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Do you use a MicroSD? What kind? I'm shopping for one and can use some suggestions... From cheap to expensive... Preferably cheap (;
16gb or 32gb
Class rating, I'm not sure. Are there any consideration for this on the tablet?
Ordering from NewEgg so if you have a link for one there, post'em.
Don't go too cheap. With stuff like this you do get what you pay for to some extent.
Sandisk, Patriot, Kingston, PNY, Sony etc are all brands I've had luck with. At present I've got a 16GB PNY. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820178378
I got it for a higher price a while back, but no problems here in my Gtablet, A500, PC or either of my 2 laptops, one of which runs Debian 6.0
I get mine from Amazon, since I get free 2 day shipping with Amazon Prime. Picked up a Sandisk for a little over $56.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003WGJYCY
Is there a difference between SD and SDHC? And what about class?
Heres what im looking at-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220547&Tpk=microsd
2x32gb for 80'ish which seems like a good deal to me considering 1 goes for near 70... or am i reading that wrong... wife could use one for her hand me down archos 101.
gammaRascal said:
Is there a difference between SD and SDHC? And what about class?
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SD is limited to 2GB, SDHC was the newer standard, supporting up to 32GB. SDXC is the newest, but I don't think there is a micro form factor yet and I don't imagine our devices have SDXC controllers in them. I may boycott SDXC for using proprietary exFAT as the recommended filesystem too.
Class is a speed based thing. Class = minimum write speed in MB/s(technically a multiple of 8Mbps). So Class 2 = 2MB/s. Class 10 = 10MB/s. Write speeds. Keep in mind reads will be faster usually.
Awesome, thanks for that concise explanation.
Does the tablet have a maximum class rating? Will it bottleneck on class 10? I'm looking at the class 6 as a minimum.
Well, maybe class 4... I just want to store my music on it and have it as some extra storage. Class 4 should be fast enough, eh? I wont be moving apps to it - ill keep those on the primary storage. But for playing music, accessing pictures, class 4 seems like it would fast enough for that.
Thoughts?
Folks,
Also, I have been using SDHC's and microSDHCs for a while now and it
has been my experience that sometimes there a little incompatibilities.
Even good brands sometimes don't seem to work for some reason.
I'm saying, pick your best choice, but that doesn't GUARANTEE it
will work. Need a little good fortune also!!!
Rev
Okay, I'm ordering:
Kingston 16GB Micro SDHC Flash Card w/USB Reader Model MRG2+SDC4/16GB
$32.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139195&cm_re=microsd-_-20-139-195-_-Product
I wouldn't pay any extra for anything beyond class 6 or so for a tablet. If a 10 was on special for a really good price maybe, or if you shared it with a camera that needed a class 10 maybe get one.
I suppose we could port hdparm or bonnie to our tabs and run it from adb shell or busybox and see if different class cards got different rates.
I got my SD card a few days ago - the one I linked to two posts up.
Plugged it in (has a usb sleeve) and moved a few songs onto it, put it in the tablet, started the tab, started Google Music and it saw them all. Shut down, moved about 8 gig of music onto the card, plugged it back into the tab, booted, launched Music, took a few seconds but it saw them all, played some and everything is golden.
I'll check in if I ever have any issues.
Thanks for the help folks!
I realize you already got your card, but figured I'd throw in one extra piece of info in the event that anyone stumbles upon this thread in a search at a later date.
You asked a question about class and an early poster provided some great info about what SD card classes mean. I think it's important to note that the class you need depends on the intended usage of the card. High speed cards (those with high class ratings) are most important for applications that require you to write large amounts of data in short amounts of time. The best example of this is photography. Rapidly taking high resolution images requires that a ton of data be written to a storage medium very quickly. As such, you'll see class ten cards in a lot of cameras.
If you intend to do things like store documents, music, etc. on the card - primarily for consumption - you don't need high speed.
One thing to note - if you write to the card a bunch (throw a few new hd movies on there every couple days) you will appreciate a better write speed. Also, picking up a higher speed card means that it can be used for a number of different applications (sharing with a camera for example). Given that there often is only a slight difference in price between a low speed and a higher speed it's usually a better deal to get a higher speed card (the flexibility and time savings are worth a few extra dollars).
Good info. Thanks for chiming in!
just a small FYI ...
with froyo ... SDcard IS SDcard & you can APP2SD or used what I have sworn by -->> MOD INSTALL LOCATION ( in phone forums )...etc
Now.. we have HONEYCOMB... and it partition a little differently. ( although I believed it's the manufacturers that have the final saying... based on the comparision between the Acer & the Asus )
the 2 read your physical SDcard like this:
Asus -->> REMOVABLE
Acer -->> EXT microSD
Your EXT SDcard is only good for storing data/medias ...etc ( currently apps cannot be install on the physical card.
your whole internal is actually partitioned into 2 areas
/ 1 small part for the OS/ROM ..etc
/ the LEFTOVER is actually read as THE SDcard !!!
use a file manager and explore the directories structure to see what I mean !!
so ... 2 future solutions:
1/ XDA DEVs will find a way to let us install to a preferred location. ( and they will !!... in due time )
2/ application developers just have to write their new programs to accommodate Honeycomb ..etc
Hello to all Streak owners
I've just bought a Streak that requires a new screen, and whilst replacing that I will be looking into replacing / upgrading the 2gb internal Micro SD card.
Now I've read some threads on here and believe you have to set it up correctly as it only recognises 2gb at a time, but thats not my query now, I'll find the info and if not then I'll post for help.
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My question is with Micro SD cards getting ever cheaper, and faster, higher performance ones dropping also in price, is it worth going in for these faster, higher performance cards???
Either for general Micro SD storage or internal storage, replacing the 2gb.
I know it seems common sense, by putting a faster or higher performance card in, should make it faster. But...
???)
Can the Streak make full use of the higher performance, faster cards?
When do you reach the point of overkill, or diminishing returns?
Can the streak support higher speed technology? (I believe I read somewhere that in fact the lower class cards were faster, although I don't understand this) If this is correct, someone please explain...
Ideally I'd like to know what is the fastest card the Streak can make use of? And what Micro SD technologies it can support?
Also if anyone has real world speeds for cards, (as I understand, often the numbers, classes manufacturers quote often mean nothing, compared to how they actually perform) or preferred manufacturers they could recommend, or links to tests, benchmarks, reviews etc.
Many, Many, Many thanks to this site and all its contributors,
I've used this site for many years, back when I had an XDA II from O2, lost / forgot that username, then again when got MDA Tmobile, AKA (Blueangel), but I don't post much as usually I'm able to find what I want, buy searching on the site or by xyz or whatever I want site:xda-developers.com in a popular search engine.
Best wishes and Seasons Greetings to you all,
John
Keep this in mind: at a certian point even if the card is compatable, the controller on the device itself will eventually be the bottleneck. Would this be the case? I have no idea, but adding in a faster card then the stock one has shown benefits.
Hello,
It seems NST can be fussy with MicroSD cards so a thread to determine requirements would be fantastic:
1) MicroSD, MicroSDHC and MicroSDXC - Which are supported? Which are recommended?
2) Capacity - After rooting what reasonable size card is required (basic app installation and an 'average' library)?
3) Class rating. You might think bigger is better but I've read reports that class 10 are no good. Similarly, below what class rating is the performance impaired?
For my own part, I am interested so that I either use a card I have or buy one as necessary. I have a plain old 2GB MicroSD (not HC or XC, and therefore without class rating). I'd like to use this to save a bit of cash (and because I've got it here ready and waiting, otherwise unused) however I'd like to be sure that it will operate acceptably both in terms of capacity and performance.
Thank you!
I used my NST for a short while with an old 2GB card, and it worked. I upgraded to a 32GB SanDisk Ultra Class 10/UHS-I SDHC, because I use Aardict with offline copies of Wikipedia etc. (~16GB or so) and it wasn't really economic to buy anything smaller or slower new. However, I've run into problems with the SD card disappearing until after a reboot (even with latuk's kernel with the Class 10 timeout patch that I pointed out to him), and when it comes back, it sometimes comes back with a corrupt filesystem (presumably as a result of the unexpected logical disconnection). I'm putting this down to the Class 10 speed of the card, and I've ordered a replacement Samsung 32GB Class 6 SDHC which I expect to be able to test soon.
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I used my NST for a short while with an old 2GB card, and it worked. I upgraded to a 32GB SanDisk Ultra Class 10/UHS-I SDHC, because I use Aardict with offline copies of Wikipedia etc. (~16GB or so) and it wasn't really economic to buy anything smaller or slower new. However, I've run into problems with the SD card disappearing until after a reboot (even with latuk's kernel with the Class 10 timeout patch that I pointed out to him), and when it comes back, it sometimes comes back with a corrupt filesystem (presumably as a result of the unexpected logical disconnection). I'm putting this down to the Class 10 speed of the card, and I've ordered a replacement Samsung 32GB Class 6 SDHC which I expect to be able to test soon.
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Thank you for the reply.
So;
1) Is 2GB enough for 'normal' usage - Stock apart from i) rooting, ii) Kindle App (and dictionary), iii) Launcher 8, iv) small collection of Kindle books (for future proof, let's say <100) and v) misc small apps (e.g., BBC News, BBC Weather)?
2) If Class 10 is to be avoided - Will there be any 'real life' speed difference between a SD and a Class 6 SDHC?
Thanks again!
Apps live in /data which is ~800MB of the Nook's built-in memory. Android 2.1 has no 'move to SD' option, so apps will only use the SD card for caches and offline data (e.g. like Aardict). epubs are usually a few hundred KB, so even if you only have 1GB free, that's still ~3500.
I don't think IO speeds are much of a factor when reading books on a Nook; the CPU and eInk display are probably far more relevant.
SD Card for me like most holds books which are tiny. I do use it to store titanium backup path. I have a few BnW Mangas on there. 2GB should be more than fine. If your buying a card then get a 8GB / 16GB / 32GB class 6 whatever is cheapest GB per £ or $
Class speeds have greatest affect on the write speed of the card. For my other less fussy devices I tend to use samsung class 10 32GB cards which are quite cheap at around £20. They seem just as reliable (or I should say as unreliable) as more expensive ones which have died on me.
I wish I had a cache of little crappy sdcards as I constant have to put disk images on them to flash an android device and it usually involved me backing up one of data sdcards and retask it.
Thanks for the help - I think I'll give the 2GB a try. I can always replace it if it is not up to task and it is not doing anything else, so...
For books (only use I'll have for it) it would seem capacity is a non-issue. As for speed - Well, it's not going to be up to Class 6 standard but I have my doubts that I'd even be able to tell... Especially after a numerous reports that in certain cases (small files) some higher class cards are actually outperformed by lower class cards. And, hey, after getting the guy so cheap the idea of another £20 on an SD card is not ideal. I'll report back if I encounter any problems. Thanks again!
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Thanks for the help - I think I'll give the 2GB a try. I can always replace it if it is not up to task and it is not doing anything else, so...
For books (only use I'll have for it) it would seem capacity is a non-issue. As for speed - Well, it's not going to be up to Class 6 standard but I have my doubts that I'd even be able to tell... Especially after a numerous reports that in certain cases (small files) some higher class cards are actually outperformed by lower class cards. And, hey, after getting the guy so cheap the idea of another £20 on an SD card is not ideal. I'll report back if I encounter any problems. Thanks again!
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Write speed is not issue when using as how often do you write the books etc to sdcard. I only mention it for if your spending money.
Trouble I small or low speed sdcards are still usually around £5 min so its does not make financial sense to buy them. Also beware buying cards on ebay or similar sites alot of fakes. If there a few pound how cares but if your spending more.
Got an old phone in drawer? Might have a 1GB card in it etc.
With black friday coming up, I'm looking for a large micro SD card. My main debate is through speed. I want the 128GB Sandisk microSD card, but it's capped to 30MB/s sequential reads, while the 64GB extreme goes up to 80MB/s. Can the tablet take advantage of those higher speeds? I want as little a difference between the internal memory and the external memory as possible. My only concern is 64GB may not be enough, as I download a metric ton of games, and I'm blowing through the internal memory. Basically, I'm asking for buying advice, and this is all very specific to the shield tablet. I have no other intended uses for the SD card.
I have a Samsung 64gb PRO up to 90mb/s and this is the result
Is that what the shield tablet is actually able to write at? If so, then it's worth it for the increased data loading in my games. That's my main concern. Also, how efficient is app2SD type transferring? I want to know if my SD card will be used effectively, or if I will still end up running out of storage space.
Nintonito said:
With black friday coming up, I'm looking for a large micro SD card. My main debate is through speed. I want the 128GB Sandisk microSD card, but it's capped to 30MB/s sequential reads, while the 64GB extreme goes up to 80MB/s. Can the tablet take advantage of those higher speeds? I want as little a difference between the internal memory and the external memory as possible. My only concern is 64GB may not be enough, as I download a metric ton of games, and I'm blowing through the internal memory. Basically, I'm asking for buying advice, and this is all very specific to the shield tablet. I have no other intended uses for the SD card.
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There's a new version of the 128gb that rated 48mb/s. But if you want faster card you can only get them in 64gb. Like the Samsung pro at 90mb/s.
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There's a new version of the 128gb that rated 48mb/s. But if you want faster card you can only get them in 64gb. Like the Samsung pro at 90mb/s.
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I'm afraid to ask how much this new 128GB model is. I can't justify spending $200 on a micro SD solely for tablet storage.
Nintonito said:
I'm afraid to ask how much this new 128GB model is. I can't justify spending $200 on a micro SD solely for tablet storage.
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I got one for my note 4 at $109. Might find good deals on black Friday
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Memor...416866651&sr=1-1&keywords=128gb+micro+sd+card
Unfortunately this isn't available yet in canada
Mine is a Samsung 64gb UHS-1 pro, formatted with NTFS and 64gb cluster size:
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Unfortunately this isn't available yet in canada
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I see. But I think even at 48mp/s, it's not gonna be the same as internal. If you want something close then the Samsung Pro 64gb with 90mb/s is your best bet. But you are only going to match the read speed. The internal memory's write speed is still faster by 2x. But I really doubt you're going to care about that much if you're just transferring 1-2gb of data to the sdcard. And I'm assuming these are game data? Once those are transferred, it's pretty much done with. Even with my 64gb card now with 11.73 mb/s write speed is plenty fast when I move files to the card. If there are game saves that needs to write to the card, they are gonna be small data. I have about 20 game data on the SD card using Folder Mount and I don't find any issue launching them. The only one that I noticed takes longer is Half Life.
Yeah that definitely sounds good. Faster the better. I want a seamless experience.
Does anyone have experience with PNY sd cards? I saw one for $110 that's a 128GB card with 40MB/s sequential read speeds. How would the card perform, ans would it be enough?
Personally I don't think the extra speed will make that big of a difference. Those benchmarks provide controlled and consistent circumstances which are not realistic. Almost nothing you do on the tablet in normal use will push the read speeds. Tbh write speeds could be more important, as they are typically much slower then write speeds. I'm not saying read speed doesn't matter, but that there is certainly a diminishing return on speeds.
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http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-High-Pe...id=1417018420&sr=8-6&keywords=128+gb+micro+sd
Currently that's the fastest 128 GB card I've found, but you're going to pay for it out the nose. I'd vote to wait a bit and see if you can swing it with at 64 GB UHS card first, like the Samsung Pro series. The faster the card the more seamless the experience will be, and even though use will not mimic the benchmark situation it's still going to take less time to write and read to a very fast card in daily use so it will make a difference for sure.
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http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-High-Pe...id=1417018420&sr=8-6&keywords=128+gb+micro+sd
Currently that's the fastest 128 GB card I've found, but you're going to pay for it out the nose. I'd vote to wait a bit and see if you can swing it with at 64 GB UHS card first, like the Samsung Pro series. The faster the card the more seamless the experience will be, and even though use will not mimic the benchmark situation it's still going to take less time to write and read to a very fast card in daily use so it will make a difference for sure.
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What about if I simply want to use it to load up and watch videos? No gaming nothing else. Is a SanDisk 128GB microSDXC @ 30MB good enough for that? Like say, this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SanDisk-128...05&prg=11353&rk=3&rkt=6&sd=151483862076&rt=nc
Yes that should be fine I just wouldn't put any apps on it at all only media
Thanks for your help guys. Ended up buying a Sandisk UHS-3 64GB card for $100. So far so good. Although android's sd card support for apps is SO BAD.
While the headline might seem familiar with the same keywords of Samsung producing 128GB flash storage modules, this story is different from the previous one. Last month, Samsung announced a 128GB storage based on the new and anticipated UFS 2.0 standard and targeted for flagship high-end devices — it made its debut in the Galaxy S6 and S6 Edge. This new module, however, is based on the established eMMC standard and it will appear in mass market mid-range devices.
If you missed the previous explanation about the difference between eMMC and UFS, you should know that eMMC is the de-facto standard for storage on smartphones right now. It differs from the swanky UFS 2.0 in two areas: it can't read and write simultaneously and it doesn't have a Command Queue system to sort and re-order the tasks it needs to perform. By comparison, it is slower than UFS, but it remains significantly faster than external MicroSD storage.
Samsung's new 128GB flash uses eMMC 5.0 (there's a newer 5.1 standard that is slightly faster), and can deliver sequential reading speeds of 260 MB/s, random reading at 6000 IOPS (input/output per second), and random writing at 5000 IOPS. It is a "value-focused" module and the company's aim is for "mid-market smartphones [to] be able to increase their storage capacity to 128GB." There's no word on when this module will start appearing in phones and tablets, but you should hear about 128GB devices from Samsung and other OEMs later in the year.
It's worth noting that Samsung also highlights the speed gains compared to external memory cards in its press release, so you might want to take the hint that the company's devices that will be equipped with this new flash module won't have a MicroSD slot. Financially, it makes a lot of sense given the mark-up difference that added built-in storage incurs compared to external storage. And Samsung can rake in that extra casheesh instead of sending it SanDisk's (or Kingston's or other companies') way.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...rage-module-for-mid-range-phones-and-tablets/
Complaining about the lack of micro SD is still a thing? I thought we went over this... multiple times...
It's time to accept the reality that all of the S6 versions will not have micro SD. If you need a micro SD then simply grab another phone.
I don't buy it. Does that mean USB OTG isn't going to work, either?
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I don't buy it. Does that mean USB OTG isn't going to work, either?
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Why wouldn't it work?
I actually am not bothered by lack if sdcard support as long as bigger storages wont be overpriced like hell. Anyways personally, for me speed and responsivness > sd card support
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Why wouldn't it work?
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Well, if it's too slow compared to the built in flash...
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Well, if it's too slow compared to the built in flash...
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There's nothing in the software which prohibits it from being discovered by a file browser. It works but read/write speed in the music/video player apps is slower than if the files were on the internal storage themselves.
So, is this a confirmation on a feature which may or may not exist, on a phone which doesn't currently exist?
The SD card was an issue when the phone only had 8 or 16 GB of internal storage. Now that the phone has minimum 32 GB with an option of having 64Gb (of much faster storage) for a manageable price I don't think the SD card is a problem anymore. Most people i know only use a 32 GB SD card anyway.
Looks like USB OTG will work fine:
http://www.androidcentral.com/dealing-local-storage-backups-galaxy-s6-and-galaxy-s6-edge
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There's nothing in the software which prohibits it from being discovered by a file browser. It works but read/write speed in the music/video player apps is slower than if the files were on the internal storage themselves.
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It was supposed to be a joke.
Samsung's Galaxy S6 Active may come with a microSD card slot, but at a high cost
Reddit user “garshol” sat down with a Samsung rep a couple of days ago to discuss the new Galaxies, and the Active was among the topics at the table. The ruggedized version of Sammy's latest flagship will boast “similar” hardware under the hood, according to the report, and will come with an SD card slot. However, it will also come at a cost – according to garshol's posts, the Active's camera will be a lower class than the one on the flagship model, but at least it may still have OIS. Additionally, the endurance model will not have a fingerprint scanner, and will lack a heartbeat sensor.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...-microSD-card-slot-but-at-a-high-cost_id67615
These tradeoffs would be acceptable to me. I'm curious about what the dimensions and weight of the phone will be.
I've read a few comments on some sites that suggest including an SD card slot and its associated controller slow down the overall performance of a phone, even if there's no SD card inserted. I have no idea if this is true, but if so, I can at least understand why the S6 lacks SD from a performance standpoint. I've assumed that Samsung's assertion that SD was too slow for the S6 was because they didn't want benchmarks/comments that the built-in internal storage is lightning fast, but SD card is still slow. More of a "we don't want any suggestions that ANY aspect of the S6 is slow", even though most users are well aware of SD's limitations and are primarily interested in simply having the ability to easily expand the storage space despite it not keeping up with the phone storage speeds.
I definitely will not be getting the S6 due to the lack of removable battery and lack of micro SD slot. I think that HTC and LG are going in the right direction here.