go for the DT2
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Root available: yes, after unlock the MXF Bootloader
Shatterproof: i test myself when the phone falls down of my motobike, it really seems "Shatterproof" because IT'S Shatterprof
Bright display: not really the best under daylight because the amoled display, but has an incredible image
Long battery life under heavy use and/or extended battery with case: I play Ingress (this game use a lot the gps and the data conection, so take in base that because it's a REALLY HEAVY USE) and wake up at 6 a.m. when i came back to home, i got 15 percent of battery @ 9 p.m. and i don't use a powerbank in all day... even i never charge THIS phone untill i go to sleep
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Had both and prefer the Note 4 easily, better screen, far better camera and loads more dev support, battery life and speaker quality is the only thing MXF has going for it right now, compared to the Note 4, CM14 is out now for the MXF, but not as a daily driver, camera crashes a lot. If you are looking for a cheap upgrade, try the Oneplus 2, or if you have a bit more money, go for the Oneplus 3 or Nexus 6P these 3 are really awesome devices compared to the Note 4 and MXF (note 4 still has very good screen that is hard to beat, only newer Samsungs have better screens), stay away from LG, they are cursed with bootloop issues and ghosting on their LCDs.
Right now I own a MXF, but don't see it keeping it for too long, probably will go back to the Oneplus 2, very similar specs, but a lot more customs ROMs available.
Hope this helped =D

hugoprh said:
LRight now I own a MXF, but don't see it keeping it for too long, probably will go back to the Oneplus 2, very similar specs, but a lot more customs ROMs available.
Hope this helped =D
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1440p vs 1080p is not similar specs. I've had 1440p AMOLED since 2014 with Moto XT1225, and I'm never going back.
I didn't buy 2015 MXP because the silly plastic thingy on the display was NOT an upgrade from 2014 Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx. It made the display dimmer. Whereas stereo speakers and rear camera OIS would have fixed the two Quark deficiencies. Like what the sibling Moto Nexus 6 had, except it was just too freakin' big.