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I wonder if there's any software to operate PocketPC as USB Stick available (like for Palm Tungsten T5 - Drive Mode)? So basically I would like to use PocketPC drives just as a USB Stick (without Activesync of course)
Thanks,
Georg
this cannot be done in software.
let me rehash this topic
Can anyone here kindly explain me why it aint possible to use PPC as USB MassStorageDevice? I know you need USB Host Controller chip to handle that stuff in hardware. Why cant we emulate its function in software? In the end its only sending signals to the pc?
How does the device upgrade process work then? you also have to transfer data to ppc rom here.
I know that it wont be easy to give a simple explanation, could anyone try it anyway?
thank you for your help!
regards,
Quappo
i think it would be possible to do in software
if it cant then it's because that it's hardcoded in the pda that when it interduce itself to the pc as a plug'n'play device it does so as a pda
if that cant be changed then you cant do it
I've found some interesting SW tools:
here: http://www.softick.com/pocket-pc/cardexport2/#compatibility
and here : http://www.deje.gmxhome.de/download.html
You mast pay for the first one :?
but the second (if you like) it's free !
Have a look !!
Carlo said:
I've found some interesting SW tools:
here: ...
and here : http://www.deje.gmxhome.de/download.html
... the second (if you like) it's free !
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You were misleaded. The named tool can be used on PDAs having USB host functionality to connect other hard drives. It won't let your PDA be recognized as a USB stick.
Yes - in general case you can do it.
It is possible to write software which allow to represent PPC with USB end-point hardware as USB Mass Storage device.
Question is - how?
It seems device will need to supply correct descriptors at USB enumeration process and device will have to correctly process appropriate comands from host device (PC or something else)
again - how?
It seems someone will need to write low level software to manage USB endpoint hardware in PPC. it may look like kernel mode driver.
What to need? - doc for USB endpoint device and ability to write driver to manage this hardware.
It isn't difficult - but every PPC will need own device driver.
Or if the USB dev has some interface to supply descriptors and process commands from host (internal - inside system, or app level) - it can be done at some level of abstraction.
Resume
- it is possible
- need to know details about device and USB interface in this PPC.
ryhor - soft stick export does it perfectly. Either use that, or reverse engineer it...
Very useful for non activesynced pcs: keep a copy of activesync install on your SD card, use softstick, install activesync from PPC "usb drive", then switch over to activesync and sync away.
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vijay555 said:
ryhor - soft stick export does it perfectly. Either use that, or reverse engineer it...
Very useful for non activesynced pcs: keep a copy of activesync install on your SD card, use softstick, install activesync from PPC "usb drive", then switch over to activesync and sync away.
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This seems very interesting. Can you tell me how the PPC shows on the Windows PC desktop? It has mostly two drives then, a possible SD card included.
Can you change the drive letter via local disk management?
Happen to know if it would work on Jasjar?
Huib
I've no idea how it works on WM5, you'll have to check their site: either way, I'm sure they're working on it.
How it works: you get a little icon in your tray (on Today screen). From there you can choose either to activesync or USB Drive when you connect your usb lead. You can choose which drive to use as a usb drive, ie storage or storage card. Only one at a time though.
Then, stick in your usb lead, and after a few seconds of recognising new hardware, it'll recognise the phone as a standard USB drive, ie a normal drive. I believe the drive letter can be changed in drive management.
I don't think it needs any drivers on >WinXP.
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I've no idea how it works on WM5, you'll have to check their site: either way, I'm sure they're working on it.
How it works: you get a little icon in your tray (on Today screen). From there you can choose either to activesync or USB Drive when you connect your usb lead. You can choose which drive to use as a usb drive, ie storage or storage card. Only one at a time though.
Then, stick in your usb lead, and after a few seconds of recognising new hardware, it'll recognise the phone as a standard USB drive, ie a normal drive. I believe the drive letter can be changed in drive management.
I don't think it needs any drivers on >WinXP.
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Thanks, I will defenitely buy this stuff when they make a Universal Version.
Huib
if it works on wm2005 then it works on universal too
For those with the HTC 4 in 1 Cable, they might be asking the same question too... for a very long while now
Can anyone out there update Athena's USB host drivers?
It's USB host support is enough to power most memory card readers (even 5 in 1 readers), read/write low power thumb/flash drives and make most wired keyboards, mice and gamepads work.
It even works with PSP Slim in USB mode, making the memory stick files accessible
But again there's this issue with self powered devices in mass storage mode and large capacity hard drives(like camera, video cams, external HD etc.)
Athena recognizes them as "Hard Disk" (as with thumb drive and memory card readers, via Explorer). But when you tap the "Hard Disk", all you have is the waiting icon, no more...
I have tried many usb host drivers and edited the registry to no avail.
Those drivers are the following:
1. RATOC based Zeno Drivers ( it does not work, maybe because the drivers where based to work another processor) The only thing that i get from them is a message that the device connected needs a specific drive....
2. Eten M600 USB host drivers ( again the drivers were meant for its Samsung processor) Doesn't work either, though power is still supplied to the connected device.
3. Dejes USB Host driver- expected not to work for it's meant for Windows Mobile 2003
But maybe there's still hope ...
Toshiba G900 USB host drivers...
Athena and G900 have the PXA 270 processor so there's a big chance that G900 drivers may work with Athena (with a few driver rewriting hopefully)
It has been noted that Toshiba G900 USB host support is better, recognizing self powered Devices in Mass Storage Mode and large HDs
And then there's O2 Flame's....these three Devices have the PXA 270 processor... and all have USB host capabilities so the answer might just be just in the tip of our noses...
I have no knowledge with drivers and stuff (all tweaking and basic registry editing just from reading forums) and correct me If I'm wrong but I think writing/updating Athena's USB host drivers are a lot more easier than developing that oh so elusive Graphic Drivers for other devices that developers are sooo into right now...
But whose to blame, our device is quite "old" and quite "rare"
Hope there's a kind hearted fella out there who could update our drivers, fix the powered mass storage issue and even give some new drivers to support other USB devices (external optical drives, webcam, HSDPA thumbs etc)
For now, non-developers like most of us, can only play with available drivers and registry so here are some USB host drivers from different devices (USE AT YOUR OWN RISK) and hopefully one may know what to do with them...
another set of drivers
The drivers inside the zip file below is from
Toshiba G900...
Anyone with the knowledge of driver writing please help us to fix the issues with Athena's usb hosting
Thanks in Advance
thank you
what wires are you using with it?
many drives require Y-type wires.
Not entirely sure what kind of process might be needed, but is it at all possible to use the older method of transferring files between a computer to an Android device (USB Mass Storage) instead of MTP?
MTP (in my experience) is... not ideal in most cases. File transfers are seemingly slower, can only do one thing at a time (I think if your transferring a file, you can't even browse other folders on the MTP device), and sometimes file transfers just get stuck for no reason. Was trying to copy over a few PDF's to my N10 and it seems to just hang randomly, had to reboot the device 4 times already (twice to just create and rename a folder).
what about the option in settings -> storage -> and tap the menu button on the top right and select USB Computer connection?
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Not entirely sure what kind of process might be needed, but is it at all possible to use the older method of transferring files between a computer to an Android device (USB Mass Storage) instead of MTP?
MTP (in my experience) is... not ideal in most cases. File transfers are seemingly slower, can only do one thing at a time (I think if your transferring a file, you can't even browse other folders on the MTP device), and sometimes file transfers just get stuck for no reason. Was trying to copy over a few PDF's to my N10 and it seems to just hang randomly, had to reboot the device 4 times already (twice to just create and rename a folder).
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I had the same problem at first, but I realized my USB ports on the front end of my PC arent USB 2.0, so I plugged it into the back, and works like a charm. Just a thought.
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what about the option in settings -> storage -> and tap the menu button on the top right and select USB Computer connection?
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I already did that and tried both options (MTP & PTP), but the N10 does not show up on my computer at all in either case, with or without USB debugging. I have had no such problems with my other android devices (all still running gingerbread, in case that matters).
My N10 is rooted and my computer runs xubuntu 12.04; I don't have a window box to test... Any suggestions? Thanks!
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I already did that and tried both options (MTP & PTP), but the N10 does not show up on my computer at all in either case, with or without USB debugging. I have had no such problems with my other android devices (all still running gingerbread, in case that matters).
My N10 is rooted and my computer runs xubuntu 12.04; I don't have a window box to test... Any suggestions? Thanks!
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Unfortunately the answer is no.
There was a long discussion on the Galaxy Nexus forums about it a while back.
I also wish for a usb mass storage option for compatibility with radios for playing music. They don't read mtp/ptp for any generic one I've come across.
ceribaen said:
Unfortunately the answer is no.
There was a long discussion on the Galaxy Nexus forums about it a while back.
I also wish for a usb mass storage option for compatibility with radios for playing music. They don't read mtp/ptp for any generic one I've come across.
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Hmm, but what's the main thing stopping this from being possible? I thought I heard of a few JB devices that were able to get USB Mass Storage (LG Optimus G I think has a method, or whatever the phone is that has similar parts to a Nexus 4), and a Galaxy Tab I used to have had Mass Storage in ICS.
Mass storage is possible when the sdcard volume is actually a separate disk. On the Nexus 10 this is an "emulated" sdcard and cannot use USB mass storage safely because that protocol gives exclusive control to PC.
The easiest solution is to use one of the many wireless transfer apps like AirDroid.
Another option for Linux users if you really want a wired transfer is to use adbfs. This is a FUSE wrapper around the usb android debug protocol.
https://github.com/spion/adbfs-rootless
adbfs would give you seamless mounting just like USB Mass Storage.
Another solution, though not a seamless mount, is QtADB: http://qtadb.wordpress.com/
This is another wrapper around the usb android debug protocol.
Oh my god, thank you for the AirDroid recommendation. Holy crap is this program useful with my new nexus 4.
dalingrin said:
Mass storage is possible when the sdcard volume is actually a separate disk. On the Nexus 10 this is an "emulated" sdcard and cannot use USB mass storage safely because that protocol gives exclusive control to PC.
The easiest solution is to use one of the many wireless transfer apps like AirDroid.
Another option for Linux users if you really want a wired transfer is to use adbfs. This is a FUSE wrapper around the usb android debug protocol.
https://github.com/spion/adbfs-rootless
adbfs would give you seamless mounting just like USB Mass Storage.
Another solution, though not a seamless mount, is QtADB: http://qtadb.wordpress.com/
This is another wrapper around the usb android debug protocol.
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Thank you so much! AirDroid is genius!
MTP storage to USB storage: accidental solution!
espionage724 said:
Not entirely sure what kind of process might be needed, but is it at all possible to use the older method of transferring files between a computer to an Android device (USB Mass Storage) instead of MTP?
MTP (in my experience) is... not ideal in most cases. File transfers are seemingly slower, can only do one thing at a time (I think if your transferring a file, you can't even browse other folders on the MTP device), and sometimes file transfers just get stuck for no reason. Was trying to copy over a few PDF's to my N10 and it seems to just hang randomly, had to reboot the device 4 times already (twice to just create and rename a folder).
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dear espionage,
i just wanted to share this with you in case it would be helpful. in fact, you might even have more technical know-how to find out how i accidentally managed this useful fix. first, the reason i was looking for this MTP to USB storage was my habit of synchronizing my thumb-drive to my desktop using any free synching software. this of course, can be only be done when the storage device is recognized as a DRIVE. unfortunately, i believe with the updating of the OS to 4.1 onwards, the USB storage option has been removed, and now only access to MTP is possible. the bad side to this is that one's device is recognized as a portable media device and this means i can no longer synch like i did before the contents of the SD card to my desktop.
second, i found the solution accidentally by installing MultiMount-SD v.2.5 into my Sony Xperia V (LT25i). accidentally i say, because when i clicked on it for the first time, it wouldn't work. it showed a help tip saying that i should trying enabling what it called an MTP fix provided by the program. i did this, restarted the program and guess what happened. there occurred a looping sequence (i guess unending) device recognition-mount and unmount (the PC sounded this off many times), since there was no end to it, i decided to UNINSTALL the program even while the recognition loop was going on. in the meantime one could see a drive appearing in the EXPLORER with a (?), then it would appear with an assigned drive letter, then finally disappear, and so on.
i successfully uninstalled the MultiMount apk, and surprisingly even with the message that the device wasn't properly recognized or installed, i could now connect my Xperia and it mounts as a USB storage device and no longer MTP. to test this 'accident', i tried connecting it to my desktop, running Windows 7, and it worked without any hitches! I don't really mind losing the MTP option, sides it's very limited in its connectivity with the PC. Another bonus, is despite this, i can still communicate with my device through the MyPhoneExplorer program that allows one to send text messages and other stuff. This was one wonderful accident.
oh, one last thing, even with rebooting my phone, the setup seems to have become a 'permanent fix'. now, when the device is connected one sees in the activated portions in the top menu saying: USB Storage - SD card connected to PC. This was never there before... And i wonder what MultiMountSD must have left permanently to allow my Xperia V to now connect as USB storage. Yahoo!!!
i hope though, you could see what the technical side of this accident is, so that somehow something more stable could be done or programmed without having to go through the 'accidental' procedure i have detailed above.
ciao,
bodega1968
case-sensitive said:
I already did that and tried both options (MTP & PTP), but the N10 does not show up on my computer at all in either case, with or without USB debugging. I have had no such problems with my other android devices (all still running gingerbread, in case that matters).
My N10 is rooted and my computer runs xubuntu 12.04; I don't have a window box to test... Any suggestions? Thanks!
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I had this issue with Ubuntu 12.04 too, after I updated to 13.04 it started to work like a charm . You can also try changing the rules in your PC, you can find how to do it in the Google website .
"This Story Ends Where It Began" - Octavarium (Dream Theater)
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You can use OTG and transfer files
MTP and USB Storage
SmokinCharger said:
You can use OTG and transfer files
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Thanks SmokinCharger! I guess it's quite clear that attempts to allow certain devices to be read in USB Storage mode is a hardware configuration. If your device isn't designed for it, then it won't be able to do this. It's like wanting your volkswagen to have a 6th gear... thus, what was posted previously is true:
Originally Posted by dalingrin:
[Mass storage is possible when the sdcard volume is actually a separate disk. On the Nexus 10 this is an "emulated" sdcard and cannot use USB mass storage safely because that protocol gives exclusive control to PC.]
*I also would like to apologize what i've posted earlier regarding my accidental discovery with Multi-Mount SD. What the app actually did was to access a feature in my device (rooted Xperia V LT125i) which i wasn't aware of. All the time, my device was actually configured to have both MTP and USB Storage.:silly:
So for such devices that are hardware configured only to be MTP or PTP, the only 'solution' or 'alternative' would be to "ROOT" them and set them up with OTG (On the Go) USB access. This may have some hitches, but i've been using this quite a lot. Sometimes though, a RESET is required so that explorer applications would function normally.
Thanks again. I guess this will be all for now in our attempts to reconfigure something that is hardware defined in certain devices.
bodega1968 said:
Thanks SmokinCharger! I guess it's quite clear that attempts to allow certain devices to be read in USB Storage mode is a hardware configuration. If your device isn't designed for it, then it won't be able to do this. It's like wanting your volkswagen to have a 6th gear... thus, what was posted previously is true:
Originally Posted by dalingrin:
[Mass storage is possible when the sdcard volume is actually a separate disk. On the Nexus 10 this is an "emulated" sdcard and cannot use USB mass storage safely because that protocol gives exclusive control to PC.]
*I also would like to apologize what i've posted earlier regarding my accidental discovery with Multi-Mount SD. What the app actually did was to access a feature in my device (rooted Xperia V LT125i) which i wasn't aware of. All the time, my device was actually configured to have both MTP and USB Storage.:silly:
So for such devices that are hardware configured only to be MTP or PTP, the only 'solution' or 'alternative' would be to "ROOT" them and set them up with OTG (On the Go) USB access. This may have some hitches, but i've been using this quite a lot. Sometimes though, a RESET is required so that explorer applications would function normally.
Thanks again. I guess this will be all for now in our attempts to reconfigure something that is hardware defined in certain devices.
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You're welcome. Chainfire is a great and well known developer that has development many great apps including Stickmount. Look it up in Play especially the Pro version, which is "The price is aimed at being approximately one beer at the bar ". It works with mounting the UBS OTG. The Pro will automatically mount and unmount.
Hey guys,
I manage easily to mount 16gb USB stick using stick mount, but when it comes to my 1tb Toshiba self 2,5 drive, no way.
Is it actually possible to run these big boys on our tablets?? It works on my n7100....
if you can help i'll ne glad to hear from you
Cheers
wwwpuntoit said:
Hey guys,
I manage easily to mount 16gb USB stick using stick mount, but when it comes to my 1tb Toshiba self 2,5 drive, no way.
Is it actually possible to run these big boys on pur tablets?? It works on my n7100....
if you can help i'll ne glad to hear from you
Cheers
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Nobody has a clue ??
I'm pretty sure there's already a thread about this try searching it. I think someone had a similar issue with a500 gig hard drive and they got it working
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abdel12345 said:
I'm pretty sure there's already a thread about this try searching it. I think someone had a similar issue with a500 gig hard drive and they got it working
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yes i've been doing some searching but no luck so far:crying:
wwwpuntoit said:
yes i've been doing some searching but no luck so far:crying:
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I'll try looking for it on a little and post it here if I find it because I'm sure I've seen one before
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I'll try looking for it on a little and post it here if I find it because I'm sure I've seen one before
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thanks mate, that's would nice if you could.
Ok it turned out the thread was about powering an external hard drive not connecting one but I found this app http://nexususb.blogspot.com/ called nexus media importer that say s it may work with hard drives. You should try it and see if it works.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1990324 you can also check out this thread. I see some posts saying that they got it working as long as it's a self powered drive. One person said stickynount app let's you connect a similar hdd to yours but you need root.
abdel12345 said:
Ok it turned out the thread was about powering an external hard drive not connecting one but I found this app http://nexususb.blogspot.com/ called nexus media importer that say s it may work with hard drives. You should try it and see if it works.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1990324 you can also check out this thread. I see some posts saying that they got it working as long as it's a self powered drive. One person said stickynount app let's you connect a similar hdd to yours but you need root.
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thanks i'll give these a try and report back
sort of
I don't have my ordered N10 yet but I do have N4 and N7 and I have connected 1TB USB storage before so have some experience. The answer is a possible yes, depending on a few factors. You got the power issue and the filesystem issue.
For power, there is only so much coming out of the Android's USB port and if your storage device is on the higher powered side and gets its power from USB then you can be screwed, so more likely to work are ones which have their own power supply. Or, you can find a kernel hack which lets OTG host mode (I think that's what it is called?) which uses a Y-cable which takes power in and provides a USB connector. I have such had such Y-cable work with a specific Nexus 7 kernel (Timur kernel on Android 4.2) and recently Ziddey's kernel on my Nexus 4 also.
For filesystem, Stickmount, supports NTFS read-only, so you can connect to android device a device which is read-write on say a laptop/PC and copy files off - to be honest that is good enough for what you'd intend to - a fast copy of large amount of files before you go away from home for example. Or, you can format the drive in a more native to Linux filesystem like ext2, ext3, ext4 to get read-write large file support. Depending on what you also connect that drive to it might work, e.g. there are some ext3 drivers for Windows, or you can have say a Rasberry PI running Debian as your LAN NAS host and unplug the drive and connect to Android.
I have a Seagate 500GB drive, formatted as NTFS, and it does work with my N4 and N7 and so I predict it also will work with my N10. I have a Hitachi 1TB drive, it does work on my N4 as there is the Y-cable USB power ziddey hack but only on my N7 if I keep it on 4.2.2 with the Timur kernel hack. So what I did is I keep the 1TB formatted ext3 connecting to a Linux NAS device (a Seagate dockstar running Debian but a Rasberry Pi running Rasbian would the modern equivalent), and the 500GB drive is what I use as my carry-around device which connects to all my devices for fast large file transfer.
What is your intended use for a 1TB connected to N10?
nigelhealy said:
I don't have my ordered N10 yet but I do have N4 and N7 and I have connected 1TB USB storage before so have some experience. The answer is a possible yes, depending on a few factors. You got the power issue and the filesystem issue.
For power, there is only so much coming out of the Android's USB port and if your storage device is on the higher powered side and gets its power from USB then you can be screwed, so more likely to work are ones which have their own power supply. Or, you can find a kernel hack which lets OTG host mode (I think that's what it is called?) which uses a Y-cable which takes power in and provides a USB connector. I have such had such Y-cable work with a specific Nexus 7 kernel (Timur kernel on Android 4.2) and recently Ziddey's kernel on my Nexus 4 also.
For filesystem, Stickmount, supports NTFS read-only, so you can connect to android device a device which is read-write on say a laptop/PC and copy files off - to be honest that is good enough for what you'd intend to - a fast copy of large amount of files before you go away from home for example. Or, you can format the drive in a more native to Linux filesystem like ext2, ext3, ext4 to get read-write large file support. Depending on what you also connect that drive to it might work, e.g. there are some ext3 drivers for Windows, or you can have say a Rasberry PI running Debian as your LAN NAS host and unplug the drive and connect to Android.
I have a Seagate 500GB drive, formatted as NTFS, and it does work with my N4 and N7 and so I predict it also will work with my N10. I have a Hitachi 1TB drive, it does work on my N4 as there is the Y-cable USB power ziddey hack but only on my N7 if I keep it on 4.2.2 with the Timur kernel hack. So what I did is I keep the 1TB formatted ext3 connecting to a Linux NAS device (a Seagate dockstar running Debian but a Rasberry Pi running Rasbian would the modern equivalent), and the 500GB drive is what I use as my carry-around device which connects to all my devices for fast large file transfer.
What is your intended use for a 1TB connected to N10?
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thanks mate for this answer
no particular use, maybe just movie playback
the point is that i have 2 1tb drives and i'm stuck not eing able to use them
using a y cable which should be connected to mains is not a solution for portability
would a smaller drive work without y cable ? or just usb sticks ? i did not understand fully
wwwpuntoit said:
thanks mate for this answer
no particular use, maybe just movie playback
the point is that i have 2 1tb drives and i'm stuck not eing able to use them
using a y cable which should be connected to mains is not a solution for portability
would a smaller drive work without y cable ? or just usb sticks ? i did not understand fully
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So what else will these 2 1TB drives connect to? A Windows desktop,a MAC desktop, some kind of NAS....? Because the answer to that determines the filesystem support.So you are connecting it to a Windows desktop, it has to be formatted NTFS, then use Stickmount and its NTFS instructions.
For a Nexus 10 I don't think a Y-cable is needed,begin with the regular OTG cable and cross your fingers they don't need so much power they fail to work.
If it turns out you need more power then you'll have to find a USB powered hub type thing, and for portability get an external USB battery, which in general, is a useful thing to have to charge phone, tablet, etc.
So... buy an OTG cable first, there are threads with "OTG cable known to work".
Format the drive in your chosen host system.e.g connect to the Windows desktop and format it NTFS, copy files to it.
Your N10 should be rooted.
On your N10 install stickmount app from Play, and copy the ntfs-3g to /sdcard as per the app's instructions.
Connect your 1TB drive and cross your fingers. It might not work 1st time, sometimes it is 2nd or 3rd time it is recognized.
Stickmount will mount it, if it all works, showing sda1 type message, go the folder it shows briefly on screen.
If stickmount doesn't show a sda1 type message try again.
If it doesn't work then consider a USB powered hub and find a recommended one, or give up.
You are far more likely to get lower powered device like a USB Flash stick, and FAT for smaller files, to work than 1TB harddrive drive.
I have my 1TB drive connected to the equivalent of a Rasberry Pi on my home router which acts as a NAS, I can access it over the Internet and copy files off it over home Wifi before I leave home. I carry a 500GB drive, because as I said as it happened my 1TB drive didn't work, my 500GB drive did work, its the luck of the milliamps and timing and Stickmount's sensing it.
Begin with buying the $3 OTG cable.
Y-cable, I had mine for my N7 for use of Timur kernel so I could connect to power and use a USB device, in my case a 4G dongle, so I could be online 4G connected for hours. The Y-cable can connect to a USB battery pack for not being tied to mains socket. The same Y-cable happens to solve a problem for my N4 which could not power a USB device. To illustrate this is my 500GB drive connected to USB battery and my N4, the cables are the Y-cable and from Y-cable to battery.
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If you want portability and power, then get the N10 Pogo cable it charges whilst your microsusb socket is kept empty to allow to connect to drives although I've not assembled that combination myself yet, so not sure it will work, by the time you get your OTG cable and tried, I should my N10 and my Pogo cable and speak more authoritatively less theoretically.
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So what else will these 2 1TB drives connect to? A Windows desktop,a MAC desktop, some kind of NAS....? Because the answer to that determines the filesystem support.So you are connecting it to a Windows desktop, it has to be formatted NTFS, then use Stickmount and its NTFS instructions.
For a Nexus 10 I don't think a Y-cable is needed,begin with the regular OTG cable and cross your fingers they don't need so much power they fail to work.
If it turns out you need more power then you'll have to find a USB powered hub type thing, and for portability get an external USB battery, which in general, is a useful thing to have to charge phone, tablet, etc.
So... buy an OTG cable first, there are threads with "OTG cable known to work".
Format the drive in your chosen host system.e.g connect to the Windows desktop and format it NTFS, copy files to it.
Your N10 should be rooted.
On your N10 install stickmount app from Play, and copy the ntfs-3g to /sdcard as per the app's instructions.
Connect your 1TB drive and cross your fingers. It might not work 1st time, sometimes it is 2nd or 3rd time it is recognized.
Stickmount will mount it, if it all works, showing sda1 type message, go the folder it shows briefly on screen.
If stickmount doesn't show a sda1 type message try again.
If it doesn't work then consider a USB powered hub and find a recommended one, or give up.
You are far more likely to get lower powered device like a USB Flash stick, and FAT for smaller files, to work than 1TB harddrive drive.
I have my 1TB drive connected to the equivalent of a Rasberry Pi on my home router which acts as a NAS, I can access it over the Internet and copy files off it over home Wifi before I leave home. I carry a 500GB drive, because as I said as it happened my 1TB drive didn't work, my 500GB drive did work, its the luck of the milliamps and timing and Stickmount's sensing it.
Begin with buying the $3 OTG cable.
Y-cable, I had mine for my N7 for use of Timur kernel so I could connect to power and use a USB device, in my case a 4G dongle, so I could be online 4G connected for hours. The Y-cable can connect to a USB battery pack for not being tied to mains socket. The same Y-cable happens to solve a problem for my N4 which could not power a USB device. To illustrate this is my 500GB drive connected to USB battery and my N4, the cables are the Y-cable and from Y-cable to battery.
If you want portability and power, then get the N10 Pogo cable it charges whilst your microsusb socket is kept empty to allow to connect to drives although I've not assembled that combination myself yet, so not sure it will work, by the time you get your OTG cable and tried, I should my N10 and my Pogo cable and speak more authoritatively less theoretically.
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Ok thanks again
By the way stickmount mounts sda1 ok but folder is shown ad empty and the drive itself makes some ticking noise
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Ok thanks again
By the way stickmount mounts sda1 ok but folder is shown ad empty and the drive itself makes some ticking noise
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So you had the OTG cable already. Why did you ask then?
Try NTFS checkdisk on Windows because often a Linux kernel won't mount a corrupted NTFS table whilst Windows will mount but nag a little about errors.
I don't use Windows, I run Linux desktop, its sudo ntfsfix command
Are you sure it is formatted NTFS???? You copied ntfs-3g to /sdcard ?
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So you had the OTG cable already. Why did you ask then?
Try NTFS checkdisk on Windows because often a Linux kernel won't mount a corrupted NTFS table whilst Windows will mount but nag a little about errors.
I don't use Windows, I run Linux desktop, its sudo ntfsfix command
Are you sure it is formatted NTFS???? You copied ntfs-3g to /sdcard ?
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I've put these files on che root of my SD, and now the 1tb is mounted properly, after a while though it starts ticking noise...maybe it's a sign it's not a good idea to plug it in because it might noto nave enough power to cicle properly althoug i can access files on it
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I've put these files on che root of my SD, and now the 1tb is mounted properly, after a while though it starts ticking noise...maybe it's a sign it's not a good idea to plug it in because it might noto nave enough power to cicle properly althoug i can access files on it
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So, actually, all you needed to was follow the instructions for Stickmount.
In your context of copying files off, count your blessings, it is working. Enjoy. Connect, copy files off to N10 internal storage, and disconnect.
That ticking is not a necessary sign of a problem, it is going to idle often, but it is actually working. I get that same ticking noise for my 1TB drive connected to my Seagate dockstar and its been running for like a year. I'd not leave it connected to the N10 more than you have to.
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So, actually, all you needed to was follow the instructions for Stickmount.
In your context of copying files off, count your blessings, it is working. Enjoy. Connect, copy files off to N10 internal storage, and disconnect.
That ticking is not a necessary sign of a problem, it is going to idle often, but it is actually working. I get that same ticking noise for my 1TB drive connected to my Seagate dockstar and its been running for like a year. I'd not leave it connected to the N10 more than you have to.
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Ok so The idea in the first place was to stream movies from that drive so that might be a little too much asking I guess
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Ok so The idea in the first place was to stream movies from that drive so that might be a little too much asking I guess
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.... but it does actually do it right? So the answer to the OP is yes?
I have not looked at all the config files of Android but my 500GB drive, which does work, makes a similar clicking noise on my N7 and N4 as does my 1TB on my Raspberry Pi. My Linux (Ubuntu) desktop has a SSD primary and a HDD secondary internal drives and the HDD does have a bit of a "wooshing" noise when active and some clicking. On my Linux desktop when I unplug from mains power it goes into "laptop mode" which is aggressive in turning off and going quiet the HDD.
So I'd not take the noise as a necessary sign of failure / unreliability, I'd take it as a sign of Android's aggressive power management minimizing power going out of USB. If it works.... (it does right?) then just enjoy it, but if only for battery life reasons, you'd consume less power to copy files to your N10 and unplug the external drive and then watch, than to watch directly off the external drive. That is my intention when I travel with my N10 to use with my 500GB drive.
Also, I'd consider reformatting the drive to ext3, as everything Linux is just plain superior to anything Microsoft.it is then natively recognised by Android better than the Stickmount ntfs-3g hack. Or, as a halfway option, format to FAT32, but then the biggest filesize is 4GB. I have files ~5GB in size so I can't use FAT32.
Do you have a Pogo cable? It allows charging without use of the usb socket. If you're seriously thinking about keeping the 1TB connected for long times, consider the Pogo cable option. I've got mine on order and I'll let you know if when the Pogo cable is plugged in, my 500GB drive works.
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.... but it does actually do it right? So the answer to the OP is yes?
I have not looked at all the config files of Android but my 500GB drive, which does work, makes a similar clicking noise on my N7 and N4 as does my 1TB on my Raspberry Pi. My Linux (Ubuntu) desktop has a SSD primary and a HDD secondary internal drives and the HDD does have a bit of a "wooshing" noise when active and some clicking. On my Linux desktop when I unplug from mains power it goes into "laptop mode" which is aggressive in turning off and going quiet the HDD.
So I'd not take the noise as a necessary sign of failure / unreliability, I'd take it as a sign of Android's aggressive power management minimizing power going out of USB. If it works.... (it does right?) then just enjoy it, but if only for battery life reasons, you'd consume less power to copy files to your N10 and unplug the external drive and then watch, than to watch directly off the external drive. That is my intention when I travel with my N10 to use with my 500GB drive.
Also, I'd consider reformatting the drive to ext3, as everything Linux is just plain superior to anything Microsoft.it is then natively recognised by Android better than the Stickmount ntfs-3g hack. Or, as a halfway option, format to FAT32, but then the biggest filesize is 4GB. I have files ~5GB in size so I can't use FAT32.
Do you have a Pogo cable? It allows charging without use of the usb socket. If you're seriously thinking about keeping the 1TB connected for long times, consider the Pogo cable option. I've got mine on order and I'll let you know if when the Pogo cable is plugged in, my 500GB drive works.
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No don't have any cable.. I run Ubuntu at home too but dual boot with win8 since I do require old Microsoft here and there and I would like my drive to be recognised in both os. Don't think ext3 is recognised in Windows, is it.. Anyway thanks for giving me advise
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No don't have any cable.. I run Ubuntu at home too but dual boot with win8 since I do require old Microsoft here and there and I would like my drive to be recognised in both os. Don't think ext3 is recognised in Windows, is it.. Anyway thanks for giving me advise
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I dual-booted for 20 years, currently running Win VM ontop of Ubuntu, my last attachment to Windoze was Slingplayer, now I tend to run that on my N7 and soon N10.
Ext3 can be recognised by Windows - a lot depends on what is your primary OS. Take a look at http://www.fs-driver.org/ and http://www.ext2fsd.com/
Pick your hack. Based on what you've said, you're done, I'd stick with NTFS as it works stable on Android read-only (your only need), read-write stable on Ubuntu and Windoze.
Right now my 1TB is ext3 on my Dockstar (Rasberry Pi is modern equivalent) and my 500GB is NTFS moving between laptop and Android. My 1TB is my primary file-server, my primary system to save media as it is away from coffee spills, etc. If I had two 1TB drives, I'd run them as RAID 1 mirror on a NAS just for data integrity and carry a smaller power-efficient harddrive around for media streaming on-the-go which I plug into the NAS/laptop/Android as needed to move large files around. Backup, backup, backup!
Hi,
I've been struggling with this problem ever since I've had the Note 3 ( since December). I've been unable to find a solution so am turning to this forum in the hope that someone can shed some light on this.
When I connect via my USB 3.0 port and select MTP (usb 3.0), then try to transfer a file from the note 3 to my pc, the progress bar comes up but sits there at 0% for a while then a message pops up "a device attached to the system is not functioning".
At this point going to other folders reveals no files although the current folder still shows them. This suggest that there is a disconnection of some kind.
Switching back to plain MTP this transfer will work but obviously at usb 2.0 speeds.
I am running Windows 7 and the usb port I have is via a card attached which is an Asus u3S6 (usb 3 / sata 6) card. The chipset on the card is a NEC chip and my other use for it is a bunch of external SATA drives in a USB 3 enclosure. Needless to say there are no problems with running these drives through the ports.
I have Kies 3 installed so any usb drivers needed for the note 3 should be fine. I'm stumped so anyone that can help me troubleshoot this I'd be grateful.
Have you tried enabling " USB Debugging " ?
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Have you tried enabling " USB Debugging " ?
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Yes sorry I forgot to add that fact. It makes no difference.
Guess no one knows
i have somewhat similar problem, at some point of usb 3 file transfer the progress bar freezes and so is "my computer". interestingly the file transfer to note from the pc always works fine, but it always freezes at some point when copying files from note to pc, even during kies backup. usb 2.0 works flawlessly.
i've messed around with usb 3 drivers (asmedia) and even updated its firmware but the freezeups still remain.
gonna try usb 3 transfer on a different pc tomorrow.
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i have somewhat similar problem, at some point of usb 3 file transfer the progress bar freezes and so is "my computer". interestingly the file transfer to note from the pc always works fine,.
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This sounds like a different problem but I did get to the bottom of my problem which turned out to be the Anker 2 port hub I had connected to the usb 3.0 port. I didn't think to eliminate this but when I connected directly the problem goes away so the hub I had bought purely to extend the ports for convenience is faulty or incompatible.
Perhaps you have an extension or hub too in which case I'd make sure you connect directly.
USB3 seems a bit flaky in implementation. I had probs with my N3, a Corsair USB3 stick and a USB3 ext HDD. Problem turned out to be the ports on the PC. They would work with most devices but were intermittent or non-functional on others. Of course, among the USB3 devices it WOULD work with were the ones the vendor had. For some devices it behaved like the USB3 extra connectors in the plug or socket weren't long enough - push it in harder or push it sideways slightly and it would connect but drop as soon as you let go. (not good to do 0 USB carries power and this is a good way to get an arc across the plug and fry things)
The PC vendor gave me an add-on front port panel and all is fine now. Even though it plugs into the same port on the MB.
Note the USB3 HDD still pops up the 'check drive' error every time I connect but I haven't taken the time to nuke it and rebuild yet. But the Corsair now works and so does the phone.
Ah, the joys of the MTP protocol...
Same issue here. As well as it stops responding halfway through a transfer, crashes the connection when making a new folder, takes about 3 years to copy 1GB, randomly disconnects...
My TF700 started doing this after the 4.1.2 update removed UMS. My S3, same story. My Note 3, same story. 29 different computers, 4 different systems (XP, 7, 8, OSX). Different cables, different ports, with and without drivers, with and without USB debugging.
I bloody hate MTP. It's useless, limiting (because now it can't be used as a drive to attach to a mediaplayer via USB..) and about as stable as nitroglycerin during an earthquake.
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.... the plug or socket weren't long enough - push it in harder or push it sideways slightly and it would connect but drop as soon as you let go. (not good to do 0 USB carries power and this is a good way to get an arc across the plug and fry things)
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I thought I'd give up on hubs and just get an extension as my USB3.0 is on the back of the computer and not that accessible.
I've seen a lot of complaints about hubs and simple extensions that have this poor connectivity which seems crazy to me since it's a bit more important to have a solid connection on USB 3 plugs, besides which it's not as though the usb connectors are rocket science.
I'll try the extension and hope I get a reasonable one.
well i did try the usb 3.0 file transfer on a different pc with a different usb controller and it worked fine, copied my 5gb music folder to the pc without any problems. so in my case i guess it's some incompatibility with the asmedia 104x controller (i did connect directly in both cases and the same cable was used).
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ShadowLea said:
Ah, the joys of the MTP protocol...
Same issue here. As well as it stops responding halfway through a transfer, crashes the connection when making a new folder, takes about 3 years to copy 1GB, randomly disconnects...
My TF700 started doing this after the 4.1.2 update removed UMS. My S3, same story. My Note 3, same story. 29 different computers, 4 different systems (XP, 7, 8, OSX). Different cables, different ports, with and without drivers, with and without USB debugging.
I bloody hate MTP. It's useless, limiting (because now it can't be used as a drive to attach to a mediaplayer via USB..) and about as stable as nitroglycerin during an earthquake.
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it seems like it is indeed MTP issue here ! i rolled back to the old 2006 microsoft driver and i managed to do a full backup including music and everything else with kies. but after a while i tried again and it froze up again, i'll keep experimenting.
Sorry to resurrect this 3 month old thread but is there any way to fix this?
Whenever I want backup anything from my phone storage to PC, I have to do it in chunks of like, 50 files or less (huge PITA with TiBU). If I try to copy the whole folder, my computer locks up and I have to hard reset it. I've tried everything mentioned here short of buying a new USB3 controller.