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After several failed attempts of cloning VISTA from the HTC Shift's to the my Samsung 64GB Solid State Drive using Norton Ghost (the cloned drive always blue screens at boot), I've decided to do a clean VISTA install from scratch to the SSD Drive.
With only one USB Port on the Shift, I didn't have enough ports for the Bootable USB Pen w/ Ghost on it + Drive 1 + Drive 2, so I had to stick both 1.8" ZIF drivers in USB adapter enclosures and then clone from one to the other from a desktop computer with multiple USBs (using a hub on the Shift to use the 3 devices at the same time from its single USB connector didn't work either because the drives are not detected at BIOS)
To do a clean install, are the updated VISTA drivers for the Shift posted on HTC's Support Site, all the drivers I will need? I don't seem to see certain things like the SIM Modem for example. Also how do I install the Windows Mobile Application to communicate with SnapVue, etc? I have the feeling I will be missing a ton of drivers and software by the time I have the Shift with a Retail Version of Vista, not the original system restore one with all the drivers (and clutter).
Once I get the system up and running (and tweaked), I'll post some benchmarks here and a video showing boot-up and app launch times with the Samsung SSD (currently the fastest 1.8" ZIF Drive on the market). I want to custom make VISTA as streamlined as possible with the least amount of garbage to gain maximum performance on the Shift and with the lowest possible mem usage On my dsktop my clean install is less than 1.5GB!
If you'd like a detailed post of the disassembly, drive swap and re-assembly as well as final description of all the tweaks performed, services disabled, etc., I can post them here in detail as well.
Thanks for the input of the software and drivers I will need before I start the work
VeEuzUKY said:
To do a clean install, are the updated VISTA drivers for the Shift posted on HTC's Support Site, all the drivers I will need?
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Yes, they are all you need. Windows Mobile Device Centre is included with Vista, and that deals with the connection to Snapvue. The sim card is managed by Snapvue, so wiping Vista will not affect it.
Thanks for the reply Pantaloonie
Im hoping that a Vista clean install will be a fraction of the work and time I've spent trying to install XP and Ubuntu Mobile. Both of them got "almost" to fully work but some functionality was always lost no matter my tries. Since I am "slimming" down Vista to its bare minimum, I wonder if there are components I have taken out on my desktop's clean install, that I may actually need for the Shift (Windows Mobile Device Centre being one of them that immediately comes to mind)! Is it required to upgrade to Windows Mobile Device Center 6.1 on the version built-in within Vista is enough? I usually stay away as much as possible of ANY upgrades what-so-ever
By the way, what are the VistaECDrv and Extension Kit USBLan Drivers for?
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By the way, what are the VistaECDrv and Extension Kit USBLan Drivers for?
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Hi,
VistaECDDrv seems to be the Embedded Controller Driver. It is the part that manages communication between the build-in stuff such as USB and SD. It also might be the part that prohibits us from using the SD-card from the Snapvue side.
The other one seems to be the driver for the LAN adaptor... I am not sure what the "Extension Kit" signifies.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
(I actually don't really know what I am talking about )
greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
Are the drivers needed for the Shift's video camera built-in Vista? I cannot find any available drivers to download from HTC's support site
Yes, it works quite happily with the generic USB Camera drivers in Vista.
can you do a benchmark of your SSD from Samsung? ans post the picture?
http://www.hdtune.com/
I think about a Mtron 3018 32GB or 64GB SDD (April 2009) with 100/100MB/s
I Thnik there is no other faster 1,8" PATA SSD on market?
Hi!
Is there any news on the speed on your Shift when changing to the Samsung SSD?
I don´t know, but i´m shure, with Mtron 3018 SSD it is much faster then with SAmsung SSD.
BTW: in the mid of april Mtron release the 64GB Edition with 100/100 Read/write (maybe 300€)
Hi, I'm trying to install Windows 8 64 bits Consumer Preview by DVD driver in my PC, but, it's very, VERY slow to install. I wait 1 hour to select the language. Why is happening this? For install my Windows 7 32 bits Ultimate was the same. Is my HD or DVD Driver? (I burn 2x in the DVD by Power ISO)
Thanks.
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Hi, I'm trying to install Windows 8 64 bits Consumer Preview by DVD driver in my PC, but, it's very, VERY slow to install. I wait 1 hour to select the language. Why is happening this? For install my Windows 7 32 bits Ultimate was the same. Is my HD or DVD Driver? (I burn 2x in the DVD by Power ISO)
Thanks.
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That software you mentioned should have died out years ago , but didn't. They propped up sales by seeding torrents that blahblahblah.... rant off.
Anyway, try a md5sum on the images and dvds.
I installed on a vm in less than 15minutes, and even with the annoying reboots it was fairly quick.
Check you bios for odd settings.
Are your floppy disk controller enabled in the bios? Since Windows Vista some Mainboards have problems with setup if the floppy controller is enabled! deactivate it and setup should run at normal speed!
Windows 8 is a big file on its own, if you're trying to install the 64 buy version its even bigger. Be patient or try the 32 bit version
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It could also be that your drivers are out of date or that your computer has a slow disc speed
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given that you said you had issues on another OS then its likely to be a hardware issue.
first suggestion is to make sure your using 32 bit DMA access in your BIOS, its quite easy to set that to UDMA 0 or even PIO mode by mistake, its also possible the drive or disks your burning from / to might not be as accurate as they should be, its also worth checking your download isn't corrupted, I had that issue on the DP but that failed to install rather than just being slow.
If your using older drives using parallel cables, make sure they are on different channels, ie not connected to the same cable (master slave)
you could try setting up a USB drive install, that would rule out the media drive altogether and limit it to your moby or HDD
Thanks guys, I will format my HD and try again in some days o/
how is your raid set up? Make sure you have ahci , I loaded 64 bit last night , took less than 10 minutes and I had a corrupted drive to begin with (that took me an extra 10 minutes by itself) but install of the OS was the fastest Ive ever had on a windows machine !
Slow DVD install
It sounds like you have a low transfer speed or a low read speed on the DVD drive. Because it took me just over an hour to install Windows 8 CP on HP ZD7249CL. it took about 15 minutes to install on my Home Built desktop (AMD Phenom X4 840 3.2Ghz, 8 GB of ram, SATA III, AMD HD5770). See if you can upgrade to a sata drive if possible.
My older DVD drive is SATA, the new one(from my old PC) is IDE, and the both took the same time.
I will try to make some changes in the BIOS and reinstall the OS.
So I post the results.
Thanks all of you o/
I'm curious....
Does windows allow imaging/installing from disk images for non corporate users ?
On my mac I image disks, and install whatever is needed from the images. Its magnitudes faster than waiting on cd/dvd read times.
Maybe someone here is familiar with how its done on windows ?
Windows has some of the most efficient installation methods of any OS, you can essentially build whatever you like and have a completed automated / unattended install
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Windows has some of the most efficient installation methods of any OS, you can essentially build whatever you like and have a completed automated / unattended install
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More specifics would be good.
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Well, how about you tell us what you want to do, remote, network, disk, usb, pre setup, semi setup,what do you want an we can show you how, I've not come across any limitations. Yet ! =)
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Hi, I have a Hitachi Touro Pro mobile 750GB USB 3.0 external HDD and after upgrading to win 8 the drive is no longer accessible.
It still works on Win 7, but when I plug it in on Win 8 it takes 3-5 min to show up in my computers and once you click on the drive file explorer hangs until you unplug the drive..
Anyone have a fix for this problem? it's very inconvenient for me to switch between Win 8 and Win 7...
thanks in advance!
Sounds like one of those weird drives that aren't actually USB Mass Storage but instead have some (typically both buggy and worthless) extra layer over them to do things like make it easy to back stuff up (as though Windows hasn't had backup capability built in for ages) or something equally value-added (for very loose values of "value"). Check if there's a way to connect it via USB Mass Storage instead; I know on my PC external drives work fine.
Also, try over USB2 instead of USB3, just to see if it behaves differently. I don't think Win7 even had built-in support for USB3; you would have had to install a driver. It might be expecting that driver somehow...
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Sounds like one of those weird drives that aren't actually USB Mass Storage but instead have some (typically both buggy and worthless) extra layer over them to do things like make it easy to back stuff up (as though Windows hasn't had backup capability built in for ages) or something equally value-added (for very loose values of "value"). Check if there's a way to connect it via USB Mass Storage instead; I know on my PC external drives work fine.
Also, try over USB2 instead of USB3, just to see if it behaves differently. I don't think Win7 even had built-in support for USB3; you would have had to install a driver. It might be expecting that driver somehow...
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Thanks for your reply.
I actually tried that drive everywhere... ThinkPad X230T, T61, Surface RT and even my friend's HP... the behavior is exactly the same on USB 2 or 3.. When I connect the drive it shows up in Device Manager as a "Hitachi Touro Mobile Pro SCSI Disk Device". I have no idea what SCSI Disk Device means... :S I bought the drive in April 2012.
I know this drive has some smart features build it, like sleep mode (drive stops spinning after no activity for a while), host detection (doesn't spin if there's power but no communication) and safe eject (stops spinning after receiving USB ejection signal).
SCSI is an old (really old) interface for disk drives. It still sees some use in servers, but that's about it. Not sure why your external USB HDD would present itself as SCSI...
All those "smart features" are exactly the kind of stuff I was talking about: useless crap that makes the drive require a custom driver even though the OS already does every single one of those with the *possible* exception of the host detection (which shouldn't require anything special).
What if you copy the data off the drive, then use Win8 to repartition/format the drive (disk management)?
The reason it shows SCSI is that for the controller being used in the external case is presenting itself as such. Most HDD controllers that aren't integrated into the chipset (and even some that do) will always be detected as SCSI controllers, it's an old-school way of how Windows sees controllers. If it's not built-in, it must be SCSI. Odd but that's how it was many many years ago.
I've a Hitachi Touro (not Pro, 2012 model) 1TB drive, which shows up in Win8 as "HitachiG ST USB Device". Driver used is standard Microsoft driver dated 2006.
Your Touro Mobile Pro is a Hitachi Travelstar 7K750 drive (SATA 2 3Gb/s, 7200rpm). Specs and performance below,
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/notebook-hard-drive-review,3270-2.html
My guess is that Win8 upgrade is the problem, as you likely didn't do a clean install. Suggest
. plug drive in and wait for it to be recognized,
. go into Device Manager, click on Disk Drives, right-click on the Touro entry, select Uninstall
. unplug drive, wait for a few seconds, then replug drive
If this doesn't work, you may need to do a clean re-install of Win8. A workaround is to remove the drive from the USB enclosure and use it as a standard SATA 2.0 drive.
Hey guys, not sure if there are many people here but I'm looking for some help. I recently bought a shift off ebay because I like the cool sliding form-factor and collecting old palm tops in general. When I got it it had vista on it. It also had a lot of garbage and porn on it from the previous seller who claimed it was mint... that's another story. I ran into some problems with it and tried to reinstall vista. Then I decided to throw windows 10 on it instead thinking it would make it run better.
Unfortunately windows 10 has slowed it down to a crawl. I can't get anything done on it. It's using up a lot of processing power to the point that the device gets hot and abruptly shuts down. I don't know what I was expecting really, it only has an 800mhz proc. Have any of you guys gotten 10 to run smoothly? I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks.
Hi,
There are a number of Windows 10 performance tips in the thread titled "[GUIDE] Installing Windows 10 Technical Preview on the HTC Shift, especially in the final couple of pages.
I'm running Windows 10 on my Shift, and despite my best efforts, it still runs very slow, but good enough for running efficient applications such as Evernote, OneDrive and Word.
My Shift gets hot but it has never suffered from overheating. Perhaps your fan is faulty. Can you hear the fan running?
Hi guys, i was always fanatic for ultra mobile pc´s, i had some vaio P, and now i bought a HTC shift, just spent 50 euros in it, so it is a bargain
I have some questions here:
1- guy who sold me told me that wifi don´t work in windows 8 ( os installed), it needs some driver to work in windows 8/10? or it´s not possible to enable wifi?
2- when i receive the shift should i format all partions and make a new install of win 10? the owner told me that hd is 60gb and have 2 partitions
3- so for what i understand, there is the windows mode and then the windows mobile mode? they are installed in diferent partitions? how does this work?
thank you
i made a clean install of win 10, win 10 is very slow for shift.... all was working less wifi, it wasn´t detecting my home network
made a clean install of win 7 home premium, all smooth and quick, fast boot time, all things are working including touchscreen and wifi
in windows 7 i cant acess 3g dont know why
another problem is that when i press windows mobile key, i only get a black screen, what is the problem?
thank you
ps. for browsing i recimend slim jet browser, really fast and smoother, and very good to use with finger
I take it by now that you have learned that only the windows side uses the HDD (and bluetooth and the SD card). The Windows Mobile side is not connected to any of these (although it is connect to Windows and so can potentially access them if Windows is running).
If 3G is not working in Windows 7, have you run the "Shift Control Centre" to ensure that "Modem" is ON?
When I installed Windows 10 on my HTC Shift from a bootable USB drive created with the "Windows Media Creator" application, I performed a new installation after first deleting all of the partitions on the hard drive. This included the factory default Vista recovery partition, which I will never need, and I'd rather have the extra Gbs of storage.
There was a 2GB RAM module you could buy for it. Also, could you put an SSD inside it to speed it up?
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There was a 2GB RAM module you could buy for it. Also, could you put an SSD inside it to speed it up?
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You can buy a 2gb module in eBay but they are very expensive
About SSD you can use it, dont know wich modelo, but its possible, but this laptop have slow processor and bad graphic, so, i dont recomend this investment at all
I've got two Shifts. One with liberated Snapvue, 2GB Ram and 128GB SSD.
Had Windows7 installed, but then tried Win10. The first Beta versions made shift run like a charm, but with each update it became slower. I then returned to Vista with AeroDesign and 3d gimmicks disabled. Now runs pretty good, fast enough and stable.
The second Shift also runs Vista. Unfortunately i'm not able to liberate its Mobile side, as it refuses to receive emails although 3G is working fine. Strange thing: though not liberated, Vista is able to use the 3G modem.
windows 7 runs ok in shift, for me it´s the best os
Running Windows 10 on my Shift. I disabled certain things such as background apps, superfetch, and Windows search.
I wonder how much impact the future Meltdown and Spectre mitigation updates will have on my poor stock HTC Shift...
Wow! Started reading this thread and I cant believe I fired up my Shift. Running Windows 8 on it. It took 30 minutes for Windows defender to update . Updating Windows now. ANyone know where I can find an inexpensive battery?
Thanks
try ebay
search for htc x9500 or htc shift
btw
win 7 is the best os for this machine
Battery
Search htc shift in ebay and some will appear. Not cheap cicra £20-30 but probably not a deal breaker either.
I have used kingspec 1.8 inch 128 gb ssd's in other devices and they work well. Their speed depends upon the interface required, if ide then this will be the bottleneck. As for the original hdd they are one of the slowest ever made and were redesigned for media player usage!
Slow down windows 10 on a 1 CPU 800mHz 1gb or 2gb?
Answer this question first!!!
so, i have am issue with my self built desktop. Its a Ryzen 5 1600 with 8 gb ddr 4 and a SSD for the boot sector. I have traditional storage HDDs for just stuff 1: 2TB and 1: 1TB blah blah LOL but my mouse input has been rather laggy as of late. Its an older mouse, a Logitech M510 and it works seamlessly on my other computers (3 lappys and 1 desky) but the computer with the issue is my daily driver. I was told that my 1GB DDR3 video card might be the culprit, but im open for suggestions/ideas
hey, i had (have) an intel core i5 9600F, 8GB DDR4 2444Mhz, asrock b360m pro4, radeon rx560 2GB video card with samsung evo 970 m.2 ssd and i had the same issue. i upgraded the memory to 16GBs and have no problems ever since. it was annoying like hell
donjamal said:
hey, i had (have) an intel core i5 9600F, 8GB DDR4 2444Mhz, asrock b360m pro4, radeon rx560 2GB video card with samsung evo 970 m.2 ssd and i had the same issue. i upgraded the memory to 16GBs and have no problems ever since. it was annoying like hell
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i dont think its the same for OP case. because if you had no memory at all left then not only your mouse would lag but your whole computer and you would realize it instantly.
OP try to get mouse drivers from internet for this model, and check other usb ports, also install all windows updates
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i dont think its the same for OP case. because if you had no memory at all left then not only your mouse would lag but your whole computer and you would realize it instantly.
OP try to get mouse drivers from internet for this model, and check other usb ports, also install all windows updates
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Dunno, but this definitely solved the problem for me
Hi your HDD maybe for happened lagy mouse or go to settings mouse change mouse settings fast or other set
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I know this is a bit older of a thread but wanted to add for others, haven't seen a system more than 2g memory cause this so here's a few things to try. 2g and your memory should be fine on a 32 win, 4g min on a 64 windows, if you didn't touch page file you have more and if it's on a ssd it's fast, you also check how much page file is used if you max mem and your page file, then this could cause it. Then you try unplugging all usb,and ex drives before boot an try different ports, usb 2.0 an 3.0 rear panel, the best place for mouse is rear panel, also check UEFI (bios) usb settings an see if they are on USB Legacy Support, try disabling legacy support, also remember surfaces your using from other pc where it's working, the last thing is the embedded mouse driver in windows, it's usually never this, but you can see if mouse mfg has a driver an utility for settings. You should make sure you have the right an newest gpu driver, for a gpu driver try station drivers, they might have a new beta driver, check your monitors refresh rate, find it's max MHz an apply it if lower, then there's checking windows health, this is good to check either way if install is over 6mo old.
Run power shell or cmd as admin and then,
1 DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Scanhealth
2 DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth
3 DISM.exe /online /cleanup-image /startcomponentcleanup
4 sfc /scannow
Don't add numbers to commands.