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This thread is actually meant for discussion about how doze works, whether it works (debateable), setup and everything.
My suspicions is that doze does not work for custom ROM or any Android OS that is not certified by Google. My reasoning behind this is quite simple.
What I did:
1. On various 5.x ROM, if I were to leave my phone overnight and even with wakelocks, I have never lost more than 3% of battery.
2. On kitkat, the situation is similar and I have never also lost more than 3% overnight.
3. On multiple MarshMallow ROM, leaving the phone overnight drains more than 4%.
To make things clear, on Kitkat and Lollipop, my phone was left idling for more than 8hrs. But on MarshMallow, I have only left the phone for 6hrs and I lost more than what is on Kitkat and Lollipop giving me the idea that doze does not work. I have checked the battery graph in settings and it shows that there's barely any wakeups for the device but battery was dropping quite noticeably.
I have attached a image of my stats today in school. If you take a look closely, there's a certain period of time where under the "Awake" section, there's no wakeups, my battery was still dropping and doze was not even kicking in at all. And I can assure you, that was over a period of 2hrs as I did not touch my phone during class time.
For those that are interested in configuring Doze to test whether my words are accurate or not, I've have the necessary apps linked below.
Doze Settings Editor: http://goo.gl/02bkYl
NapTime: http://goo.gl/AMQdOx
For those that are interested to chip in the discussion, feel free to do so. Uploads screenshots of your battery graph to backup your words for better and more fruitful discussions to come. This is not about battery life related like SOT, standby etc. It's mainly for discussion about doze whether its working for you or not. Or if doze is actually working and not a gimmick. I don't know.
Bobbi lim said:
For those that are interested in configuring Doze to test whether my words are accurate or not, I've have the necessary apps linked below.
Doze Settings Editor: http://goo.gl/02bkYl
NapTime: http://goo.gl/AMQdOx
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As far as my experience goes with MM and KK ROMs,
I completely agree what you told about battery life in KK.
However, that was KK! Battery life in MM is much better than that in LP. I agree that KK was much optimized. But forget about it for now as ALL the Custom ROMs based on MM are still in ALPHA stage.
It means that you can expect better battery life than current scenarios once CM provides STABLE builds
Regarding Doze Mode, yes it works for me
These are my today's battery life stats https://www.imgur.com/a/PC2V4
good call man,
I have notice that too. I tried all thats MM roms alpha in Xda. even in oficial Cyanogen nightly the battery life is something like good and not awesome like promised.
until now the best battery life in all Roms between KK , LP and MM is in Paranoid Android Stable Rom.
PS.: I have use Greenify in all that ****.
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As far as my experience goes with MM and KK ROMs,
I completely agree what you told about battery life in KK.
However, that was KK! Battery life in MM is much better than that in LP. I agree that KK was much optimized. But forget about it for now as ALL the Custom ROMs based on MM are still in ALPHA stage.
It means that you can expect better battery life than current scenarios once CM provides STABLE builds
Regarding Doze Mode, yes it works for me
These are my today's battery life stats https://www.imgur.com/a/PC2V4
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Hi there! I would like to know if u r using V4A FX on ur phone? I have seen people complaining about the battery life using the same ROM that u r using.
As for what i have noticed that earlier when there was no workaround for the r/w system remount error there was no way of making V4A work which is why i was only using the default audio fx and at that time i was getting almost the same battery stats as ur's sir. I just believe that V4A could be the reason of the drain as while installing it warns us firsthand about the battery drain it can cause.
I know that what i am saying is not the case with either kitkat or lollipop. This could be because V4A hasn't been exactly made for Marshmallow yet.
Using doze settings editor to have doze kick in instantaneous whether in motion or not I have noticed I no longer receive emails through gmail if my screen is off. If I'm using my phone I'll get a notification but if the screen is off I won't get a notification until I open the app.
Also my battery life is better than ever. I'm not getting ridiculous sot or anything but standby is great. Off the charger at 6am and back on around 12am I'm left with 20 -30% left on average where as on lp it'd be dead by 8pm. Averaging 5.5 sot. Using official CM13. Just switched to Sultans CM13 and battery already seems much better.
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Using doze settings editor to have doze kick in instantaneous whether in motion or not I have noticed I no longer receive emails through gmail if my screen is off. If I'm using my phone I'll get a notification but if the screen is off I won't get a notification until I open the app.
Also my battery life is better than ever. I'm not getting ridiculous sot or anything but standby is great. Off the charger at 6am and back on around 12am I'm left with 20 -30% left on average where as on lp it'd be dead by 8pm. Averaging 5.5 sot. Using official CM13. Just switched to Sultans CM13 and battery already seems much better.
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I've tried multiple MM ROM - from AOSParadox -> BrokenOS -> Omni ROM -> SlimSaber (Omni-based) -> CM13 CAF/ CM13 Nightlies and with or without configuring doze using NapTime or Doze Settings Editor, I can easily get past 2 days of standby with 6.5hrs of SOT which in comparison to Lollipop is much better overall.
But no matter I set doze to kick in 5mins, 10mins, 15mins or 30mins, I don't see much doze really doing wonders during deep sleep. And to make my test consistent, I had left the phone in airplane mode over 2hrs and my standby loss throughout that 2hrs was 2% which compared to Lollipop is quite bad as placing the phone in airplane mode can result in 0.3-0.5% battery loss in 2hrs.
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I've tried multiple MM ROM - from AOSParadox -> BrokenOS -> Omni ROM -> SlimSaber (Omni-based) -> CM13 CAF/ CM13 Nightlies and with or without configuring doze using NapTime or Doze Settings Editor, I can easily get past 2 days of standby with 6.5hrs of SOT which in comparison to Lollipop is much better overall.
But no matter I set doze to kick in 5mins, 10mins, 15mins or 30mins, I don't see much doze really doing wonders during deep sleep. And to make my test consistent, I had left the phone in airplane mode over 2hrs and my standby loss throughout that 2hrs was 2% which compared to Lollipop is quite bad as placing the phone in airplane mode can result in 0.3-0.5% battery loss in 2hrs.
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I kinda am getting the same if not similar impressions. I've tried most of the super alpha builds of most 6.0 Roms until Sultan Started his CAF CM13 builds which is what I've stuck with since then.
Battery life seems to be Marginally better than LP, I haven't used any KK roms on my phone so I don't really have a baseline to go off of for getting ridiculous battery life. I am however getting an average of about a solid day and a half on a single charge. 5 hours SOT is the most ive been able to achieve. Nothing to complain or gripe about, I can get a full day of heavy usage without worrying about plugging in to make it to the end of the day so I'm happy.
The one thing I CAN say however, is Marshmallow definitely feels so much more fluid and snappier than LP, and RAM management seems to be much better. I have apps still in memory from like the previous day, and when I open my app, its right where I left off, versus reloading the app. So I call that a win :good:
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Betterbatterystats isn't reporting many wakelocks at all on MM, (even without amplify or xposed). All I've got are Greenify and Naptime by Franco. The main thing waking up my device is Google Play Services Alarms, (related to Google Cloud Messenger) and that's understandable, as Google Play Services is the only package that is 'not optimised' by doze in the battery optimisation menu. The CPU states say that my device is in deep sleep almost the entire time that the screen is off, which means that doze really is doing its job. Only thing left to be desired is a rom + Kernel setup that is battery friendly during screen on, but that will come as MM roms exit the Alpha stage.
All this being said, I feel that MM does a much better job with battery than majority of LP roms. Only thing that's come close in LP for me is a heavily optimised setup with Sultan's CM (+Greenify, xposed, amplify, etc etc).
By how Google advertised Doze, you should not be losing much battery when its in Doze mode but that isn't the case. We are able to enter deep sleep on our devices but we are not able to enter Doze.
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I'm on stock cm 12.1 not rooted and I loose only 2% battery at night.. Very rare its 3%. By what you guys are posting, I think I'm better off with stock rather than marshmallow
I have not test MM roms
But from my little expirience from donut android version to lollipop
you testing different various settings
Any upgrade hide new hardware support
First was
better camera like dslr
After was cpu cores and power
Leds
Faceunlock
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Greenify, amplify was growing up fast beacause older or middle range devices could not handle upgrades
MM has bluetooth standby wifi standby fingweprint standby
Even if you switch off code is there and system kepp reading
All rhis various hardwares consumption without this new feature without simmilar tricks will conssume your bateery in half time
Even to lollipop if you switch off wifi stand by will gain 2%more at standby
I think DOZE isn't included in 6.0, or isn't optimized. In CM12.1 I lost 1-2% overnight, in CM13 I lose 4-5% overnight. DOZE is a Google / Android trade mark lie.
you guys should try Omnirom, I think they got it working
I'm running omni and pretty sure it is working. after leaving it off charger the other night, I lost 1 percent and it checked out in bbs .2%/hour drain. the best I had on lollipop was .5% and that was without Google installed. but I normally charge overnight so I don't have much more data, also been working overnights lately and use always on VPN, so need to keep watch on stats some more but that is my experience so far.
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I've tried multiple MM ROM - from AOSParadox -> BrokenOS -> Omni ROM -> SlimSaber (Omni-based) -> CM13 CAF/ CM13 Nightlies and with or without configuring doze using NapTime or Doze Settings Editor, I can easily get past 2 days of standby with 6.5hrs of SOT which in comparison to Lollipop is much better overall.
But no matter I set doze to kick in 5mins, 10mins, 15mins or 30mins, I don't see much doze really doing wonders during deep sleep. And to make my test consistent, I had left the phone in airplane mode over 2hrs and my standby loss throughout that 2hrs was 2% which compared to Lollipop is quite bad as placing the phone in airplane mode can result in 0.3-0.5% battery loss in 2hrs.
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Something must be different in your set up cause overnight on Omni MM I get 1/2% battery drain overnight. As far as my usage dictates battery life at least in standby is much better than KK and LP. I don't use Naptime/doze editor or any random apps for triggering doze instantly. It's easy to make sweeping statements like you did in the OP and in subsequent posts but your experience isn't representative of everyone else's but its a discussion thread so I guess it ok.
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That is weird, it is troublesome to check battery life consistently cause I'm flashing very frequently, but what I have observed, I was on Sultanxda's CM13 build, probably last week, checked battery level, it was 46%, aggressive doze was on through Greenify, and I usually do a lot of tweaks here and there to increase battery life, woke up 6 hours later, and guess what, 46% !!! Probably it was at the beginning of 46th % before I went to sleep and by morning it was edge of 46th % but that's less than 1% in 6 hours. WiFi was on, and selected 3-4 syncs were also on.
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That is weird, it is troublesome to check battery life consistently cause I'm flashing very frequently, but what I have observed, I was on Sultanxda's CM13 build, probably last week, checked battery level, it was 46%, aggressive doze was on through Greenify, and I usually do a lot of tweaks here and there to increase battery life, woke up 6 hours later, and guess what, 46% !!! Probably it was at the beginning of 46th % before I went to sleep and by morning it was edge of 46th % but that's less than 1% in 6 hours. WiFi was on, and selected 3-4 syncs were also on.
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You're right probably just means you lost less than 1% during that period which isn't strange in my experience. The norm on MM is 1% or less IOW flat battery graph in stats
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Renosh said:
You're right probably just means you lost less than 1% during that period which isn't strange in my experience. The norm on MM is 1% or less IOW flat battery graph in stats
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Yep, flat battery graph in stats indeed. But it still takes a substantial hit due to mobile radio active bug, what I notice, it is more severe in some ROMs and less in others. So, yes, I believe doze is working, is it so great as per the hype ? Yes, cause Google only spoke about idle battery drain, and the idle battery drain is really less.
Probably tonight I'll check how good it does with 3G on and WiFi off, how much it works with mobile radio active bug.
Hi everyone,
I have got my Oneplus Two ever since last September. It is a great phone overall. However, one thing that's bugging me is the battery life. I admit I am a relatively heavy user, but I can only squeeze out about 3 hours of screen on time out of it.
I thought earlier, maybe it is the problem of Oxygen OS (it overheats like hell as well). Then I switched to CM13 roms. CM13 does not overheat at all and is smooth all the time. But the battery performance is still not ideal. I would say it's probably just 10% better than OOS..
Any ideas on this? I don't care about warranty and I am an engineer .. should I maybe try to replace the battery? I suspect the battery is dodgy after lots of overheating in the OOS..
Thanks for advice!! Cheers.
3 hours heavy use is pretty standard for the phone. The phone doesn't let the battery get to dangerous temps so I don't think that's the thing. Android has always had kinda poor battery life at least when it comes to standby times. I'm on Seraphs CM13 and it seems to have a decent power consumption, maybe give it a try?
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3 hours heavy use is pretty standard for the phone. The phone doesn't let the battery get to dangerous temps so I don't think that's the thing. Android has always had kinda poor battery life at least when it comes to standby times. I'm on Seraphs CM13 and it seems to have a decent power consumption, maybe give it a try?
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Thanks! I will try it out!
As Kirahvi said 3hrs are, more or less, normal for OOS 2.2.1 stock.. Now I'm using stock rom with boeffla (which allow underclock), Amplify and greenify.. and my SoT is about 5.30hrs!
3 hours is also the max I've ever gotten, though its usually a little less than that for me. I am a heavy user of my smartphones while I'm commuting on the train, because I have music on + constant screen on while surfing the web/facebook/twitter. And while I'm at work I have bluetooth connection to my Huawei watch to receive notifications throughout the day. Nowhere near the folks who managed to squeeze 4hrs - 6hrs SOT daily but overall still reasonable.
Battery life for me is the same on OOS and CM13. Standby time on marshmallow is a little better with the introduction of Doze, though it only works if your device is left stationary for a period of time.
I'd also like to point out that battery life is the same for me with or without the Facebook/FB Messenger app. Thats why I left them installed.
I got 4 hours if I tweaked the heck out of thing, reduced brightness and just managed power ad much as possible, but more often then not I was at 3.5 or less. I am using the Hydrogen beta and I get 4.5 without any effort and have even hit 5. You might try that too, I have tried ALL the CM13 ROMs it feels like, in fact I keep a backup of Seraphs nightlys as I like it so much better than hydrogen, but by far hydrogen gets the best battery life...and its not close.
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More than 4 hours is just because people read a lot on their phone, 6+ hours I think you can easily reach that lowering the brightness, under clocking, never turn off screen and just let phone idle don't even touch screen never
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My battery stats
I used daily ALARM and didn't use POWER SAVING MODE at all.
Running stock Kitkat latest firmware.
shahfaishal said:
I used daily ALARM and didn't use POWER SAVING MODE at all.
Running stock Kitkat latest firmware.
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Troll? That's ui is an touch wiz ui by Samsung.. [emoji22]
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my phone is approx 22months old.. so its not a troll!
Guys,what lot of people not really undarstanding,SOT its not really show you how is the battery,lot of else is playing in the background which is affecting your battery.
for example:
-celluar coverage(if you got less the perfect conennection its gonna drain your bettery,and no its doesnt matter how big city you living,more people,more house ,less coverage
-wifi (same as above,how good and stable your connection,as less the drain)
-kind of apps(which is more frequently sync,and connecting with gps ,those use more battery)
-How long is the phone without the charger(yes if you pull off the charger and living on the table always screen on ,using a bit and after 4h you uploding the stat,is it the same?? NO!)
Im living in central London with bad coverage,bad wifi connection all around,and from 9am till 1am I got around 3h SOT,which I think not bad with these condition.
So guys dont compare each other SOT ,couse every connections and condition is different.
I have rooted my phone yesterday and has since then installed Amplify, Greenify, Servicely, Coolify, and Titanium backup to disable all that is considered as "bloatware" by Package Disabled Pro (which the app itself does not function on rooted devices). I can't say for sure my SOTs yet, but battery seems to be draining pretty fast for me and it heats up faster than normal when on stock. And I also did flash the fix zip for all the bugs after root.
How are all of you all phones after root and what other adjustments have any of you done?
Just an update for leaving my fully charged phone unplugged overnight, I lost 4% at a rate of 0.7% an hour over nearly 6 hours. Checked Gsam stats and I saw phone signal was using 80 something percent of the power.
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I have rooted my phone yesterday and has since then installed Amplify, Greenify, Servicely, Coolify, and Titanium backup to disable all that is considered as "bloatware" by Package Disabled Pro (which the app itself does not function on rooted devices). I can't say for sure my SOTs yet, but battery seems to be draining pretty fast for me and it heats up faster than normal when on stock. And I also did flash the fix zip for all the bugs after root.
How are all of you all phones after root and what other adjustments have any of you done?
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I experienced the same, higher battery consumption, slower phone and it heats up pretty quickly even just being in one app for longer than 5 mins. I tried the interactive kernel and still the same. Also I had greenify, forcedoze, naptime, Amplify you name it and the phone would not enter that "doze" mode it was supposed to, something in the background was not letting the phone sleep. Also something that bothered me a lot was the lag. I haven't been able to get at least 3 hrs SOT, before root with greenify I was able to do 4.5-5 hrs SOT with normal usage. I am seriously thinking to reverting back to stock.
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I experienced the same, higher battery consumption, slower phone and it heats up pretty quickly even just being in one app for longer than 5 mins. I tried the interactive kernel and still the same. Also I had greenify, forcedoze, naptime, Amplify you name it and the phone would not enter that "doze" mode it was supposed to, something in the background was not letting the phone sleep. Also something that bothered me a lot was the lag. I haven't been able to get at least 3 hrs SOT, before root with greenify I was able to do 4.5-5 hrs SOT with normal usage. I am seriously thinking to reverting back to stock.
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Aha, that sounds about right. I'm at 51% right now and it's only 2 hours of SOT. Although that's mostly because of a lot of overheating here in Orlando and playing Pokemon Go, I still see pretty fast drainage from just using any one app too.
I just flashed and 935 U and rooted the night before last,so I haven't had much time on it yet, but mine has been much better. I was about to send my phone in to have the battery replaced because I could hardly get 2 or 3hrs of sot on stock. Yesterday I used it very heavy, redownloading all my Gear VR apps and games and playing Minecraft VR for almost an hour. I did a lot of other work and downloading apps and at the end I had 4hrs of sot and still had 20% left, though I don't remember my total time on battery.
I did more adjusting today, I turned on all the Xposed options in Greenify, and greenifyed a ton of apps following the Guide for flashing U firmware, and so far I have 84% with 6hrs on time and about and hour of sot time.
I though I heard it takes a couple of days for Greenify and Amplify to learn and make adjustments. Maybe give it a few days. I am not sure if you did or not, but I have always found that it is a good idea to do a factory reset when doing major system adjustments like rooting, or major updates.
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I just flashed and 935 U and rooted the night before last,so I haven't had much time on it yet, but mine has been much better. I was about to send my phone in to have the battery replaced because I could hardly get 2 or 3hrs of sot on stock. Yesterday I used it very heavy, redownloading all my Gear VR apps and games and playing Minecraft VR for almost an hour. I did a lot of other work and downloading apps and at the end I had 4hrs of sot and still had 20% left, though I don't remember my total time on battery.
I did more adjusting today, I turned on all the Xposed options in Greenify, and greenifyed a ton of apps following the Guide for flashing U firmware, and so far I have 84% with 6hrs on time and about and hour of sot time.
I though I heard it takes a couple of days for Greenify and Amplify to learn and make adjustments. Maybe give it a few days. I am not sure if you did or not, but I have always found that it is a good idea to do a factory reset when doing major system adjustments like rooting, or major updates.
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Dude, that sounds impossible to achieve 6 hours of SOT while only losing 16%. I'd like to see some screenshots of everything that you did and how you can achieve such results while using daily functions with stuff such as Facebook and all that.
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Dude, that sounds impossible to achieve 6 hours of SOT while only losing 16%. I'd like to see some screenshots of everything that you did and how you can achieve such results while using daily functions with stuff such as Facebook and all that.
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He said 6 hours of "on" time and an hour of SOT...
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Dirtdawg57 said:
I just flashed and 935 U and rooted the night before last,so I haven't had much time on it yet, but mine has been much better. I was about to send my phone in to have the battery replaced because I could hardly get 2 or 3hrs of sot on stock. Yesterday I used it very heavy, redownloading all my Gear VR apps and games and playing Minecraft VR for almost an hour. I did a lot of other work and downloading apps and at the end I had 4hrs of sot and still had 20% left, though I don't remember my total time on battery.
I did more adjusting today, I turned on all the Xposed options in Greenify, and greenifyed a ton of apps following the Guide for flashing U firmware, and so far I have 84% with 6hrs on time and about and hour of sot time.
I though I heard it takes a couple of days for Greenify and Amplify to learn and make adjustments. Maybe give it a few days. I am not sure if you did or not, but I have always found that it is a good idea to do a factory reset when doing major system adjustments like rooting, or major updates.
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He said 6 hours of "on" time and an hour of SOT...
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Whoops.... My bad. I'd still like to know accurate battery stats and see what's his setup is though. I think I realized that my phone may be heating up too quickly because I altered the governor when I don't think I needed to after flashing @psouza4 's fix+debloat zip for my phone.
That puts in debate though, will the 935U make a huge difference in battery life?
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Whoops.... My bad. I'd still like to know accurate battery stats and see what's his setup is though. I think I realized that my phone may be heating up too quickly because I altered the governor when I don't think I needed to after flashing @psouza4 's fix+debloat zip for my phone.
That puts in debate though, will the 935U make a huge difference in battery life?
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Honest mistake, I have no comment on the other things you've mentioned unfortunately as I've decided to wait it out until things get a little more stable with the rooted firmware. First smart phone I've owned where I haven't rooted immediately after an exploit was found. I just need everything to work right now with little intervention on my part lol... smh... it's a sad sad day for me
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I am at work and don't have time at the moment to go over everything at the moment, but when I will write it out and get some screenshots. I ended up with 4hrs 27mins sot last night and had 13% left. I should mention that I leave the brightness on auto, because I imagine that make's a big difference and a lot of people like their screens at max brightness.
I ended up being busy so I don't have time to mention everything tonight but here is some picture proof. It wasn't as good today, I think because I work in the basement of a hospital where the service is bad and I am constantly switching between wifi antenna's. I also realized that Amplify doesn't come pre-setup, so it wasn't doing much of anything. Tonight I set it up so I am anxious to see if it helps. I also bought better battery stats today so I can get some more detailed info. Wednesday I am off and might be able to test it better.
I will also say I have way less lag after switching to U firmware and rooting. Mine was getting pretty bad on stock. I like having more control over what I can freeze again.
My battery drain is about the same before and after root, which is 2 or 3% an hour in standby with AOD on and BT connected to Gear S2. Wifi off unless charging, nearby device scanning off, Android backup off, all of psouza4's tweaks, brightness on auto, etc. Screen-on time generally close to 5 hours if I'm indoors, which I usually am, though I never use it that long without charging it. I looked just now and with 51% charge I have 2h24m SOT and 7h30m powered on. Most of that was light use reading news and stuff.
I might try the U firmware just for fun, not to try and get better battery life.
Overall, basically no change in battery life for me according to the discharge rates (%/hr).
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My battery drain is about the same before and after root, which is 2 or 3% an hour in standby with AOD on and BT connected to Gear S2. Wifi off unless charging, nearby device scanning off, Android backup off, all of psouza4's tweaks, brightness on auto, etc. Screen-on time generally close to 5 hours if I'm indoors, which I usually am, though I ne TVver use it that long without charging it. I looked just now and with 51% charge I have 2h24m SOT and 7h30m powered on. Most of that was light use reading news and stuff.
I might try the U firmware just for fun, not to try and get better battery life.
Overall, basically no change in battery life for me according to the discharge rates (%/hr).
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Yeah, something isn't cutting out for me being on root. I had much better battery life before easily achieving 1 hour of SOT by 88-90% and 3 hours of SOT by 50%. Something is really draining my phone faster than usual despite all the battery mods I did even on the U firmware.
If only I could be on the U firmware and keep the Advanced Calling and Visual Voicemail. >__>
battery life and performance issues are why I am back to stock after flashing all roms that are out there and still not worth being rooted.. I have been waiting for the better roms to come forward, but not to much support for the Verizon s7 due to the locked bootloader
So I had Nougat ever since it came out and used it a lot, but went back to Marshmallow a couple of days ago because of:
...Battery life. No matter what apps, settings, versions (B360, B380, B381), recommendations etc. - Battery life is simply better and more reliable on Marshmallow. Yes, I know, I did factory resets, downgrade, upgrade via OTA, deactivated this and that, pretty much everything you read on the threads here and elsewhere, it still couldn't catch up to Marshmallow. Don't get me wrong, battery life on Nougat is not terrible - I even convinced myself over the months that it is pretty much the same or even better, but that's simply just wishful thinking. As soon as I downgraded I could notice a significant improvement.
What do I mean by improvement? For once it is more reliable meaning I know what I get. On Nougat I had days where I got 3 hours SOT, then 4 or 5 on others. I had 2 percent stanby drain per hour, then 5, then 1 - it was just more random. On Marshmallow I always get pretty much the same. Stanby drain of 1 percent or less per hour and SOT of 6 or more hours (I'm at 3:40 SOT at the moment with 18 hours and 45 minutes since the last charge and exactly 50 percent battery left). So not only is it more reliable, it also gives me more SOT and lower standby drain.
Regarding the standby drain: When installing apps like ForceDoze on Marshmallow, it lets the device enter Deep Doze the minute I turn off the phone (meaning I often have deep doze rates of above 98%) which leads to little to almost no standby drain without losing any benefits (notifications still come through when added to the whitelist). Deep sleeps rates are also above 90 percent. With Nougat deeps sleep rates are only around 80 percent (given the same apps, settings etc.) and doze rates are much worse. Yes, I know all about light and deep doze, but light doze doesn't start until 5 minutes after the device is turned off (even with apps like ForceDoze) and those 5 minutes add up, especially if you are checking your device often. Also, it doesn't enter deep doze which arguably consumes less power until much later (often hours) and there is also no way I could change that with ForceDoze or Greenify. What's more, the ForceDoze setting of "ignore device movement" actually works on Marshmallow but didn't reliably work on Nougat meaning the deivce enters and stays in deep doze the minute you turn off your phone even if you are moving or driving etc. This made the difference between Marshmallow and Nougat even greater for me when driving or walking around town.
One additional thing I noticed. is that Android System and Kernel (Android OS) usage was higher on Nougat than on Marshmallow, which also worsened battery life on Nougat for me. Again, this could be reliably replicated with the same apps, settings etc.
Granted, everything else is pretty much better on Nougat (speed, UI, notification bar, lock-screen, security updates, additional features etc.), but if you value battery life above everyhing else (which I do), I still think Marshmallow is the best on the Honor 8 and, frankly, I don't see the point of updating to a newer version of Android if it doesn't come with at least the same battery life, as it is one of the most central features of a phone. I don't know and don't really care whether it's Nougat itself or Honor, I just hope that eventually (maybe with B38X or B39X), battery life will fully match that of Marshmallow. What do you guys think? What's your experience?
I never used MM longer than a day or two before upgrading to N, so I can't comment on which is better, but I can confirm that (with N) I've seen random days where the battery drain is unreal during standby, and other days when it hardly drains at all during standby. But ever since I performed a factory reset after upgrading to N, the drain has been very predictable. Standby drain is minimal and SOT is 6+ hrs. Hard for me to complain when I couldn't get that much SOT from the Sony Xperia Z3 Compact on KK, and that was a battery champ! I finally feel like I'm getting the newest features and great battery life at the same time.
You need a choice for people who never used MM in your pole to make it more accurate.
My wife just got her Honor 8 today. It's on Marshmallow. Mine is on the latest Nogat. Each update killed my battery life not significantly but noticably. I can relate to you wanting to downgrade.
While I never had an Honor 8 with Marshmallow, I was about to update her phone to the latest until I saw this thread and am glad I didn't. If Oreo fixes battery life issues, I'll happily update both our phones to it.
For her, this is her first Android and is coming from Apple. Last thing I wanna do is give her an excuse (battery life is a great one) to go back to Apple.
And the funny thing is....she doesn't care about the app tray like most of us Android users lol
Let's see how this pans out!
tiguy99 said:
My wife just got her Honor 8 today. It's on Marshmallow. Mine is on the latest Nogat. Each update killed my battery life not significantly but noticably. I can relate to you wanting to downgrade.
While I never had an Honor 8 with Marshmallow, I was about to update her phone to the latest until I saw this thread and am glad I didn't. If Oreo fixes battery life issues, I'll happily update both our phones to it.
For her, this is her first Android and is coming from Apple. Last thing I wanna do is give her an excuse (battery life is a great one) to go back to Apple.
And the funny thing is....she doesn't care about the app tray like most of us Android users lol
Let's see how this pans out!
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An older battery compared to a new one. One lasts longer, that's so crazy to think batteries might depreciate over time. ?
I bet you think you can kill your battery by leaving it plugged in too.
agraceful said:
An older battery compared to a new one. One lasts longer, that's so crazy to think batteries might depreciate over time. ?
I bet you think you can kill your battery by leaving it plugged in too.
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I like this guy.
Good to see there's still a few "passionate battery life" folks left on XDA.
I was almost starting to forget how good it felt to run into another one of you.
Keep hope alive my brother!
Keep hope alive
I flashed the leaked Android Oreo OTA to my Verizon Galaxy S8 and am experiencing pretty terrible battery life. I'm getting about 2 1/2 hours of SoT which I find bad for 2018. Meanwhile, my Verizon LG V30 with Nougat is getting 5+ hours of SoT which drives me crazy. Any tips to improve? Also, how's your battery life with Oreo on your S8?
I haven't taken the dive for the Oreo beta based ROMs but have been following the threads and the consensus is that at present Oreo is no better than N, it actually seems to be a little worse for most, hence I'll wait for a while still before jumping to O, give it more time for fine tuning on the S8 by developers etc. just my opinion, plus I get 6 odd hours of SoT on my N custom ROM so I have no urgency to go to O until its more polished.
Terrible, i updated mine couple of weeks ago and noticed about this battery issue, it drains fast despite of disabling the likes of location, reducing the brightness, bluetooth. i informed samsung about it. Before i used it outside with a (-3 temperature since i live in Finland), it was fully charged 100%. I only used it NOT more than 5 minutes for videoing and taking pictures and that's it, i stayed outside for more than an hour. When i checked my battery it was 56% ! I know that cold temperature diminishes the battery performance but not to extent of that emptying the battery in half:
Luukeri said:
Terrible, i updated mine couple of weeks ago and noticed about this battery issue, it drains fast despite of disabling the likes of location, reducing the brightness, bluetooth. i informed samsung about it. Before i used it outside with a (-3 temperature since i live in Finland), it was fully charged 100%. I only used it NOT more than 5 minutes for videoing and taking pictures and that's it, i stayed outside for more than an hour. When i checked my battery it was 56% ! I know that cold temperature diminishes the battery performance but not to extent of that emptying the battery in half:
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After I updated to Oreo I had horrible battery life as well... It one time dropped about 20% when the phone was resting with the screen off in the couch.
I disabled everything bixby related. Force closed, uninstalled updates, and disabled in every way possible.
Now I get decent battery life. I live in Sweden, we have -4°c today, and the phone worked just fine even outside. No significant battery drop.
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After I updated to Oreo I had horrible battery life as well... It one time dropped about 20% when the phone was resting with the screen off in the couch.
I disabled everything bixby related. Force closed, uninstalled updates, and disabled in every way possible.
Now I get decent battery life. I live in Sweden, we have -4°c today, and the phone worked just fine even outside. No significant battery drop.
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Is Android System percentage higher than normal? And what about screen on time on daily usage?
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Is Android System percentage higher than normal? And what about screen on time on daily usage?
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I haven't really measured it. But I got that fix update for the first CRAP update and I'm back to horrible battery life.
Hei,hello,hola,
I'm still struggling with my s8 battery life. Am I missing something to tweak. Can anyone give me more pointers to do. Help is more than appreciated.
Luukeri said:
Hei,hello,hola,
I'm still struggling with my s8 battery life. Am I missing something to tweak. Can anyone give me more pointers to do. Help is more than appreciated.
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you can try flash a custom kernel , are you using stock or custom rom ? which firmware?
I'm using the stock version. I'm not that tech expert to modify it although my phone is at developer version. Anything I can do more?
Thanks for your reply btw.
Ariel